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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsya know what i think judge chutkin should do? she should order
a psyche eval.
ive said many times id rather see him in a mental hospital than jail. we need to have a serious convo in this country about mental health, and how to recognize a madman when u see 1.
subpoena his records from reed. theres mris, evals when he had covid. its everything he needs to plead mental incompetence. i honestly think that is the best possible outcome.
eta- he dies in prison, hes a folk hero. he dies in a facility for the criminally insane, not so much. i hope.
FalloutShelter
(11,938 posts)Just take him off the board.
2naSalit
(87,082 posts)I have had the same scenario playing in the background off and on for a while and I think there's some value to the point of his ultimate demise and remembrance.
I wonder if that is how it plays out for him. I would be okay with it only if all his enablers receive their due.
wnylib
(21,844 posts)All it would take is for 2 or 3 psychiatrists (whatever is required by law) to sign release papers.
Also, any diagnosis or commitment would be appealed.
Captain Zero
(6,887 posts)If they release him. Quite possibly.
No matter what we manage to do he manages to get out of some way or another. The practice of looking the other way is what got us here and it will need to stop. I doubt it will.
Silent Type
(3,101 posts)malaise
(269,482 posts)Rec
LonePirate
(13,456 posts)They were both held in jail without bond before trial for the same crimes he is accused of committing. There's no reason he should be treated any differently.
Some of his cultists will undoubtedly attempt to break him out of jail in that scenario so I am wondering if they will cite the 2A as the reason for their actions.
onenote
(42,911 posts)Despite the fantasy belief of some DUers that he's minutes away from flying off to Saudi Arabia or Moscow or somewhere.
MorbidButterflyTat
(1,889 posts)I wouldn't want to try to predict anything this psycho would or wouldn't do.
Orrex
(63,313 posts)thesquanderer
(12,008 posts)...he does not believe there will actually be real consequences for him. There never has been. If he ever genuinely came to believe that he could be imprisoned, and could actually accept that as a possible reality (which would not be easy for him to believe), then yeah, I could see him skipping.
Nasruddin
(757 posts)Who'd help him? He couldn't easily just pack up & leave.
Where would the money come from? Who'd fly the plane?
The US operates with near impunity *everywhere* in the world with a very few exceptions,
& Mr Trump is a giant security risk (unless the fairy tale that he's suffering
from dementia is true). US gov would never let him go, & the exceptions will
be very tough to get to without aid from people who will face a world of
bad consequences.
thesquanderer
(12,008 posts)I imagine he could find assistance from numerous people in places like Russia and Saudi Arabia. And he has his own airplane, I assume he know how to find pilots.
prodigitalson
(2,490 posts)marble falls
(57,808 posts)mopinko
(70,424 posts)then jack smith should.
onenote
(42,911 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,612 posts)but getting between here and there is convoluted. And imagine the repercussions for the shrinks. Should there be a panel of shrinks? (D), (R), and (I)? Who will decide tie-breakers? Will it include a Rorschach Test? Or just a panel of hundreds of questions loaded with negatives and positives? How many did he disagree with? All of them? Why am I not surprised?
Super-dominant abrasive personalities are everywhere. They're high achievers. How will we ever decide how much is too much?
mopinko
(70,424 posts)he FLUNKED that test. its 5 UNRELATED words. and nobody thinks its hard if they still have a working brain.
no, it wont be complicated.
Grasswire2
(13,579 posts)..but would the results be kept private? Or divulged?
With HIPPA, how would we learn? And who would order him to hospital?
mopinko
(70,424 posts)med records get subpoenaed all the time. they get put in the public record.
no way it could/should be sealed.
getagrip_already
(15,072 posts)She should do whatever it is she is going to do without my opinion, which is worthless to everyone involved, so I'm not going to share it here.
Seriously, what would a psych eval even prove? He couldn't be committed based on it. Not in this environment, and it would never be unsealed regardless for privacy reasons.
And fuck face would scream he passed it with flying colors.
All it could possibly do is give him an excuse for his behavior po ur, which we don't need.
mopinko
(70,424 posts)she can lock him up.
onenote
(42,911 posts)And, no, she can't and won't. First amendment and prior restraints. If he violates a court order, he can face consequences for it. But he can't be locked up for what he might do.
I believe that Trump is a huge threat to global democracy, cultural harmony, environmental protection and nation unity. Even here in Australia I've thought his 'effect' was increasingly obvious in new Conservative Political trickery, increased racism and sexism crime etc. From Trump's behaviour and comments, it seems that he is unable to be self aware enough to not damage his own legal well being in interviews and comments. From what I have read and seen, I've wondered if he went from excess harsh judgmental parenting vulnerabilities to unfettered, unprincipled, undisciplined, self entitlement. With a touch of anger and cruelty. Someone who can talk about nuclear bombing cyclones, poisoning his own country by deregulating air & water protections or putting lead back into petrol, can't possibly be fully functioning. Much of what he wanted to do as president wasn't even in HIS own interest long term!
How anyone can vote him (or the anti-95% citizenship rights/protections GOP) to be their leader(s) is totally incomprehensible to me. Excess money in politics is always a bad idea. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how any judge can order any testing of Trumps cognitive, emotional stability, no matter how obviously it may be needed. Making him a martyr of any kind is not likely the best solution. Voting him out comprehensively is! Its just a shame that your Election systems have gradually been fixed to slant to the right. College voting system, gerrymandering, voter suppression/trickery and obvious unbalanced wealth influences are counter effective to good Elections and Governance. I also think more should be discussed about increasing the public spending of public education. That surely can only help bust through manipulative cult attractions. I think you need more Federal guidelines, not less.
Only way USA can get back to a reasonable 2x policy driven political party system is to help Democrats get a high enough vote (55-60%?) to gain a 60% power vote in the Congress & House. At present, Democrats seem to be the only Political Party that overall care about right and wrong, about citizen rights and protections, about environmental care, about quality public health care and education. and about maintaining a reasonably well balanced fair honest over-arching federal/defense/ judicial/monetary/public & private system.
Cult busting quality Public Education is a good start.
Iv been saying in a few posts you can combat Maga misinformation by using compare and contrast scenarios between states, democracies, political parties (history, statistics, graphs etc). Advance the idea of child future wellbeing. Use slogans that have impact. Simple messages sent everywhere and anywhere but especially sent to where they are needed the most. Show images of a Maga future alongside a Democratic future. Pin that picture to previous Trumpy wishlists such as journalistic restrictions, imprisoning political opposition, polluted water and air systems. extreme inequality, out of control pandemics etc etc. Look at his words, put them into a daily life picture with workers, family & children in that picture. Detail in list form, the history of each political party in relation to crime, corruption, policies etc. Compare and Contrast in simple pictures, graphs, statistics, freedoms etc can make ALL the difference in how people vote and how many people vote.
I thank my & my family's lucky stars that here in Australia, for each Federal and State Election, citizens are compelled to care and vote. Its made very easy, very convenient and the fine if you don't vote is minimal but still a deterrent against apathy and un involvement. We have great public schools, housing, health care and I am not afraid to leave my home due to excess violence or guns. My children have gone from a single parent household to their own businesses and high paying jobs. They have generous time off to manage family and health needs, as well as vital time to recreate and reflect. We have reasonable safety nets so violence and crime are reduced and people feel choices and chances to improve their lot in life. Grassroot upward protections and improvements - always the best way!
RussellCattle
(1,541 posts)bmichaelh
(407 posts)Jack Smith probably will wait until cross-examination.
Trump would then appear like Queeg in the Caine Mutiny: "Ahh, but the strawberries! That's - that's where I had them"
2naSalit
(87,082 posts)Mr. Smith would prefer to do it himself after all this.
Quakerfriend
(5,461 posts)any sort of evaluation.
What would happen if he were to be committed involuntarily??
mopinko
(70,424 posts)w option to keep him for 30 days. like normal ppl who go around talking about hanging ppl.
Quakerfriend
(5,461 posts)How on earth have we allowed their shit show to go on this long?!
tinrobot
(10,929 posts)You gotta have a reason to order stuff like that, the judge would have no basis.
Plus, a judge implying that a defendant is crazy could be enough to overturn the case on appeal.
mopinko
(70,424 posts)tinrobot
(10,929 posts)No psych tests are needed for that.
Nasruddin
(757 posts)"[If] he dies in a facility for the criminally insane" or even if he's placed in one, it might
destroy medical mental health practice in the US, like what is happening to vaccination / mask
wearing & other public health practice. His rabid fans are not the majority, but numerous enough
to create a huge backlash, manipulate a weak both-sidezing press, & generate a lot of
doubt.
I'd much rather he lived out his 120 year life span in ADX Florence.
The believers in his martyrdom, then, can light a candle on his birthday and appeal to the Vatican
for canonization, everybody else will have forgotten.
mopinko
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