Bush Numbers Hit New Low; Dean Tops List of Democratic Presidential Conten

[grytpype]

Bush Numbers Hit New Low; Dean Tops List of Democratic Presidential Contenders, New Zogby America Poll Reveals

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732


Less than half (45%) of the respondents said they rated his job performance good or excellent, while a majority (54%) said it was fair or poor. . . . Today’s results mark the first time a majority of likely voters have given the president an unfavorable job performance rating since he took office.

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A majority (52%) said it’s time for someone new in the White House, while just two in five (40%) said the president deserves to be re-elected. ...

A like number (52%) said the country is heading in the wrong direction, while 40% said it is the right direction.

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BYE BYE JUNIOR!



THAT'S RIGHT, WAVE BYE-BYE! BUHBYE NOW! TAKE CARE! DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN YOUR DUMB ASS ON THE WAY OUT!

[bamademo]

1. Link?

:bounce:

[grytpype]

3. ok, fixed now

[bluestateguy]

2. Source?

Zogby? What poll are we talking about here?

[grytpype]

5. http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732

[AnnabelLee]

4. Link, please?

:hi:

BTW, the media will still say what a "popular wartime president" * is.:eyes:

On edit: Never mind...you've fixed it already.:-)

[opihimoimoi]

10. The Bush is TOAST

All the Kings Men and All the Kings Spinners cannot put Humpty Dumpty together again.

He had one chance, one shot, and he fucking blew it. This puppet don't even know he was set up by the PUB Masters. They get the tax breaks(Big Bucks) the contracts, the poor economy(so they can reap even more profits)....

And Bush gets the Blame.... he is the perect Patsy and he don't even know it, blinded by ego and arrogance

[pippin]

14. interesting thing about polls

According to John Zogby who conducted these polls he personally has
"some disagreements with some of my colleagues about the oversampling of Democrats (simply because they are more likely to respond to polls than Republicans)."

Now if this is the case what do all those polls which have shown us how popular the chimp is really say?!! :think:

http://www.zogby.com/about/article.cfm

[West Coast Democrat]

33. More Americans are Registered Democrat than Repub

so the Zogby polls are more credible, in my opinion. Not all of the Democrats polled are liberal, however.

Meanwhile, polls like Gallup clearly poll a greater number of Republicans.

[David Zephyr]

59. Zogby Has Called Many Elections Against the Pack

and is one of the most reliable pollsters in the country.

This news is really bad for Bush and underlines why he will be addressing the nation tomorrow evening. He's in deep shit.

This news is really the final nail in the coffin for Dean's opponents. Bob Graham has already begun praising Howard Dean. Look others, except Jealous Joe, to begin to follow suit.

[AndyTiedye]

42. I hope so

> oversampling of Democrats (simply because they are more likely to respond to polls than Republicans)."

Hopefully this also will apply to the poll in Nov 2004,
the one that (we hope) counts.

[The Blue Flower]

6. solution: replace the puppet

Just remember that the puppet isn't what's important here. They could replace the puppet with a smarter, more polished puppet and still have the same policies in place. The important thing is to continue to expose the puppet masters.

[grytpype]

11. Exactly. The campaign has to be THROW THE REPUBLICANS OUT!

[bvar22]

7. Get your duct tape and plastic ready.

The last time * numbers were sinking like this.......well, you know.

[JPace]

29. "Get your duct tape and plastic ready."

The AWOL regime has used this tactic
so much that the public is becoming
numb to it.

Another negative for the regime is
that when families lose jobs or are
afraid of losing jobs they can't
think about much else.

Food on the table and a roof over
the head equals survival.......
what color code would that be?

[w4rma]

8. Dean: 16%, Kerry: 13%, Lieberman: 12%, Gephardt: 8%, others: <3%

In the same poll, likely Democratic primary voters give a plurality of their support to former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean (16%), whose campaign has been gathering support in recent polling. He is followed by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry (13%), Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman (12%), and Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt (8%). No other candidate polled more than 3%.

[grytpype]

9. I got laughed at when I said this before...

...but I think there's a good chance Bush will not be the 2004 Repug candidate. If the Repug brains see Bush has a substantial chance of being defeated, they will toss him aside and put in a fresh candidate that does not have Bush's long history of failure and incompetance. I mentioned Rudy Giuliani as the possible new candidate. Laugh if you want, but I think it could happen and we should be prepared for it.

[Khephra]

12. Heck, a lot of us have been saying things that get laughs

I still am saying that Bush is going to leave office with the worst approval rating of any pResident ever. I still think that's likely to happen.

[grytpype]

16. Who's laughing at that?

I don't think that's a joke at all. I've been saying Bush will be the first President to pardon himself before he leaves office (yes, he can do that).

The only laughable suggestion I've heard is that he might be impeached. We sure as shit have a basis for impeachment, but it will never happen with this wingnut-controlled Congress.

Resignation is still a possibility. They might even do the Agnew to Nixon to Ford triple play: Cheney resigns, a more popular Repug takes the VP job (I still say it will be Giuliani), and then Bush resigns. Presto, we now have a popular Repug incumbant to run in the election!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

13. I've thought of that...

but I think it would smack of failure and desperation for the Repubs.

Also the BushGang is known for their remarkable stubbornness. They probably figure they can pull it out.

[grytpype]

17. They are stubborn, but they are also crafty and ruthless.

Nothing is beneath them.

[ILeft]

22. Dubya's a spoiled boy who will NOT exit with grace and dignity

I fear what they will do to take us down with them. The next 18 months might be unpleasant. They still think they can have it all...

[TahitiNut]

61. That wouldn't stop him from being 'martyred'.

:scared:

[Sibanetta]

62. Poppy's Boy Duboobya.

I agree. This guy has never had to deal with the consequences of any of his actions, and he comes from a long line of scheming bastards.
Granpaw Prescott collaborated with the Nazi's, Poppy was hand in glove with Noriega, and Dubooya's best friends live in Saudi Arabia.

There is no trick too low for these guys and their plans for changing this country forever. All of us have to get off our collectives duffs and VOTE, hell, vote twice!

Sibanetta

[saskatoon]

54. Definitely nothing is beneath them

and the money that bastard is pulling in and they will bribe, bribe,bribe and they will get their way by hook or crook and they will fix voting machines and they will kill people and they will threaten people. there is no depth to their depravity.

[Tansy_Gold]

18. The repugs will run Bush.

They will NEVER admit they have made a mistake. To push him aside for someone better would be tantamount to abject confession of their sins. Won't happen.

They might, however, orchestrate a replacement, either through "health reasons," some kind of family emergency, or. .. whatever. But abandon sonny boy? Not gonna happen.

[barbaraann]

23. Actually, I agree with you.

I thought they would turn to Wesley Clark because there are so few decent Republicans they could run, but he turned out to be a Dem. Rudy seems like a good possibility for the nomination but I think they are deluded if they think he could win.

[grytpype]

24. Benito Giuliani has a strong personality cult...

... which is what the Repugs do best. They sure as shit don't run on their (true) policies or record.

[Kahuna]

26. Rudy could never run on "family values..."

Too bad repukes.

[MoonAndSun]

15. What will the media whores do with this information?

will they finally stop saying "this very popular president"? I doubt it.
But the people are finally catching on.

[Snellius]

19. There's still some disturbing news here

Nearly two-thirds (63%) of the likely Democratic primary voters said it is somewhat or very likely that President Bush will be re-elected in November 2004, regardless of how they intend to vote.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732

Despite their dislike of Bu**sh**, most Democrats still have a defeatist attitude or a feeling of powerlessness to take on the powers that be. This is where Rove's "aura of inevitability" strategy still works effectively, by intimidating voters that it's a waste of time to bother to vote. As our president so eloquently put it in Philadelphia on the Fourth of July, "Who cares what you think?"

[grytpype]

21. This will change!

When the Dems see the momentum is in their favor, those numbers will turn right around. This poll will help enormously.

[Beetwasher]

25. Thats probably a lagging number

I could be wrong, but it would make sense to me if that was a lagging indicator and it's not really a very important data point IMO. It takes time for the perceived unpopularity and the true level of his support to catch up to people unless they're paying attention. All they see on TV still is the sycophantic treatment of Bush so of course lot's of people though they don't want him there still think he'll be elected. That number should change...

[Rose Siding]

32. It might be because of 2000

I mean the perception that it doesn't matter if you vote, but I'll count on die hard, American optimists that will vote anyway! Bush will ride out of our WH on a tidal wave.

Dean in '04!

[diplomats]

48. I don't think this is as bad as it looks

saying Bush is somewhat likely to win isn't the same as saying he's very likely to win. Zogby puts these two together.

[grytpype]

20. Did the Big Dog EVER have a +50% disapproval?

Who was the last president to have that honor?

[trapper914]

31. I seem to remember...

...Clinton in the 40's around the time the Universal Health Care plan got defeated. Could be wrong.

[grytpype]

27. When we look back on how the bizarre career of Duhbya Bush ...

... finally came to an end, I think we'll see downfall started right around Bastile Day, when the Sixteen Itty Bitty Words Scandal broke.

Ah, I remember it well... for about three days, no Bush defenders could be found, anywhere, on the Internet fora. Online polls that normally went 80% against Bush were now over 90% against. It didn't last long, but it was pretty sweet.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

28. Don't you mean, "Don't let the door hit your HEAD on the way out"? n/t

JB

[SOS]

30. In 2001

Gore Vidal predicted that Shrub would leave office as the least popular president in history. We're gettin there Gore!

[Triana]

34. It's ABOUT damn time...

...people started to wake up and smell the STENCH coming from the White House! What the f*ck TOOK them so long? WHY THE HELL did they wait until things are THIS bad to notice?

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez! I guess I shouldn't complain but...

[Khephra]

36. I know the feeling

Just like it was popular to join the Bush Personality Cult, there's a big potential for a new "Anti-Bush Personality Cult".

What I mean by this is that some people will always go whatever way the wind is blowing, and as soon as it starts looking like the "smart people" are anti-Bush then there could be a tipping point where people dislike Bush just because everyone else is disliking Bush.

It will suck for all of us people who have held on to our opinions of how horrible Bush has been for the past three + years, but I fully expect to encounter people who I've known to be Pro-Bush to suddenly start telling me that they saw through his lies all along.

But damn, enough complaining--I'm just happy to be in the majority again!

[Beetwasher]

35. Anyone see this reported or mentioned anywhere?

n/t

[Catshrink]

37. My heart sings! This is great news!!

Dumb freaking Whistle-ass is history!

[dusty64]

38. Why does their front page

show chimp "up" 2 points to 54%? http://www.zogby.com/

[Beetwasher]

40. The 54% is negative

n/t

[dusty64]

57. Holy shit, you're

right. My eyes couldn't believe what they were seeing. How are they gonna spin the "very popular president" now?

[Beetwasher]

58. The 54% Negative IS THE STORY

Think about it, that's only 1% not decided and almost a 10 point differential and look how fast it happened. This is FREE FALL. The funny thing (or not so funny thing) is that this is the story and yet in the articles (Yahoo, Reuters) they don't even mention the 54% negative. That's outside the MOE BTW.

[FauxNewsBlues]

39. Lets Get Fired UP!!!

We really need to pound doors, hand out flyers, and register voters.
I have been one of the guilty apathetic ones for too long. I registered 250 democratic voters in 1992 during Clinton's run, I want to double that number. I encourage, emplore, beg, plead for everybody here to get off their asses and do some grunt work.

I am working a table for Dean next Friday at the Farmer's market where I live, and will have a stack of voter registration forms with me. Whomever you support, get out there people, support your candidate, bring some registration forms with you. Bring them to school, put some extra in your backpack, briefcase car to have handy any time you strike a conversation with somebody who isn't registered.

Today I put the Howard Dean sticker on my car, am wearing a button, and I have some flyers in my backpack, let's advertise the democratic alternatives people. These poll numbers reveal at last what we always knew. This emperor is naked, and has feet of clay.

[Julien Sorel]

41. I hate to be a wet blanket, but the election is still 14 months away.

Bush is likely to have 200 million dollars to spend. The Republicans have maintained a remarkably low profile over the past few months, while the Democratic candidates are out there in attack mode. The counterattack hasn't even begun. Let's not count our elections until they're won.

[AndyTiedye]

44. 200 Million Is Just The Beginning

> Bush is likely to have 200 million dollars to spend.

Add FauxNews stumping for him for free 24x7
and lots of other pro-shrub stuff disguised as news on the others,
you can probably multiply that 200 million several times.

Meanwhile small markets dominated by Fox and Clear Channel may
never even see a Democrat on TV.

[grytpype]

43. And have you seen this poll?????

“If George W. Bush runs for reelection in 2004, would you say you will definitely vote for him, might vote for or against him, or will you definitely vote against him?”

Definitely for 25
Might vote for or against 29
Definitely against 41
Not sure 8


Public opinion is turning against Bush in a big, big way.

This is the time to ride the momentum and weaken Bush even further. Pile on. Don't ease up the pressure.


AND - THIS WAS MY 500th POST on DU! I thank you.

[booksenkatz]

46. Help me out

Maybe it's because I'm sleep deprived at the moment, but isn't "might vote for or against" the same thing as "not sure?"
:shrug:

[lancemurdoch]

45. Yahoo

I saw this in the news and came to DU to post it in breaking news but it was here already. A majority of Americans for the first time in his presidency think he's doing a crappy job. Yahoo!

I've never been wild about electoral politics, since I prefer other methods of worker empowerment (like labor organizing). So to me this is the important thing - what people think as opposed to who is in office. Bush may be in office, but the opinion of the people is elsewhere. And that's what matters.

[diplomats]

49. Where did you see this?

I didn't see this on yahoo.

[UrbScotty]

47. Oh no!

Raise the terralert to Orange!

[TiredTexan]

50. With the voting machines

the way they are, are we sure this really matters? The GOP continues to act as those they have no accountability to voters, and ignore public opinion with impugnity.

In spite knowing that job losses are over 3 million, that the middle class and poor are struggling, that there is a widening gap between the rich and the poor, that there are rising numbers of bankruptcies, Bush openly proposed rules to cut overtime (and threatens veto if not approved), privatize government jobs and stop cost of living adjustments for government workers.

After several articles in the NYT and the WP noted that Bush was vulerable on the environment, he changed the rules on emissions of plants to help polluters, refused to regulate CO2, and continues to push for drilling in Alaska.

With Iraq in a horrible mess, and all indications that UN members are against any new resolution without handing all control to the UN, the US offers a resolution keeping control, and then insults Germany, France and Belgiums by calling them "chocolate makers."

I could go on an on about issues where Bush has completely ignored, again and again, the will of the people.

Either Rove is incredibly stupid, or he knows something we don't.

In Alabama, Max Cleveland was 8% points ahead of his Republican opponent the day before the election, but after votes were counted the next day, and after numerous anomolies occurred, the GOP took that seat. In Texas, 3 GOP seats in one county were taken with the same margin of 18,181 votes. In Santa Clara County, there is proof now that the machines were connected to the internet during polling, and checked several times from the outside by the voting company.

If the machines are fixed, it doesn't matter what the polls say, or how we vote. And with no valid exit polling, no paper ballots, no way to ensure that there is no tampering, how can we tell if the American people are cheated again?

That's why I think Bush is so arrogant and can afford to be stubborn. It doesn't matter what Americans think anyway.

They will win one way or the other.

[wryter2000]

51. Put a fork in him

He's done

:bounce:

[Beetwasher]

52. Yahoo Link: Bush Job Approval Falls in TWO US Polls

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030906/pl_nm/bush_polls_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites)'s job approval rating dropped in two polls released on Saturday amid concern about the economy and instability in Iraq (news - web sites).

--snip--

[grytpype]

56. DON'T FORGET TO VOTE THIS A --5--

[Arugula Latte]

53. HALLELUJAH!

Brothers and Sisters, the day we have been waiting for has finally arrived!!

Most of the 'Murkin People may have been slow to catch on, but at least they finally did.

[Beetwasher]

55. Now On The AT&T Worldnett Home Page As a TOP STORY (Reuters version)

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030906&cat=news&st=newsbushpollsdc

[TahitiNut]

60. MISINFORMATION.

"Today’s results mark the first time a majority of likely voters have given the president an unfavorable job performance rating since he took office."

This is NOT true. In Zogby's own poll of 1,006 likely voters July 26-28, 2001, 51% rated Bush* fair/poor on the exact same question. It's important (IMHO) that the psychopatriotic effects of 9-11 be appreciated.

[JCMach1]

63. JEBtm also had similar numbers before his

reelection.

It isn't over by any means...

:(