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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:16 PM
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Bush Job Approval Falls in Two U.S. Polls
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=3034351980483e19

Bush Job Approval Falls in Two U.S. Polls
Sat September 6, 2003 04:36 PM ET





WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush's job approval rating dropped in two polls released on Saturday amid concern about the economy and instability in Iraq.
Bush, who faces a re-election fight in just over a year, saw his rating fell sharply from last month in a Zogby America poll of likely voters. Forty-five percent gave Bush positive marks for job performance in the new survey, down from 52 percent in August and the lowest since January 2001, the month he took office.

In a Time magazine/CNN poll of registered voters, the president's approval slid to 52 percent. The same poll recorded 63 percent approval for Bush back in May.

"The economy clearly is the chief concern," pollster John Zogby said, noting that recent surveys found more people fearful of losing their jobs within the next year.
A Labor Department report Friday showed a weak labor market as initial claims for unemployment aid rose unexpectedly, even as other indicators showed the economy gaining strength.

more...

Well looks like it the Hour of our Discontent! has finally Freakin arrived

Took America long enough :bounce:

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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:22 PM
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1. Never fear! Karl Rove is working in overdrive to change the numbers.
I'm sure the White House has a few dirty tricks up its sleeve. They 'save' them for times like this! Just thought I'd warn ya'!

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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:23 PM
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2. YAY!
I think he is sunk, unless they get away with their voter fraud stuff.

I don't think another terrorist attack or war is going to save his ass either. This war is going so badly, we don't have the resources we need to fight it. If there's another terrorist attack, I think he will get blamed for it.

I guess I'm just optomistic today. I'm feeling good from my sinus medication!

Anyway, I really do think Americans are starting to wake up to the neo con con men danger.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:48 PM
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6. I agree Mel. BTW, love your pics.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:25 AM
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20. They overreached just like they do every time
on every issue. Repukes ALWAYS overreach. ALWAYS.
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:26 PM
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3. no-one seems to be buyng 'the economy is improving'
bullshit because it isn't.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:32 PM
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4. Melsky and fianna your Right on! The Economy is killing him & Iraq
is a DISASTER

:bounce:

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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:35 PM
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5. Low enought to affect fund-raising???
Seriously, how low does it have to go before people stop showing up for these fundraisers? Or will they pay people to go, as a front for deep pockets?

Maybe the dropping numbers will inspire more people to give to Bush? Is there a mirror image of peaking too early? Troughing too early?
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Merusault Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:51 PM
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7. Playing Devil's Advocate.............
I was wondering the same concerning an early and possibly misleading drop off in the polls. I remember hearing that Mondale was beating Reagan in polls taken around this time in 1983. Clinton also looked really bad in the polls near the end of 1995.

But neither Reagan nor Clinton had a foreign occupation claiming American lives almost every day. Besides, Bushy isn't nearly as attractive a candidate to the general public as either of those two guys were. When I start hearing about the "Bush Democrats," then I'll start losing hope, but it looks like it's not going to be easy for him next year.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:59 PM
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10. Clinton and Reagan both benefited from an improving economy
the years they won reelection. That could happen here but I'm not so sure the job market will improve by November 2004.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:19 PM
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15. Even if the economy does improve
It has a real long way to go to make up for the almost 3 million jobs lost.

I remember once seeing an interview with Carter where he said that his advisors wanted him to time the economic expansion with his reelection campaign, but he didn't want to wait because that meant people suffering needlessly. Every president since then has done their damndest to have it in full swing by the nominating convention. The danger is if it drags its feet, like it did for Bush I. Bush II might get smeared with the same brush. That is, even if the economy does come around it might look like too little too late. Just like his father.

That to me would be the best. If the economy comes around and he still loses. I'm always hoping for good economic news, but it makes me ill to think of it helping him. And it's not in me to hope for bad news.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:27 AM
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21. But does it really matter at all
with Microsoft Access changing vote totals with wireless remote on the Diebold electronic voting machines ? If we don't fix that one issue alone nothing matters from this point on.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:19 PM
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24. Hi Merusault!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:56 PM
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8. The Dems ought to start shaking down the GOP contributors
Drug companies, oil companies, developers would be wise to start giving to the Democrats because they don't want to be out of favor if there is a change in the government. There are nine presidential candidates, that ought to suck up a lot of their money.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:58 PM
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9. I think the Money is Payoffs to Bush! But its Not Votes
and I know some Republicans who are breaking ranks with Bush mainly because of the Deficits and Economy!

:bounce:

did ya notice in the background of his speech it had Jobs Jobs Jobs
cards in the background

Unemployment is Killing him!
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:20 PM
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11. Notice how the actual ...
poll number is written out (Forty-five percent), and all of the previous numbers are not (52, 52, 63). You really have to read it to pry out the bad news.

If you read the headline, and skim the article for the numbers you might wrongly believe it is 52 or 63.

Damned LIEberal media.

Cheers
Drifter
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:04 PM
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12. Corporate media strikes again
Gore has shared their frustration. In an interview last December with the New York Observer, he described the conservative outlets as a "fifth column" within the media ranks that injects "daily Republican talking points into the definition of what's objective."

"The media is kind of weird these days on politics, and there are some major institutional voices that are, truthfully speaking, part and parcel of the Republican Party," Gore said. "Fox News Network, The Washington Times , Rush Limbaugh — there’s a bunch of them, and some of them are financed by wealthy ultra-conservative billionaires who make political deals with Republican administrations and the rest of the media."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,459345,00.html
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6665

The Internet might soon be the last place where open dialogue occurs. One of the most dangerous things that has happened in the past few years is the deregulation of media ownership rules that began in 1996. Michael Powell and the Bush FCC are continuing that assault today (see the June 2nd ruling).

The danger of relaxing media ownership rules became clear to me when I saw what happened with the Dixie Chicks. But there’s an even bigger danger in the future, on the Internet. The FCC recently ruled that cable and phone based broadband providers be classified as information rather than telecommunications services. This is the first step in a process that could allow Internet providers to arbitrarily limit the content that users can access. The phone and cable industries could have the power to discriminate against content that they don’t control or-- even worse-- simply don’t like.

The media conglomerates now dominate almost half of the markets around the country, meaning Americans get less independent and frequently less dependable news, views and information. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson spoke of the fear that economic power would one day try to seize political power. No consolidated economic power has more opportunity to do this than the consolidated power of media

Posted by Howard Dean at 06:31 PM
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000683.html

Why Isn't Randi Rhodes Syndicated? The Dilemma of a Liberal Talk Show Host.

RHODES: Oh, I am so glad you asked. I am a ratings and revenue queen. Number 1 or 2 in the ratings usually. So what are the "mainstream" talking about? Well, they say Liberals don't make money because no one wants to hear them. Okay, let's think.

First, remember that more Americans are registered or identify themselves as Democrats than Republicans. So here's the dirty little secret of news talk. There are advertisers making huge "buys" on really low rated shows that air nationally. If advertisers only go where the listeners are why do they buy cable news, Oliver North, or Rush Limbaugh who has horrible ratings?

They are buying CONTROL of CONTENT. It's leverage, whether it's radio, cable or network. They control millions of dollars of any company's revenue source. So that if something is said or done to disrupt their global business, they take their advertising elsewhere, or threaten to and then shut down the message.

And, think about this . . . how many products are on TV that you can't even buy? Plastics, computer chips, prescription drugs, soybeans. I mean honestly. This is the story that NEVER gets told. People just think, "Well, if your good enough, you'll have a big audience and that's what advertisers want." "Whose being naïve now Kaye?" I am always number one or two in the market. Rush is somewhere around 21st. I replaced G. Gordon Liddy!

I hope this gets told over and over because it is how they control our news, our Information Awareness. Get it?

BUZZFLASH: Explain the allegations that Rush Limbaugh has stated, that if Clear Channel syndicated your show, he would take his program to another company. Could there be a Democratic or Progressive Rush Limbaugh type personality on the airwaves?

RHODES: Not at Clear Channel.

First, let me tell you where the story came from. I had two meetings with middle managers who both liked me and what I had done for our 'pod'. (At Clear Channel the territories are split up into 'pods'.) In two separate meetings I was told "The Rush story." Additionally, I should never expect to be syndicated by Clear Channel because Rush had said he'd just do what advertisers do. He'd go somewhere else. I was an unknown, he was a known.

I begged for and got (6 months later) a meeting with a senior manager. He told me the "Rush story." So that's where it comes from. Now, when Oliver North was on the air, he stated that Rush was syndicated because Rush was a better talent and got better ratings. (This is insulting because of the fatness of the lie) . . . I then told him that Rush had threatened to take his show elsewhere if I were to be syndicated by Clear Channel. He said "I've heard that but I can't comment." So everyone does seem to know "The Rush Story." (North and Rush are friends).

Control the Content . . . we have business that cannot be disturbed by a questioning public.
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/01/03_Rhodes.html

Meanwhile, the Web site www.allyourtv.com posted a commentary on Wednesday by Rick Ellis saying that he had been leaked an internal NBC study that described Donahue as "a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace."

The report allegedly said Donahue presented a difficult face for NBC at a time of war, saying a nightmare scenario would be one in which his show becomes "a home for the liberal anti-war agenda at the same time our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/5263274.htm

While "Donahue" does badly trail both O'Reilly and CNN's Connie Chung in the ratings, those numbers have improved in recent weeks. So much so that the program is the top-rated show on MSNBC, beating even the highly promoted "Hardball With Chris Matthews."

Although Donahue didn't know it at the time, his fate was sealed a number of weeks ago after NBC News executives received the results of a study commissioned to provide guidance on the future of the news channel.

That report--shared with me by an NBC news insider--gives an excruciatingly painful assessment of the channel and its programming. Some of recommendations, such as dropping the "America's News Channel," have already been implemented. But the harshest criticism was leveled at Donahue, whom the authors of the study described as "a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace."
http://www.allyourtv.com/0203season/news/02252003donahue.html

NOW In Depth - Massive Media PBS
Solid Ratings Don't Protect Progressive Radio Voices
What's Wrong With This Picture?
Podvin on the Media 1-31-02
Harper's editor laments rise of corporate news purveyors
Commentary: The Surrender Of MSNBC
The Wayward Media

HUSTLER: What has happened to the the news media in this country?

PALAST: I vomit every time I see Tom Brokaw.

HUSTLER: And Dan Rather-

PALAST: I feel sick at heart when I see Rather, because he's actually a journalist. He came on my program, Newsnight and said, "I can't report the news. I'm not allowed to ask questions. We're gonna send our children and our husbands into the desert now, and I can't ask a question, because I will be lynched." This is what Rather said in London. He looked defeated and awful, and I was thinking, Why am I feeling sorry for this guy who is worth millions? He should turn to the camera and say, "Well, now for the truth. Over to you, Greg, in London." The problem is that he can't report the story of the intelligence agents who are told not to look at the Bin Laden family, not to look at Saudi funding of terror.

HUSTLER: What makes Rather afraid to do his job?

PALAST: It's not just that there are brutal shepherds like Rupert Murdoch out there to beat the dickens out of any reporter that asks the wrong questions; it's all about making news on the cheap. You know, for some of these editors, cheap and easy is a philosophy of life. To do a heavy-duty story on Bush, and his oil and Bush and his gold-mining company is beyond them. A little bit of the Harken stock scandal came out, but that story was already seven years old. To some extent they know that there are certain things you cannot say. Rather says he would be necklaced for telling the truth.

HUSTLER: He said that? What did he mean?

PALAST: In South Africa, under apartheid, if someone didn't like you, they put a burning tire around your neck. That was called "necklacing." On my show, Rather said, "If I ask any questions, I'll be necklaced." And I'm thinking, Oh, that's a good image. It's sad, but if Dan Rather doesn't have the cajones to ask a question, then you name a reporter who's gonna step out and ask about what's going on. It's not that the corporate guys say, "Don't run that story," although that has happened to me many times in North American media, but also the shepherds pick the lambs who won't ask the questions. For example, there was a reporter, some poor producer, who wanted to run a story about how Jack Welch had lied about polluting the Hudson River. The story didn't run. Shockeroo. That was for Dateline NBC, owned by General Electric, of which Jack Welch was the chairman of the board. Or as in the case of Venezuela, I was stunned to come back from Caracas to find a picture on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle of 100,000 people marching against the president of Venezuela. Sounds like he's a terrible guy and people hate him. What they didn't say was that half a million people were marching for him. At least the Soviet Russians knew that the stuff in Pravda was coming out the wrong end of a toilet, whereas, we live under the pretense that The New York Times prints all the news that's fit to print.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=181&row=1


Robins was talking serious politics on a morning chat show - and clearly hackles went up. By 8:24 Robins was explaining "We're fighting for freedom for the Iraqi people right now so that they can have freedom of speech, yet we're telling our own citizens they have to be quiet"

Lauer could have called it quits there -but he went on "When you see pictures of Iraqi's dancing and celebrating -does it change your mind?" "No" Said Robbins - "I'm ecstatic that they feel this freedom, I hope we have the resolve to get in there and make it work."

It was at this point that something happened that has perhaps never happened before in the history of morning television.

The music swelled under Robbins... Mid-sentence answering a question that had been asked just 10 seconds earlier... "We have a terrible track record" said Robbins, clearly not able to hear that music was coming up to literally 'play him off the stage'.

The camera cut to a wide shot. Lauer was leaning in and very much in conversation. Either Lauer was ignoring what must have been the deluge of invectives in his earpiece, or he just determined that he wasn't finished with this line of questioning.

But the music ended. The bumper music ended and the studio was in the two shot as Robbins said..."It's for some reason not in our best interest to keep it going and pursue it to the next level." Lauer nodded, and the camera faded to black as Robbins - mid sentence - had his microphone turned down.

A conversation about free speech. An anchor asking reasonable questions. A guest responding in equally reasonable tones. No attempt to close out the discussion - to say "Well thank you Tim". This was not a filibuster. Robbins was not hogging the spotlight.

Someone in the control room simply decided that it was time to pull the plug. And without grace or ceremony, or even the face saving of letting Lauer say "We're out of time" as morning shows do on so many occasions.

A conversation about free speech and free expression was cut off mid sentence as the network went to black.

Television history was made, as million of Americans got to watch in real time just how powerful and inescapable censorship can be. Robbins wasn't revealing troop locations, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Remember the war has been won - by all accounts. He was discussing freedom, free speech, and why his appearance has been canceled at the Baseball Hall of Fame. NBC should invite him back and let him finish his thought - or admit at least who was on the phone to master control demanding that they pull the plug.
http://www.rense.com/general37/dark.htm

Tampa cable won't air ad criticizing Bush tax cut

TAMPA - (AP) -- A TV commercial critical of President Bush's tax plan won't air in Tampa after the city's major cable provider expressed concerns about the script.

The commercial was produced for MoveOn.org, an online political activist group, and was slated to air about 10 times a day this week on cable systems in 23 cities, said Lanicia Shaw, executive assistant for Zimmerman and Markman, a Santa Monica, Calif., advertising agency handling the commercial.

The ad is a reenactment of an event in Eugene, Ore., a month ago in which 50 parents lined up outside a clinic to sell their blood plasma to help pay a teacher's salary.

''George Bush's tax cuts for the rich have meant less money for education,'' the commercial contends.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/5862591.htm

3. How important is "truth" in mass media reporting compared to ratings?
The media doesn't care about outing the real stories - nor about ratings. The truth GETS ratings - but it doesn't win friends in high places. We got more information about the war in Vietnam through "MASH" and "Star Trek" allegories than on CBS news.
The corporate owners of the networks will make a killing on their stealing the digital spectrum, given away for nothing by the Telecommunications Act. (For details, see my website www.GregPalast.com) They are willing to give up ratings points by serving up snooze-news with Tom Brokaw rather than gain audience share but lose their tickets to White House dinners.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=145&row=1

Wall Street Journal:
War Produces Rift in Media Between U.S., Other Nations
...British television reporter Geoff Meade asked the officer what he would say to Iraqis and other Muslims who might welcome such images. Some U.S. reporters looked stunned at the aggressiveness of the question. A hush fell on the room. The general eyed him coldly and parried the query. Afterward, says Mr. Meade, a veteran correspondent with Sky News, a service of British Sky Broadcasting Group PLC, "Somebody joked to me that I'd find myself at the back of the room along with the French and the Germans."

"We believe people need to see the truth, and there's no need to make the truth cosmetic because it's not pretty," says Nawal Assad, a producer at al-Jazeera's London office.

...callers on Italian talk shows criticized as censorship the U.S. government's request to U.S. networks to refrain from showing the images. In Germany, the press has engaged in lengthy dissections of U.S. news organizations, often concluding that the U.S. media has gone through "Gleichschaltung," an ominous word used to describe how the Nazis took over key public institutions, including the media (rough translation: "bringing into line").
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB104854123024458400-email,00.html
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:04 PM
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13. Good catch. I always skip to the numbers in these articles
They can't get themselves to print 45.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:07 PM
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14. why this time is different...
...was explained on CNBC this morning. As the economy recovers, jobs ARE being added. The trouble is, they are being added in India and China and other offshore places. Jobs in the U.S. continue to disappear even though the economy shows a little life.

This is not fixable before the election.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:32 PM
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16. Maybe he'll bring in his CEO buddies and pressure them
to hire US workers and not outsource, at least until after the election. Let's be honest: he needs jobs numbers to go up more than he needs contributions.

I can see it now: a big round-table discussion with all the heads of industries (or at least those not currently under investigation). Within weeks, the job numbers come out and there is a surprising jump. He'll trumpet it as something he did.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:37 AM
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19. That Will Not Happen, Sir
The money given in contributions is pocket-change for those who give it. Hiring workers would cost them some portion of the bloated incomes they wring out of their enterprises, and besides, would be against their moral principles: action to benefit anyone but themselves and their kind, these reptiles regard as a moral failing, rather as the old Romans looked on mercy.
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EFF BrandyWine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:46 PM
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33. Ah, Magistrate, sir...
As always you are articulate and hit the nail on the head. Actually they are more sharks than reptiles but may I also add that the declining poll numbers are the real reason for tonight's speech? My lowly opinion of course, but even some of his staunchest backers are beginning to take a step back from the resident.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:47 PM
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18. That's just AP style
No grand conspiracy here, at least this time.

From the AP Stylebook: Spell out a numeral at the beginning of a sentence. If necessary, recast the sentence. There is one exception -- a numeral that identifies a calendar year.

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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:08 PM
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35. Except this is Reuters
:)
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:38 AM
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22. Excellent point!
There seems to be a lot of PsyOps going on in our own media.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:41 PM
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17. Republicans don't get Depressions! Coolidge & Hoover
All they get into is GREED!

They just can't get it through their heads that its the Worker who is running this economy

and its not the MacDonald's and Wendy's worker either

High paying jobs makes America the place to be.

Get ready the Depression is Here! Its been going on ever since the stock Market crumbled!
We are seeing History repeat itself but worse
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:05 AM
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23. The corporate propaganda projection
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 07:10 AM by teryang
...for the mass mind only works so long as it enables the core social survival functions of the individuals affected. The purpose of propaganda archetypes is to relieve the mass mind of cognition functions not essential to the daily activities of living.

When economic reality interferes subtantially or catastophically with the daily activities of living, those misrepresentations in the projection are subjected to critical analysis for the first time by individuals affected say by: business failures; job losses and unemployment; grave illnesses with no access to health care; unaffordable increases in the cost of housing, goods and services; bankruptcy; imminent retirement with little or no savings or pension to speak of; inability to adequately provide for or educate children; mobilization to risk life and family fortune for a war and a government whose legitimacy and motive are questioned; etc., etc.

The propaganda projection is then perceived as only a fraud; some other more substantial scheme by the powers that be will have to be resorted to in order to stop the dialectic. The message or symbol will no longer suffice- something must happen or those whose lives are interupted will act to create change. We have war, "Pearl Harbor" like events, anthrax, electoral fraud and perhaps some new tactics in the bag of political dirty tricks.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:35 PM
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25. PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!.....Printed as "Forty-five" instead of 45%??????????
What the hell is going on with Reuters????????????

This is blatant propaganda!!!!!!

They just want you all to see the 52% not the 45%!!!!!

UNBELIEVABLE HORSE SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:39 PM
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26. GOForIT Right On you saw it too!
Ya they right fortyfive not 45% it must have flamed their computers to type 45!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce:
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:46 PM
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28. Since DU conspiracy theories die SO hard
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 05:47 PM by DrBB
As http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=100762&mesg_id=100909&page=">Newsjock points out: this treatment is DICTATED BY THE AP STYLEBOOK (we do know what a stylebook is, yes?). It is NOT EDITORIAL, except in the narrowest, copy-editing sense.

There are plenty of real reasons to accuse the media of r-wing bias. This ISN'T ONE OF THEM.

Sorry to shout, but geez, pay a little attention to what's already in the thread and, y'know, reality every once in a while.
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btsom Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:40 PM
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27. Big F-ing deal!
it's over a year before the election. Big freakin' whoopteedo! Remember, people. Bush-41 had approval over 90% one year before he went down in flames. Show me some poll numbers like this in 12 months... THEN I'll be happy.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:42 PM
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29. Three polls and counting: CBS is at 46% favorability.
OK, the shrub luster's gone. Now we have to convince 'em we can do better.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:02 PM
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30. I bet Bush's Polls go down to forty percent after this Speech
I must be stylish! HA HA HA!! :bounce:
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:34 PM
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31. This is friggin AWESOME - we've waited two years for this !!!
"Today’s results mark the first time a majority of likely voters have given the president an unfavorable job performance rating since he took office"

We've been waiting since 9/12/01 for numbers to get back to where they started. DU'ers should be estatic. Keep up the good work - spread the word: Bush is no good for America.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:41 PM
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32. 52% someone new 40% Bush re-elect if election held today!

Released: September 06, 2003
Bush Numbers Hit New Low; Dean Tops List of Democratic Presidential Contenders, New Zogby America Poll Reveals



President George W. Bush’s job performance ratings have reached the lowest point since his pre-Inauguration days, continuing a steady decline since a post-9/11 peak, according to a new Zogby America poll of 1,013 likely voters conducted September 3-5.

Less than half (45%) of the respondents said they rated his job performance good or excellent, while a majority (54%) said it was fair or poor. In August Zogby International polling, his rating was 52% positive, 48% negative. Today’s results mark the first time a majority of likely voters have given the president an unfavorable job performance rating since he took office.

Bush Job Performance
Positive %
Negative %

September 2003
45
54

August 2003
52
48

July 2003
53
46

March 2003
54
45

September 2002
64
36

September 2001
82
17

August 2001
50
49

January 2001
42
36
from Zogby:

"A majority (52%) said it’s time for someone new in the White House, while just two in five (40%) said the president deserves to be re-elected. Last month, 45% said re-election was in order, and 48% said it was time for someone new.

A like number (52%) said the country is heading in the wrong direction, while 40% said it is the right direction.

Overall opinion of President Bush has also slipped to 54% favorable – 45% unfavorable, compared to August polling which indicated 58% favorable, 40% unfavorable.

Just two in five (40%) said they would choose Bush if the election were held today, while 47% said they would elect a Democratic candidate. In August polling, respondents were split (43% each) over President Bush or any Democratic challenger."

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:02 PM
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34. Awesome Article ElBay Your right it is Awesome News
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