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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:01 PM
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A Blunt Bow to Postwar Realities (Wash Post)
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In abandoning his go-it-alone approach, however, the president did not give significant ground to allies who had opposed him at the time of the war and who want reassurances about greater political and
economic influence in Iraq if they participate. His call for United Nations involvement was stated in declarative, not conciliatory, language. Members of the United Nations, he said, have "the
responsibility" to help, he said.

Events forced Bush's hand. Two massive suicide bombings and other attacks in the past month underscored the ability of terrorists and Baathist forces to wreak havoc in Iraq despite the presence of
130,000 U.S. and roughly 20,000 international troops and increased the pressure on the administration to seek help through the United Nations. The slow pace and mounting costs of reconstruction
fueled talk from Bush's critics that he was getting the country into a new quagmire.

The absence of any evidence of weapons of mass destruction has also been a continuing problem for the administration, whose credibility about the rationale for going to war has been challenged
repeatedly. Bush made no mention of the progress in finding those weapons or evidence of weapons programs last night.

But it was more than events in Iraq. Bush was also driven to respond to the message that members of Congress carried back to Washington from their August recess. Not only Democrats but many
Republicans returned with a warning to the White House: Tell Americans the truth about what is happening in Iraq and show there is a policy to deal with it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40228-2003Sep7.html
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femmecahors Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:05 PM
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1. Someone tell me what Bush looked like . . .
when giving his "speech." I'm sitting in a chocolate making country without air-conditioning or television or DSL so I didn't get to see him.

But in the photo on Yahoo he looks ghastly . . . has he lost his swagger? Did he seem cocky or humble? Please tell me.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:12 PM
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2. He had that "deer in the headlights" look on his face. I think he knows
it's time to update his resume.
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femmecahors Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:19 PM
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3. Good! Thank-you n/t
. . .
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:23 PM
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4. His handlers did not even attempt to make him look good
There were no rosy cheeks.

No healthy sheen to his hair or skin.

The camera was further away than usual.

They had him surrounded by YELLOW instead of BLUE. Blue is a color of security and confidence. Yellow creates a more antagonistic tone. (It has been shown that most fights between husbands and wives start in the kitchen; most kitchens use yellow liberally. Something to think about).

Remember his talks to the nation on 9/11 (when he came out of hiding) and then when he announced the iraq invasion? Both were from the Oval Office. This speech was in a general room in the White House (not sure which one).

The camera angles made him look shorter than he is.

It is almost as if his handlers want him to take a fall; as if it is part of the plan.

And apparently the whore media does not feel too constrained with their criticisms.

Not one spin doctor played on network news on ABC and CBS before or after the speech. Just an announcement that Bush was going to speak; and afterwards, Rather just said "stay tuned for whatever might be next on TV in your area. Good night." I think Jennings did the same thing.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:07 AM
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12. NBC did some analysis according to Tom Shales - Biden was a DINO
Though the speech ended at 8:49 (with "Thank you and may God continue to bless America"), NBC News stayed on the air until 9 with trenchant analysis of the president's words and their importance -- Tim Russert calling Bush's remarks "extremely significant."...

Russert's analysis was not namby-pamby, as TV commentators' sometimes are. He said that despite Bush's call for international cooperation on Iraq, it remains "America's war and George Bush's war," and said that even under Bush's plan, there will be three times as many American troops as international troops in Iraq attempting to keep the peace.

Anchor Tom Brokaw also interviewed Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) of the Foreign Relations Committee, who gave the president a rave review, calling the speech "an incredible first step" in implementing a new strategy. Bush had "made a real U-turn here," Biden said, rejecting the counsel of his "neo-con" hard-line advisers and instead adopting a course of action recommended by Secretary of State Colin Powell.

"It took a big man to do that, and I plan to support him," Biden said. He also said of Iraq, in a much more persuasive tone than Bush had mustered, "We must win this."

Only moments later, Biden bounced up on CNN during its post-speech analysis, reacting to anchor Paula Zahn's observation that the speech contained no references to that elusive search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Biden said it didn't matter, that American involvement had gone beyond that. "We have to secure Iraq for our safety's sake," Biden said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40242-2003Sep7.html

Myself I had switched over to Hardball's analysis on MSNBC. They didn't seem to impressed except for whore Howard Fineman and even he was restrained.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:31 PM
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5. He looked as though he was trying to keep his head above water.
Sort of craning his neck.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:57 PM
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6. Good analogy. He also looked like he was 2 sizes too small for his suit.
He looked uncomfortable. He looked wooden - I even asked my husband if he thought bush looked sedated. Those furrows in his brow are getting deeper. He had this concerned look that seemed a little too pleading. His body and body language both look as though he's in over his head. He read without any real feeling. Just a few wan half-smiles toward the end, citing some unnamed captain (unnamed, 'eh - I wonder if he made it up) writing from the 3rd infantry or some such (3rd something, I remember) blathering on about our courageous magnificent duty and how we're proud to be fighting for freedom over there. I turned to my husband and replied that this is not remotely like what I've read in the emails and other messages home from many privates, sergeants, and captains. Wondered where he was getting it (or if he made it up).

There was NO swagger. No smugness. No "mission accomplished." No wad of stuffing in the crotch. His suit looked like it didn't fit him. His neck looked scrawny. And his uncomfortable overall demeanor indicated he didn't want to be there, didn't want to have his widdle self bothered by any of this, and really just wanted it all to go away so we could all admire his emperor's new clothes and his golf swing.
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 12:06 AM
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7. He looked completely lifeless and as if keeping up with the
teleprompter was a difficult enough task by itself.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:08 AM
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9. his face was totally blank nearly the whole time...
...and there was no sign of life or passion. None of the usual mannerisms. He might as well have been reading the late night agricultural report from Hog Yaller Redstate.

I wondered if it had been pre-taped, but decided no when I heard him make a couple of stumbles.

People who watched on c-span said that after the speech ended he sat for about fifteen seconds with the same blank face.
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ichiro99 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:37 AM
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15. Behind the shrub's dreaminess ...
a richguy's faith in all the up-sides to dad's current project. ForeverWar as crucible for manufacturing obedient sociopaths, post-apocalypse employees to bought bureaucrats and shadowgovernment criminals. Yesmen footsoldiers of tomorrow, up to dealing with moscowmob, yaks etc. Now in training: immersed in amphetamine, homicide, biblestudies, friends picked off, limbs sliced away any moment. Like Quake 3 -- but lots more madness.

Outcome: a generation of useful nuts and badcop cowboys. Future doctor-killers, prison guards, heads of school boards. Tough players for employ in the neocons' culturewars. Centurian Nation replenishing, toughening-up the proles -- see 'Great Depression,' 'Pearl Harbor.' Living-room normalisation of workplace mutilation, gang rape, smoking city-scenes. Welcome to the New Order.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:07 AM
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8. Sorry, dad can't help you this time
I get the feeling Bush has never had to live with the consequence of his actions. If George got in trouble, Dad was always there to bail him out. Money probably took care of most problems, and the family name and prestige took care of the rest.

So for once in his life, he's stuck with this morass that just keeps getting worse and worse. We're in this together. I can visualize him waking up at 3:00 am, looking up at the ceiling and thinking, "shit, what a mess. Is there any way I can get out of this?"

So for once in his life, he has to go down that long dusty road by himself. Whereas before, he created disasters but actually came out On Top! before sinking his 3 companies, plus a baseball team.

This is one time where he can't bail out.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:29 AM
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10. You're right...he'll fail this test, for sure.
A career of fixes, sweatheart deals, and lazy arrogance expose him as a person of no real character, substance, or ability to accept responsibility....I'm sure he'll try to blame someone else, it's a pathological response for him.

Once Dimson and his PNAC'cle buddies realized that they can't protect the oil infrastructure, it was time to sluff off responsibility on the UN....nice try George, no sale.

May you eventually rot in a cell for starting this war.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:47 AM
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11. "May you eventually rot in a cell for starting this war."
Nothing to add.
I just wanted to savor the thought.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:29 AM
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13. I think he looks constipated.
That weird wrinkling of his brow no matter what he is saying reminds me of a little kid trying to go to the bathroom.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:39 AM
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14. Notice how the lack of WMD's isn't a problem *for the media*?
You'd think they should be slightly worried, what with them whoring the WMD line non-stop, with virtually no critically commentary. But oh no...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:48 AM
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16. But.. but.. we have the 48 countries of the "Coalition of the Willing"
With that many countries giving us 100% full support why do we need the UN? Why can't Bulgaria put in their Ranger Division and Pango Pango could give Naval support. :crazy:
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