Schwarzenegger Trails Democrat in Latest Poll

[Khephra]

Schwarzenegger Trails Democrat in Latest Poll
By REUTERS


Filed at 6:14 a.m. ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Arnold Schwarzenegger would narrowly lose to Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante if Californians were to vote today in the special recall election to be held in a month's time, a poll released on Tuesday found.

The Field Poll of 505 likely voters also found that 55 percent favored the removal of Democrat Gov. Gray Davis, who is unpopular over the state's finances and could become only the second governor recalled in U.S. history on Oct. 7.

Although recent polls have suggested a majority want to dump Davis, the latest Field results showed Schwarzenegger lagging, partially because of growing support for a more conservative Republican alternative, Tom McClintock.

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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-politics-california-poll.html

[0007]

1. Thanks for bringing a little good news

this depressing fucking fucked up morning.

[Democat]

2. Gray Davis is unpopular because of a U.S. media hostile to Democrats

If it was about the economy then Bush would be a lot less popular than Davis.

The problem is that the media likes to attack Democrats and loves defend Republicans.

[Mountainman]

3. I agree with your statement

The only press Davis gets is negative propaganda. You can turn on any drive time radio station and hear the dump Davis rant any day. I call it propaganda because there never is an opposing view.

People were use to hearing both sides to a story now all they here is the rethug propaganda. Most still think we are still in the fair and balanced news days and don't recognize the change that has happened.

But even for all the negetive anti Dem crap on the radio and TV, the right still can't win an election in most of California because real life trumps propaganda every time. Some people hear the bull shit buy it because it fits their preconcieved view of things and others hear it and compare it to what they see in their lives and it doesn't compute.

The rethugs say the way to deal with the bad economy is to pile on the misery and suffering to those who are on the lowest economic rung and those people are mostly Dems. You just can't tell them it is all Davis's fault that things are bad then in the next breath tell them that they haven't suffered enough yet. You have to tell them that you are going to find a way to make life better for all classes not just the well off.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. If Davis wins and defeats recall

it will be soooooooooo cool. Repubs will be shamed to no end. (at least they should be)

[Hawkeye-X]

12. If Davis defeats the recall, and he will

it will send a clear message to the GOP and the GOP-controlled media -- time to change stripes. The media will then begin an out and out attack on GOP and *, and praising the Dems. That's a pipe dream, but if the media finally fucking wakes up and realize that the GOP is nothing but useless trash, then it's the best way to go.

Hawkeye-X

[Ernesto]

16. Yes HawkeyeX

This might be a pipe dream but give me another hit. It works for me.

[rocktivity]

24. Excellent Point, Hawkeye

The CA recall coverage I've seen is All Arnold All The Time. Everyone else is an aberration providing nothing but comic relief. Over the weekend, I an MSNBC anchor baldly state that the polls indicated that Arnold would win. To my knowlege, only ONE poll has Arnold ahead!

But in case anybody missed it, the 54% pro-recall rate is down from the sixites. With four weeks to go, Gray literally has a better than even chance of staying on.


rocknation

[nolabels]

25. So many people are clueless about what corporate mass media....

does to their head. A lot of ordinary everyday people are dealing with this, wishing it would go away. It will not, the Repukes :puke: always try to break people down instead of helping them. I am getting rather outraged and ticked off myself.

I hope a whole lot of people stand up and tell them and their racist buddy Arnie to go jump in the lake, cool out, rethink their extremist position and come back with logic instead of propaganda

[DemVet]

26. I don't...

I think Davis is getting the bad ink because his own Lt. Governor is running against him. Yeah, phrase it anyway you want, but Bustamante IS trying to overthrow Davis. It's that simple. Davis would stand a much better chance of defeating the recall if no Dems were running.

[nolabels]

27. Let me guess, Bustamante set the whole thing up.

Maybe he needs a makeover, he could come out looking like a Euro and tell everybody that he can read, write English and takes out as much from the state government as much as he gets. (remember it works both ways).

I am very against the recall, but I think you might be blaming the wrong people for putting it together. What would be better, no widely know Dem running, so we get a Republican :puke: in from a split vote?

Btw I think it is good thing that Bustamante speaks both Spanish and English languages, even though I can’t, can you?

on edit a little clarification on languages

[FubarFly]

4. So McClintock drops out at the last minute...

Arnie picks up the support and wins the recall.

As Governor, Arnie will miraculously deliver CA from it's budget woes- with the aid of his good buddies in the suddenly generous Federal gov't.

2004 rolls around and a grateful CA will hand b*sh a close,Diebold enhanced, victory in CA.

And the tutu doffed Dems will shrug and claim they gave it their best shot.


:grr:


The fix is in. If we play by rethug rules, we'll lose every time.

It is inconceivable to think that the Democratic leadership still doesn't get this. The Dems had better be prepared to counter this travesty of democracy.

But who am I kidding- with Terry McAuliffe in charge, we'd have a better chance of winning if CA detached itself from the continental USA, and cannonballed into the Pacific Ocean.


:argh:

[Democat]

5. The Democrats in California are fighting

This is not over yet and Democrats are already ahead.

Expect anything serious they have on Arnold to be held until it's too late to undo the damage.

Also, if McClintock drops out, that could kill the recall because a certain percentage of his supporters would never vote for Arnold. If that percentage is greater than 5%, then that alone could cause the recall to fail.

[FubarFly]

7. The fact that it's come this far is discouraging..

I know that there are good people fighting this in Ca. I'm proud of them and I hope they succeed. But something tells me the dirty tricks haven't really started yet. There is too much being left to to chance for me to feel confident about this. The other shoe seems poised to drop, and when it does, I fear the effects will be devastating. I would be much happier if I knew that every non-traditonal avenue of victory was being explored. Relying solely on winning a straight-up, fair fight against a demonstrably corrupt opponent is IMHO, foolish.

I want Arnold to know in advance, that if he wins he will be recalled the moment he takes office, so that we can end this farce and change the recall laws into something resembling fairness. The recall election is an illegitimate abuse of democracy, and it scares me that so many people are treating it like a valid process.

[Hawkeye-X]

13. The support for the Steroid-Boy is dropping

and so is the recall effort. A month ago it was in the high 60's, but now it's dropping to 55% and will drop even more in the next two weeks, therefore Davis will defeat the recall and declare open season for the Repukelicans to get out of California and back to their turdhole somewhere in Oklahoma or Idaho.

Hawkeye-X

[Frances]

8. I don't think McClintock (sp?)

will drop out. I think that, unlike Issa, McClintock really does have principles (although I don't agree with his political philosophy).

My gut tells me that Arnold is not doing nearly as well as he and the Republicans had hoped. Since Arnold is mainly interested in Arnold's ego, I wonder if he will drop out with some kind of excuse. After all, how effective will he be as Terminator if he loses?

[FubarFly]

10. Any repuke will respond to pressure if properly applied.

The only principles the repukes consistantly display are blind loyalty to their Party and nationalism.

Are you sure that McClintock isn't in on the fix? That in the eleventh hour he won't won't drop out of the race and throw his support unconditionally behind Arnold for the good of the Party. The rationale being that even a flawed Arnold is better than Gray Davis.

Do you really trust McClintock not to do this?

[nolabels]

17. Quite Frankly YES, he will take the bow and curtsy out

Tag team has never been so obvious. He claims this moral high ground, but will jump when he figures the time is correct for it.

My predition is only a day or two before the vote, got to keep the sheep on the straight and narrow.

[ronnykmarshall]

22. I don't agree

Of any of the candidate for Gov, the only one that has been showing visabilty is McClintock. His posters are all over parts of the West LA. I don't think he'll drop out.

[nolabels]

18. Well he droped out of the debates today

Just heard on my Local comunity radio station
They are broadcasting the the debate live there at
http://www.kpfk.org/content.shtml

Has a link to listen live over the internet, but have heard it is hard to get on, because so many people listen to it

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Debate news from LA

Just say on the local news that Uberoft is probably dropping out. McClintock, Uberoft and of course Arnold didn't show his sorry ass. The man running the debate ripped Arnold a new asshole for not showing up.

[nolabels]

23. Only base my observations about McClintox on a couple times.....

That I have listened to him. He sounds like he has more of a need for people to like him and what he says rather than trying to solve anything. He came to the thing with little cash in hand, so anything he gets is all extra. He losses little if fails so why not fight to the end. That's why he would bow close to the end (repuke think :puke:)

Btw if I was him and playing cards instead of politics with peoples lives, I would stay in no matter what. It could blow over in the end, and he could come out smelling like a rose

[David__77]

19. You are correct.

The "liberal" wing of the state GOP is going to alienate the right with pro-gay, pro-choice, pro-affirmative action viewpoints. McClintock is indeed the best "qualified" GOP candidate, and would defeat Arnie in a primary. With the revelation of certain things about Arnie in the coming weeks, the GOP may wish they had treaded more lightly with their right flank.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. McClintock will not drop out

His numbers are going up and he is in it for the long haul. Peter Uberoft is going to have a press confrence today and my guess is that he will drop out.

[Wednesdays]

6. Cool...

Keep it going, Dems!

[WindRavenX]

11. These polls are sooo bad

505 people?
C'mon, that field sample is so small compared to the overall size of CA. I don't trust any of these polls, even the ones that show the Democratic canidates ahead.

[Hawkeye-X]

14. Hell...

505 people is just one corner of say, Hollywood and Vine.

Heh.

Hawkeye-X

[WindRavenX]

15. That's my point

If they polled 505 people in one area, then the data is essentially worthless.
If it was scattered across the state, it would give a better idea of what people are thinking.But still, 505 people polled is still too small a sample to get an accurate idea of the mood of Californians, IMHO.