NBC Makes Unprecedented Downward Correction in Latino Support for Bush

[rabid_nerd]

(Press Release, but from a press conference and Yahoo News)

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041203/nyf044_1.html

In a stunning admission, an elections manager for NBC News said national news organizations overestimated President George W. Bush's support among Latino voters, downwardly revising its estimated support for President Bush to 40 percent from 44 percent among Hispanics, and increasing challenger John Kerry's support among Hispanics to 58 percent from 53 percent. The revision doubles Kerry's margin of victory among Hispanic voters from 9 to 18 percent. Ana Maria Arumi, the NBC elections manager also revised NBC's estimate for Hispanic support for Bush in Texas, revising a reported 18-point lead for Bush to a 2-point win for Kerry among Hispanics, a remarkable 20-point turnaround from figures reported on election night.

The NBC announcement came during a forum with the William C. Velasquez Institute's president, Antonio Gonzalez, and other Hispanic analysts at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., sponsored by Hispanic Link Newsletter and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.

[WI_DEM]

1. well it's a start

[still_one]

12. too little too late

[johnfunk]

26. NBC's poll reporting boosted Bush and screwed Kerry? I'm SHOCKED!

I look forward to Brian "Weasel Boy" Williams and Tim "Punkinhead" Russert apologizing to the American people. Mind you, I'm not holding my breath...

[rainbow4321]

28. They will blame bloggers...

somehow they will..remember not too long ago when the TV news said that all the exit polls that "incorrectly" showed Kerry ahead on Black Tuesday afternoon were because of information put out by bloggers that day? HUH? Ok, so when it comes to light that the exit polls WERE correct and the election was stolen, do we then get credit instead of blame? By the sound of this report, no...

[barbaraann]

2. The common wisdom has already been set in stone

and NBC knows it. Bastards.

[blm]

16. Yeah, how many dump on Kerry stories did they get out of this one?

.

[tk2kewl]

3. This is more crap intended to give credence to flawed exit poll theory

:mad:

[PATRICK]

5. And conveniently

the intended discouragement of the Kerry supporters has served its purpose. Just like the imminent capture of Bin Laden.

Trite and obvious machinations. Incompetent crap at best.

[msgadget]

15. Add to that

the Hispanic cabinet appointments and the foregone conclusion became 'fact'.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. WCVI said it was Kerry 65/35 within days of the election

"We want to set the record straight," Antonio Gonzalez, president of the Willie C. Velazquez Institute, said yesterday. "I think it's good for Latinos to be able to leverage both parties, but that should be based on the facts."

He presented figures showing Bush received 34.2 percent of the Hispanic vote, while Sen. John Kerry received 64.6 percent.

http://signonsandiego.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=SignOnSanDiego.com+%3E+News+%3E+Politics+--+Polls+at+odds+over+whether+Latinos+were+swing+vote+for+Bush&expire=&urlID=12252371&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.signonsandiego.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F20041111-9999-1n11hispanic.html&partnerID=621

I am so pissed that this story was buried!!!

[bullimiami]

6. apparently bush won in no group but white republicans, a minority.

he didnt win men, he didnt win women, not latinos, not blacks, not independents, not democrats and he did worse among all of these groups than in 2000.

powerful doublethink involved when the news media has to reconcile this with him "winning" the election.

[Just Me]

30. How can somebody get the majority vote of everyone except white men

and still lose.

Pretty strange, huh.

Mathematically impossible, yes?

I wish people would wake the hell up.

[orangeotter]

38. Bush improved in most areas over 2000

Bush won among men in general and among whites as a race (by a considerable margin) he actually did better in many areas even in urban voters, though oddly he dropped slightly in rural voters (contrary to the Moral Voters of the Country myth) He also won every age group except for 18-29, in 2000 he lost that and the 65 and over.

[Warpy]

7. Read who it's from

It's from the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. You know, more sour grapes from bad losers, get over it, blah blah blah.

It won't do a bit of good, but it is something we can add to the record to present to future historians, if we indeed have a history.

[AP]

8. The media wrote the story about the election before the election...

...and the story is turning out not to be true.

The value voters didn't influence the outcome. Bush didn't get the hispanic vote.

I am sure that the reason for this is because the Republicans don't want to admit that fear was the reason that people voted for them (and they don't want e-voting to come under scrutiny).

[asjr]

9. I wish we could sue the media for their lies. They are worthless!

[LifeDuringWartime]

43. why not?

im sure all it would take would be a very clever team of lawyers and a shitload of money.

[sam sarrha]

10. the error was just the Stolen Votes, now they won they correct without

being questioned

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Actually this may mean the fraud is much bigger and expands to media

people in NBC..which wouldn't surprise me. In the Gore case, it looked and stayed with Florida even though there were reports of fraud in Tennessee and other places.

Frankly the coverage of FRAUD is much quicker this time than in 2000..and remember NBC QUICKLY followed suit with Fox and declared Bush the winner in 00. It's BARELY December and they are already backtracking.

[zann725]

13. They're backtracking means they see the coming debacle...

and know that given the scope of the current growing investigation, and # of attys on the job, they better become 'fair and balanced' at least in hindsight.

[barbaraann]

18. Wow! Thank you for that encouraging thought! I needed that.

And an entire corporation can't resign to "spend more time with family." It will have to face the music.

[EFerrari]

21. Exactly, this is CYA

Someone somewhere in Big Media has just understood that they are now complicit in TWO stolen national elections. And no matter what it looks like, they can hear us breathing <g>. Really good work, folks. Congratulations.

[underpants]

14. The numbers are even more skewed now

They didn't make since from the beginning (regardless of CNN changing the sex demographics at 1:45AM) and they make less since now.

[daleo]

17. Is this good or bad?

On the one hand, it nibbles away at the idea that Bush's support is very broad. On the other hand, it clouds the issue of exit polls at bit - although it seems that NBC is now preferring the exit poll that favored Kerry regarding the Latino vote, it also gives the impression that you can pick and choose among exit polls, and thus attacks their overall reliability.

But logically, it also implies that the difference between the exit polls and the vote count is even higher in Kerry's favor than we thought before.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. It means the exit polls were RIGHT

but since no one is paying attention I guess THAT won't matter...it also makes California and Texas results smell as much as the rest of the nation.

[Just Me]

31. Perhaps, there's a serious investigation into widespread criminal fraud.

And the media may get a far greater chewin' than it has thus far. Those who are on the up-n-up, will be saved *smile* and the rest will burn in hell.

:evilgrin:

[daleo]

35. It is interesting

I get the feeling that something is developing and that (at a minimum) Bush's ride will be bumpier than expected.

[texpatriot2004]

20. I knew they were wrong and that their estimates were too high.

[vickie]

22. Have any of the media squawkers made mention of this? Hmm

[alexisfree]

23. this hispanic

is one of the 58% who vote for kerry...

[goclark]

24. I think there were far more Hispanics

that voted for Kerry.

They stole from everybody to "win" this election.

[rainbow4321]

25. Texas Hispanics

No shit, NBC news...is it any wonder why shrub felt a need to pad the Texas votes? OH, I forgot, YOU aren't covering that are you?? All you had to do was go to the TX SOS website to see the stats that show shrub's TX numbers might raise some concern amongst repukes.
Even WITH the padding shrub LOST Travis County, El Paso county, came "thisclose" <2%> to losing Dallas County <where a Hispanic female WON as county sheriff>, the Tex-Mex border was bright blue, and shrub got only like 55% in Harris County <where Houston is>. These blue areas can add up...you can't tell me that shrub didn't see these kind of numbers before the election and felt a need to nudge the state a little redder. Plus it would also help DeLay and Sessions, also. I think the next headline should be "NBC makes a sharp correction---Bush lost Nov 2nd and we didn't cover the fraud exposure that led to his demise".
Dumb fucks, dumb fucks, dumb fucks.

http://rawstory.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=114



The Raw Story12/3/2004
NBC makes sharp correction in Latino support for Bush, puts Kerry up in Texas

In a stunning turnaround, an elections manager for NBC News said news organizations overestimated President George W. Bush’s support among Latino voters, downwardly revising its polled support for Bush to 40 percent from 44 percent among Hispanics, and increasing challenger John Kerry’s support among Hispanics to 58 percent from 53 percent, a press release from a Hispanic thinktank reveals.

The revision doubles Kerry’s margin of victory among Hispanic voters from 9 to 18 percent, and suggests that Bush did not gain sizably in Latino support from 2000 to 2004.

NBC’s elections manager Ana Maria Arumialso revised NBC’s estimate for Hispanic support for Bush in Texas, changing a reported 18-point lead for Bush to a 2-point win for Kerry among Hispanics, a remarkable 20-point turnaround from figures reported election night

[AspenRose]

33. If you look at the Rio Grande Valley (TX), it is almost solidly blue.

eom

[rainbow4321]

27. "Correction of Texas Hispanic poll" article

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1292419/posts

In the Nov. 3 BC-ELN--Texas Glance and BC-TX Exit-Poll Excerpts, The Associated Press overstated President Bush's support among Texas Hispanics.
Under a post-election adjustment by exit poll providers Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, 49 percent of Hispanics in the state voted for Bush, not a majority.
The revised result does not differ to a statistically significant degree from Bush's 43 percent support among Texas Hispanics in a 2000 exit poll.
The revised BC-TX-Exit-Poll Excerpts showed that 20 percent, not 23 percent, of all Texas voters were Hispanic. They voted 50 percent for Kerry and 49 percent for Bush, not 41-59 Kerry-Bush.

[ourbluenation]

29. christ on a cracker

Can't these people do anything right????

JTT

[hangloose]

32. This after the fact crap doesn't cut it! It's the same bullshit that they

fed us on WMD and Iraq. Whoops!! Got it wrong, Ho Gee we will get it right the next time.

In the mean time, no harm, right?

Well Yes.....

We seem to be in an age where no one is accountable.

[jhain]

36. Maybe we just misheard them n/t

[damntexdem]

34. Oopsies!

When will they retract the reports that Dubya won in Ohio and Florida?

[ginnyinWI]

37. And of course it is released on a Friday--

the traditional day to "take out the trash", dumping it when they think fewer people will pick up on it. NBC/GE knew exactly what they were doing, the liars.

[EFerrari]

41. Released on a Friday

Bingo, ginny. One of their predictable moves.

We've had FOUR years of these guys. We should be able to predict when they brush their teeth by now.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

46. "Trash day"-HA! Like Bev in FL we should haul it out every Monday

to the mainstream media and bloggers so they can see what got thrown away.

Hell, even the freedom fighters in Iraq know how to work the US news cycle. For a while, they were blowing things up on Sunday to make the Monday news!

[judaspriestess]

39. As a Hispanic this is not a surprise.

I never bought into this.

[goforit]

40. Ya and Bush won the election?.....I guess those Latinos never vote, eh?

Stolen Election + Lying Press + Apathetic Americans = President BUSH!!

[EFerrari]

42. Apathetic Americans? No way.

You know, (I said still being really new here but not to the issues), Americans aren't apathetic.

They're traumatized. We've been hearing nothing but terror, terror, terror for years now. While deal with, ah, real stuff like no jobs and worsening health coverage and at risk retirement benefits and sinking schools and deficts and terror, terror, terror.

Traumatized people make reactive and unwise decisions -- when they can make them at all.

I think the fact that there was a big voter turnout this year really speaks to how strong this country really is. All those people believed their vote mattered AND cared enough to vote. Despite how battered we've all been by this administration - who behave just like abusive parents.

Good for us, for not rolling over, for keeping enough of a sense of ourselves and each other to challenge the fraud, theft, lies.

[Keirsey]

44. Moore and Greenwald

Hope to see this story in your respective exposés about the 2004 election.

[goforit]

47. Well, I guess that since Walmart's sales were down (yippy).......

Americans can't be all that apathetic.

I certainly love the Spirit of the Ukrane right now. But if
America continues to duck and cover in their own fears,
there will be no hope for the future of our own children.
This is what eveyone forgets about....the future existence of
humanity.

[JI7]

45. not surprising

[struggle4progress]

48. kick

:kick:

[Zynx]

49. We still have to recognize we used to win 70%+ of the Hispanic vote.

We've lost a lot and we have to figure out why.

[JI7]

50. religion

i live in California with a large latino population. while many support things like public education and public funding to help people with health care and other liberal things.

many of them are also very religious and tend to oppose things like abortion rights.

i have a friend who i thought i had convinced to support Kerry based on economic issues. she lives with her father and they struggle and pretty much live paycheck to paycheck and in a small apartment. but she said how she was listening to Kerry one time and she didn't like him because of the things he said about abortion. she said he is too liberal. she is not very much into politics but she knows i am and i wanted her to vote for Kerry. in the end she never registered to vote but she said she would have voted for Bush because he was a good Christian and against abortion.