CIA's remote viewers initiated quest for WMD in Iraq

[Minstrel Boy]

Okay, okay, it's Pravda; but see The Scotsman story that follows.

CIA's remote viewers initiated quest for WMD in Iraq
Extrasensory agents helped the CIA arrest KGB spies and detect secret objects in the USSR

12/06/2004

Seventy-three thousand pages of secret documents have recently been declassified in the United States. The information unveiled the activity of two special groups that worked with extrasensory individuals. The CIA had to acknowledge that it used remote viewers and other individuals possessing paranormal abilities for intelligence purposes.

The groups of extrasensory individuals apparently worked without having any links with each other. One of those groups was searching for information about spying on the territory of the USA (counterintelligence), another one was dealing with identification of nuclear and other secret objects in the country of an enemy (strategic intelligence).

The two groups achieved quite impressive results in their work. The Polish and East-German residents, as well as other agents from several "NATO-friendly" countries of Western Europe were destroyed owing to the efforts of the first group. Aldrich Ames, a KGB agent, was detected with special groups' help too.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/14682_paranormal.html


Scare crazy

Nov 13

Ronson began his journey into the US army’s heart of cerebral darkness in London, where he got a tip from Uri Geller - the psychic famed for bending spoons on TV in the 1970s. "Under Clinton, the nuttiness was at the fringes but the dynamic changed when the Bushes got into power and it felt like the nuttiness was now at the core of things," Ronson tells me at his Soho club. "So I started asking around and then I heard about remote viewers and psychic spies and, right here on the roof terrace in this building, Uri Geller told me that he’d been ‘re-activated’."

I ask why the US military might have brought Geller back in from the cold. The simple answer is that Geller once belonged to an unofficial unit of psychic spies, formed in the 1970s to read the future and conduct experiments into the supernatural for the US military. Geller’s tip led Ronson to Glenn Wheaton, a retired sergeant and former Special Forces psychic spy who confirmed that the military funded this unofficial unit. There was more to the psychics, however, than trying to "remotely access" Soviet weapons plans or predict China’s next move. They were looking at new forms of warfare, including walking through walls, adopting a cloak of invisibility, even stopping an animal’s heartbeat by staring at it.

Wheaton told Ronson about a "goat lab" where the staring took place and this led him to General Stubblebine III, the army’s chief of intelligence in the 1980s. The General is a big fan of Geller and in Ronson’s documentary lays out a whole trayful of twisted cutlery as evidence of his faith. Stubblebine, says Ronson, was so convinced about these ideas that he spent several weeks trying to conjure up a mental state that would enable him to walk through walls. He never succeeded, but became a powerful advocate of New Age thought.

Ronson is smiling across the table as we discuss the debleated goats he discovered at an army base in Fort Mead, North Carolina, but his story has the darkest of undertones. "It felt as if I was really finding this stuff out for the first time," he says. "No-one knows about the goats. They’re completely new and the guy who told me immediately regretted it."

http://news.scotsman.com/features.cfm?id=1310082004

[Forkboy]

1. CIA uses Ouija board to find terrorists!

Story at 11.

[Enraged_Ape]

2. Hitler, too, was real into paranormal stuff to help him fight his war

We all know where it got him.

[Guaranteed]

3. You've...got...to...be...SHITTING!!...me!!!

*Palm slap on forehead*

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. I just wish these faith based folks in the WH

would get a better reality.

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Oh, great. Now we're responsible for psychic chupa-cabras.

OH, Clinton, Clinton. Come home Clinton. I want sanity back in my life!

[PATRICK]

6. Uri is a fake

Just an ordinary magician who found his calling outside the entertainment biz. He found that scientists and other "highly" intelligent technocrats with no beliefs particularly in the supernatural were easy prey for cheap gimmicks. Kreskin could debunk all of Geller's "exploits" quite easily. Geller debunked himself on the talk show circuit as he ridiculed the lab researchers he conned out of money.

A psychic confidence man, one might wonder WHO Geller is working for as well as what he is holding in his hand. In fact the whole story might be another stunt concoction as the names here sound as phony as the "results".

Just like any other modern scam the easiest to slide things by are the scientists and on the other side of the scale, the farthest out conspiracy theorists.

Geller is a fraud, small wonder he pops up now. It casts this whole story into serious(or comical) doubt.

Of course there are big bucks in nonsense right now. Enjoy the fraud bubble.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Do you think it's a good time to change my name?

I was thinking Cleo might be appropriate?

[PATRICK]

14. ?

Cleo is owned by a non-poster already. You have twice as many posts as I so I humbly defer to your preference.

We should have gotten a magician to infiltrate the GOP. Doesn't Uri work for Israel?

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. I was just thinking about trying to cash in on this 'fraud' bubble

you were talking about. I figured Madame Cleo might be making a come back. As far as whose side Uri is on, I sure it's whoever is winning at the moment.

[sherilocks]

7. No wonder they can't find OBL

The psychics haven't been able to locate him. Maybe OBL walks through walls.

[arwalden]

9. Yet ANOTHER Example Of The Dangers Of Magical Thinking!!!

Will it EVER end? This is perhaps the most RETARDED waste of money and effort and time... EVER!! I thought this had ended YEARS ago.

[emad]

10. Ex-Ambassador William Stamps Farish implicated in this goat crap:

For background see these about Jim Chanon's First Earth Battalion:

Crazy Rulers of the World: Major Ed Dames and a "psychic" called Prudence Calabresse implicated in MKULTRA-type psychic intelligence that was aired on UK's Channel 4TV last month:
http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/C/crazy_rulers/
This gives you all the stuff on Stubblebine and the crazy goat biz.

See also site for later update programme:
http://worldofwonder.net/productions/networks/channel_4_uk/crazy_rulers_of_the_world.php

This goddawful psychic crap has a direct bearing on ex-Ambassador to London and Junior's blind trust bagman William Stamps Farish III and his wife Sarah being booted out of the UK last July.

They repeated the weird story sourced to Major Ed Dames's protegeee Prudence Calabresse that a dirty radiological bomb would hit Regents Park Zoo, with massive fallout all over London. Further, they said that the Calabresse story named the owners of Regent's Park's most famous villas in the Inner Circle, St John's Lodge, The Holme and Hanover Lodge - which is opposite the Ambassadorial residence in the Outer Circle. The defamation also stated that they were the masterminds of the 9-11 conspiracy as well as loads of other libellous slime.

Now this is where it gets interesing:

The couple they slimed with this psychic goat crap are the Trumans: Professor Ian Truman is a first cousin of Harry S Truman's daughter Margaret Truman Daniel, the well-known fiction writer married to former journalist Clifton Daniel. Profesor Truman, a former Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at NY's Columbia University, sued the Farishes over this crap and a lengthy trail of other accusations they had made previous to their arrival in Winfield House, the Ambassadorial Residence in Regent's Park Outer Circle.

Upshot of the lawsuit as I understand it is that the Trumans not only won their defamation lawsuit against the Farishes, but the US Ambassadorial Residency of Winfield House was forfeited in the judgement which awarded the building back to the Trumans by way of compensation.

So if you are wondering why Bush still hasn't appointed a replacement Ambassador for Farish, the answer is that there is nowhere for a new one to live....unless Poodle comes up with something of course, maybe in the Isle of Dogs in London's East End????

Edit: Wish I had a copy of the London video which lampoons Farish as the Original Goat Sucker, Chupacabras.....

SEE ALSO: Link to MKULTRA-type weirdo Jim Channon & FIRST EARTH BATTALION:
Crazy Rulers of the World

Channel 4
Broadcast date/time: 07/12/2004 02:45
Duration: 60 mins
Category: None

Episode: Funny Torture
Jon Ronson traces the activities conducted in both Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay back to the theories developed by Lieutenant Colonel Jim Channon who, in the 1970s, came up with a New Age fighting force called the First Earth Battalion. He never expected his quirky ideas to confuse the enemy would later be used as the basis for the development of non-lethal technologies utilised in America's war against terror

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/tvguide/progdetails.php?regionid=4&chid=47&bd=2004-12-07&bt=02:45


AM I RIGHT in thinking that Jim Channon was one of Bush Jr's original Pioneers who stumped up the cash and enthusiasm to get him elected first as Texas Governor and the as 2000 Repub candidate??? Anybody???

[Barrett808]

11. IIRC, the CIA report on its paranormal research indicated a small effect..

...but one that was too erratic to be useful for intelligence purposes.

I thought it was a nice piece of ass-covering ("we didn't completely waste taxpayer money"), but I found it hard to swallow at the time.

[UpInArms]

12. Does anyone else find it absolutely amazing

that real scientific work is discounted as "junk", yet what is "junk" is now elevated to "real"?

:wtf:

(edited for typo)

[Straight Shooter]

13. A psychic friend of mine predicted Saddam would be found in a bunker

Damn, this woman is so clairvoyant it's spooky. She's rarely wrong. We don't discuss politics, though. She thinks that's best left up to higher powers.

Using remote viewers is ridiculous, though. I thought "Christians" viewed the paranormal as the work of the devil, eh?

For more info on remote viewing, look up "Joseph McMoneagle" and "remote viewing." Fascinating, but certainly nothing you want to base a conclusion of WMD activity on. Jeebers!!

[emad]

16. Jim Channon, First Earth Battalion: the original spooky spooks

Journal of Non-lethal Combatives, February 2000
The First Earth Battalion: Dare to Think the Unthinkable, Ideas and Ideals for Soldiers Everywhere
By Jim Channon
Copyright © 1979 Jim Channon, all rights reserved. Reprinted by permission of Jim Channon. Introduction and annotation by Joseph R. Svinth. Copyright © 2000, all rights reserved.

Introduction

In 1979, the Peoples’ Republic of China publicly reported that several thousand of its children aged 8-14 were capable of telepathy, clairvoyance, X-ray vision, or psychokinesis. Having already heard about this program, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, and the US Army were simultaneously pouring billions of dollars into their own similar research.

The Army program was headquartered at Fort Meade, Maryland, and was part of the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Leaders included Generals Edmund Thompson and Albert Stubblebine, and Colonel John Alexander.

Officers assigned to the US Army War College at Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania <http://carlisle-www.army.mil/library/ris.htm> contributed research to the project, and "The First Earth Battalion" is essentially a textual copy of one group's unclassified briefing slides.

Although decidedly New Age, the War College project was not entirely theoretical. Colonel Alexander, for example, went on to become a leader in the Los Alamos National Lab's non-lethal weapons program. Likewise, during the early 1980s Special Forces hired Richard Strozzi Heckler and other outside contractors to provide two A-teams, a total of 25 men, with training in biofeedback, aikido, and "mind-body psychology." In the latter program, a typical training day included running, swimming, "industrial-strength" calisthenics, and 1-1/2 hours of aikido practice. After six months, the soldiers were not aikido masters but they were quantifiably 75% more physically fit than when they started.

More:
http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_channon_0200.htm

[emad]

17. See also:The road to Abu Ghraib , Guardian

In the wake of Vietnam, the US military were demoralised and prey to some fairly crazy ideas. They thought they could train 'super soldiers' with psychic powers. In this first extract from his revealing new book, Jon Ronson describes how their aspirations were perverted in the prisons of Iraq

Read part two: here.

Saturday October 30, 2004
The Guardian

It is the summer of 1983. Major General Albert Stubblebine III is sitting behind his desk in Arlington, Virginia, and he is staring at his wall, upon which hang his numerous military awards. They detail a long and distinguished career. He is the US army's chief of intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He controls numerous covert counter-intelligence and spying units, scattered throughout the world. He would be in charge of the prisoner-of-war interrogations, too, except this is 1983, and the war is cold, not hot.
He looks past his awards to the wall itself. There is something he feels he needs to do even though the thought of it frightens him. He thinks about the choice he has to make. He can stay in his office or he can go into the next office. He has made his decision. He is going into the next office. He stands up, moves out from behind his desk and begins to walk. He thinks to himself, what is the atom mostly made up of anyway? Space!

He quickens his pace.

What am I mostly made up of? Atoms!

He is almost at a jog now.

What is the wall mostly made up of, he thinks. Atoms! All I have to do is merge the spaces. The wall is an illusion.

Then General Stubblebine bangs his nose hard on the wall of his office.

He is confounded by his continual failure to walk through his wall. There is no doubt in his mind that the ability to pass through objects will one day be a common tool in the intelligence-gathering arsenal. And when that happens, well, is it too naive to believe it would herald the dawning of a world without war? Who would want to screw around with an army that could do that?
More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1337954,00.html

[megatherium]

18. There is scientific evidence for remote viewing.

A prominent Cornell University psychologist, Daryl Bem, surprised the psychological community by publishing a paper in the top psychology journal about ten years ago that presented a meta-analysis of remote-viewing experiments, concluding that the phenomonon is real.

A typical remote-viewing experiment involves the remote viewer having to select between four pictures, trying to decide which of these corresponds to the "sender's" location. Thus purely random results would be 25%. According to the meta-analysis, they were consistently getting 35%.

Not relieable enough to scare up bin Laden, but perhaps not complete nonsense either.