US drops massive (half-ton) bomb on Mosul

[DoYouEverWonder]

MOSUL, Dec 11: A US aircraft dropped a half-ton bomb on the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Saturday after guerillas attacked an army patrol that was trying to capture an arms dump, a military spokesman said.

The powerful blast shook the west of the city. There was an "unknown number of enemy casualties" and eight soldiers were slightly wounded, Lt Col Paul Hastings said.

Guerillas had set off a car bomb and then opened fire with rifles, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars on the unit that moved on the arms cache. Troops later destroyed the weapons.

<snip>

In southern Baghdad, guerillas assassinated a police brigadier and a colonel, a police source said. Near the northern town of Ash Sharqat a police colonel was one of two officials killed in an ambush. There others, including a colonel, were wounded.

A car bomb exploded in the centre of the ethnically divided northern oil capital of Kirkuk, badly damaging a US Humvee patrol vehicle and wounding two soldiers and an interpreter, the US military said. The wounded were in a stable condition.-Reuters

http://www.dawn.com/2004/12/12/top12.htm


I'm sorry, there is no good fucking reason in the world to drop a bomb like this on a civilian population. Why? For what? What the fuck did these people do to us?

[rockedthevoteinMA]

1. That's atrocious!!

I don't know anything about bombs - is this worse than what they are doing in Fallujah? (It certainly sounds it) :(

Those poor people.

[GainesT1958]

37. That was one of those "daisy-cutter" bombs, it sounds like...

Used to destroy either a large concentration of enemy troops or armament, or a bunker. Why indeed they'd use such a bomb on a large city like Mosul is beyond me--they didn't even use such a bomb on Fallujah, and it was a haven for indsurgent and terrorist activity.x(

B-)

[NAO]

40. The Daisy-Cutter, BLU-82B is 15,000 lbs. (link)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm

BLU-82B

The BLU-82B/C-130 weapon system, nicknamed Commando Vault in Vietnam and Daisy Cutter in Afghanistan, is a high altitude delivery of 15,000 pound conventional bomb, delivered from an MC-130 since it is far too heavy for the bomb racks on any bomber or attack aircraft. Originally designed to create an instant clearing in the jungle, it has been used in Afghanistan as an anti-personnel weapon and as an intimidation weapon because of its very large lethal radius (variously reported as 300-900 feet) combined with flash and sound visible at long distances.

[Barrett808]

68. A measure of the Bush mafia's frustration

These acts, more than anything, demonstrate how badly they're losing.

[dbt]

2. Who got the world into THIS mess?

And who profits?

:argh:
dbt

[stevebreeze]

39. Halaburton

sorry was that a rhetorical question?

[ilovenicepeople]

70. Exactly!

[acmavm]

3. To drop a bomb like this on a civilian area is criminal. To drop a bomb

on a civilian area like this when the 'end' of the war was declared long ago is more than criminal, it is an obscenity.

This will certainly turn anyone else against us who hadn't already done so.

This act is breathtaking in it inhumanity.

[gordianot]

6. This is unique and is an act of total desperation.

Sounds like the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto.

[Just Me]

8. The "neoCONs" are apparently feudal fascist imperialists.

I don't even want to imagine what they will deliver over the next four years. I find myself increasingly engaged in prayer for a miracle to STOP their destruction.

[Bouncy Ball]

42. Me, too.

Every single day of my life I pray. :cry:

[bobbieinok]

19. they mention 'enemy' casualties....all the dead are by defn 'enemy'??

[HysteryDiagnosis]

56. all the dead are by defn 'enemy'??

Why yes, yes they are!!! </sarcasm>

[KDLarsen]

47. Unfortunately..

.. the was was never declared over, officially at least. Because if it was, the US of A would have to cease the hunt for Saddam & all former leaders of Iraq.

Not to mention, they'd had to release all Iraqi POW's.

[asjr]

4. Winning their hearts and minds by killing them. Frankly, I wonder when

the other Arab nations will rise and come to the aid of the Iraqis.

[Catherine Vincent]

5. All in the name of Bush!

Sigh!

[truhavoc]

59. Love your pic

Should follow with the multiple choice question of who looks the least presidental of the four.

[Just Me]

7. These people's only crime was being born in an oil-rich country.

I loathe the greedy, power-struck, scum of the earth guilty of creating this hell to those who never threatened us.

[ailsagirl]

9. WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP???????

[0007]

22. When someone picks junior up by the seat of his pants

and flings the idiot out of the Oval office window.

[ailsagirl]

48. I'd love it

But does anyone know WHEN we plan to stop? When we've killed
all the Iraqis? Are we waiting for someone to surrender?

What is it "we" are waiting for to happen?

[Just Me]

81. We're waiting for "courage" and "true vision" to happen.

It is gathering strength among humanity but has not yet gathered the force necessary for action.

It's so sad that a crisis seems the only predicate to motion with respect to human beings. All that unnecessary suffering is created prior to proactive thinking and movement.

[Barkley]

104. The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind, the answer is blowin' in the

wind.

I guess the more of Iraq they destroy the more US taxpayers will have to pay US contractors to 'reconstruct' Iraq.

[LibDemAlways]

10. "unknown number of enemy casualties"

Why are the Iraqi people the enemy? Because they are fighting back against a ruthless foreign invader? The Iraqi people have been fignting back for thousands of years against foreign aggression. Every "empire" eventually crumbled. Iraq will never be conquered by America. Why the hell didn't the PNAC idiots pick up a history book before they began this doomed exercise in death, destruction, and futility?

[tandot]

11. It's worth it - we freed them from an evil dictator...

...to be killed by a half-ton bomb made in the US. At least now they don't have to worry about Saddam anymore...the United States of America put them out of their misery.

And I bet their family (or whatever is left of them) will send lots of flowers and thank-you notes with the insurgents and suicide bombers...

I bet Bush is proud about being responsible for the death of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and thousands of our boys and girls... I guess my understanding of "pro-life" is just completely screwed up...


:mad:

[Career Prole]

12. "What the fuck did these people do to us?"

They were born non-white and non-christian smack-dab in the middle of a big oilpatch.
That was the sin. That and nothing more.

[karlrschneider]

13. We have dropped much larger bombs that this one on Iraqi cities.

Not to minimize this one, but it's hardly the worst.

[Mira]

20. That means we best shut up til they drop a bigger one or what? n/t

[FlashHarry]

105. I thought the standard MK84 was 2,000 lbs. This one is smaller?

Not to minimize it, but the headline is a tad sensational. Any ordinance dropped on civilian areas is a crime, but this is hardly a "big bomb."

[tabasco]

14. We do not have enough infantry to control Iraqi cities.

Iraq is a complete quagmire and the sooner we unass the AO, the better.

[Niche]

15. I CANNOT TAKE THIS ANYMORE! We're talking about leaving...

the country, looking into jobs. I refuse to be complicit in this murder. If we go in the streets to protest they ignore us. If we write our Representatives they ignore us. And I can no longer deal with the Americans around me at work who don't know/or care what's happening in their name. I have started the processes of leaving US.

Country Joe and the Fish - "And it's one, two, three what are we fightin' for? ... i don't give a damn the next stop is Viet Nam..."

DIDN'T WE LEARN ANYTHING?

[gordianot]

21. Apparently not.

Remember we are being led by a military deserter who knew he did not want to go Vietnam.

Oh the Irony. The MSM flying monkeys kept saying Vietnam was not relevant, look where we are today.

[Just Me]

23. Hey, hey, it's the imperialists' way,...how much of humanity have they,...

,...destroyed today?

The destruction is probably beyond our imagination.

But,...the human spirit,...is stronger than these bastards,...always has been,...and they know it!!!

[xiamiam]

28. cant leave the planet...

I've thought about leaving too..think about it all the time...unfortunately, it's our planet...and we cant hide from this mess...sure, I can bury my head in the sand and try to forget whats going on...but the truth is, as long as innocent people are being bombed in the name of democracy...there is no place to go...its just too hideous...my heart is broken over this...and there doesnt seem to be any end in sight...we're all in this together now and the world wants us to figure out how to stop this madness...

[NMDemDist2]

46. agreed, where to go that isn't torn by war and strife

that isn't colder than a pagan's posterior?

that leaves out Germany, Canada and Scandinavia

how is the south of France in the winter? altho I hear Spain has a new progressive government. Maybe I'll work harder on my Spanish

[baby_bear]

31. But we haven't taken to the streets for quite some time

I'm ready (again).
I don't think we were ignored, even back before the invasion. I don't mind being a stone in the neocon's shoes. You bet they are at least aware of us, but not when we sit on our hands.

To the streets en masse!

b_b

[Bouncy Ball]

43. I can't afford to leave

but I can't honestly blame anyone who does. I don't want to be associated with the murder of Iraqis, either and I feel powerless to stop it. I marched, I protested, I wrote letters, I screamed and yelled, I wrote LTTES, I did everything I knew to do.

It did nothing.

[quaoar]

16. Sounds like a JDAM

Joint Direct Attack Munition

Fairly common bomb these days. It's used a lot to penetrate hardened targets like bunkers. It's guided by GPS to its target and can be redirected in mid-flight.

[ally_sc]

24. i doubt we will hear...

anything about this on the bought for paid for "bush news"...facism my dear.

[hippiechick]

17. They can't vote if they're dead ...

BUSHCO: rigging foreign elections the old fahioned way, by eliminating 90% of all potential voters.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:



:hippie:

[leftchick]

18. uhm... HELLLOOOO AmeriKan sheeple......

The USA has been droping 2000 lb BOMBS all over fucking IRAQ! Some pro-lifer your chimpy* eh???

[Disturbed]

26. The cities don't matter nor do ...

the people. It's the oil that matters.

[henslee]

25. Mosul -- seat of the ancient world. Indiscriminate killing. This is sad.

[Deja Q]

27. Those people may or may not have backed Saddam. That's enough for *,

what with his petty blood-feud and all. :eyes:

It's only going to get worse.

Get used to it folks. Life's a'changin'. Get your copy of "Final Exit (Third Edition)" now and make that author millions for your suicide. (hell, I'll probably just post it on my website. For a 'free country', I'm getting annoyed at how everything's for sale.)

[Rose Siding]

29. Yahoo buries this story in an article absurdly titled...

"Insurgents Try to Derail Iraqi Elections"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=4&u=/ap/20041212/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Isn't that pure editorializing? This was the reporters conclusion, stated in the first paragraph as fact.

[Nordic]

38. what a surprise! It's the AP!

The AP has gone totally RW.

Every single story they post has a RW spin to it.

It's disgusting. Just go to Yahoo News and check the AP stories and you'll see.

[Algorem]

67. been noticing too,I'm very suspicious of Ass. Press,board of directors

bigtime fatcats,what's the real deal? http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/102304Landes/102304landes.html http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=97&contentid=1624 http://www.ap.org/anniversary/story3.html http://www.ap.org/pages/about/faq.html#2

[jmcgowanjm]

63. Worse. it's a lie. Anyone heard about Fallujah lately?

workers with the Iraqi Red Crescent Society returned to
Fallujah after pulling out because of security concerns on
Dec. 5.

The Red Crescent: "We did unload some water but we
found
that the security situation is still fragile. We are hoping to
be
back again in a couple of
days(maybe)."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L11347852.htm

Baghdad, Iraq, Dec. 11 (UPI) — U.S. war planes
Saturday launched a fresh wave of air strikes on suspected
rebel strongholds in Fallujah, west of
Baghdad.

The renewal of the air raids came amid unconfirmed
reports
of ground clashes in several areas of the city that is
populated
by Sunni Muslims.

[jmcgowanjm]

64. How many times have we heard that Fallujah is over?

5 weeks later what result do we have?

The Resistance wanted to send a message that they can 'stand face to face' against the invaders. They have done so.

The defeat has been total and against
overwhelming odds.

The fact that Fallujah looks more like Grozny
now is beside the point.

Fallujah, despite everything the US has thrown at them,
still rebels.

Not good news for CentCom, the Pentagon, or
the suits in DC and Manhattan.

[Milspec]

30. A 1000 lb bomb

Is the standard load for military aircraft, be they "dumb" or "smart". Thousands have been used since the start of the war. ???

[CornFused]

32. They must have used

...the daisy cutter bomb. I think that's the largest conventional bombs. It was used in Vietnam to clear jungle and make landing zone.

[quaoar]

35. Nah.

The Daisy Cutter is the BLU-82B. It's 15,000 pounds and has to be dropped from a cargo plane with a parachute because it's so heavy and to slow its descent so the plane can get the hell out of the way.

It has an overpressure of 1,000 pounds per square inch at ground zero.

[aikido15]

33. This is unreal...

How can anyone look at this and condone it? sick.

[stepnw1f]

34. Diversionary Tactic

Quick drop a bomb! We need to keep Ohio under the wraps.

Those bastards.

[OutsourceBush]

36. and don't forget Mr. Homeland security and his "nanny"

[Bouncy Ball]

41. There were an "unknown number of enemy casualties"

HELL. Those weren't enemy casualties. I gaurantee you they were mostly civilians who were killed.

Oh there I go telling the truth again. BAD Bouncy Ball, BAD.

Nice, real nice. Drop a half ton bomb on a city with a civilian population.

By the way, I think I read on Riverbend's Baghdad Burning blog that men are paid so much for each Iraqi security officer/police officer killed because they are seen as working with the occupier.

[nolabels]

44. Making more Friends again?

Just wonderful :crazy:

[DoNotRefill]

45. A thousand pound bomb is tiny by today's standards.

eom

[nolabels]

49. Yea, the neighbors bought one the other day

Said it fit nicely into the shopping cart

[Swamp Rat]

50. yep

It ain't so bad. After all, it's tiny by today's standards and we drop them all the time. :grr:

[jmowreader]

107. It would have fit on a lumber cart!

A Mk. 83 general-purpose bomb, which is what this was, is 9 feet 10 inches long by 14 inches diameter. They contain about 450 pounds of cast iron that's been scored on the inside so it will fragment properly, and about 450 pounds of high explosives. You could get this on a Home Depot or Lowe's lumber cart.

It's too big to be dropping on unarmed civilians, as are all bombs, but as aerial bombs go it's the second-smallest one we use.

[Forkboy]

66. unless it lands on you

:eyes:


some people's kids

[Cronus Protagonist]

51. I'm sure the same reason for the US's use of two atom bombs will suffice

"It saved our boy's lives" - wasn't that it?




http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[Conservativesux]

54. Yeah, the A-bombs saved..

..at least a couple of million Japanese and American deaths.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

Two very different wars and this time WE are the bad-guys :(

[Cronus Protagonist]

55. Sure, but the excuse is reusable

Dropping big bombs on civilian poulations in each case is very similar. And I bet the justifications are also similar, bad or good guys on whatever side.

[jmcgowanjm]

62. the Abombs were to keep Russia out of Japan

Read: Russia to enter war
against Japan.

The Japanese were negotiating at the time the bomb
was dropped.

[Zhade]

93. Don't confuse him with the facts.

NT!

[Art_from_Ark]

100. No, that's not true

A secret deal had been made with Stalin for the Soviet army to invade Japan. In return, Roosevelt promised that the USSR would get all the "islands that Japan had taken from Russia by force". Even though this only included Sakhalin Island, Stalin interpreted this to mean not only Sakhalin, but also all the Kuriles and even some unrelated islands called Shikotan and the Habomai islets, which are just a stone's throw from the Hokkaido coast. Shikotan, the Habomais, and the two southernmost Kuriles (Etorofu and Kunashiri) had long been claimed by Japan with no counterclaim by Russia. The remaining Kuriles had been obtained by Japan by treaty. The Soviet Union launched its invasion of the Kuriles after the atomic bombing, and continued to capture islands well into October 1945, when it drove the Japanese army from the last strongholds of Shikotan and the Habomais.

[Whoa_Nelly]

52. News such as this makes me

:cry: :mad: :nuke: :cry: :mad:
Am positive many who were innocent died.

We are the now the nation from Hell.

[daleo]

53. It sounds like someone was desperate

Ambush, big bomb to get away - not really a good sign, from a military point of view, I would say.

[countryjake]

57. At least it wasn't a MOAB!

I've been waiting to hear a report come in that they've used the Mother of All Bombs. Supposedly, this bomb was tested in the USA just as a scare tactic, to convince Saddam to cave & surrender before the invasion, but I've seen reports since that confirm that they were, indeed, transported over to Iraq.

These are 20,000 lb weapons of MASS destruction & can only be dropped by the big transport planes. Somewhere, right around the Fallujah decimation, I read that pilots for those huge planes were being called up & sent over & the MOAB was the first thing I thought of.

Of course, I doubt we'd ever hear anything about it, if they did drop them. The scarcity of pics coming out of Fallujah, now, makes me think they did.

US Tests Massive Bomb


Here's the news I heard about the civilian pilots being called up. It doesn't say they're needed to fly the C-130, which I'm pretty sure is what it takes to carry a MOAB, but who knows.

Air Force Reserve Units Activation Could Leave Airlines In A Pinch

[anarchy1999]

58. Just shoot me now and yes, they have been using the MOAB.

No doubt about it. I said in April of 2003 they would level this town. It was inevitable. God help us all, we the citizens of this "democracy", we, could have stopped this.

Instead we go shopping, we go to the "games", it is all bread and circus.

My heart breaks for us all.

[Massachusetts]

60. Bu$hco

winning the hearts and minds. May all who are and have been complicit in this mess rot in HELL!

OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS IN UNIFORM ARE EXCLUDED IN THAT STATEMENT, SINCE THEY HAVE BENN TAKEN HOSTAGE FROM US.

[jackofhearts]

61. We are the people our government warned us against

We have become the terrorists.

We are the murderers...
the killers of innocent children
the maiming of mothers
the slaughter of young sons

There should be unceasing protests at the oval office. There should be public outcry of unprecedented volume but instead we have silence and/or indifference.

Let the protests begin. We should gather at the white house and not leave until this bloody crime against humanity is stopped. Thats what this is plain and simple...a crime against humanity. And we should demand an end to the carnage and block the capitol building until it is stopped. Civil disobedience is called for immediately. We should not allow our government to be committing these crimes in the name of our nation. We should stop them with massive protests aimed at the heart of this corrupt regime.

We need a revolution against the military neo-con leadership that has turned our nation into a threat to world peace. 2 million people gathered at the white house would be a good start.

[riverwalker]

65. Geneva Convention

was convened based on the findings of The Nuremburg trials. I am astonished at the people in my family who don't know WHY they came about. Everyone who supports the war is getting a DVD of "Judgement at Nuremburg" for xmas. "I was just following orders" does not fly.


The Nuremberg Principles

Principle I. Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment.

Principle II. The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.

Principle III. The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

Principle IV. The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

Principle V. Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.

Principle VI. The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:

(a) Crimes against peace:

(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;

(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

(b) War Crimes:

Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation of slave-labour or for any other purpose of the civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

(c) Crimes against humanity:

Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.

Principle VII. Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principle VI is a crime under international law.

[KoKo]

69. We are living through a HELL we nor anyone else asked for or deserved!

I'm trying to rent WWI and II movies...to check out the propaganda and look for the truth...I've read Howard Zinn...I lived through the 60, 70's...and I have no idea where we are going with the Chimp and his BFEE in consort with Blair are headed but all I see is the Abyss...But I need to go BACK to find out how this could have happened.

Ted Turner's Classics repeated "Judgement a Nurembur" last week. If anyone can rent it...it tells how it ENDS...but living through this until it ENDs twice for some of us who were born from WWII Parents is just too early and too horrible to contemplate...but fleeing the US which is what I want to do...seems to be only jumping from "frying pan into the fire." With Bush/Blair at the helm and Putin possibly in on it where does one go to excape the inevitability of World War III?

:shrug:

[USAFORME]

71. A thousand pound bomb isn't exceptionally large

So the headline is a little misleading.

[DoYouEverWonder]

72. Tell that to the poor suckers

who were underneath it.

[USAFORME]

73. I'd be happy to tell them

if they're part of the insurgency. If they're innocent civilians, that's unfortunate.

[DoYouEverWonder]

74. If you drop a 1000 lb bomb on a city

with a large civilian population what the hell do you think you're going to hit?

Besides we are not at war, Saddam's government fell shortly after the invasion. We are now the occupying force. It was up to us to provide a basic level of services and security for the civilian population. Just because we could provide neither, doesn't give us the right to just kill whoever we feel like it and then claim they were insurgents. Who are these insurgents anyway? Iraqis defending their own homes, families and country? Wouldn't you do the same if we were invaded?

[Name removed]

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[DoYouEverWonder]

76. Yeah right, these babies look like insurgents

There's 1000's of more pics at the following sites if you would like to see what these bombs actually do to the people on the ground.

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page20.htm

[Malva Zebrina]

78. If we did not drop bombs in the first place,invade their country on lies

take over their assets, they would not be standing up.

Standing down is what Bush wants , and I suppose you want.

These people, legally, have a right to invade our country now, because we waged war on them on lies, invaded, killed 100,000 of their people, illegally. We waged war on THEM, when it was not warranted. They have a right to defend themself, their families and their homeland, just as we would, should we be invaded.

This is your country behaving like a wild animal out for blood and Bush behaving like a wild animal who sucks on the teats of the oil companies, and you and your country have blood on your hands for the murder of those innocent people.

There were no enemies but Saddam when we invaded. Thnik back. Who was the enemy but Saddam? That is what Bush told the UN, right? He was a brutal dictator and because of him, Iraq needed a regime change. That was, BTW, his third or fourth or fifth excuse for pursuing his greedy goals with our money and using our name.

Now there are tens of thousands of so called " enemies " protecting their homes and homeland from the real terrorists, aka as George Bush, and that is all being done thanks to his stupidity.

And more joining up every day as he continues to wreak havoc and screw up Iraq.

[TahitiNut]

82. "We don't indiscriminately kill like the terrorists"?

So, the homicide of thousands of women and children is deliberate, huh? Uh-huh, I thought so.

[Supersedeas]

106. with the most precision today's Defense Contractor's can produce on your

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$s

[daleo]

83. "We don't indiscriminately kill like the terrorists. "

Not exactly like the terrorists anyway. The superior firepower makes the U.S. military's indiscriminate killing much more efficient.

[DoYouEverWonder]

84. What's the matter?

Don't you want to play anymore?

[countryjake]

77. Unfortunate, indeed!

By your logic, the loss of innocent civilians is no big deal, as long as it's a strike against the insurgency. Simply the "cost" of a fight for freedom, right?

Tell me then, my friend, how is it that when a car bomb goes off, driven by an Anti-Coalition force, killing innocent civilians, yet obviously originally aimed at some American target, that is labeled as "terrorism"?

Yet an American soldier aims a missile or drops a bomb smack into the middle of a city populated by thousands, destroying whole blocks & killing innocent civilians, even tho it was originally intended to target a "suspected" insurgent base & that is labeled as "liberation"?

[LynnTheDem]

95. I sure do detest ignorant rightwingnuts.

Don't you?

[theoceansnerves]

79. usa rah rah rah

usaforme, flags, apologist for war atrocities.. yeah that's not too transparent.

[TahitiNut]

80. Wow! Somebody sure is lost!

:eyes:

[Tinoire]

94. A 1000 lb bomb is sooo yesterday! Dropped on old folks home in Afghanistan

A 1000lb is plenty big. Who are you trying to kid? Or do you mean in comparison to and while waiting for the excitement of the 15,000 bombs?

Bombs for Beginners: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/


You just don't think it's that big because we've been dropping them like candy and they're not being dropped on YOUR city.

=====================


US admits dropping 1,000lb bomb on old people's home

By Ben Fenton in Washington and Michael Smith
(Filed: 24/10/2001)

THE Pentagon admitted yesterday that United States forces might have hit a hospital or old people's home near the western Afghan city of Herat, causing civilian casualties, after a 1,000lb bomb went astray on Sunday.


Torie Clarke, a senior Pentagon spokesman, also said the military had accidentally bombed a residential area of the capital, Kabul, on Saturday. The admissions followed a Taliban claim that 100 civilians were killed on Monday when a hospital was hit in Herat. Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, denied that claim.

Miss Clarke said that an F/A 18 had accidentally dropped a 1,000lb bomb near a "senior citizens' home" 300ft from the intended target. Under pressure during a press briefing, she conceded that the building might have been a hospital. A United Nations spokesman said earlier that the structure might have been a military hospital.

Miss Clarke also said that, on Saturday night, two 500lb bombs were dropped accidentally on a residential district north-west of Kabul by an F-14 trying to hit military vehicles half a mile away. She said: "As we always say, we regret any loss of civilian life."


(snip)

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/24/war24.xml

[LynnTheDem]

96. I sure do detest ignorant rightwingnuts.

Don't you?

[TahitiNut]

102. (LOL!) He can't laugh. He's a GRAVE fellow, now.

Besides, "ignorant rightwingnuts" is redundant. :silly:

[Name removed]

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[Bridget Burke]

86. Rah rah.

Yes, you're a really good Democrat.

[USAFORME]

87. I like to think so

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[DoYouEverWonder]

89. Let me guess

You're Pro Life too?

[USAFORME]

90. Nope

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[DoYouEverWonder]

91. Oh let me try again,

kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out?

[USAFORME]

92. What?

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[daleo]

88. "The wrong war at the wrong time"

It is interesting to speculate on how people would have reacted had Kerry continued to prosecute the war with Bush like enthusiasm. I don't think he would have, personally. But, unless something unexpected happens in a recount we will never know, so it doesn't really matter.

[LynnTheDem]

97. I sure do detest ignorant rightwingnuts.

Don't you?

[countryjake]

99. Would you call these people "Insurgents"?

Janurary 18, 2003 - When the international organization A.N.S.W.E.R. called for large-scale demonstrations opposing a possible war with Iraq to be held on the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, citizens from across the United States and the world answered. Almost a million people participated in such protests: 3,000 in Tokyo, 15,000 in Toronto, 20,000 in Vancouver, 25,000 in Montreal, 20,000 in Portland, Oregon, an estimated 200,000 in San Francisco, and between three and five hundred thousand in Washington D.C, the largest and highest-profile of the January 18th events. In a wonderful display of democracy in action, the Washington D.C. rally and march protesting President Bush's war brought together a large number of people from all walks of life. People came from all over the nation to demonstrate.


All of those people weren't really much concerned who would be elected to our highest office, at the time. They hadn't yet heard many campaign promises, but they were very aware of our nation's intent...to launch a pre-emptive strike upon another sovereign nation.

Now, I'd venture to guess there were quite a few "good" Democrats in those crowds & I'll also presume that if things had been different during the election of 2000, & the President who was planning such a War had been a Democrat, those massive hordes of demonstrators would NOT have been any less.

There were lots of peaceful, democratic actions in the months leading up to the Invasion; they were attempts to voice a world-wide opinion, not in favor of terrorism, but against an unnecessary war. These protesters were mainly concerned with the implications of a foreign policy that could step into someone else's land, with no provocation, whatsoever, & create "insurgents", kill innocents, & bring down another government.

It doesn't matter who was pushing the buttons, neither party made much noise against it, but in a functioning democracy, those demonstrations spoke loud & clear what a portion of this population felt. In the absence of intelligent leaders, it is important that our voice be heard, when our country takes threatening & destructive action. THAT is the way of Democracy!

As our media fails to speak for & report anything which illustrates true democracy in action, it's very hard to find many tidbits on these grand demonstrations. Here's one description I did manage to find...you may be surprised to discover there are lots of Good Democrats & patriotic citizens, also, who disagree with your stance or any "candidate" who supports this War in the Middle East.

Millions Protest Possible War with Iraq 2.19.03

[Tight_rope]

98. Well this should make some new Muslim friends around the world!

[Tinoire]

101. Mosul// about 9 square miles? This is CRIMINAL!

Great modern map can be found here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/maps-othercities2.htm

(links if you remove the space before jpg - Warning large maps)

www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/nima_mosul. jpg

another here: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/mosul_1944. jpg

[Sara Beverley]

103. IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

That's my manatra for the rest of the year!!

[glitch]

108. This is too important to fall so fast. kick from page 4. nt

[livinginphotographs]

109. I wondered why I was so grumpy today.,..

But then I remembered it was things like this that I read first thing in the morning.

Murdering civilians in your name can ruin anyone's day. :sigh:

With that said, I'm sorry for all the Iraqi people suffering because of the "liberation" thrust upon them by this criminal administration.