Files show more US abuse in Iraq

[HeeBGBz]

Files show more US abuse in Iraq

"Evidence of more prisoner abuse in Iraq has come to light after the US military was forced to release it by the courts. The documents show that US marines carried out a mock execution, used electric shocks and burned prisoners.

American campaign groups obtained the US navy documents by using freedom of information legislation."

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[Mike Niendorff]

1. God Bless America! These Colors Don't Run! Support Our Troops!

( ... um, pay no attention to the torture ... )

United We Stand!
USA! USA! USA!
Rush is Right!
Megadittos!

Argh. It just makes me sick what these people are doing to the name of my country.


MDN

[UL_Approved]

3. Yep. No shame.

They simply want to enforce this on the world. They just use age-old practices perfected by the likes of Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. I hope that this nation realizes that it won't be able to get away with the bullshit forever. We WILL get taken down.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

2. "Mr. President, Iraq is sovreign. Love, Condi"

[lachattefolle]

9. Condi and * totally suck. And how f-----g phony was this note? n/t

[neweurope]

23. The leaders of the axis of evil. Nice picture.

:puke:

[BattyDem]

4. But I thought it was only a couple of "bad apples"

:eyes: :grr:

[Mike Niendorff]

7. Two specific "bad apples":

George W. Bush
Dick Cheney

Among others.


MDN

[BattyDem]

8. LOL ... good point!

:toast:

[lebkuchen]

5. Well, it would have happened under Saddam anyway

so it doesn't make any difference, or so says a commander's spouse that I work with.

[BattyDem]

6. Are you serious???

Someone actually said that to you? Shit! WTF is wrong with the people in this country? When did we become a bunch of cold-hearted, blood-thirsty barbarians?!

I know the US has done some pretty nasty things in the past and I know there was always an element of our society that didn't give a damn about anyone else - but the American people as a whole were basically decent, compassionate and fair. At least I thought they were. Maybe I was naive. But damn ... it seems like so many "normal" people have suddenly decided that anyone who isn't a white, straight, Christian American is completely worthless. :-( Kill or torture a bunch of innocent Iraqis and nobody gives a shit, but destroy one embryo and they freak out! :grr:

[sr_pacifica]

10. It's nothing new

Give "the American people" a war and a foreign enemy to hate and they'll become as discompassionate, blood-thirsty and cold-hearted.

[BattyDem]

11. I've just never experienced it before.

I'm too young to remember Viet Nam and the Gulf War was over quickly, so there wasn't enough time for the country to go nuts. This is my first experience with "Barbaric America" and it really sucks! :-( :mad:

[saigon68]

13. You ain't seen nothing yet

Wait until Tanks roll down Penn Ave in DC to adoring crowds thrusting their right Arms in the air.

Fascism as the world has never known it


IS ABOUT TO ARRIVE

[0007]

15. I can hear the tanks coming down the street saigon68

[neweurope]

24. And so can I.

:(

[Lerkfish]

18. "four dead in O-hio" is coming to a city near you, soon.

those not old enough to have lived through the vietnam war don't remember this bloodlust, but I do. I remember the hate-filled references to "gooks" and "charlie", and the language of slaughtering them. I also remember vividly Kent State, and the attitude towards peace protestors.

we are almost there again. We are definitely there in regards to bloodlust, but I think the assasination of protestors has not happened...yet. Or maybe this time they will be simply "disappeared" and we won't hear about it, thanks to the patriot act.

[VegasWolf]

26. Heard that the loyal will be receiving armbands to wear so that they are

not mistaken for the swine.

[lebkuchen]

19. Dead serious

This is how our military spouses are justifying Iraqi deaths as a result of US occupation: Saddam would have caused those deaths anyway.

[leftchick]

12. God, this is UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

and sickening... :puke:

another link: http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=20D43324-E503-491F-9DC7-78C9E06B15B3

<snip>

Washington — Marines operating in Iraq over the last two years committed a variety of abuses against Iraqi prisoners, including burning a detainee's hands by igniting alcohol-based cleanser in August 2003, according to internal Defense Department documents released Tuesday.

Several other incidents, most of them previously undisclosed, are described in investigative reports and legal summaries. In Karbala in May 2003, one Marine held a 9 mm pistol to the back of a bound detainee's head while another took a photograph. Two months later, in Adiwaniyah, four Marines ordered teenage Iraqi looters to kneel alongside holes and then fired a pistol “to conduct a mock execution.”

In April of this year, shortly before the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal shook the U.S. military, three Marines in al Mahmudiya shocked a detainee with an electric transformer, forcing him to “dance” as the electricity hit him, according to a witness, one document states. The Washington Post reported that incident in June, after two of the Marines pleaded guilty in the case.

<snip>
The August 2003 burning incident, which occurred at Camp Dogwood, near al Iskandariyah, blistered the Iraqi detainee's hands and resulted in a special court martial in which a Marine was found guilty of assault, confined for 90 days and demoted. Other incidents resulted in similar punishments.

[melnjones]

14. another link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20041215/ts_nm/iraq_abuse_dc

[ze_dscherman]

16. Sentences for those involved /Link to documents

From a locked duplicate thread:


German magazine Spiegel online reports that four soldiers that tortured the man with electro shocks (they "made him dance") got sentences between 60 days and 15 months.

In another case, a soldier had ignited alcohol on the hands of an Iraqi, who suffered second degree burns. That guy got 30 days (only).

Source (German only): http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,332886,00....


ACLU news on the incidents: http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=1720...

Documents on abuses/torture obtained by ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/

[auburngrad82]

17. Seems like only yesterday when the Bush admin was saying it was

"isolated cases" and not widespread abuse. I heard on NPR that the government has over 10,000 pages of documents related to abuse cases at Abu Gharaib. Does that sound like isolated cases?

[lebkuchen]

20. The front page of the Stars and Stripes a week ago

reported some soldier getting three years for a "mercy" killing of an Iraqi teen, as though our soldiers were now doing the Iraqis a favor by killing them "mercifully."

You can't make this propaganda up.

[leftchick]

27. It was/is happening All Over in Iraq....

These people are fucking warped. Can you imagine being married to someone capable of these acts??


<snip>

Washington — Marines operating in Iraq over the last two years committed a variety of abuses against Iraqi prisoners, including burning a detainee's hands by igniting alcohol-based cleanser in August 2003, according to internal Defense Department documents released Tuesday.

Several other incidents, most of them previously undisclosed, are described in investigative reports and legal summaries. In Karbala in May 2003, one Marine held a 9 mm pistol to the back of a bound detainee's head while another took a photograph. Two months later, in Adiwaniyah, four Marines ordered teenage Iraqi looters to kneel alongside holes and then fired a pistol “to conduct a mock execution.”

In April of this year, shortly before the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal shook the U.S. military, three Marines in al Mahmudiya shocked a detainee with an electric transformer, forcing him to “dance” as the electricity hit him, according to a witness, one document states. The Washington Post reported that incident in June, after two of the Marines pleaded guilty in the case.

<snip>
The August 2003 burning incident, which occurred at Camp Dogwood, near al Iskandariyah, blistered the Iraqi detainee's hands and resulted in a special court martial in which a Marine was found guilty of assault, confined for 90 days and demoted. Other incidents resulted in similar punishments.

[sidpleasant]

21. I wonder what happened to the children locked up at Abu Ghraib

Articles from the foreign press (notably German media) about the number of children in Abu Ghraib were the subject of several big threads here earlier this year. According to the articles the AG guards did absolutely horrific stuff to the kids to get their parents to confess such as stripping and fondling a teenage girl while her father had to listen to her screams. Of course nothing ever appeared in the US media about those reports. There were also stories that the 3000 photos from Abu Ghraib that were shown to Congress but not released to the public showed atrocities such as American soldiers committing homosexual rape of Iraqi prisoners. A mere nine months later it's as if the whole Abu Ghraib scandal never happened at all.

[livinginphotographs]

22. You have to wonder about something.

This can't possibly be the first war where tactics like this were used by American troops.

Oh, but I'm sure it's our freedoms they hate us for.

[neweurope]

25. Yessssssssssssssssssssssss