Insurgents infiltrating coalition, US says

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2004/12/25/insurgents_infiltrating_coalition_us_says/

WASHINGTON -- Iraqi insurgents and their informants have been infiltrating US and coalition organizations, Iraqi security units, and political parties in growing numbers, posing a daunting challenge to efforts to defeat the guerrillas and create a stable Iraqi state, according to US military officials, Iraq specialists, and a new study of Iraqi security forces.

Officials in Baghdad insist they are putting systems in place to review new recruits for the Iraqi security forces and Iraqi and foreign workers who mingle daily with large numbers of American and allied troops. Yesterday, US authorities announced that a new assessment team will conduct a wide-ranging probe into security lapses at US and Iraqi government facilities.

But the apparent suicide attack that killed 21 people inside a US Army base in northern Iraq this week brought home what US officials have quietly been warning for months: insurgents in Iraq, including Iraqis and foreign fighters, are increasingly operating within their midst.

And in many cases, they appear to be gathering better intelligence on US military movements and the activities of the new Iraqi government than coalition forces are gathering on guerrilla plans.

''Penetration of Iraqi security and military forces may be the rule, not the exception," according to a draft version of a study of Iraqi security forces by a senior Pentagon consultant.

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[acmavm]

1. Well I'll be damned! Who'd have thunk them A-rabs would be so

smart?

Just because they've been putting up with this shit for almost a thouand or so years, it's amazing that they finally figured it out.

<sacrasm off>

[Deja Q]

21. And we call the repukes stupid too.

Notice how the left keeps moving right with every passing year too? :tinfoilhat:

[truthisfreedom]

2. sigh. i think nightmare is becoming too weak a word to describe the

debacle in Iraq.

[LibertyorDeath]

19. Your White House x-mas card Is Killer

Thanks for the laugh :)

[bvar22]

3. Viet Nam redux!

Those who do not learn from history.....

[Algorem]

4. MSM take on it:Coalition Forces Increasing

[VegasWolf]

5. Awol: "Bring em on!" Iraqi freedom fighters "Okay!"

[luaneryder]

6. Imagine that! n/t

[Bouncy Ball]

7. For months I have been

wondering (and hoping NOT) if there would be something like what happened in Granada to those Marines who were killed in their bunks.

Then the mess hall thing happened and I thought "Oh no, here we go."

I am hoping against hope it doesn't get worse, but I fear it will.

Did the bushies REALLY think it would be so easy? Really??? Could they be that stupid or did they just not care?

[ally_sc]

14. they don't care, they've never cared

and now there is talk about syria...:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[sonicx]

8. We harbor 'terrorists,' we'll have to attack ourselves...

good thing Bush doesn't negotiate with himself.

[Career Prole]

9. Q. Well how can we tell 'em apart? Insurgents look like normal Iraqis!

A. You can't tell them apart because the insurgents are normal Iraqis.

Now that you understand what you've gotten yourself into, shrub...how about getting the troops the hell out of there.. :grr:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. Insurgents are to wear blue ribbons starting next week and terrorists are

to wear green ones. That should simlify things. Iraqis avenging the death of their loved ones (numbering in the thousands both from GulfI and this fiasco) are to wear both green and blue.

[The Magistrate]

10. Unintended Comedy Is The Best Kind, My Friend

There is no "may be" about it: insurgent penetration of the servants' quarters of the occupying soldiery, of the forces of the puppet regime the occupiers set up, and of any political parties the occupier allows to function publicly, is and always has been the rule in such situations. It is charming to see a three year old discover something old and obvious, but rather distressing to see career officials and officers of an imperial power doing the same in their late middle age.

"How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Politicians tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read."

[LynnTheDem]

11. IRAQIS infiltrating IRAQI cops! IRAQIS infiltrating IRAQI political

parties! IRAQIS infiltrating IRAQI security units!

How CUNNING of them!

:eyes:

[Dover]

12. They act like they weren't warned about this problem in the run up to this

invasion. I'm sure they were briefed...

[Rochambeau]

13. Like in VietNam again....

"they appear to be gathering better intelligence on US military movements and the activities of the new Iraqi government than coalition forces are gathering on guerrilla plans."


It reminds me the old vietnamese proverb...

"When ten GI's go out patrolling the Vietcong knows it. When ten thousand vietcong soldiers are manoeuvering the US Army ignores it".

[cosmicdot]

15. as a side story: how much has Rumsfeld 'contracted out' to consultants???

to tell him (advise) such things as:

'Penetration of Iraqi security and military forces may be the rule, not the exception," according to a draft version of a study of Iraqi security forces by a senior Pentagon consultant.

and, why has he let these contracts, other than to fatten fat cat friends of the White House's pockets??

anyhow, he has the whole Pentagon plus the neocon Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee at his disposal ... yank Dan Quayle off the golf course to go 'fact find' ... http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Defense_Policy_Board


meanwhile ...


"Rumsfeld: Iraqis Must Defeat Insurgency - Rumsfeld tells U.S. troops in Iraq that defeating insurgency is an Iraqi, not American problem"

~snip~His main message over a four-city tour was quite different: that the insurgency has staying power and a seemingly endless supply of weapons, and the time has come for ordinary Iraqis to realize that they not the Americans will ultimately decide who prevails in this conflict. ~snip~
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1098579

so, with the 'insurgents' infiltrating 'the coalition' and, now, it's Iraqi's problem to defeat the insurgents ... do the 'insurgents' turn themselves in to ... themselves?

is this paving the way for an exit strategy? :shrug:
or it's just a Rumsfeld Riddle of knowns and unknowns?

"`I always lie' is a paradox because if it is true it must be false"

are we falling upwards yet?

[0007]

16. junior didn't have a vision?

[Lostnote03]

17. NO Logistics/Plenty of Strategery???

.......The U.S. Civilian Award winner P.Brenner left his legacy intake as the casualties mount......The "velvet purging" of our State/CIA Dept officials alongside the ever encroaching State power always at our doorstep one wonders, oh nevermind....

[NYC]

20. Outsourcing.

..Iraqi and foreign workers who mingle daily with large numbers of American and allied troops...

What are these Iraqi and foreign workers doing that American soldiers couldn't do? They may work for $1 a day, but is it good for security?

I have always wondered why foreign embassies hire locals as cleaning staff. Yes, it must be expensive to pay salary, room, board, transportation for an American scullery maid to be sent to Mali, France, Iraq, but isn't it less risky? Cheapskates.