US Marine shot by police after killing transsexual prostitute

[fryguy]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/uscrimemarine

Police in Los Angeles shot a US Marine to death after he allegedly killed a transsexual prostitute, officers said.

The active-duty Marine shot the prostitute after picking her up in Hollywood believing she was a woman, the Los Angeles Times said.

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no word if PTSD played a role, but i'm thinking its a maybe at least....

[goforit]

1. Insanity?...Yah, right.

[DU9598]

2. PTSD or ...

the anti-gay propoganda inherent in the ranks of the US military which allowed innocent gay enlistees to be targets of harassment or worse.

[fryguy]

11. just wasn't sure about ptsd

since there wasn't mention of whether he had been in iraq or afghanistan....in which case it would be the anti-gay sentiment in the military combined with a likely predisposition for violence....

[jdj]

41. no where is there proof the gender was the motive for murder

I don't find that in the article...in the last paragraph the article contradicts the headline.

Since a nat'l guard guy from my town (Monroe, NC) just got sentenced for killing an Iraqi soldier after consensual sex, I'd say that they need to make their case for the motive better instead of editorializing without proof. A witness saw the guy dump the body, but that's the only corroboration of anything.

[The Magistrate]

3. Good Work By The Police, Sir

The murder of prostitutes, of whatever gender, is not generally taken seriously enough, and there is some grim pleasure in seeing "rough justice" occur so quickly in such an instance.

[VegasWolf]

6. The guy was brandishing a gun. The LAPD won't take chances

in a situation like that.

[TexasBushwhacker]

60. This was a clean one for LAPD

It says they fired several beanbag rounds and he still wouldn't drop his gun.

On another note, I will say that it seems like more men are fooled by transvestites than women. A real woman can spot a real woman and she can spot a fake.

[xultar]

4. They will blame Iraq & PTSD

What really happened...he got angry @ himself cuz he was attracted to a tranny and killed her.

Here's what I don't get. With all the soldiers coming back with PTSD the ones who really are suffering will be clouded by the ones who play suffered to get off from legimitate crimes.

[Solly Mack]

7. I agree

Long before this person joined the marines and went off to iraq, he grew up in a country that has shown great scorn and disdain for the GLBT community.

[xultar]

17. Which is why I wonder why they are so shocked about the torture

and atrocities over in Iraq. They do not test these guys psychologically as well as they could. So good soldiers will be tainted by the psychopaths we sent over.

[kodi]

56. yeap.

he just freaked out when he realized he liked like chicks with dicks.

[idiosyncratic]

5. I'm so sad for the murder of the transsexual . . .

But I am glad the police acted so swiftly and decisively. It saved the taxpayers money on the trial . . . if it had ever made it to court.

That would have been an ugly, ugly case.

[xultar]

18. He would have gotten off...I can bet you that. n/t

[bettyellen]

8. he might not have known it was a tranny- a lot of them are prettier than

a lot of women. at least in nyc and la. there are lots of chicks with dicks around, and they make a fime living giving bj's and a lot of guys never know the difference. those implants work like magic on horny men! sounds like he mighta groped a bit and was shocked! pretty f'ing naive of him, i would say, but not necessarily gay.

[VegasWolf]

13. I seen some knock dead gorgeous ones. Heck, if it were 2:00 and the bar

was closing, who knows.

[bettyellen]

19. between electrolysis and implants and cosmetic surgery it can be

impossible to tell! i guess if he was a smal town boy he might not have heard of this. but you know, if you let a total stranger go down on you, you gotta be prepared they may not be your dream date!!

[VegasWolf]

23. He should'a boned up on the movies first. n/t

[bettyellen]

26. true... there's: paris is burning, the last seduction..... what else?

[VegasWolf]

28. "Something's wrong with my TV?" n/t

[tblue37]

30. "The Crying Game" n/t

[idiosyncratic]

32. One of my most favorite movies. Also, "Boys Don't Cry." n/t

[jaysunb]

48. Yup ! You nailed it...

n/t

[saskatoon]

37. ...may not be your dream date

AND?

[bettyellen]

42. if you were homophobic enough and prone to violent outbursts.....

it could lead to this horrible result. i am not defending his actions at all, it just seems a lot of people here assumed he knew it was a guy, and it's way often not the case! i'm just saying that guys who are picking up streetwalkers for blowjobs ought to maybe get real about what's out there, and maybe be mentally fucking prepared that your letting a crack head, meth addict or tranny in your car if that ain't what you want. if you want someone with a vagina, you'd have to check that first or pay a lot more for an escort service. it sucks that this guy may have been so naive on top of being a losse fucking cannon. not a good combination. if he didn't have his head up his ass, he might have thought it through before he put himself in a situation like that.

[jaysunb]

51. You win the prize !!!

This appears to be correct in all ways.

[bettyellen]

55. I have met more than one man who was fooled! Luckily they could laugh.....

about it later. Better to live to laugh another day!!
I pretty much attribute all violence to ignorance or brain damage and the huge grey area in between!

[jaysunb]

58. I think my face is turning red.... LOL

I wasn't laughing right then, but years later it brings a pretty good belly laugh !

[saskatoon]

36. who knows

you just gave me my first laugh of the day!Cheers

[MockSwede]

34. SHOCK

I'll bet it was such a shock and affront to his 'manliness' that he could be attracted to a male.

Must have just shriveled his nuts.

No way he could allow a 'dink' to live that fooled him into thinking he was a SHE to the point up to sex.

Some macho dinks just cannot handle the middle ground of androgyny, let alone a 'complete male' working in live as a transsexual.

Look at the response toward popular 'artistic' folks such as David Bowie and Marilyn Manson and the Currie fellow in Rocky Horror Picture Show! Glam queens.

For a good, funny movie about cross dressing check out "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" One of the actors was Elrond in the Lord of the Rings movies of late.

Some folks like girly girls and some like girly men (Ahnold!) and some like manly girls and some like manly men....makes the world go round and round.

Still just people looking for their place in it and their way through it.

[radwriter0555]

44. The only really visible hookers in this area are the shemales.. at

La Brea and Santa Monica Blvd. The street walking chick trade has pretty much moved to the valley.

Chances are really good he was unpleasantly surprised and snapped.

[bettyellen]

47. snapped for sure - that was my point, he was an ignorant sap who

could have been a little more wary and saved two lives if he hadn't been avoiding them scary "fag" movies all his life. ignorance is dangerous for a lot of reasons!

[alexisfree]

9. he must think he is still in iraq

[LibertyorDeath]

10. He could have opened the car door & told him\her to get out

but NO!

What % of US Marines placed in the same situation would choose murder over opening the car door?

[hyphenate]

14. The male ego

at work.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. If that happened to me, I would only wonder if there was a surcharge

Best of both worlds....




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[LibertyorDeath]

39. LOL

"If that happened to me, I would only wonder if there was a surcharge' :)

[NNN0LHI]

15. This sounds like suicide by police to me

The Marine knew he was going to get aired out by the cops if he didn't drop the weapon. Wish they could have captured and locked him up until he was old and gray for his crime. Now there is a cop out there that had to kill someone and he will have to live with that the rest of his life. No good news in this story.

Don

[fryguy]

21. interesting point

hadn't considered that, but it does make sense....horrible that he had to take another life in the process....

[caligirl]

16. If that were Blackwell, then the fraud would be in MSM n/t

[amber dog democrat]

20. Somehow I am not surprised.

None of the Marines I knew acted like that to my knowledge, but it still makes me wonder just how balanced some of these people are.

[Democrats_win]

22. Marine must have lost it. Who knows why.

Probably not suicide--just another knee-jerk reaction by an American who didn't think.

[idiosyncratic]

25. Like those guys who killed Matthew Shepard.

At least they didn't get away with their crime, but this guy might have, being a marine and all.

[VegasWolf]

27. Especially if he could have gotten the trial moved to Orange County!n/t

[Democrats_win]

31. Matthew Shepard's case took time suggesting real intent to kill

The possiblity that the Marine's conditioning for killing played a part in the crime and that it occurred quickly makes me cautious about putting it into the league of pure evil like the Shepard case.

[davidinalameda]

24. he could have used the gay panic defense

and probably got off

it happens all the time

it just happened around SF a few months ago

[idiosyncratic]

33. You are kidding. "Gay panic?"

SHEESH!! How horrible. Why can men use that defense?

I bet I couldn't have used a defense like that if I killed some guy who propositioned me when I wasn't interested.

[davidinalameda]

35. I'm just stating the truth

gay panic is seen by some as a legitimate defense in these cases

[idiosyncratic]

38. Sorry . . . I didn't mean to sound like I disbelieved you.

I just can't believe such a defense would be considered legitimate.

What, the male ego is so fragile that they get a free pass if a guy propositions them?


That just makes me ill. :puke:

Meanwhile, women who were abused by their husbands for years are sitting in prison for finally killing the bastards.

:cry:

[marcologico]

29. Well he just made his family rich

If he has any relatives, they're looking at a couple of million, more if they get a lawyer. LAPD is one big ATM that way.

[donheld]

40. The marine got what he deserved

the fool had no right to kill the person whether or not he knew she was a tranny.

[Nevernose]

43. Could you be confusing PTSD with homophobia?

Police could not immediately confirm that the Marine shot the prostitute after discovering he had picked up a transsexual.

In LAPD-speak, that means "yes."

[AllyCat]

52. sounds like a homophobe to me. n/t

[ucmike]

45. just another maniac

this may have happened with this guy if he was a doctor, lawyer, indian chief, alcoholic sitting at a bar.

its only newsworthy because he was usmc and there happens to be a war. i've known 10 guys who this could happen to and none were marines.

[ucmike]

50. PS: don't rambo this guy

i rememeber growing up that vietnam vets were stereotyped as "ticking time bombs" and they were "no longer able to live by societal rules". we imagined each and every one as a rambo-ish outsider, distanced from the mainstream society he had left behind, waiting to explode and take us all with him...all very dramatic and wrong. sure many suffered from ptsd, but most suffered in silence, or went on with their lives without incident.

our neighborhood had several vietnam vets, including my dad. the kids in my age group assumed my dad was nuts, because they saw movies where vietnam vets were nuts. they assumed that about all of the dads who had been there. meanwhile, dad plugged along, all the dads did. no violence, no anti-govt ranting, no dropping out, no barricades or russian roullete. finally, no tranny killing. there may have been much personal angst and issues, but not a rambo in the bunch.

don't feed the stereotype, just because this guy may have been in iraq doesn't mean thats what made him violent.

[brentspeak]

46. "And where did Lee Harvey Oswald learn to shoot a rifle?"

"Sir! In the Marine Corps, sir!"

"That's right; in the Marine Corps. And when you are done here, you will ALL be able to do the same thing!"

(from "Full Metal Jacket")

Not excusing what this guy did, but he was, in fact, programmed to kill.

[ucmike]

53. "programmed to kill"???

he may have been, but not in downtown LA because a bj went bad. the guy was a fucking mess and generalizations like that make it that much harder for the rest of the troops to come home and have a normal life.

there is no info on who he was or what he did. for all we now he went through basic and sat at a desk for 25 years ordering snack food for vending machines.

according to that logic, every time a marine gets in a tense situation his only resort is to start killing.
fender bender....killing
overdraft at the bank....killing
forgot to set clock for daylight savings....killing.


stop with the stereotypes.
"all marines are killers"
"they're just waiting to explode"
"they can't help themselves, killing is what they know"

[brentspeak]

54. I apologize if I went too far with that line of thought

I know some marines, and they're pretty well put together. But even they admit that the "kill! kill! kill!" mentality is definitely not good brainfood for a minority of recruits.

[Megahurtz]

49. jeeeezz!

The guy should have already known he might discover something like this sooner or later, if he chooses to pick somebody up.

[Straight Shooter]

61. I nominate your answer as the winner.

[catnhatnh]

57. Holy Cow!!!

...the replies posted here are among the most stereotypical I've ever seen at DU.A fairly straightforward (if not fully revealing) news story is posted and in a 50/50 split some wandered off into the sexual mores of TV's and it's effect on straight men,while most others wandered off on the Marine=Killer=PTSD memes...And no one even bothered to ask the REAL relevant question here-if they had time for beanbag guns here (as stated) then why the HELL no taser here! It's been disappointing to see so many DUer's whom I respect so much fly off to the meretricious delights of prejudging this story and so few analyze the important themes below the surface....

[0007]

59. A guy can get fucked just so many times before he snaps.

Who knows what the real situation was? Their both dead now!