Bush Asks Judge to Toss Ohio Election Suit

[Judi Lynn]

Bush Asks Judge to Toss Ohio Election Suit

4 minutes ago

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign asked the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court on Monday to throw out a challenge of the election in this swing state, saying the case resembles "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

The court filing was made as the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) held a rally before hundreds of people in Columbus to support the challenge and urge the U.S. Senate to debate Ohio's results on Thursday when Congress is in joint session for the official tally of the electoral votes.

Thirty-seven Ohio voters who filed the challenge are asking Chief Justice Thomas Moyer to set aside the election results. Some of the voters are suspicious of Bush's victory over Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), while others say hours-long waits in heavily black neighborhoods caused voters to leave in frustration without casting a ballot.

"In 2000, if Al Gore (news - web sites) had just held on and fought to the bitter end, he would have been president," said Mark Lomax, a black Columbus musician challenging the vote. "I kind of have the same feeling now — whether or not you like John Kerry, that's not the issue. It's just that your vote counts."
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=696&e=1&u=/ap/20050104/ap_on_el_pr/ohio_vote

[Deja Q]

1. Oh, that's real mature and diplomatic of *.

What else is new? His deeds are the opposite of what he says.

[mefoolonhill]

30. recount

A big part of the reason the R's don't want any lawsuits or recounts in Ohio is that it will expose the fact that the election was actually very close, and there is no fucking mandate. If the GOP has to get down in the trenches and scrap over 50,000 votes, it will become clear to the nation that the mandate is nonexistent.

[electric-eye]

2. They're really relying on that "conspiracy theory" tp, aren't they?

[zann725]

78. Unfortunately (for Bushco), sometimes Truth is stranger than fiction.

And just saying something is not, doesn't make it so. Though in the past, that's all they've ever had to do...simply deny something.

Well, no longer...the party is over, Repugs! And in honor of the Ukraine election, we've arranged for some nicely-fitting Orange prison suits for you.

[UpInArms]

3. "Who cares what you think" GWB 7/4/01 ......... eom

[SpiralHawk]

4. My favorite BushSpeak:

"a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

Har, har, har. They are a laff riOT.

[peacetalksforall]

14. Yeah, I thought I heard that he was an early to bed kind of guy.

His Party sure came up with a lot of conspiracy theories regarding the Clintons and Gore in the 90's.

[Pam-Moby]

5. Amen Mark Lomax

This time we are not giving up.

[Tace]

6. Yeah Man, It's A Regular Night Of The Living Dead...

Only we're the good guys.

[ecoalex]

7. Bus*is a Scarey Movie

bus* scares the hell out of me.

[Botany]

8. They are getting nervous

We have the facts.

:kick:

[AgadorSparticus]

15. that was my very first thought too after reading this. they are NERVOUS!

otherwise they wouldn't even be talking about it--much less come out so defensively and so determined to marginalize this effort. i especially like this: "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie." thou doth protest too much. thank you bush for giving me hope on this movement.

[pdxmom]

70. Nervous looks about right to me, too.

I don't think that "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie" is actually a legal argument. That type of language isn't usual, in the memoranda and motions I've seen. Kind of reminds me of the personal attacks used in the FOX news suit against Al Franken....and we know where that one went.

[Straight Shooter]

71. I have never ever seen such verbiage in a legal pleading

"a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie"

That was included as fodder for the MSM pundits, especially those on Faux News.

It's the one line they want everyone to be quoting. You just can't beat that dead conspiracy horse long enough, can you? The self-serving bastards are still fighting dirty in this tainted election.

I guess my response to that will be that there's no theory about it, they colluded in a scheme to disenfranchise the voters. Those who were not collaborators were at the least complicit with their winks and nudges. After all, the ends justifies the means.

[pdxmom]

72. The never-ending sound bite

And I still haven't figured out why so many people fall for that, and never look any deeper. I had thought it was laziness, but I'm starting to think that it's an incapability to think deeper than whatever is spoon-fed in short sentences.

It would be interesting to see the court's response to that one, if they'd do it on the record. Generally, they don't like to see the courts used that way.

[Borgnine]

79. The word triggers a pavlovian response in some people...

...to instantly shut off their brains, lest they be thought of as a "nut." It's the same thing they've done to the word liberal in recent years.

[corbett]

23. Their Trepidation Leads To Errors

By asking for a summary dismissal, they open the door for the bulk of the damning evidence to be introduced!

Can't Wait For That!

[jsascj]

9. I HATE HIM...

I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him.


Oh and did I mention that I HATE HIM!

[jaime_176]

22. jsascj ---not as much as I do

It is so horrible to have these tremendously negative feelings for anyone. I wish I didn't feel this way...it doesn't do anyone any good, least of all me. But, I can't help it, because he is who he is and does what he does and he just offends my sense of goodness, rightness, and justice. He creates an imbalance in the harmony of my universe, and I resent it.

[jsascj]

27. Yes!

You put it much more articulately than I could. But that's EXACTLY it.

[wtmusic]

45. He is evil incarnate

everything that is evil about man. He is manipulative, dishonest, greedy, corrupt.

[jaime_176]

46. He's certainly not a kind man.

But the worst thing is that he doesn't care to learn, doesn't want to know, and doesn't seem to feel anything for others. He seems to lack the ability to self-reflect or self-correct. I think he must be severely brain damaged. I do not know how anyone can consider him to be likable when he hurts so many persons around the world. How can people think he is likable, macho, Christian??

[wtmusic]

51. Insecurity

will not allow him to admit a fault. So obvious that he is aware of his own shortcomings, and all the more inept because of his inability to address them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

69. And,

Condescending, arrogant, an all around Major League A$$hole.

[aikido15]

54. LOL...

WE ALL HATE HIM!!!

[driver8]

57. Ditto!! n/t

[PinkPantherChick]

64. DON'T WE ALL???

Me too!! Let's make up some kind of chant and imagine the oval office full of democrats!:toast:

[EFerrari]

10. Why does he think godless liberal elites can't take a little

name calling?

lol

Speaking of East Coast Liberal Elites, Hormiga is from CT, rich and very liberal with our money. He should just smirk while he's ahead.

[AmerDem]

11. repukes should all be lined up!

I'm getting so sick of where this country is headed. The breaking point will eventually come!

[joeunderdog]

80. At least Shrub had the balls (gall) to take a stand.

John Kerry, are you listening?

[jus_the_facts]

12. you can bet yer ass if he's a repuke then it'll get thrown OUT....

.....*ush KNOWS he's got the *R* judges in his back pocket! :eyes:

[Bethany Rockafella]

13. Fuck Bush!

And his supporters!

[babsbunny]

17. Please

Tell me they can't get away with this! I am back from the Rally here in Columbus, my hands are hurting from clapping so much! But I didn't come away feeling any more secure. We have to think of a way to punish anyone who is not backing this voter fraud up. In the rally, they passed around a dollar bill that had Ohio voter fraud written on it, and said we should write this on our bills.

[Cookie wookie]

36. Maybe put "Ohio election fraud"

I'm heading for my dollars with a pen right now.

[aikido15]

56. Really, that is a GREAT idea!

[aikido15]

55. I like that idea!

How was the rally? I want to go to the one in DC this week but already going to the inauguation protest...I'm glad you were there! Were there a lot of people?

[babsbunny]

68. Rally

It was a full house. 800 or more. I don't do political things. Never go to rallies. It was awesome! I feel I have been called for some reason, I wonder if anyone feels the same way. I think the Universe is trying to move us, We The People, in the right direction! I hope we are listening!

[peacetalksforall]

16. Be Ready...Storm Warning. The Media is gearing up because they are.

implicated.

So now is the time to study up.

Glued on folowers and swallowers to Bush's lapels have their marching orders - make fun of Dems, Jackson, Kerry, and everyone else. The alliterations to other conspiracies will be abundant. They're polishing up their sneers and guffaws.

Now is the time to polish up on the facts. Which thread has the simplest and most comprehensive list of thefts.

They stole in the months BEFORE the election, ON the day of election, and AFTER the election - with and without machines and in spite of the types of machines. The scope of theft was amazing - from hiding 39 voting machines in a warehouse on Nov 2 to "forgetting this and forgetting that", "from losing this and losing that", from technicians who set, reset, loaded, and connived on behalf of PRIVATE corporate owners of the machines whose owners are Republicans, including a Senator (Hagel), from idiot voting officials, from lock-out, from refusal to give access, from refusal to recount, from selective answers, from being unavailable, from "intentional" incorrect information given to citizens. With Black-Americans being targeted most of the time with the most horrendous of lies and denials.

Then there are the accomplices to the theft - CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS and the two poll companies they contracted with who adjusted poll numbers to match the theft, then all of them lied about it.

Yes, please be ready. And please list the best condensations of cheating in Ohio.

[goclark]

18. Let's get ready to rumble!!

When the Supreme Court "paid for" judge makes his fair amd unbalanced decision will we roll over and say yessa boss like 2000 or will we MARCH and keep up the challenge!

The Bully approach has always worked for BushCrooks because everyone backs down.

When will the fair and balanced judge make his mighty ruling? Will it be in the dead of night inside a white robe with holes for eyes or will he stand for justice?

[PinkPantherChick]

65. Draw your swords and stand firm, dems! Kill the repug Orcs!

Let's fight them like the miserble bunch of Orcs that they really are. (Okay, I liked the movie.)

[ally_sc]

19. that really makes me ill...eom

[evolvenow]

20. The movie that will be made about B*sh and Co will be called "Treason"!!

May be time for a Global Gas-out. $$$ and oil are the only things they care about.

[librechik]

21. But he's got nothing to hide

Not even his insider connections to various Supreme Court Justices.
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=501

[lovuian]

24. Is that legal for a President to step in on a lawsuit

I thought he was head of the Military not the Ohio Supreme court!!!

Bush is a little nervous!!!

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[goforit]

38. LOL!!...Hello grays4u!!!.....You know law???

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[Disturbed]

28. It wasn't the Silverspoon Socipath personaly...

asking, it was one of his handlers. He isn't that creative to
make that statement. If this bozo wasn't worried they would not be asking.

[flaminbats]

77. no conflict of interest intended...

Bush is never criticized for being too involved for his personal benefit, but Kerry has not been praised for remaining neutral in a case which effects him directly.

When will Democrats ever learn?

[wicket]

29. "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

Nice excuse :eyes: Why not just ignore it if it only amounts to a conspiracy theory? :eyes:

[Patchuli]

40. I agree

Bush only opens his mouth when he's worried. Otherwise, it's
on 'ignore.'

[SoCalDem]

31. Too little, too late I'm afraid...

The media has long ago moved "off this story" (as if they were EVER on it).. The public has accepted to re-installation.

The time for ranting and raving and screaming and hollering, and lwasuits was the day after the election..

Too much time has passed, and not many people even care anymore.

Kerry never seemed particularly interested, and that's a sure sign it was "never gonna happen"..

It pisses me off to no end that no one listened to us BEFORE...when it could have mattered...and now it's too late to make a difference..

We have been had...yet again.. That's THREE IN A ROW.!!:cry:

[Sleepless In NY]

32. So all bush has to do is ask? Yet our reps can't protest?

You would think this would wake some Democratic senators up, wouldn't you?

[SoCalDem]

34. Yes, but in true-to-form nature, they have all "moved on".

It annoys me to no end that they beg for money and assistance from us, and yet they are all to ready to just say.. "Ho-hum, no biggie..let's move on...better luck next time"...Perhaps it's BECAUSE it's not their money.. Most of them still have their highpay jobs, regardless of the outcome, so nothing much changes for THEM..

[merwin]

41. Think poker though... You could call early and get a little, or let things

gather up and gain a lot.

[wicket]

33. Rate this UP

It's being freeped!

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

35. Interesting analogy there...

since in just about every conspiracy theory movie ever made, it turned out there really *was* a conspiracy.

[goforit]

42. With outTin foil hatters the lightbulb would never of been invented.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

66. says the man whose family is ass deep in some of the biggest

conspiracies of the 20th century.

so now, people wha assert their rights are conspiracy nuts?

[ashmanonar]

92. indeed

con·spir·a·cy     P   Pronunciation Key  (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

2. A group of conspirators.

3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

the·o·ry     P   Pronunciation Key  (th-r, thîr)
n. pl. the·o·ries
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.

3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.

4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.

5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.

6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

fresh off of dictionary.reference.com

so if bush says that this is a conspiracy theory, he is in fact admitting to there being a conspiracy to steal these elections...in other words, he's just implicated himself!

(the bolds are mine)

[goforit]

37. Oooooooooooo!!!...........Bush is gett'n a little nervous ,eh?

[rainbow4321]

39. Yeah..."bad movie"...story of his whole fuckin' regime

Well, chimphead, at one point in time 9/11 would have been considered a far fetched horror movie (planes into the Towers? yeah, right) and the Asian tragedy would have been a sci-fi movie plot that was too outrageous to happen (oh, please.... 150,000 + dead? 3000-5000 missing Americans? US president not returning from vacation? Thousands of orphans....)

[wtmusic]

44. I thought there was a system of fucking CHECKS AND BALANCES

this is so outrageous I want to scream.

GET YOUR FUCKING GRUBBY PAWS OUT OF THE COURTS YOU ASSHOLE!

[driver8]

58. There was a system of "checks and balances"...

It worked pretty well for awhile, too. However, that system seems to be long gone and I don't think we'll be seeing it again for quite some time.

I really fucking hate George Bush.

[dolstein]

47. The Big Lie: "If Gore had just held on and fought to the bitter end . . .

. . . he would have been president."

Bull shit. Bull friggin shit.

The fact is, the Gore campaign would have been laughed out of court if they had tried to convince the Florida Supreme Court that, notwithstanding the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Bush v. Gore, the Florida recount should continue.

Second, even if they somehow convinced the Florida Supreme Court that the U.S. Supreme Court is not, in fact, the higest court in the land, the U.S. Supreme Court would have immediately overturned any Florida Supreme Court order to the contrary. And the decision would have been unanimous.

Third, the Florida state legislature would have passed it's own slate of electors if there were any possibility of the recount continuing.

Fourth, the Republicans controlled enough state delegations in the House to ensure that Bush would have been elected president in the event of a dispute over Florida's electors.

If the left actually wanted to be taken seriously in this country, they would stop peddling this crap.

[PaIndependent]

48. The only crap here is what you're full of

Fact: A full recount of all of the counties in Florida showed that Al Gore won. This recount was stopped by the Supreme Court, which had no jurisdiction to do so. As much as I didn't care for Al Gore, if he had known how much damage Bush was going to do to the country he might have fought harder.

You really should check your facts before you peddle this load of manure...

[dolstein]

61. I noticed you didn't refute any of my points . . .

You can shout all you want about the U.S. Supreme Court overstepping its bounds. But shouting wouldn't have undone its effect. If the left is angry at Gore for not whining enough about the outcome, fine. But don't suggest that he could have done anything to change the result once the Supreme Court decided as it did, but that simply isn't true.

[wtmusic]

52. Nonetheless Gore should have fought to the bitter end

if for no other reason than to make the public aware that FL law required a complete statewide recount. He didn't fight at all, and I'd bet my bottom dollar he regrets it to this day.

[dolstein]

62. That's a pretty friggin big nonetheless, ain't it?

So you argument is that even though it wouldn't have accomplished a damn thing, you still think Gore should have made a big fuss.

But the way, your suggestion that Gore didn't fight at all is completely bogus. He fought every step of the way, including to the supreme court. What appears to upset the left is that Gore had the good sense to realize the game was over when the Supreme Court ruled against him. The left prefers to fight losing battles long past the point of futility. By throwing the towel in, Gore showed that he wasn't one of "them."

[wtmusic]

73. Gore caved

"His team was divided, with some advisers arguing Wednesday morning that the Supreme Court had left a window open to an appeal. These aides said it was up to the Florida Supreme Court to determine whether Tuesday was a flexible deadline for assigning state electors, and they suggested the state court could order recounts completed by Dec. 18, when the Electoral College meets.

A legal brief had been prepared making that case to the Florida courts, but Gore ruled out using it."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/gore_decides.htm

He caved, in probably the most important election in US history. What appears to delight the right is the left's most gracious willingness to appease them.

[grasswire]

53. crap? crap?

There is a Constitutional remedy for flawed elections. It's this: the flawed state's electors are challenged by a congressman and a senator. Congress debates the matter, and then votes. It's simple.

The crap in 2000 was the intervention by the Supreme Court in a matter that abrogated the Constitution's brilliant deference to states' rights.

The 2000 election was decided through deceit, cronyism, racialism, the twisting of the formerly immutable rule of law, and the tainting of the judiciary for partisan gain.

Gore may not have survived the vote of Congress, had Florida's electors been challenged. But the Constitutional process devised by our Founding Fathers would have been followed to its conclusion -- and that would be an essential marker for future generations who may wonder what the hell did happen to America's reputed love of self-determination.

[dolstein]

63. "Gore may not have survived the vote of Congress . . . "

Not THAT'S an understatement. Why can't you simply admit the obvious -- that Gore lacked the votes to prevail in the House. Sure, in theory Lieberman might have become vice president in a 50/50 lame duck Congress, but in reality that wouldn't have happened.

[mutius]

81. what is the chimp worried about?

:think:

[old blue]

49. The lesson: If you're going to steal an election,

make sure you do so as part of a conspiracy. That way, even if someone exposes the entire plot down to the source code, it remains "just a conspiracy theory."

edit: Oh yeah, and make sure you own the press and judiciary branch.

[JMS825]

50. Maybe the election is not over

Seems this election may actually be challenged shame Kerry wants nothing to do with it....only way he will get support in 08 is if he speaks up thursday and challenges the vote

[Joe Chi Minh]

60. Sounds like you and your pals are really worried

by Kerry's plans for a New Deal for the American people: middle America as the general powerhouse of the economy, and consequently the "working man".

So short-sighted. Truly, everybody will be better off.

[Supersedeas]

59. calls for voting accountability amount to "late night conspiracy theories"

Don't you love Bush logic and Bush speak?

[stevenleser]

67. Ohio Recount: The Recount That Wasn't, a Chance to Reassure Voters Missed

Hello D/Uers, thought you might like this article I wrote. I've done several interviews of Ohio officials and published about six articles on the election. More are coming...

Ohio Recount: The Recount That Wasn't, a Chance to Reassure Voters Missed
http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Jan/EEN41daafcecb050.html">http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Jan/EEN41daafcecb050.html

[NYC]

75. Thanks for posting that link.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Judi Lynn]

83. If only more people were aware of the material you covered in your article

Thanks for posting it. Really makes one ill. Surely they can't carry on like this forever. So much must be changed before there's even a slight appearance of honesty.

Hope to see far, far more on this.


Welcome to D.U.

[stevenleser]

84. Thanks Judi Lynn, I will be releasing an article later today...

...that includes material from interviews I conducted with a legal expert on Ohio election law and the head counsel for the Kerry campaign in Ohio. The article will cover the issues in Ohio from a pure legal perspective as far as how they translate into a suit, whether the suit has merit, where it is likely to go (or not to go) etc.

[NYC]

74. If Bush can ask the judge to toss the case, Kerry can support the

congressional reps on January 6th. He has no excuse not to get involved.

[Dr Fate]

76. Like him or not, Bush is a fighter, unlike most of the top DEMS.

That's why he does so well- and thats why we lose.

He may be an idiot, but he is not afraid of a fight like we are.

[Redstone]

85. Yeah, Bush is some fighter...

when he knows his handlers have all the decks stacked / judges bought /deniability in place before he "makes his stand."

Other than that, he's a deserter chickenshit.

Redstone

[Supersedeas]

86. maybe you confuse the stinky finger for the brain that controls it

the Fighter is behind the curtain.

[proudbluestater]

82. Methinks he doth protest too much!!

Why would he dignify this with an official response if it were so worthless?

Chicken SHIAT!

[The Judged]

87. Any pictures of * with his tin-foil hat on?

[ashmanonar]

93. O.o

hmmm...does anyone sense a photoshop image?
i'll get to work on it...

[pinniped]

88. Funny, we didn't have all these irregularities and other shit until...

the piece of shit boy king came to town.

[tiedye]

89. Toss the democrats

Time to go Green you idiots. The Democratic party has played you for a fool. They are the Republicans. We have nothing to loose and everything to gain by going Green.

[babsbunny]

90. goin green

I am trying to make out my will and testiment. I want to just die, but maybe I'll go Green instead!

[Tomasj]

91. Agreed!! n/t