Small group of House Democrats to contest formal electoral vote count

[Der Blaue Engel]

Framed just as you'd expect it to be, citing such experts as "no one" and using passive voice assertions such as "proponents are considered unlikely to find a senator." True journalism is officially a lost art.

ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, January 4, 2005
16:04 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

A handful of House Democrats plan a long-shot effort to snarl President Bush's formal re-election by preventing Congress from counting Ohio's pivotal votes when lawmakers tally the electoral vote on Thursday.

No one expects the action to undo Bush's victory. Instead, it seems likely to do little more than call attention to Election Day voting irregularities, a growing frustration for Democrats who blamed similar problems in Florida for Bush's 2000 defeat of Democrat Al Gore.

In a measure of the dispute's political delicacy, proponents are considered unlikely to find a senator who will co-sign the objection, which is required to force Congress to act on the challenge. Most Democrats are reluctant to launch a serious effort to undo the election, in which Bush outpolled Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., by more than 3 million votes nationally.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2005/01/04/national1856EST0699.DTL

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Now will a Senator stand up and be counted?

[TroglodyteScholar]

2. Don't hold your breath.. (eom)

[babsbunny]

4. We were told

To call this # (202-224-3121) on the 6th, and lock up the Senators phone lines, but what time on the 6th would be best?

[Verve]

5. What Senators are we supposed to be calling? n/t

[elshiva]

17. Try the Senators of your own state

esp. if they are dems cos you will vote or will have voted for them. I'm blessed to live in MD with two great democrats as Senators. I called Mikulski and Sarbanes today and they are getting alot of calls about this. Keep praying.
Mikulski 202-224-4654
Sarbanes 202-224-4524

[purduejake]

26. 8AM

That's when the offices open and what other activists here in DC were telling me last night. Keep the phone calls going in!

[nashville_brook]

13. not if we don't call and email them!

now is the time to turn up the pressure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x232406

[DCdem87]

3. Because of course these people are masquerading

as real Democrats in the senate...but they sure as hell aren't acting like it.

[bread_and_roses]

6. If racism and disregard of low-income citizens were not so "normal"

in US affairs, the overwhelming evidence of the disenfranchisement of minority and low-income voters would be sufficient to declare the election invalid.

[Zhade]

16. Really important point, thanks for saying it!

NT!

[Nothing Without Hope]

21. Well said and all too true n/t

[Streetdoc270]

7. I'll say it once more....

We know that some congresspeople will contest, When you get an article about a Senator standing up with them that will be LBN, untill then its just a repeat of 2000

[Der Blaue Engel]

9. The fact that the MSM bothered to mention it at all

seemed to warrant LBN.

There are a lot of things that get posted here that "we" already know about. I thought it significant that it had hit my local San Francisco paper, even though, as near as I can tell, it has not covered the Boxer rally I went to yesterday despite an attendance of between 100-200 people.

There are so many sub-rules to the rules, I guess I'll never figure them out.

[Hotler]

8. Watch for the Chaney snarl...

he'll be "fuck you"-ing those guys out of the side of his mouth. Every Democrat in the room should turn their back through the whole vote count. I know I'm dreaming.

[hellbound-liberal]

10. I will become an ex-Democrat if no Senator will stand up

I have had it with the capitulation of the Corporately owned members of the U.S. Senate (including Kerry who I worked my ass off for!)I don't care if I am in the minority for the rest of my life, at least I will be fighting for something that I believe in.

[enough already]

11. Agreed

I'm tired of losing and continuing to bend over to these guys while they are perpetrating fraud is ridiculous.

[Tacos al Carbon]

12. Will you be joining the Greens

or another party or will you be an independent?

[Zhade]

18. I'll go Green. No balls, Dems? Then I'll work to replace you.

You will have fully earned my rage.

[Rainscents]

25. I'll go GREEN also!!!

I had enough of DEM...If they don't stand up tomorrow!!!

[NYC]

14. Can Kerry support them?

...In a measure of the dispute's political delicacy, proponents are considered unlikely to find a senator who will co-sign the objection, which is required to force Congress to act on the challenge. Most Democrats are reluctant to launch a serious effort to undo the election, in which Bush outpolled Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., by more than 3 million votes nationally...

I know Gore didn't, but Kerry ought to have learned something from that.

[Nothing Without Hope]

22. I've heard Kerry will be traveling outside the country.

If there are no senators -- which remains to be seen -- then as far as I'm concerned, Kerry is just old news. It would also show that he is less politically adept than he thinks, because there are enough people who would never trust him again that I doubt he can win renomination. "Fighting to count every vote"? Sure.

If one or more senators stand, I would be satisfied if Conyers had a good letter from Kerry to read during the proceedings. But if there are no senators, then I'm done with Kerry.

[CheshireCat]

23. I heard that Kerry will not support them

...he will be in Iraq.

I have had it! I have worked my tail off for Democrats since 1972. If no Dem senator co-signs, I will no longer call myself a Democrat.

Congress has been totally bought and paid for by corporate America. I truly believe that all incumbents should be kicked out so we can start over.

After 32 years of being a fighting, leftwing Democrat, I no longer feel that I have a party to which I can turn. Some Democrats talk a good game, but if none are willing to standup for honest and fair elections, they have nothing to offer me.

[NYC]

24. I agree with you.

If they won't represent us, what is the difference what they call themselves. They are not Democrats.

Is Kerry going to be in Iraq as a way of avoiding the issue?

[FreakinDJ]

15. About time they stepped up to the plate

[hang a left]

19. kick

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. Sen. Barbara Boxer is considering signing it!!!.............

"The House Democrats' chief hope of finding a supportive senator may be Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. Her spokesman, David Sandretti, said Tuesday that she has been asked to sign the complaint "and she is considering it."

[purduejake]

27. If no senator stands up...

They all lost my vote. I will vote for a 3rd party if I can, or not at all. Or, I might (but not necessarily) vote for a democrat who is new to the scene. These are NOT the people I want representing me.

edit: But I will STILL take Kerry over Bush and am in DC right now fighting for something. If Kerry doesn't want the position, maybe we can give it to Cobb if we manage to change something here. I wouldn't hold your breath on that, though.

[Q]

28. This seems like more than a minor detail:

"...it seems likely to do little more than call attention to Election Day voting irregularities"

And they weren't 'irregularities'...it was ELECTION FRAUD and CIVIL RIGHTS ABUSES.