Barbara Boxer will challenge!!!!!

[expatriot]

Was just reported on Unfiltered.... they read the report... very breaking story... do not lock this thread.... there will be a link shortly.

Here it is..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_go_co/electoral_vote

[Oversea Visitor]

1. n/t

:kick: all the way from Malaysia South East Asia

[BamaBecky]

14. How are you doing over there? Are you ok? n/t

[Oversea Visitor]

97. Very ok

Listening to Cspan on speedy g
Looks like lots of republicians are piss

[radiofreesrini]

259. science fiction!

a sole senator from california standing up to the final collapse of democracy... will it be enough? can we kick the other democratic senators into fighting mode?

-rfs

[DemBones DemBones]

2. Hot damn!

:7 :7 :7

[calimary]

168. 1 (800) 839 - 5276 - TOLL FREE to Capitol Hill Switchboard.

Call it and you can ask to be transfered to anybody's office in the House or the Senate. FREE! However, Boxer's line is kinda busy just now. I'd suggest calling frist and giving him hell.

[RazzleCat]

3. Too bad its against the law for me to marry her

Because if she does challenge, than I know it will be true love on my part towards her.

[complain jane]

218. AWESOME

THANK you Barbara Boxer! At last! Somebody's got the balls to stand up in this goddamn party!

[expatriot]

4. Is this the rebirth of the Democratic Party?

This is a beautiful day....

[ChiciB1]

222. For Me, I've Been Calling All Senators

Letting them know just how apalled I am about their lack of support. Just finished talking with Sen. Bill Nelson's office and told them that I would ACTIVELY be working to get him booted out of office!

I've written him and called him on numerous occasions and have received only 2 lame excuses! I'm going down the list and calling as many Democratic Senators to tell them that they LET ME DOWN! That this WAS NOT about Kerry per se, it was about ELECTION FRAUD!

[Peggy Day]

5. they should ALL stand up!

but this makes me so happy, even if that other guy (can't even say his name)is still president.
Wouldn't it be nice if they could overturn the whole state or have a revote-sorry just dreaming.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

30. As long as it forces the MSM to actually report on the alleged fraud

It will be worth it.

[merh]

50. William Pitt says we will be surprised at those who will support

this.

[winsflorida]

133. What happened?

Everybody else chicken out???

[PapaJoe]

141. Hooray,

The Lady with cojones! Muchas gracias.

[calimary]

160. That's my girl! Looks like my campaign contributions to her reelection

constituted money well-spent. It takes a woman to show balls around Washington. And one of those dreaded Californian, no less. YAY!! GREAT day!!!

[Name removed]

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[99Pancakes]

237. I e-mailed a big THANKS to her

at http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm

Esp. because there were many Democrats that tried to distance themselves from it all. I was retty POed when I heard that.

[rawstory]

6. AP STORY

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_go_co/electoral_vote&printer=1

WASHINGTON - A small group of Democrats agreed Thursday to force House and Senate debates on Election Day problems in Ohio before letting Congress certify President Bush (news - web sites)'s election over Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) in November.


AP Photo



Sen. Barbara Boxer (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., signed a challenge mounted by House Democrats to Ohio's 20 electoral votes, which put Bush over the top. By law, a challenge signed by members of the House and Senate requires both chambers to meet separately for up to two hours to consider it. Lawmakers are allowed to speak for no more than five minutes each.

While Bush's victory is not in jeopardy, the Democratic challenge will force Congress to interrupt tallying the Electoral College (news - web sites) vote that was scheduled to begin at 1 p.m. EST Thursday. It would be only the second time since 1877 that the House and Senate were forced into separate meetings to consider electoral votes.

[DS1]

13. What a sideshow, if I rolled my eyes more I'd be looking at my brain...

Lawmakers are allowed to speak for no more than five minutes each.

It's a farce, through and through

[ET Awful]

19. You did know that the five-minute rule applies to all debates in

both houses right? That's why you continually hear other people yielding time to their peers.

That doesn't make it a farce, those are the rules of both the House and Senate, in place long before this debate.

It will be handled like any debate over a bill would be, the people most in the know will have time yielded to them by others so they may continue their argument.

[DS1]

21. Wow, just when I thought things couldn't get more pathetic

What a dumbed down and moronic system :cry:

[ET Awful]

24. It's worked for about 200 years.

It's fairly standard parliamentary procedure.

Is it perfect? Nope. But it's not likely to change.

[DS1]

29. Well, for the previous 200 years

I grant that at least someone had the courage to actually stand up and do something about this Bush mess, perhaps because there were white people disenfranchised this time around :eyes:

Excuse the horrible catch phrase I just made up, but the system only works when there's people willing to work it. Congress has its thumb so far up its collective ass these days I'm surprised anything gets done at all - besides shovelling money out to each Senator's own private pork-barrel defense projects.

Yes, I'm feeling particularly disappointed in America today, is it that obvious. :hurts:

[TN al]

46. Perhaps I am wrong...

...but doesn't the five minute rule only apply to the House? Senate debate is unlimited thus the ability to filibuster.

[ET Awful]

52. I believe the rule applies to the Senate as well, the ability to

filibuster arises out of the requirement that 61 (I think it's 61, correct me if I'm wrong) Senators agree to bring it to a vote.

I'm not 100% clear, but I believe that in a fillibuster, a formal request for further debate occurs and the whole process restarts. I may be off base here, it's been a long while since I read up on all the rules.

[PittPoliSci]

239. The five minute rule...

Applies to both houses in this particular situation, the House, however, has a limited debate of 2 (i think...) minutes during it's regular sessions, and the senate unlimited debate.

[Pachamama]

116. And Senators may yield their 5 mins to others on the floor - I expect that

atleast 20 Dem Senators have some amazing speeches and discussions planned and their colleagues will be giving them lots of time to finish getting said what must be said....

Who are these 20? I predict in addition to Boxer:

1) Sen Robert Byrd
2) Sen. Barack Obama
3) Sen Patty Murray
4) Sen. Harry Reid
5) Sen. Maria Cantwell
6) Sen. Patrick Leahy
7) Sen. Ted Kennedy
8) Sen. Ron Wyden
9) Sen. Hilary Clinton
10) Sen. Jon Corzine
11) Sen. Joe Biden
12) Sen. Bill Nelson
13) Sen Evan Bayh
14) Sen. Mary Landrieu
15) Sen. Frank Lautenberg
16) Sen. Mark Dayton
17) Sen. Jeff Bingaman
18) Sen. Chuck Schumer
19) Sen. Rus Feingold

[AngryOldDem]

86. No, it's called democracy in action,

AND MAKING SURE THINGS ARE BEING DONE RIGHT.

Just think: What if something like this happened in 2000, as the black caucus so wanted?

[GOPBasher]

7. That's awesome!!

[c o f f e e]

8. Bless Ms. Boxer

she is a great lady.....i can not wait to her her speak from the well of the senate.

[IndianaGreen]

180. Barbara Boxer has performed splendidly!

All Democrats involved in the Ohio challenge deserve our undying support for reelection and for higher office, if they so choose.

[Ganja Ninja]

9. Come on Democratic Senators nows the time to stand up ...

and be heard. No guts if you don't. And if you don't then your worthless and need to be replaced by real Democrats that aren't afraid to vote their constituents feelings.

[calimary]

166. ARE there any other Democratic Senators standing up now?

I'm not near a TV. All I know is that MY gal did. Which makes me HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!!!

[Spazito]

10. That is wonderful news!

This will allow the disgrace of Ohio be entered into the record of the Senate, at the very least! Barbara Boxer is the greatest!

[DS1]

15. I think it's pathetic that we've been cornered into being happy with that.

Gimmie a break, you think ANY of them give a shit about what little sidenotes we can attach to this election? The damage has been done, this is merely window dressing - the Neocon agenda will carry on as planned, and there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

[Spazito]

16. So, because it doesn't overturn the 'election', one should do ...

nothing? The question I would ask is: What is lost by doing this? Nothing! What is gained? At the least, a record in the Senate and who knows what else?

I don't understand those who would be against this stand, it doesn't make sense to me.

[DS1]

17. You make the stand, I'll twirl my fingers

:shrug:

[Massachusetts]

27. You Are Correct.

There should be nothing but outrage from the majority of average Americans....but sadly I don't even hear a peep.:shrug:

[Lizzie Borden]

189. Average Americans don't even realize...

that there was a problem with Ohio. I think it's great that she stood up. If it happens again, more people will, (and we know it could happen again). I think, if nothing else, it's vindication for the folks who've been working to get the Ohio fraud noticed.

[aikido15]

44. Thank you! I was waiting for someone to acknowledge that!

The house and the congress are NEOCON CONTROLLED! Bush will remain president. The best that can come of this is voting reform...

But voting reform was supposed to happen after the 2000 election..weak ass Dems did nothing then also. Not one Senator signed, not one.

I'll say it again...

PATHETIC!

[wryter2000]

77. That's the point.

The best that can come of this is voting reform...

That's kind of the point, wouldn't you say?

Not one Senator signed, not one.

That's exactly what she is doing. You want she shouldn't?

[eaprez]

55. Its more than window dressing.....

....it diminishes some of Georgie's so called political capital --- he will be president by a vote of the house and senate not by vote of the people.

[AG78]

65. You really believe that?

You think this corporate/religious movement gives a damn about that?

[pnutchuck]

177. What about this rumor floating around that Bush can run a 3rd time

because of these asterisks the Dems are ensuring? I've heard it every now and then that because Bush wasn't elected by the people, he can actually run again!!! Anyone know if this is true?!?

[SheilaT]

235. Sigh. This has been discussed here

many, many, many times. Here's the text of the 22nd Amendment:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

First of all, Republicans sincerely believe Bush was elected. And even if they agreed with us about his illegitimate ascendancy to the office, he'll have served too long to be re-elected.

What I personally expect to see is an attempt to repeal the 22nd Amendment.

[conflictgirl]

252. There already has been such a proposal

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/search.html

Look up HJ Res 25 IH in the 108th session of Congress (or just put in 22nd amendment as a search term). It was referred to the subcommittee on the constitution on 3/6/2003, which is where it is now.

[SheilaT]

258. Why am I not surprised.

Thank you for giving me the link.

[iconoclastNYC]

101. Ok then, move to Canada and those of us who want to fight

Will return this country to the people to who it belongs.

[DS1]

114. Canada is ~still~ too close to New York City

:P

[1gobluedem]

129. Yukon Territory is not n/t

[iconoclastNYC]

264. What is your point?

I woudln't want to live in a world post NYC being nuked or whatever. The economic system would collapse, i really believe that. And we'd start world war 3? to try to fix it, no doubt.

It'd almost be better to be a crispy critter than to be around to see that crap.

[calimary]

165. Yes. She is the GREATEST! She's four years late, but at least she

steps up now. When I called I stated that I was a supporter, and had happily contributed to her reelection campaign, and as such, I now expected a return on my investment. I further stated that since she's just had her option renewed, she is SAFE FOR ANOTHER SIX YEARS. That's longer than the maximum bush can hope for, assuming he doesn't face a much-deserved impeachment and removal from office. They can't touch her. She's SAFE. And she was returned to the Senate by a veyr large margin. Left the pathetic Bill Jones in the dust. If there were ANY time to take a stand and show some balls, this was it.

And understand this: emails were circulating yesterday throughout California Democratic groups quoting her as saying she'd do it if her constituents wanted her to. We were all urged to call. We did. I guess there have to be some pretty impressive numbers of us. You don't move something like this without a TON of people pushing. So there's a rawther large mass of people behind this, and I suspect many of the calls she got were not from Californians. Other people in other states want voting fairness and accountability, too.

GUYS: I add this for a reason.

Many many times we've had discussions here on DU about the importance of calling your reps and letting them know how you feel and what you want them to do. People don't always believe it makes a difference. Today, it did.

I'll have to ask about getting my sig line back:

1 (800) 839 - 5276 is the TOLL FREE number to the CAPITOL HILL SWITCHBOARD. Call it and they'll transfer you to ANY Senate or Congressional office you name.

[catmandu57]

11. We were watching F 911 again last night

and the part where not one senator stood to challenge the election made me think once again, howe different the world would be now if they had.

[spooked911]

34. you can say that again!

[Barrett808]

68. For me, it's the saddest scene in the whole film n/t

[soleft]

111. I ordered it on in Demand just to show my gf that one scene

We didn't have time to watch the whole film but I wanted her to appreciate what was happening today.

[LiberalEsto]

12. WashPost reports Reid saying "at least one" senator

will rise against certifying the electors today. It's a tiny, itty bitty paragraph in their Washington in Brief report -- a roundup of short news items appearing today on Page A5.

[UpInArms]

18. Link: Democrats to force debate on Ohio election results

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?dateid=38358.405448287-830700639&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806&

WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- Congressional Democrats will force a debate Thursday on Ohio's presidential election returns before certifying the re-election of President Bush, the Associated Press reported. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., signed a challenge presented by 20 House Democrats. The challenge won't put Bush's victory in jepoardy, but both chambers must meet separately for up to two hours to consider the challenge, interrupting the tally of the Electoral College vote, the AP said.

Barbara Boxer :yourock:

[liberal N proud]

20. It will be a mark in the History Books if nothing else

It will also diminish the shrubs "MAN-DATE"
YAHOOOOOOO!

[jmcgowanjm]

22. IF/When Boxer does this and no MSM cover/ed it

up to and including when Boxer does this,
then everyone will know the CTers
have been right.

The Smoking Gun Part II
Mitofsky Responds

Wednesday, January 5, 2005

"The only ones confused were the leakers and the
bloggers." Chief exit pollster Warren Mitofsky responds
(via email) to yesterday's "smoking gun"
item:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2111831/

"ouch." It was that pained feeling I had watching someone
I admire -
and I'm talking about Mitofsky here - do something so
obviously
inappropriate. It was the way I would imagine Ohio State
fans must
have felt 26 years ago watching their legendary coach
Woody Hayes
punch that receiver from
Clemson.

http://mysterypollster.typepad.com/

[tgnyc]

82. I intend to post video on my website by end of day:

www.intelligencesquad.com

[jmcgowanjm]

265. Today we saw the new leaders of the Democratic Party n/t

[prodigal_green]

23. Just e-mailed her via senate.gov site

to thank her and express my sorrow that I had to send the e-mail to a senator clear across the country. Thank God for her.

I suspect she'll see a flood of money coming in increments of $100 or less from around the country for her next election.

[cal04]

25. Thank You!

``I have concluded that objecting to the electoral votes from Ohio is the only immediate way to bring these issues to light by allowing you to have a two-hour debate to let the American people know the facts surrounding Ohio's election,'' Boxer wrote in a letter to Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, a leader of the Democratic effort.

The action seems certain to leave Bush's victory intact because both Republican-controlled chambers would have to uphold the challenge for Ohio's votes to be invalidated. But supporters of the drive hope their move will shine a national spotlight on the Ohio voting problems.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Electoral-Vote.html?oref=login

[jmcgowanjm]

26. Meanwhile-CNN-Court orders new trial for Andrea Yates!!

What could be more important!

Danny Schecter covers the real news
today-

http://www.newsdissector.org/weblog/dannylog.cfm

[spooked911]

28. This brings tears to my eyes--God bless Barbara Boxer!

[Poetrygrl]

31. AP: Boxer to challenge

Story is also linked here:

http://www.rawstory.com/

[lady lib]

32. Whoo hoo!!

Way to go, Senator!:toast:

[jmcgowanjm]

33. I want to see the look on senjohnkerry's face

"I will not be taking part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors"
John Kerry's reply

http://www.newsdissector.org/weblog/dannylog.cfm

[Vidar]

58. Thank you, Ms. Boxer & thank you, DU. We've made a difference.

[tgnyc]

83. making him look even more like the bitch

he has proven to be.

[Massachusetts]

35. Tip O' the hat to Barb

Unfortunately, where are the other Dem Sens, and To Little To Late.IMO

[Edgewater_Joe]

36. I Think We Found Our VP Candidate In '08!

I wonder if anyone else will sign it now that she's broken the ice ...

[JI7]

37. Why VP Candidate ? why not Presidential Candidate ?

unless the Pres candidate is John Conyers.

[Cleita]

48. Yes. I prefer her to Hillary.

She is my senator and really works hard for Democratic issues without compromising her principles. She is a goddess IMHO.

[JI7]

53. Barbara Boxer is my Senator also

i was so glad she won by a huge amount and easily last year. she use to have more competitive and tough races. but she has become popular and won big time .

[Ganja Ninja]

60. That's right if Hillary isn't on board then who needs her in 08!

We need to be sending a message to all the democrats. This is a test. We shouldn't have to beg and plead for them to do the right thing and take a stand. It isn't that hard. They won't loose anything by doing this. We are their constituents and if they aren't with us then why should we send them money or work for them? In 2008 I'm going to remember who stood with us and who sat on their hands and did nothing.

[PapaJoe]

150. I agree.

I am glad, so glad, that this is the issue of reckoning.
It is the right cause because it is about democracy, itself.
At least, it should diminish the claim of "mandate"

[mike_c]

167. mine too and although I've always been a strong Boxer supporter...

...she's earning a HUGE amount of political capital today. Now if only the other senator from California wasn't such a DINO....

Kudos to Barbara Boxer!

[calimary]

247. Oh, Feinstein is pretty much useless. She's one of those "moderates"

who just seems to fall over to the republi-CON side again and again and again for some reason. Her staffer gave me some mamby-pamby excuse for why she wasn't going to stand with Boxer today - because she was taking a cue from Kerry and waiting to fight for longterm voting reform. So tell me, Dianne, just exactly WHEN will that be? I told the staffer that was SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE. ABOLUTELY NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

[NightOwwl]

66. Boxer-Obama 2008

Yeah, baby!

[IndianaGreen]

194. Screw Obama! He voted with the Republicans!

Obama is following the DLC orders to endorse Bush.

[Botany]

38. Yea!

This is just the start.

:kick:

[Q]

39. Good for her!

Let's at least have a DEBATE about Republican fraud before we throw it down the memory hole.

[demo dutch]

40. Ok Great but continue to contact your senators, we don't want her

to have to stand alone, because ther epugs will eat her alive and turn her into a freakshow from California. The more stand up the stronger the argument the more attention we'll get!!!

[janetle]

42. I e-mailed 3 Senators...

I e-mailed my two WA senators and then I e-mailed Max Baucus (D) from Montana. He is connected to the republican side of my family so he will be surprised to get an e-mail from me asking his support on this issue.

[Rainscents]

89. Me Too!!!

[RawMaterials]

182. me to but there R from ohio so not that good of chance n/m

[NYC]

45. Send free faxes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x245742

[Acryliccalico]

41. This is great news

[wildeyed]

43. This made me so happy.

I have been kind of numb for the past few months, but this brought tears of happiness to my eye. Not ok to systematically disenfranchise voters, whatever the final vote tally is. And at least one senator is willing to stand up and say it.

[aikido15]

47. Let's not get all mushy yet...

Wait and see if it does anything to reform our voting system first...you know, like what was supposed to happen in 2000??:eyes:

[wildeyed]

144. I will get as mushy as I please.

Besides, "it" is not going to reform our voting system, we are. Boxer's move is a good first step and I will celebrate. It will be up to us to work hard and make sure that reforms happen.

I personally am active in promoting voting reform in my community and state because I believe that local reforms are the only way I can impact this problem. It is too vast for an individual like myself to address on a national scale. But I can really make a difference on the community level.

[aikido15]

210. Forgive me....

I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you how to feel, I certainly do not have that right. I guess I should have explained how I feel, then maybe you would have understood what I meant.

The "us" should have done something after 2000 elections when not ONE senator stood up for "us" the people's voting rights. Had they done that, we may not be having this conversation today.

Many of us work very hard to ensure voter's rights. I work very hard for SEVERAL social causes as well as the anti-war movement, so please, don't throw that at me...I of all the people I know, don't deserve it.

I am very disgusted with the Democratic Party and have been since the debacle on the senate floor in 2000. So if the "us" you are referring to is "us" the people, then I agree with you. But if it is the Democratic Party, forgive me for not feeling all warm and fuzzy over this "little too late" show of strength...color me cynical when it comes to the dems, I plead guilty.

Good luck with your activism, I know it is hard and unrewarding work a lot of the time, esp. in Bushworld.

Peace.

[wildeyed]

244. Yes, us the people.

And I agree, someone should have stood up in 2000. But they didn't so here we are. Also, I guess I hear allot of negativity and divisive talk these days, and, just my opinion, no matter how bad the dems suck, they are still our only hope. So I try to keep the faith and to improve the party from within.

Good luck with your activism. Peace.

[carnie_sf]

49. That's my senator n/t

[HamdenRice]

51. I just figured out why Barbara is so brave and wonderful ...

She was born in Brooklyn, of course!

I love you Senator Boxer!

[Politicub]

54. Have courage everyone

It's going to get very ugly today, and the right wing echo chamber will be in full effect.

Boxer is a saint if she challenges the electoral slate. Bush will end up getting selected twice. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe, just maybe, today will be the beginning of a scrappy democratic party. Dare we even dream :)

[Straight Shooter]

56. Go Boxer! One small step for a woman, one giant leap for democracy.

Someone finally gets it!

No matter where it goes from here, the issues will be aired, and that is so important, so very important, that the issues are brought into the open.

OMG, I am so proud that a woman was the first Senator to step forward before America and say, "I am not afraid to stand up for these people who have been disenfranchised."

I am not her constituent, but in her next race, she can count on contributions from me.

[LuLu550]

57. Two thoughts

1) It is one election too late.
2) I'm not surprised it took a female senator to have the balls to do it.

Woo Hoo Sen. Boxer!

[Rainscents]

71. You Go Girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You got my support Senator Boxer!!!!!!!! Why does it takes female to stand up? Remember Norma Ray? And also, 50's when the black and white school... it was a black young girl who refuse to get off the white bus... She also stood up for the rights of the all Union member and got things rolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can always count on women and the black folks to do the right things!!!

[DemBones DemBones]

81. You're so right, on both counts! eom

[David__77]

59. She's keeping her promise to my state's voters.

She promised Californians to stand up to the rightists. The more contention between the right and Bush, the better for our struggle against the current governor as well.

[NightOwwl]

61. I've always respected you Barbara...

now I love you!

ETA: Watching MSNBC for the first time since the election. Nothing reported yet (surprise, surprise)

[rawstory]

62. Update: Sources say other senators to support Boxer but won't sign

Sources on Capitol Hill have told RAW STORY that other senators are preparing statements of support to deliver when Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) challenges Ohio’s electoral votes today.

Several sources indicated that additional senators are not likely to sign the challenge, possibly at the request of Sen. Boxer and Rep. Tubbs-Jones. MSNBC’s Countdown program suggested as many as half a dozen senators might join Sen. Boxer.

Only one member of the Senate and one House member needs to sign a challenge to open discussion on the electoral vote tally. Boxer has agreed to joined at least 24 other House members in challenging Ohio’s electoral votes over election irregularities.

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=531

[CottonBear]

63. Did you see Sen. Nelson on Faux News? (10:05am)

He was being interviewed RE: Boxer and the Democratic election challenge. The Faux news guy (I don't know who he was) was asking "won't this set her up for defeat like Daschle?, Won't she just be hurting the president?, won't they look like sore losers?" etc. They can't ask real questions about the real reason (fraud)why this is happening. Their talking points memo for the day won't allow it. I'm sure. I would love for someone to leak the Faux news memos for today.

[Ganja Ninja]

75. I faxed Nelson's office this morning and asked him ...

to get on board. I'm going to remember this day and who took a stand and who didn't.

[tgnyc]

85. What was Nelson's response

to the Fox News idiot's questions?

[CottonBear]

98. He said that he was not going to challenge but

that he fully supported those who are going to do so. That it is not wrong (i.e. unAmerican) to have an different viewpoint on an issue such as the Ohio election reesults. He did pretty good. He didn't let the Faux news guy derail him with talking points. He was calm, polite and senatorial. All in all, a good job.

[JerseygirlCT]

107. "Won't she just be hurting the president"????

well, duh. This is a bad thing? They're amazing at Fox.

[ChiciB1]

Which Nelson... Bill or Ben??

I just talked to Bill Nelson's office UGH!... Spoke with Clinton's office, she spoke for REFORM, that's all. Spoke with Biden's office, they guy told me that Lautenberg was going to introduce legislation for Election Reform along with Senator Kerry, but still gave them an earfull too!

Clinton's office told me to call MY Senator and I laughed. Said I lived in Florida, do YOU UNDERSTAND????

[madrigal]

64. Mark Dayton - D - Minn

Was just speaking live on C-Span on Senate floor about supporting it as well. Only caught the tail end of him speaking, so not sure if he's signing or just supporting.

[Maclilly]

67. Officially challenged

this is getting good

[NightOwwl]

69. Breaking news on MSNBC!!!!

Andrea Yates conviction overturned! :argh:

[NVMojo]

70. I spoke to her dc office one hour ago and was told SHE WILL CONTEST

the election!!!!!!

[wryter2000]

72. That's my senator!

Way to go, Boxer. :bounce:

[Rainscents]

73. We Must Now Support...

Senator Boxer on her re-election... You know that Republicans THUGS are going to try to destroy her and we can let it happen!!!!!!!!!

[WillyT]

103. Mine Too !!!

:bounce::kick::bounce:

:hi:

[Bretttido]

74. Barbara Boxer is my new favorite senator!

Send her some mail at boxer.senate.gov and let her know you appreciate her standing up for the people.

[lonestarnot]

76. Me too!

[mcg]

266. I sent her an email commending her, Boxer for President!

She is a hero and a patriot!

[lefthandedskyhook]

78. Let's get to work!!!

We need to swamp media outlets wit our support in order to provide some political cover today. If they spin this story negatively it will be bad for our side. If Boxer comes out OK then maybe others will take more risks in the future.

CHARGE!!!

[TOOLZ]

93. YES, make it a welcome outcry!

[Demrock6]

79. Sweet news!!

[PleadTheFirst]

80. My god ... Heroes DO still exist!

And Barbara Boxer fits the description.

Thank you, Senator Boxer. You've given me back hope in the Democratic party. Give 'em hell!

[UCLA Dem]

84. thats my senator!!!

Take that 60%+ mandate we gave you and run with it!!!!!

[Name removed]

87. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[apple_ridge]

94. Greetings, Troll.

[Don Claybrook]

96. Do you have any idea what you're saying?

We're talking about the subversion of the principles this country was supposed to be founded on, and you're worried about looking petty? Oh well, the DLC might have a high-paying job for you.

[stefanw28]

88. Boxer for PRESIDENT!

the new American hero!

[Botany]

90. The Boxer Rebellion!

Use the name. I love it.

:kick:

[lady lib]

118. Love it too!!

n/t

[tsuki]

174. I love it.

[and]

191. I love it, too!!!

n/t

[apple_ridge]

91. Dean/Boxer 2008!!!!

[manly]

198. dean/boxer

forget Dean. He made himself appear like a fool, and he'll never erase that image. He wouldn't have a chance.

[knitter4democracy]

225. That's what everyone said of Nixon, too

Remember the Checkers speech? He was elected after enough time wore off, and that's all Dean needs is time. Personally, I'd prefer Boxer/Dean!

[TOOLZ]

92. THANK YOU BOXER

I know she had a hard time both from the ranting, disenfranchised, out-of-the-Matrix Left, and her glaring comrades in the Senate to have to take this stand. Yes, it is sad that we have to be happy about this bone, these two hours when the complacent D.C. sheep elected to uphold the Constitution have to listen to the numerous electoral issues. But each hearing, each acknowledgemnt, it gets us closer to retaking our electoral process, by making it harder for Trinity, Dieboldt, and would-be wayward Secretaries of State to deny there are issues. This goes into the history books.

:yourock:

[athenap]

95. Praise be!

Kudos to Senator Boxer for standing up. Based on what I have read, I know this could very easily be political suicide for any senator--it's not easy to rock the boat when there seems to be no land in sight.

But sometimes, you reach a point of maximum saturation, when you just can't take it anymore. I live in Ohio. When local news (such as it is) showed the long lines in urban precincts, and when I kept hearing about Blackwell's shenanigans, I really started to fear for the democratic process. The trial--lawyers that seem to be the last true voice of the people--gave me hope. Not hope that the election would be overturned--I feel that would be a bad situation all around. Sure, we'd get the * out of office, but the mess would hang like an albatross around our guy's neck.

And contrary to a lot of folks here at DU, I'm kind of glad Kerry is not around for this. His presence gives too much of a free shot to the other side to turn the focus towards "sore loser" or "seeking to over turn the election" when that's no longer what it's about. It makes it too easy to shift the focus away from Blackwell and the widespread disenfranchisement, back to Kerry, and obscure the true issues.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

99. Some think the election CAN be overturned legally today-look at this !

Some very valid points to consider.
Definitely worth looking at this thread (from late last night)

snip:
I believe the election of Bush* CAN be legitimately overturned tomorrow

This is not a criminal proceeding. It's a Constitutional one. Why cannot the standard to throw out the slate of electors from Ohio simply be gross election irregularity to the extent a representative vote of the people was not achieved? If that were unquestionably demonstrated, Constitutionally speaking, I believe the slate from Ohio could be disallowed......

....This argument of requiring proof of legal fraud in this proceeding is nice but not necessary. It fact, anyone publicly saying proof of fraud is necessary in a presidential election is necessary to void a slate of electors from any state is simply wrong. All that is necessary is to demonstrate a violation of the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. Demonstrating that Ohio violated its own law for selecting its electors does just that.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=244396&mesg_id=244396&page=


Possibilities?

[Chalco]

100. Yesterday on Randi Rhodes...

she said that even tho this move will be pro forma in that the congress will still elect the chump this action will put on record for history that he had to be selected twice--once by the supreme court and once by the congress, instead of being voted in by the people. This will lessen the mandate he thinks he has.

[CottonBear]

102. Good point. I heard that also.

That is a viewpoint that I hadn't considered. It will be on his permanent record! Hah!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

143. So history will record him as Bush* and Bush**

* appointed by the U.S. Supreme Court
** selected by the U.S. Congress after challenge

We may have to update our reference and call him */** rather than *.

[SoCalDem]

192. He does not even warrant full sized star(s).. To me he is....

*²

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

145. never elected ! only selected-TWICE-in history this will explain why

our country took such a reckless path
and ended up destroying what was left of our environment and our reputation in the world.

It will also explain the future moves yet to be made--
We can only guess what * and his crime family may chose to do
to em-better themselves and their associates.

[manxkat]

179. excellent point -- Randi rocks n/t

[janetle]

104. Just like in weddings...

I was just explaining to my 19 year old son why this is significant today. Usually, this day is a complete formality to the point of being meaningless.

You know how the question used to be asked at weddings (or maybe it still is) about anyone objecting and nobody ever does because it has become a formality. The thought of anyone standing up and actually objecting at a wedding is so shocking it becomes the subject of movies.

This is very shocking and meaningful and puts the spotlight on our sacred right to vote.

[CottonBear]

105. Boxer press conference AAR now! n/t

[myrna minx]

106. I love Barbara Boxer.

Thank you for standing up for those without a voice. Thank you for standing up for our Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!:loveya: :loveya: I can't stop crying. I will never forget this historic day.

[Blissfulbride]

108. I want to commend

Senator Boxer and the members of DU who helped to make this happen. I was really having some doubts that it would. Am I/we settling for this versus the overturn or re-vote of Ohio? Yes. But I know what is realistic.
These last few months are the first time I've been politically active, and I'm glad to see it's had a result -- any result. It makes me feel that the effort is worthwhile. I'll take anything that will tarnish the * presidency.

[Edgewater_Joe]

109. ... and Hillary ... and Obama ... and Reid ... and a Repunk!

truthout.org (as seen on Kos) is now reporting that there are other Senators stepping up to cover Boxer's back, including Hillary, Barak Obama, Harry Reid, possibly Chris Dodd, and even apparently a Republican that nobody's naming quite yet.

Stunning what actual LEADERSHIP and COURAGE can do for you, isn't it?

[JI7]

110. Chafee

[Ganja Ninja]

112. This was the founding fathers intent when they created the senate.

They were supposed to step in when the people elected a buffoon. Here's hoping they do just that.

[Califooyah Operative]

163. Clinton is doing good. suprising, nt

[michelita]

113. Senator Barbara Boxer

Senator Boxer is a true Patriot! I hope this nation and those citizens that are informed of her actions today see this for what it is!
She will face great criticism and we that agree with Senator Boxer must call her office and let her know that we a backing her.
Senator Boxer's # in Washington [phone], LA [phone]. Call and support this Great Senator.

Sincerely,
A Patriot

[lovuian]

122. We Love ya Barbara and MS Tubbs Making History!!!

Michael Moore won't be able to show that no senator signed the Petition this time. Barbara Boxer stepped up. And I'm so proud of her
And this election was a Fraud just like Florida is a Fraud

And FINALLY a SENATOR and mind you a Woman Senator and a Woman House of Reps have stepped up and protested while Senator Kerry with his tail between his legs doesn't have enough hoozpah to criticize this ilegal election. But is in Jordan. And the truth comes out finally Al Gore told Barbara not to protest in 2000 and now she regrets it.

But it is a testimony to Bush's presidency is that
Florida who was held by his brother Governorship Jebster was made President by the Supreme Court not by a election and then

There is an official protest of the obvious stealing of this election in mutiple states

the Neo Cons have control of our election process and something needs to be done because we are officially today to the world a Dictatorship

Thank God for Boxer

I tried calling her office to tell her how great she was but the lines were both Busy!!!

[iamjoy]

115. This Is Scary

"I think the American people expect members of Congress to work together and move forward on the real priorities facing this country..." White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Hey, Uh, Scott, what do you consider a priority if not all Americans feeling confident in the voting process?

[lady lib]

120. Apparently our priorities aren't real

They're real to me, bub.

[DBoon]

135. Real priorities? Like privatizing social security?

like drilling in ANWR?

Whose "real priorities" are those?

Not mine!

[Kazak]

117. If I may...

Whooooooooo!!!

[moondust]

119. Go Barbara!

Save democracy if it's not too late already!

[Sleepless In NY]

125. Boxer is awesome! But what's with Pelosi?

Can't thank Senator Boxer enough! But what's with Nancy Pelosi? Reading the Yahoo article: "House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., declined to say whether she supports Boxer's decision, but said the move would call public attention to voting problems. She said she would vote to uphold the Ohio vote."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_go_co/electoral_vote

Why does she have to vote to uphold it? Especially if she recognizes there were "voting problems"?

[moondust]

146. Don't know.

I suppose fear of the RW propaganda battering ram and smear machine. Or something like that. The outcome is not going to change anyway.

[kwolf68]

121. Damn you Boxer

I was almost at peace with my station in life, watching the wilting of Democracy at the hands of the corporate oligarchs, charlatans, thugs, thieves, and murderers.

I was “at peace” with the death of the Democratic Party, and its potency to be a viable alternative viewpoint to the social-Darwinistic, Christo-Fascist claptrap that seemingly dominates our world.

I had given up hope that anything would ever get better in my life time and I was leaving my son and daughter the spoils of an indisposed people, a defeated dream, and a vision snuffed out by greed and money.

I was at peace with it all….

And then you gave me hope. No matter where this goes, Senator Boxer shows us that even in the darkest days, even when the foundations are cracked, hope always remains. God Bless this women.

[madmax]

132. 'And then you gave me hope...'

God Bless Barbara Boxer. I gave up hope and then Senator Boxer gave it back. No matter what happens and we know what will happen, George Bush's first AND second stolen terms are tainted and will remain so throughout history.

[kwolf68]

136. And this also proves

That the Dems up there have not a damn thing to lose. If they are Democrats through and through then start freaking acting like it. Fight for the people Dems have always fought for: Those without power or voice...Resist the corporatism that runs our government...They won't lose elections if they do what is right. And Boxer is now playing the game like she has nothing to lose....She will fight the right for the next 4 years and will make her mark on history. OHHHH, the neocons will hate her, but that is enough for me.

[knitter4democracy]

227. Ironic it's on Epiphany

That's what we're having as a nation today--Epiphany!

[leyton]

123. Did Edwards just get a vote for President from MN?

I'm confused.

[NYC Liberal]

138. Yep, one elector voted for Edwards for Prez

and Kerry for VP.

[grace0418]

124. Barbara ROCKS!

I wish it could actually change the next four years of hell we're going to endure.

[Barkley]

126. Wish they all could beat California girls!

... Where's Obama on this issue? Where's Kerry? Where's my other senator
"DiFi"?

I called her office yesterday and emailed her.

Finally someone standing up against Bush!

I am so proud that Barbara is my Senator.

She got the third highest votes in the U.S.
on Nov. 2, 2004.

I am happy my vote was among them

[Zhade]

176. Feinstein? Too busy counting the money from her husband's defense stocks.

Boxer has made a significant move, and this helps repent a bit for her Negroponte vote.

Here's to the women who lead!

[lady lib]

127. Cheney's in ultrasneer mode. n/t

[imenja]

128. Good work folks!

Just saw it with my own eyes! Well done!

[malaise]

130. Democrats protest

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!

[spartan61]

131. Where the Hell are the other senators?

I am so pissed that no other senator stood with Boxer and Conyers. My senators and reps have just lost my support. Shame on all of those yellow belly congress people. All they care about is their own tail.

[Demrock6]

134. HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!!

Rep. Jones is giving them hell!

[michelita]

137. Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones

Listen to this brave women on the House floor!
We also need to commend her for all her work. This is historical!

[michelita]

139. Rep Deborah Pryce from Ohio

This women is a bitch!
She has not addressed the issue of voter rights
She is just saying that the Democrates are starting a simple lie.
This women is just a simple minded person.

[Catherine Vincent]

142. I just heard that republican wench!

How in the hell does she know there wasn't any fraud? Partisan cow!

[shuffnew]

190. I agree, she is an incompetent robotic "idiot"! n/t

[elshiva]

255. Deborah Pryce Arrgh!

"These Democrats are just trying to divide our
country"- Rep Pryce
Lies, Same, Old Damn Lies and another lying liar who tells
them

[knitter4democracy]

228. Love her!

She was my rep when we lived in Cleveland. She rocks! She always has.

[manxkat]

140. amazing to watch CSPAN right now

Conyers is now speaking... so eloquent... he follows up behind two Republican congresspersons from Ohio who acted like screaming children

[aikido15]

148. Heard it also...

Now Sanders is letting them have it!!! '


Arrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhh, Asshole Blunt from my state, MO is up...what an asshole!

[manxkat]

147. Conyers has yielded his remaining time

to Bernie Sanders who is making an issue for election reform, especially regarding paper trail -- he said he agrees with Kerry that Bush won Ohio -- I certainly don't agree, but at least he's standing up and talking about reform

[garthranzz]

149. Messages to Senators

I just sent the following to Mary Landrieu and a variant to John Kerry. Feel free to copy.

I hope you will stand with Senator Boxer of California. The fraud in Ohio - throughout the country - damages our country and our government. The theft of an election - by any party, at any level - cannot be tolerated. The issue transcends politics. As the tsunami reminded us of the fragility of life and the bond of humanit all people share, so leaders that rise above self-interest and petty, partisan politics - those who are profiles in courage - remind us of why our democracy requires both passion and respect. The greatest principles must be honesty, accountability, transparency and trust.

[aikido15]

157. Is anyone getting the idea...

that the Dems may be grand standing because of the criticism they have been getting??? Dunno...it's weird, I know that...

Whatever...just fix the voting system! God Damn It!!:grr:

[poe]

151. don't stop short

don't know about y'all but i shall not be satisfied with a sidebar in the record books and a feel good "i told you so". i will be going to my local rep. on a weekly basis, phoning my state senators on a weekly basis, continuing to leaflet in the streets, tabling in the commons etc. i want an indictment of k. blackwell and other rep. scions in ohio. i want karl rove subpoenaed. let us begin the unravelling. more than info exchange is required, the folks at freepress.org are goin' after it. be unrelenting in pursuit of these crooks. certain longshots are worth the energy. immediately target your local media and the national media. i want impeachment. impeachment is not relegated to only presidents. now is the time to go on the offensive. give big support to those in senate who are standing up. a historical footnote is not sufficient. rove is a criminal, cheney is a criminal, delay is a criminal. the world is watching.

[janetle]

172. My feelings exactly

[michelita]

152. The Repukes just keep attributing it to Michael Moore

These Repukes are just amazing! They will not even address voter rights. They just keep saying it is something we need to "Get Over It" as stated by the Rep. from Florida.

[aikido15]

154. This is amazing....

pubs are sooooooooo ignorant...they think everything is an attack...protecting voters rights is an attack on them! Holy shit!

What is up with this??????

I say they are acting guilty!!!! OF VOTER FRAUD!!!!

[manxkat]

153. follow Will Pitt on-line

William Rivers Pitt is blogging live right now -- he is reporting information about those in support of Boxer, and what others are saying on the floor:

http://truthout.org/fyi/

[0007]

262. Great piece!

[Califooyah Operative]

155. God bless her and anyone else who speaks about irregularities today....

the republicans make me sick watchin them try and brush this off.

[Name removed]

156. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[manxkat]

158. Bush wins = America loses (as does the world) n/t

[aikido15]

159. Huh?

Ohio decided the vote...what do you mean?

[phylny]

171. What's your point?

I THINK I *know* why you're here, but what's your point?

[RawMaterials]

184. Bush 266 / not over the 270 required to win jackass n/m

[ElsewheresDaughter]

161. fuck you nancy and the DLC....if they vote to certify the ohio vote i'm...

leaving the democratic party...by "they" i mean the dems

[InvisibleTouch]

162. I e-mailed her to say thanks.

Her web site says she can only respond to messages from Californians, but given the circumstances, maybe she'll take a glance at mail from Ohio too. Besides, I don't need a response - just wanted to express my thanks and appreciation for her courage. Given all the shit she's going to get now from the crackpots, I hope she gets lots and lots of supportive mail!

[manxkat]

164. what's up with the Democrats who support Boxer

but at the same time they say they believe Bush won in Ohio?

Jesse Jackson thinks Kerry won -- so do a lot of people. Conyers' investigation uncovered enough data to show that the outcome is VERY questionable.

Many Democrats, as often is the case, seem to want it both ways -- say that the system is faulty, but then say it's not that flawed that the outcome would be in question. Too much cover-your-ass for me. I'm sick of Democrats who don't have FULL backbone. Half-assed backbone is better than none, but I want the whole deal.

[Seabiscuit]

169. Sentinel of Freedom - Barbara Boxer

I called our local office in San Diego to thank her for challenging the vote and representing the democratic wing of the democrat party. I was told by the fellow who answered that they are getting inundated with calls from across the country thanking them and praising Barbara Boxer. There are few Sentinels of Freedom within our party and I encourage DU'ers to continue showing your support to those that speak up and stand their ground for us, please call or write to Ms. Boxer and others.

Barbara Boxer :yourock:

[rigel99]

170. LOOK WHO ELSE / My Hero/Heroine Senators are speaking!

Hillary Clinton
Frank Lautenberg
Debbie Stabenow (&***** YOU GO DEBBIE)
Ed Kennedy (Though he sounded like Kerry's jellyfish wording and never once looked up from his reading)
Ron Wyden
Harry Reid

This is enough my friends, to get some serious Senate inquiries into election reform. more than a toothless GAO investigation but a serious congressional effort that will have teeth. I"m so proud of Barbera Boxer, but let me tell you ladies and gentleman, it does not stop here.

We will have all a lot of work to do , but the evidence and proof is out there and can be dribbled out with persistence..

DO NOT GIVE UP this election reform debate. and look for a website soon from GA with some serious information regarding the hiding of data required to prove elections in GA were not conducted fairly or honestly.

[michelita]

173. What up with anyone who questions Rep.Tubbs Jones & Sen. Boxer's action

The Point you idiots, meaning a lack of knowledge, we are supporting the representative and the senator because it is important for all voters. What if it was Republicans whose vote was not represented? What do you think you would here in the Congress? It is not about a party side it is about our right to vote with no obstacles!

Read about it!

[adigal]

175. JD Heyworth is losing it -

red-faced, yelling. What a jerk.

[manxkat]

178. Barack Obama is talking now - C-SPAN 2

he's speaking impromptu -- he says he's convinced Bush won Ohio -- disappointing

[Danmel]

181. I called her office today to thank her

From one Jewish girl from Brooklyn to another- I'm so glad she stood up and said no. If she votes against Gonzalez, I'll move to California and work for her for free.

[GraphicQueen]

183. At least this will get it all in the official record.

I am assuming that this all would have to be part of the Congressional Record now and all of the speeches made by each Representative and Senator. Is this correct? If so, at least we got that much.

[janetle]

185. One of the republican senators

One of the last to speak and I didn't catch his name just said, "there is no evidence this was rigged."

I find this interesting--like Nixon saying he wasn't a crook. The truth is in the denials.

[janetle]

186. It was Voinovich of Ohio

[knitter4democracy]

229. well, there goes any respect I had for that guy

So much for moderates in the other party. Grr.

[Name removed]

187. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[yorkiemommie1]

188. I emailed both to thank them n/t

[malmapus]

193. YES! YES! YES! YES!!!!!

God I'm so proud of someone I had a part in electing. Just spent the past 45 mins trying to get through to her office. Left a message with an assistant on hour proud I was and how my respect for her went through the roof. Lol soo happy, called my mom in Georgia to tell her how proud I was of my Senator.

EVEN BETTER that my 200 post be about this =D

[manxkat]

195. Maxine Waters is really telling it like it is

She left open the question of whether Bush actually won Ohio -- rather than go along with some Democrats who don't question Bush's "win"

[lebkuchen]

213. I love her

another California gal.

[txaslftist]

196. YOU ROCK

:yourock:

Ms. BOXER!!!

[manly]

197. the boxer challenge

She's terrific, and courageous. Congratulations to her!
However, few DUers seem to have noted the most alarming part of the whole news item, namely :
"White House spokesman Scott McClellan dismissed the move as politically driven. 'I think the American people expect members of Congress to work together and move forward on the real priorities facing this country, instead of engaging in conspiracy theories and rehashing issues that were settled long ago,' McClellan said."
The idiots in the WH really don't get it. The essence of democracy seems to have escaped these morons. Election fraud has been demoted and trivialized in the WH down to something unimportant, and not a REAL priority."Rehashing issues that were settled long ago," he says! What fantasyland do these reprehensible liars inhabit?

[lovuian]

199. This has to really hurts Bush's legacy!!! SupremeCourt & Protest

for his two elections and a Film that questions his validity as President !!!

Bush has to be so ticked off!!!

[lady lib]

200. Was Boxer the only Senator?

I was sure Levin said aye. No?? I must have misheard. Sorry about my incorrect post.

[lebkuchen]

201. Historic shadow of a doubt cast on the election for the world to see

Asterisk remains, affixed to the Bush* name.

Congratulations Boxer and Tubbs Jones!

[SemperEadem]

202. Yo, Ric... you need to tell that one to your boy, Rossi in WA

"There's a wise saying we've used in Florida the past four years that the other side would be wise to learn: Get over it," said Rep. Ric Keller, R-Fla. "


yeah, just like Rossi needs to get over that he lost his race for governor in WA--I don't see him calling the thugs there and telling them to 'get over it'.

Should we say the same thing to citrus corporations in his state when they cry about the orchards being dessimated by the hurricanes and they can't meet their quarterly projections?

[michelita]

203. Oh My! Tom Delay is such an ass

Is anyone listening to this bastards lies!
tune to CSPAN.

[lady lib]

204. Shameful n/t

[spuddonna]

209. "No voter irregularities in 2004 or 2000..."

Yes, all those people out in the rain in OH were in line for the next Yanni concert tickets...

[DaDeacon]

205. Why you do it

Lose or Win? no this isn't about that ! this is about something better it's about doing the right thing. It's hard in this time of elected political "do nothings" that people just do the right when they can and this was the right thing. If this had happened to Bush do you think the repubs would stand around and wag the finger at each other? No, and that's why we lost in Nov 2. They satnd behind the monkey boy, and love him while they do it! we could learn from them in that way. To see dems spaeaking against the action on TV no less (B.O. yeah him) makes me wanna smack em back in line!

[jasop]

206. Just Watched the Objection on C-span

I cannot believe what a fucking joke that was. Our country is hijacked.. plain and simple. Why can the Ukraine get a fair election but not us?!? What has to be done?

[tsuki]

207. Never in my lifetime, did I ever expect to hear the Congress of the US

declare that giving all peoples, regardless of color, race, origin, or religion was "aiding the terrorists." Never in my lifetime, did I expect that vote entitlement for its citizens regardless of party affiliation would be call "bitter and partisan."

Shame on the Republicans. Shame. Shame. Shame.

[Albert Cirrus]

211. Proud of Barbara Boxer

I wish more Democrats would take a stand against these stupid republicans.

[complain jane]

219. They are such fucking scumbags.

Nobody's AIDING THE TERRORISTS MORE THAN THEM

[BuelahWitch]

251. Republicans not just AIDING the terrorists

They ARE terrorists! Can't win an election unless they cheat!

[rukkyg]

212. 258-33-138 in the House

It keeps changing even though time is run out!

[Lindsey]

214. Barbara Boxer for President - 2008!

...and shame on some of the Dems who "distanced themselves." They sicken me almost as much as the Repubs. It took a woman to have the balls..... I will be a lifetime voter for Boxer....We're very proud of her here in CA and I'm going to call all of her offices today to let them know.

[d_b]

215. Woooohoooooo!!!

Go barb go!

[Catfight]

216. There should be more than one Senator willing to stand up for Democracy.

I'm ashamed of John Kerry for at least not having the ethics to allow it to be investigated and to stand by our Representatives in Congress that have been requesting an investigation since the 2000 hack job of voting. Let's put an end to voting under scrutiny without a paper trail and transparency. Good for Barbara Boxer, she cries because it's harder to do what is right than to do what is easy. She's a true Mustang Women!

[lady lib]

226. There's balls in those Boxers! n/t

[RawMaterials]

217. kick n/m

[janetle]

220. I Hope

I really hope this is only the beginning and not the end.

[Bretttido]

221. I do not blame Kerry

for not being there today and possibly being the only senator to sign onto the challenge. How ridiculous would that look for him? Being the only senator to sign onto the bill so he could possibly become president... atleast thats what the Right Wing would say, and it would certainly stick. He's in a crappy position and I don't think we should turn our backs on him.

If he's there and signs onto the bill the Right Wing will say "Kerry wants to vote himself into office". If he's there and doesn't sign onto the bill the Right Wing will say, "Even KERRY didn't vote for this." So I think not being there was his best option.

[TiKiGoD]

224. I disagree about Kerry's absence...

I would agree if he remained silent on the issue. But he did not, he has made public statements that undermine our efforts to save our Democracy. If he was going to be absent, he should have kept his mouth shut completely.

[manxkat]

236. I DO blame Kerry

even though I agree it would have looked bad if he'd been the one Senator to stand up. But, he conceded too soon and now he's missing in action. He'll never get my vote again. And, for what it's worth, he's not the same John Kerry from 1971. He's a total sell-out now.

Thank you Barbara Boxer. If only we had more boxers in the Democratic party.

[Skware_Deal]

243. Kerry is WEAK !!!!!

I voted for Kerry! I supported Kerry! He`s not suporting us! What the F is he doing in Iraq ? He should have been here signing the complaint like Boxer is. I sure doesn`t hurt to have more than one BRAVE senator signing !!! The Democrats should have chosen her for the Dem canidate.

I got an email today from the Kerry camp :

Dear Friend,

No American citizen should wake up the morning after the election and worry their vote wasn't counted. No citizen should be denied at the polls if they are eligible to vote. And, as the greatest, wealthiest nation on earth, our citizens should never be forced to vote on old, unaccountable and non transparent voting machines from companies controlled by partisan activists.

Tomorrow, members of Congress will meet to certify the results of the 2004 presidential election. I will not be taking part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors.

Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.

But, that does not mean we should abandon our commitment to addressing those problems that happened in Ohio. We must act today to make sure they never happen again.

I urge you to join me in using this occasion to highlight our demand that Congress commit itself this year to reforming the electoral system. A Presidential election is a national federal election but we have different standards in different states for casting and counting votes. We need a national federal standard to solve the problems that occurred in the 2004 election. I will propose legislation to help achieve this.

Florida 2000 was a wake up call. But the Republicans who control Congress ignored it. Will they now ignore what happened in 2004?

There are nearly 3,000,000 of you receiving this email. We accomplished so much together during the campaign. Now let's use our power to make sure that at least one good thing comes from the voting rights problems of the 2004 election. If we want to force real action on election reform, we've got to demand that congressional leaders hold full hearings. Make sure they hear from you and help hold them accountable.

Speaker Dennis Hastert: 1-202-225-0600
Leader Bill Frist: 1-202-224-3135

And please report that you've made your call right here:
http://www.johnkerry.com/signup/electoral_reform.php

I want every vote counted because Americans have to know that the votes they stood in line for, fought for, and strived so hard to cast in an election, are counted. We must make sure there are no questions or doubts in future elections. It's critical to our democracy that we investigate and act to prevent voting irregularities and voter intimidation across the country. We can't stand still as Congressional leaders seek to sweep well-founded voter concerns under the rug.

Please join with me in calling Speaker Hastert and Leader Frist and telling them that you want action on election reform now.

A recent report from Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) reveals very troubling questions that have not yet been answered by Ohio election officials. I commend the Democratic National Committee for its announcement this week that the DNC will be investing resources and reaching out to non-partisan academics in a long term study of Ohio voting irregularities. I am only sorry that we haven't seen the same from Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell and GOP officials.

Congress must play a positive, proactive role on this issue. That's why I will soon introduce legislation to reform our election system, ensuring transparency and accountability in our voting system and that all Americans have an opportunity to vote and have their vote counted.

Please remember to let us know that you made your call when you're done. We're hoping to ensure House and Senate leaders' offices hear our demand for action on election reform in meaningful way. Please take a moment to let us know you have made your call here: http://www.johnkerry.com/signup/electoral_reform.php

Thank you,

John Kerry


P.U !!

To me, he is basically saying that he knows the Repukes did something sneaky, but oh well... we`ll get them next time. What ??!!! A lot of people worked their asses off for him, and now all he he wants to do is introduce reform. He should be leading the charge!!!

I`ve read where it is said that the election wouldn`t be affected by the Ohio Complaint. LIKE HELL! I can do 3rd grade math. If twenty electoral votes were taken away from Bush and given to Kerry, then....Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new legitimate President !!

Skull and Bones brotherhood forever !!!.....NOT !!!!

[talk hard]

223. The Democratic Party Just Imploded

God bless Barbara Boxer for being the only Senator to joint the Black Caucus' challenge to the Ohio vote. Not a single one of the mother-fuckers in the Senate stood or voted with her. And two-thirds of the House Democrats voted against the challenge.

That's it. If the Democratic Party thinks we are going to follow their mealy-mouthed, impotent course, they've got another thing coming to them. And if John Kerry thinks he's going to run in 2008, he will get a rude awakening.

I hereby abandon the Democratic Party because they no longer represent me.

And if the voting "irregularities" aren't fixed, I will never vote again because it has been rendered a waste of my time.

I call upon all those here to start brainstorming a way to take our country back. Forget the Democratic Party. They have rendered themselves useless, pointless, and impotent.

[aikido15]

230. Already on it...

I've written to these people for more information...I like what I have read so far. I also like that it is a global movement, US first of course.

http://www.solidarity-us.org/index.html

[DaDeacon]

231. You Maybe right ...

I'm really thinking about forming a Black Socialist Party. The Dems are showing there "lack" of true colors here. It's high time that the dems get pressed for the black vote and not take it for granted.

[Shadder]

232. Only one way that I can honestly see

Revolution

[DaDeacon]

233. Time for us to fight for us again...

http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/

USA: Black Panther Party
The Ten-Point Program



1. We Want Freedom. We Want Power To Determine
The Destiny Of Our Black Community.

We believe that Black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny.
2. We Want Full Employment For Our People.

We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the White American businessmen will not give full employment, then the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.
3. We Want An End To The Robbery
By The Capitalists Of Our Black Community.

We believe that this racist government has robbed us, and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for the genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered six million Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over fifty million Black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.
4. We Want Decent Housing Fit For The Shelter Of Human Beings.

We believe that if the White Landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people.
5. We Want Education For Our People That Exposes
The True Nature Of This Decadent American Society.
We Want Education That Teaches Us Our True History
And Our Role In The Present-Day Society.

We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.
6. We Want All Black Men To Be Exempt From Military Service.

We believe that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black people, are being victimized by the White racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.
7. We Want An Immediate End To
Police Brutality And Murder Of Black People.

We believe we can end police brutality in our Black community by organizing Black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our Black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all Black people should arm themselves for self- defense.
8. We Want Freedom For All Black Men
Held In Federal, State, County And City Prisons And Jails.

We believe that all Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.
9. We Want All Black People When Brought To Trial To Be Tried In
Court By A Jury Of Their Peer Group Or People From Their Black
Communities, As Defined By The Constitution Of The United States.

We believe that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so that Black people will receive fair trials. The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peer group. A peer is a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the Black community from which the Black defendant came. We have been, and are being, tried by all-White juries that have no understanding of the "average reasoning man" of the Black community.
10. We Want Land, Bread, Housing, Education,
Clothing, Justice And Peace.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect of the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

Written: October 15, 1966
Source: War Against the Panthers, by Huey P. Newton, 1980
Transcription/Markup & corrections: MIM/Brian Basgen
Online Version: Marxist History Archive (marxists.org) 2001

Note: Corrections to the MIM transcription have been made in this version. The MIM version had some errors, most notably point ten contained a fabrication of unknown origin, describing the parties "Major Political Objective, A United Nations Supervised Plebiscite". This has been removed. The present version is checked word for word according to the version found in War Against the Panthers, by Huey P. Newton, 1980.

Black Panther Party

[manxkat]

238. I agree -- it's sad but true

We liberals and progressives have been abandoned -- and, I truly believe that if Howard Dean or another similarly outspoken left-of-center leader could emerge, he should run as an independent (or start a brand new party) -- there's a hunger in America for this, I feel it. We ARE the majority, even if the media tells us otherwise -- the Republican mafia minority has taken over, and we want our country back. The Democrats are history, and today has proven it.

[Edgewater_Joe]

242. The Beltway Is Simply Too Damned Corrupt

It's good there was a public record, but leave it to the damned DLC jackasses to realize that by doing it the way they did, they kind of undercut the entire exercise.

The answer, at least according to what I see, is to trash the Dems and rebuild it, ground up, precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state. Use DLC, use NDN, use MoveOn, use whatever you got -- but give money to Democrats working outside of the corrupt DNC/DLC/DC web, not the DNC. Give money to the REAL Democrats.

Unless Dean or Rosenberg gets the DNC chair, in which case the thing'll be trashed and we can support them anyway.

If we take over the party, we now know that the DC Dems are going to be feckless enough to follow us. Use that bit of knowledge to our advantage and go forth.

[nariel]

234. It's a bust...

Watching C-SPAN, listening to the likes of Hayworth, Ney, Miller, et al describe the dems as "the Michael Moore wing", among other silly accusations, I'm sickened by the lack of solidarity among Democratic reps--and Senators--to stand up with those objecting and demand an investigation (or to refute these stupid statements). 87 dems voted against the objection! Dismal vote in the Senate. As many posters have noted above, it is about our basic right to vote, about the integrity of our votes, NOT about overturning the election, yet even some dems are spouting that line. It seems that, once again, the dems are allowing the other side to dictate the argument--how can they let these jerks get away with this?

Those who argued in favor of the objection did so eloquently, and I commend them for doing so. Conyers is from my home state of MI and I'll stand behind him any day, I know he has done a tremendous amount of work on this, but I'm disappointed in Levin and Stabenow--they will be getting a letter to that effect...and I will demand a response.

It's a fractured party, for sure, but to me the question is: can it be healed? Wasn't this the litmus test for dems to stand up and contest this farce of an election? Hmmm, well I suppose there have been many opportunities to stand up to the repugs, but this is so basic.

Ok, enough whining...time for...bartender, got any blue liqueurs on hand? No?...well I'll take anything but a red colored drink...I'm celebrating ya know...my first DU post...oh? hell yes, I'll raise my glass with ya...to Conyers...to Boxer....

[ahem]

240. Welcome!

That was a great first post. And I'll happily drink with you. I could use one. We can have blue Mai Tais.

[Dr Batsen D Belfry]

241. 2 Hour Delay, No Congressional Kindergarten

While it did bring the issue back into the spotlight temporarily, overall it did nothing, and it will do nothing.

The Dems are sufficiently sidelined until they can start taking state legislatures.

The Republicans are now officially the party of voter disenfranchisement.

We knew all this going in, we know it coming out. Nothing has changed.

DBDB

PS Welcome Nariel

[bob-calhoun]

245. Boxer standing up did do something

I'll tell you what it did -- it shows a new, fighting direction for democrats. Only weeks ago, this was going to go by without a peep from anyone so was, for that matter, the confirmation of Gonzales.

With what Boxer did today, we have someone to rally around and hopefully, she will serve as someone for other democrats to rally around as well. Remember it is always the hardest for that first person to stand up. Let us stand up with her even if other senators didn't.

[nariel]

246. Bats...I think you're right...

"Nothing has changed" - except that I had a lot of hope for this issue to make a difference....


Bartender, 2 blue mai tais, for my friend and me...oh, and another round of praise for those who speak truth to power!

Thanks ahem and Bats for the warm welcome!!

[bob-calhoun]

248. my letter to Boxer

Because I belief that we should write letters in support of democrats when they do the right thing as much as we should write letters to those who do not, I sent this email to Senator Boxer (I am from Calif.)...

Dear Senator Boxer:

Thank you so much for standing up with Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and formally protesting the Ohio votes. The courageous stand that you took today lets me know that my continued participation in the democratic process (IE: writing letters such as this one) does have an impact and that my views do not fall on deaf ears.

Again, Thank you,

[llpoperations]

249. Abandon the D.C. DNC/DLC

We saw today why so many people don't care about who gets elected. One party is just as corrupt, venal and unscrupulous as the other.

The Democratic Party under its current leadership is unworthy of our support.

There are a number of "safe" DEM incumbents who need to be removed, not by the GOP, but by us, the grassroots activists.

We can rock their world with a series of surprise attacks at the primaries. Don't let them run unopposed, and don't give them or the Party one red cent.

Let's elect more like John Conyers, but not as Democrats.

[nariel]

250. Conyers is great!

At the press conference after the vote, Conyers exonerated Michael Moore; said he presented the truth in F911 when he showed the futile effort by the Black Caucus to get senatorial support in 2000, and the press blocked it. (That, in fact, was one of the few surprises to me in F911--I hadn't seen it before).

I hope some repugs were watching this--not that it would have a positive effect on them. They've got their buzzwords, as we saw in the House today, and that's that. It's a tired mantra, no?

[SittingBull]

260. I hadn't seen it before, too

therefore it gaves a simple reason- it wasn't shown anywhere. I've learned, that only one camera was there in 2001. This material we seen in F911. No press reports, nothing in de media-
and this time it's quite the same. Here in Germany you have to look with magnifying glasses, to get the little brainswashed info about the objection...

Only CT's...

[goforit]

253. Way to go Barbara!!!!!............Is their a light in the tunnel?

[elshiva]

257. GOD BLESS BOXER

LONG LIVE THE BOXER REBELLION AND THE LIBERAL BACKLASH.

[and]

254. In appreciation, donate to Senator Boxer's PAC

In appreciation for Senator Boxer's courage, donate money to her PAC:

http://www.changethecongress.com/

[Time for change]

256. Boxer for President?

Maybe we should find a way to let her know that by her actions today she just took the lead in the race for the '08 nomination. If that message gets out, maybe some other Senators will get on board.

[Chalco]

261. The Washington Post today January 7th

put an article about the event in congress deep in the A section and pretty much dismissed the whole thing.

CNN presented it as a "snag" easily overcome.

No real coverage that I can see.

Has this country become disgusting or what?

[ICantBelieve]

263. WE NEED TO USE THIS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!!

Please! I think there is a major opportunity here. The Democrats made reasonable arguments about well-known and PROVEN problems in Ohio. The Republicans called the discussion a waste of time. Let's take a page from the Neocon book and repeat this to everyone we know, in every forum we can think of, until people believe it.

"Republicans don't care whether YOUR vote counts"
"Republicans don't care whether YOUR vote counts"
"Republicans don't care whether YOUR vote counts"
"Republicans don't care whether YOUR vote counts"

See my blog for ideas for letters. Tell all your friends. Tell all the press. Post ideas to my blog. Please, we can use this. Yesterday, the Republicans made it clear ON THE RECORD that they believe the American voter is nothing more than a mosquito to be batted away while they, the Republicans in Congress, get back to running THEIR (not OUR) government.

http://meowmeow.forclark.com