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T_i_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 07:59 AM Original message |
Venezuelan troops grab farms from "Lord Spam" |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'm sorry, but I'm sadden to hear this. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. At SOME point, the assets MUST be redistributed |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. If he feels justified, I hope he does a good job of explaining |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Aw, gee, but don't you know, agribusiness is a GOOD thing! |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Its really a property rights thing |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Chavez is NOT a dictator!!!! |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 08:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
57. In America, property rights is an institution older than God. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. American property rights includes the principle of adverse possession -- |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Adverse Possession does not apply here if the government is |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Adverse possession is between two private parties. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I am not sure you understand everything that goes into adverse |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. It's a new breed, but is based on logic of adverse possession. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Again...Adverse possession is not what is going on here... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I'm using it as an (apt) analogy that explains the economic goal |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Right...this is exacly why your analogy does not fit... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. The inequitable distribution of land was rememdied by AdvPoss statutes |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Hey, I pointed out that I have used AP... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Read the thing I just quoted. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. No doubt you are wrong. n/t |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. That's also a label and not an argument. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. lol. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. LoL -- "lots of lables"; LoA: "Lack of Argument." |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Poeple are all in a tizzy about the rights of the rich. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. No, what this title holder is "upset" about is the |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Not if you are in the way of progress! |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Excellent point there, sweetheart!!! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. Inequitably distributed land not being used productively will destroy ... |
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Philly Buster (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 09:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Very well put |
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poe (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. land is freedom property rights is slavery |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Nice, |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
88. Ahem, that would be a RW talking point. I HATE RWTPs!!! eom |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. That is not a RW talking point, that is pointing |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. You were just labeling it. You didn't make an argument about breadth |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. I think you can figure out how it was overbroad and incorrect. n/t |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. That's a label. That's not an argument. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Race baiting is race baiting. You take a class of people, |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. What was the stereotype/generalization? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Agree, but you don't have to look... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. and the repubes have "blamed" it on taxes |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Like the way we must prove that rich people took the money improperly... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. It would not be difficult to prove if it were true. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. That's probably true. But the question is what to do NOW... |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. But what if a government is owned by corrupt |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Or do what they did in Honolulu & Atlantic City: Raise the property taxes |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
55. Exactly. Sounds just like the sorts of tactics that the |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
54. There are land grabs, then there are land grabs. |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yes, and some government or quasi-government positions |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. At one time the British held title to the land we are living on too BC |
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KitSileya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
67. It is sort of what comes around, goes around, isn't it? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Deleted message |
w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. The right-wing consolidates power. The left-wing deconsolidates power. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. ...and what Chávez wants to do is to allow people to decentralize the ... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. Land reform is the most misunderstood policy on earth |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. So True! And I'll add this: in the US this kind of land reform is en- |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
87. Incorrect, (see post above). |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. You are a little misinformed about Hawaii... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
91. Is this part of what you were discussing? Found it in google..... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. Here are some articlles posted in the last day or two on a similar thread |
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BAPhill (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
11. They should offer him a buyout... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
80. Corporations do "hostile takeovers" all the time |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
12. If society has the authority to draft a person and force him/her to die |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
13. Maybe Chavez is going to build a baseball stadium. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. we call that 'Involuntary Annexation'... and it's all perfectly LEGAL |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Doesn't Chimmpy call it " Eminent Domain" |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Or perhaps a highway? n/t |
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Bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
18. Chavez should have been gone long ago... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. "Investors" sounds so.... innocuous |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. What arguable "methods" ? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. "Devestors" or "Exvestors" would be a better term. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. You have it backwards - it's the foreign colonialists that are the thieves |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I, for one, am buying it |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Having you been following this idle land story |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Bill Clinton didn't underwrite a coup against Chavez, did he? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Clinton was leery of Chavez from the beginning -- and still is |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You know, just because we're Democrats doesn't mean we defer |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. not a dimes worth of difference |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
63. I've seen complimentary quotes about one from the other here. |
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bin.dare (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Clinton is a mixed bag on Venezuela and Chavez ... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Albright is on the board of N.E.D., IIRC. |
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bin.dare (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. "the price is worth it" says Albright ... |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. A wacko sure - at least a wacko on the side of the poor |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Wacko is a term used only by BushCo backers, his spinmeisters |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Two types of people... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Deleted message |
Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. You might be able to see him waving from the blue house |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. You seem to be ignorant of history... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. I travel there too and disagree with you strongly. You must only |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
97. Chavez gives the land to the citizens; |
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AlbizuX (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
20. hmmm....um... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
117. Damn Right! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. You Go, Hugo!!!! |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Viva CHAVEZ!! |
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fedsron2us (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. The Vesteys |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
28. Why that Chavez is a bloody Robin Hood!! |
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fedsron2us (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Most Brits who know about the Vesteys do not like them |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
62. Stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, outrageous! |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
29. Chavez is the kind of liberal we could use. Three cheers. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. Before too many people fall for the disinformation about "land grabbing" |
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AlbizuX (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. thanks |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-05 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
46. Gasp!! Can such a thing be allowed to happen? |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
72. From one who lived in Venezuela... |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. So this is SOP in Venezuela and has been for a long long time |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Victor Jara and Woody Guthrie chime in! |
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Mike Niendorff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. There is no such thing as a legitimate land title. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. So, you are saying two wrongs make a right? n/t |
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Mike Niendorff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. who said there are two wrongs here? |
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radric (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Isn't this what happened in Zimbabwe? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Actually, "all reports" are having a hard time arguing that it |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
77. I don't see how this is a good thing. |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Have you read RedCloud's post #72 ? |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. translation of Ali Primera (Vzla Protest singer) |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Thanks for posting Ali Primera and the translation. |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. The right of a man to feed himself is the most fundmental of rights |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-05 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
89. Anybody want to bet what will happen to the farm? |
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radric (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #89 |
104. More than likely that will happen.. |
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mojojojo27 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
93. hmm |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
98. Appalling stats from bemildred's thread. Grotesque. |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
101. No need to weep for the Vesteys. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-05 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
118. pretty sure the same policy has been in place in Costa Rica for years |
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