Graner gets 10 years

[Midlodemocrat]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6795956/

[fooj]

1. And Gonzales gets a promotion!

Where's the accountability?

[Midlodemocrat]

3. No kidding.

Not that Graner doesn't have some culpability, but come on!

[MajorFlaw]

13. Of course Graner is guilty, but the idiots who thought up this policy are

guiltier. It is typical military to punish the lowest level personnel involved while promoting their commanders. Same shit, different day.

[Chicago Democrat]

16. How much guiltier? Twice? 10X? 100X? How about 100,000X?

DISGUSTING
Makes me sick. What a horrible, terrible, unjust, disproportionate, historic SHAME!!


A SHAME ON US AND OUR CHILDREN!

[MajorFlaw]

17. Infinitely guiltier. If Graner had said "no", they would have found

someone else; if command had said "no", Abu Ghraib wouldn't have happened. Simple as that.

[TahitiNut]

23. Agreed. 100%

:thumbsup:

[DistantWind88]

28. What military person thought up the policy?

[Milspec]

31. I would also like to see

General Karpinski head on a platter on this one

[Big_Mike]

32. Can you say

Dereliction?

Her face should appear in the dicitionary under that heading. If ever I saw a office less fit to be "Commanding General" it is her. If anything, she should get longer in jail that Graner.

In a career that exposed me to examples of all types of leaders, both positive and negative, I never ran across anyone so useless as her and the "staff" she developed to support her.

Read the reports generated in the AR 15-6 investigation. This woman should not have led, no forgive me, been in charge of a mess kit repair squad, let alone a Brigade.

[w4rma]

33. You have chosen the wrong General as a target. She was overruled.

She was overruled by Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez.

General Asserts She Was Overruled on Prison Moves
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19081-2004May11.html

[havocmom]

2. In an Iraqi prison, I hope. (n/t)

[Just Me]

5. He and ALL his conspirators deserve LIFE at that prison!!!

Only the most sadistic of minds advocate for or engage in torture!!!

[Mz Pip]

4. Bet Bush

pardons him just like Nixon pardoned Lt. Calley of Mi Lai fame. Graner will do a couple of years and then be out of there.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[bipolarity1]

11. No way

that's not how military justice works

[Mz Pip]

12. Is military justice

exempt from presidential interference? Maybe you're right, but if Bush can pardon Graner I suspect that somewhere down the line he will.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[TahitiNut]

24. He can. He won't.

Fallguys are NEVER rescued ... it negates their usefulness.

[Mz Pip]

26. People have such short memories

This administration counts on people's not paying attention and easily forgetting important things. Graner may be a fallguy but in the minds of many he's a brave, bold and loyal soldier. Bush could reward him for taking the fall, just like he's rewarded so many of those who have screwed up.

4 years from now I doubt anyone will even remember the name of Graner. Plenty of time for some revisionist history.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[TahitiNut]

27. Oh, you're talking 4 years from now? Maybe.

He's not a Colonel, though. :shrug:

[Kadie]

6. Graner takes stand for Abu Ghraib sentencing - link

Graner takes stand for Abu Ghraib sentencing
T.A. BADGER, Associated Press Writer

Saturday, January 15, 2005



(01-15) 10:17 PST FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) --

Army Spc. Charles Graner Jr., the suspected ringleader of the Abu Ghraib prison abuse, took the stand for the first time Saturday and said he was ordered by interrogators to physically mistreat and sexually humiliate prisoners.

Speaking a day after his conviction for the abuse, Graner described himself as a by-the-book prison guard who was corrupted by superiors.

He said he initially resisted pressure to mistreat prisoners, but his Army superiors made it clear to him that he was expected to obey the commands of the military and civilian intelligence agents who ran his part of Abu Ghraib.

Graner said a lieutenant in his unit told him, "If (military intelligence) asks you to do this, it needs to be done. They're in charge, follow their orders."

more...
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/15/national1309EST0510.DTL

[latteromden]

7. And we'll never know the administration's role in this now, will we?

I doubt it.

Edited for spelling

[bipolarity1]

8. I hate to say

I told you so, but, I was right on the money.

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[bipolarity1]

22. thanks

good job

[Zen]

25. Couple of pats on each others back

:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[orthogonal]

9. Fucking disgusting

The jury could have given him 15 years; they gave him only two-thirds of that.

Graner stained my country's honor; what the fuck is the mitigating factor there?

[Turbineguy]

10. It was a case where

a policy found a few sadistic enough to carry it out.

OK, those who did the carrying out are getting theirs.

Now what about the policy makers?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

14. Another link: Abu Ghraib abuser given 10 years jail

The 36-year-old military policeman was seen as the ringleader of the abuses that involved beating prisoners, piling them up naked atop each other and forcing them to masturbate.

In his court martial at the Fort Hood army base in Texas, Graner argued he was following orders to "soften up" prisoners for interrogation.

The prosecution portrayed him as a "depraved" thug who beat and humiliated detainees for sport.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200501/s1282651.htm

[bluestateguy]

15. Throw away the key

Now get the commanding officers next!

[karlrschneider]

18. Meanwhile Alberto Gonzalez, who "approved" it, gets promoted.

How fucked up are we?...the needle on my wearefuckedometer broke off.
:grr:

[AlCzervik]

19. Don't worry, i'm sure Chimpoleon has his "Medal of Freedom"

ready for him.

[Bo]

21. Exactly...Gonzalo gets a promo?

This whole this is FUBAR

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

30. "How Quaint."

:grr: