Many Iraqis Say Graner Abuse Sentence Too Lenient

[leftchick]

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Many Iraqis reacted angrily on Sunday to news that U.S. soldier Charles Graner had been sentenced to 10 years in jail for his role in prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib jail, saying he should have faced harsher punishment.

But struggling to cope with daily violence, crime, and fuel and food shortages, and fearing more bloodshed ahead of Jan. 30 elections, most said they had paid little attention to Graner's court martial.

Some said members of Saddam Hussein's regime responsible for torture and killing at the notorious prison west of Baghdad before the U.S.-led invasion should also be brought to justice.

"It's too little. This isn't justice," trader Ali Ahmed, 23, said of Graner's sentence.

"Even capital punishment isn't enough. But since it's forbidden to torture him the way he tortured the prisoners, I would have settled for the death penalty."

[0007]

1. I don't know what the answer is, other than Graners' punishment

should be in the realm of helping Iraqi families for at least the next twenty years.

Ten years in Fort Leavenworth? How much of that will Graner serve?

[Just Me]

8. His "superior's" sentence should be LIFE w/o freedom.

He breached his duty to protect the laws of this country.

His superiors advised him to breach that duty; hence, they too breached their duty to protect the laws of this country.

The neoCONimperialists, whose puppet/mask is that fictional George W. Bush "character" flashed upon American screeens, produced the "legal authority" memo to breach such laws,...and they should be charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to a LIFE WITHOUT FREEDOM!!!

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[NYC]

13. Have they gotten away clean?

Maybe it isn't over yet? Maybe there are some honest, just people who will prosecute. I still have hope. (That hope is based on nothing, but I hope.)

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[NYC]

20. So far, the only people charged are the ones like Graner.

I am hoping the investigation will broaden.

I don't know what to say. Bush & Co. seem to have tight control. I hope someone breaks through, and prosecutes.

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[NYC]

25. High-Ranking Officers May Face Prosecution in Iraqi Prisoner Abuse, Milita

There is hope. From The New York Times:

High-Ranking Officers May Face Prosecution in Iraqi Prisoner Abuse, Military Officials Say

But the scandal, which exploded last spring, has led to several Pentagon investigations that have found what one called "personal responsibility at higher levels," not only for failure to supervise and enforce discipline, but also in some cases for condoning and encouraging mistreatment of detainees in cell blocks and during interrogations.

[pinniped]

2. He should've been tried in Iraq.

Let the "real" Iraqi people decide his fate.

[DS1]

5. Finally something wiped that smug grin off the little f*ckers face

:grr:

[Junkdrawer]

3. Many DUers Say Rumsfeld's Abuse Sentence Missing...

Clearly, someone besides Graner engineered the whole torture system.

[noamnety]

4. I agree with them

He should have had a charge (or multiple charges) against him for each prisoner he abused, each instance.

Ten charges - that seems light. There's seven obvious charges of abuse I see just from the pyramid photo alone. To get an average of a year per charge seems insignificant.

Does he end up as a registered sex offender now?

[alexisfree]

6. THis is what needs to happen to him to make things right...

We put him in a jail cell with big bubba and tyrone.

[MountainLaurel]

15. Better yet

In a cell with the people he helped torture. I would be OK with that sort of justice.

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[MountainLaurel]

19. No, these soldiers need to know

Just how evil what they are doing is.

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[Joe Chi Minh]

7. Isn't he the satanic, nerdy little

piece of sh*t who gloried in seeing "grown men urinating"? Men captured by others and placed totally at his mercy.

He should have some special services characters work him over and terrify him until he urinates, have him suck it up with a straw, spit it into a phial and then have the photo on the front page of every newspaper in the land.

Yes, ... afraid it's Sunday. But it'll be nothing to what he's going to face in the next life. And for all eternity. Perhaps he and Pinochet will be alternately be placed at each other's mercy in a similar environment.

Oh, and then parachute him into a particularly unfriendly quarter of Iraq.

[Karenina]

9. It IS like a slap on the wrist

and contributes to the conviction of Amurikka as a rogue state. NO ONE has been held accountable to date for the HORROR your *pretzeldent's LIES have unleashed upon the world.

[louis-t]

11. I still say

Grainer's actions fall within the * admin level of 'acceptable' conduct. They have raised the bar on what constitutes 'torture'.
If Grainer's conduct is acceptable to this admin in theory, why is he in jail?

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[louis-t]

29. B-b-b-u-t the Geneva Conventions don't apply to insurgents!

Alberto Gonzales says so.

[orthogonal]

16. Too lenient? Ya think?

That asshole should have been given 10 years -- in an Iraqi prison.

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[alexisfree]

23. He should serve in a Siberia Jail...Iraq prison is for non violent felons.

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[KayLaw]

27. Are you sure about that?

I'll admit I didn't follow Graner's trial, but people did die at Abu Grahib. Here's a link that discusses how the dead man Graner died; he was tortured to death. Lindsey Graham who saw photos and videotape we haven't, said what he saw amounted to rape, torture, and murder.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1442125,00.html

Also, when you say a vindictive attitude hurts "US", whom do you mean? Americans? Democrats? DU posters?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

32. indigent?

"in·di·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nd-jnt)
adj.
Experiencing want or need; impoverished. See Synonyms at poor.
Archaic. Lacking or deficient."

n.
A needy or destitute person.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=indigent


no surely that's not it.

perhaps

"in·dig·nant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-dgnnt)
adj.
Characterized by or filled with indignation. See Synonyms at angry."
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=indignant

yeah i think thats what you meant. let's look at that one moment.

"in·dig·na·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ndg-nshn)
n.
Anger aroused by something unjust, mean, or unworthy."
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=indignation

so youre "outraged by the outrage" eh? does that describe your stance? why is that?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

33. i didnt answer your question though

"my my, and what would you righteously indigent folks due to someone who actually killed someone? "

i cant speak for everybody but murder should get you life in prison. So would sexual humiliation. Again, this is just the opinion of one "righteously idigent" type.

"bad as this was, no one was seriously hurt." Lie.

"you have lost your perspective." Opinion, notice how i think you have lost your perspective.

"Child abusers get let go." Yes, when justice is not served, they do. Now youre making my point for me.

[Catchawave]

26. Related article from AP

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&nci...

Excerpt from article:

A teacher in the northern city of Kirkuk said the abuse at the prison recalled the crimes committed by Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime, and was perhaps more shocking because it was not expected from a country that preaches respect for human rights.


"Iraq was a cemetery for human rights violations. When Saddam created the mass graves we thought that it was a savage thing," Sardar Mohammed, 38, said. "But when we saw the Americans and what they have done at Abu Ghraib, I was astonished because America came here carrying slogans of freedom and democracy."

[lebkuchen]

28. Graner's military peers probably think "too lenient," too

especially after watching Graner walk out of the courthouse with an "I'm still smiling," having no regrets, and offering no apologies. The price for an American head just doubled.

[alexisfree]

30. Send his ass to Siberian Prison no contact with any family see if

that wipes that stupid smirk off his face.

[Guns Aximbo]

31. he'll be walkin

like a cowboy when he leaves the pokey.