Poll: Americans Hopeful on 2nd Bush Term

[no_to_war_economy]

another wonderful faith based quote

"It's best to be hopeful about the next four years," said Kellie Shanahan, a Republican and a teacher from Wilmington, N.C. "If we're not, it won't be good for our country."

.. Nearly two-thirds of those polled described Bush as likable, strong and intelligent. A majority said he is dependable and honest.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050117/D87LSGDG0.html

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. This country is on

f*cking crack.

[UpInArms]

13. the soma must be getting stronger

"It's best to be hopeful about the next four years," said Kellie Shanahan, a Republican and a teacher from Wilmington, N.C. "If we're not, it won't be good for our country."

Huh? The failure to be realistic and understand exactly what is hell is going on "won't be good for our country".

[Julius Civitatus]

18. Yup. The denial is pathological.

And the reasoning of some of these Bush voters defies any description.

:argh:

[TyeDye75]

24. Simple and to the point

[Magmadona]

35. I'm sorry.

But just who in the name of the almighty fuck are they polling, I seriously doubt they ask people who live in large cites or anywhere outside or the burbs/bubble-fuck Alabama these questions.

[GCP]

2. Have you got a link?

Rules state you have to provide a link on LBN.

Welcome! :hi:

[no_to_war_economy]

5. rookie mistake

on their now!

[dhinojosa]

Uhm did you click on that word with the underline? :) eom

[w4rma]

3. I'm hopeful that the damage he does can be limited. (nt)

[peacebird]

6. i'm HOPING the damage he does can be limited... situation hopeless however

[aden_nak]

4. Jamming a fork into a power outlet hurt! Lemme try that again.

[LibDemAlways]

7. The best I can do is

be hopeful that he doesn't get us all killed or put us all in the poorhouse....but I have my doubts.

[LiberalVoice]

8. likable, strong and intelligent

I swear to god if I had the money I would be out of this country in a second. These fucking idiots deserve what they get.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

9. I hate to agree with you

but I do.

[LiberalVoice]

14. after the elections...

DUers were quick to call eachother cowards for wanting to leave this stupid fucking country...but I say there is no more hope...and as liberals are now struggling to figure out how to win in 06' I say its a waste of time...We already know that illegitimate elections will come. And yet so many think (just like they thought would happen in Nov.) that "we won't allow it". Bullshit...We let them do it and worse yet our leaders in office let them do it.

I say if you have any hope of a planet where your kids can grow up and live free, then move to europe and when the time comes fight for what you beleieve in.

[OldVlad]

26. Elections in 06, pffff

but I say there is no more hope...and as liberals are now struggling to figure out how to win in 06' I say its a waste of time...We already know that illegitimate elections will come.

Finally somebody hit the nail on the head. I was reading this during the election and had to start posting now because there is so much optimistic fan fiction from some on here at times after the Nov debacle that I think they watched a different set of returns on Nov 2nd then I did. I don't see any reasonable outlook for hope in 06 or 2026, we decriment with every national election, and I will say it has less to do illegitimate elections then it does just getting beat. You look at a poll like this today after everything that's come out against Bu$h and it makes you wonder about going to Europe.

[The Zanti Regent]

40. Secession is the only way out.

2006 will be rigged.

The only way I see out of this is to work for secession.

[TexasLawyer]

54. Secession

Say what? Who or what needs to secede from who or what?

[purduejake]

65. Or REVOLUTION.

We need a liberal army to go in and destroy all the damned machines and the electronic voting companies. Hopefully I'll be able to afford to get the hell out of here when it comes to that or before the country becomes such a nuisance that other states attack us out of defense.

[okieinpain]

29. seconded

[Blue_Tires]

53. "These fucking idiots deserve what they get."

i said that after 2000, and sadly, the situation is much much worse now for ALL of us

[BikeWriter]

10. Phreakin ignorant deluded bastids! They're enabling that fascist!

;(

[ixion]

11. Poll Result: many Americans are living out a mass delusion

I swear, this poll does nothing more than reflect the ignorance of the mainstream populace of this country. *sigh*

I weep for my country, because it's full of morans. :cry:

[no_to_war_economy]

12. GO USA!

[fasttense]

15. I think they were very selective of the 1,000 people they polled.

You can call B**sh a lot of things but to call him intelligent is beyond belief. I don't trust this poll. Maybe the way it was worded was misleading or the people they polled were all rich white Repukes but even Repukes admit that B**sh is not the brightest light bulb on the shelf. His public speaking abilities are so bad that I've had Repukes apologize about how he speaks. There is no way they characterized B**sh as intelligent. The question was probably worded like this:

"Would you characterize B**sh as:

likable, strong and intelligent
OR
charismatic, superman and genius."

It's not like the AP reports fairly, accurately and is concerned about the progressive point of view. So they probably just polled their friends.

[durablend]

23. No accountability...

* doesn't, so why should AP?

They likely tossed out all the "negative" responses.

[54anickel]

16. Where do they find these "Dems" they quote in these POS articles?

"Parts of the Middle East live in a state of mind that's a thousand years back in history," said Thomas Callow, a Democrat from Canton, Ohio. "They do need to be brought up with the rest of the world.

"But I don't know that we have to invade every little country we have a problem with."

It seems most people "polled" just don't give a shit one way or the other:

Ahead of Bush's inauguration on Thursday, six in 10 people said they felt hopeful about his second term and in response to a separate question 47 percent said they were worried. Most said they were neither angry nor excited about his final four years in office.

[Cooley Hurd]

70. A draft will change their minds...

When their kids are sent to die on foreign sands, then they'll notice what a monster the Chimp is. Until then, "it's someone else's problem. Doesn't affect me...":grr:

[pinniped]

17. We are fucked and these are idiots uncapable of realizing that fact.

Intelligent and * shouldn't even be in the same damm story.

What the hell was their definition of intelligent?

[Supersedeas]

19. a majority????? find * dependable and honest

Dependable about what??

Honest with respect to the budget, the war, political campaigning, public address announcements???

So, what does AP mean by majority...a simple 50.01% percent of the twelve person sample taken in a heavily Republican district?

All around pathetic attempt to SPINN for the MAN-child King.

[OldVlad]

28. We are living in minority times

So, what does AP mean by majority...a simple 50.01% percent of the twelve person sample taken in a heavily Republican district?

Don't kid yourself, it is the same small majority that won the chimp reelection just a few short months ago, don't humor that "Kerry really won" rationalizations you still hear, its consistent and the dark reality, its time to wake up to the nightmare that if the Repukes can run that sub-80 IQ and win, they are the majority. Where we go from here, I am all ears.

[Supersedeas]

44. I did try to limit my response to the AP's sample...based on recent polls,

even some rationally minded 'Repukes' are having second thoughts about their glorious leader.

But, I hear you Vlad and the reality is not lost on me how such a 'poor' candidate could even come close to posting a victory with his record of failures.

I don't understand the faith-based Bush supporters...and frankly, don't want to understand them.

If we are truly the minority, then I stand there proudly.

[OldVlad]

49. Understanding is our friend

I don't understand the faith-based Bush supporters...and frankly, don't want to understand them.

Of course you do, however the appearance that they have rejected us has left you with a fair amount of bitterness. I don't blame you. However the reasons for that are common in many misunderstandings, it is the faithbased crowd that feels rejected by us because of the unfortunate appearance that we view them as ignorant dullards too stupid to realize that there should be no religion. We have allowed the anger filled atheistic set among us to blast these church goers for too long. We don't live in Manhatten/Malibu country, so we should stop trying to appeal to that.

If we are truly the minority, then I stand there proudly.

Your party and your country deserve better. If you continue to stand your ground AGAINST people who should be on your side, you will be standing in the minority all your days. "God" help us the GOP will win every election from now til the "end times" no pun intended.

[AndyTiedye]

50. Pardon Me If I Don't Rush to Jump on the Pro-Theocracy Bandwagon!

We are not saying there should be no religion. We are saying that
there should be no STATE religion.

Our founding fathers knew what evils came of state religion,
which is why they insisted on separation of church and state.

We reject "faith-based" social programs because they violate the Constitution --
in particular the "establishment" clause of the 1st amendment.

[OldVlad]

56. faith-based is the wrong word

I think using "Faithbased" was because of the way the AP phrased the story, and we continued saying that, whether or not people who belong to religious organizations should receive gov $s because it violates the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment is a compelling one that you and I engaged in before, but it is unrelated to this one. The AP story, and us were simply and incorrectly referring to the self identified "Christians" who are unfortunately voting GOP these days. It was not meant to get into the 1st Amendment issue. :-)

[Supersedeas]

51. True, most probably bad word choice square pegged me into a round slot

Not only that, but I'm probably guilty of mixing my metaphors too.
In so much as this promotes the litany of labels, well then, the bitter/anger filled atheistic/Manhattan slot might otherwise fit.

For clarity's sake:

What I can not understand is how Bush supporters can place their 'hope/faith' in an administration that has not proven their worth empirically. 'Divine Revelation' has its place--but theological epistology aside, I don't see any spiritual significance in George W. Bush's re-election. Frankly, I see no reason to 'hope or have faith' that the next four years ought to be any better than the prior four which included the greatest breach in National Security on U.S. soil since the attack on Pearl Harbor. Quoting the lady from Wilmington in the original post, we can always hope for hope's sake...just like we can hope that the National Security Advisor's promotion to Secretary of State will garner a more 'peaceful' foreign policy. The question is not whether something divine has given us anything to have faith in (that may be debatable), but my metaphor goes toward the faith misplaced in a President and an Administration that fulfills what promise for the future? Is it faith in a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages or faith in the appointment of ultra-conservative judges who will eventually overturn Roe v. Wade? I don't understand how faith in such parochial issues can trump the misguided global policies propogated by a 'leader' who neither will confront the American people with an honest discussion of 'policy' (thus, the lack of press conferences) nor when presented the opportunty can not intelligibly defend his policies even with the benefit of a scripted text from which to read.

I can confess disappointment with folks, particularly those in NC, who aided the Bush cause with their votes. But, it is not the type of disappointment that rises to the level of bitterness. I, for one, am a tithing member of the Bible Belt and am only one among many in the Congregation who find Bush's 'actions' to be less than samaritan. So, though one party or the other may suffered due to my stance on 'policy' issues, ignoring empirical evidence is not the type of GROUND I'll place my faith in.

God help us if we can not trust what is right before our eyes.

[OldVlad]

58. I appreciate and relate to your example

Yes, I agree totally with where you are coming from. This silly poll aside I think what we are dealing with in the good people of your church voting GOP isn't faith in Bu$h as much as they already agreed with many of the issues he was saying while the Dems didn't do a good job of reaching out to them as they had in the past. As you have said, others on here have, and I encounter when I argue with my GOP friends, they think Bush sounds like a grade A moron. You aren't convinced by someone who sounds dumb, that's part of being persuasive. That means they were either already convinced of what he is doing before he opens his mouth & snickers stupidly, or the Dems are convincing them to vote against D. In your example, while Roe v Wade is up for grabs even amongst your church members, the vast majority oppose the partial birth one for instance. Its something like 80% in general do too of people in general do too. (I'm shocked by that too, but hey those are political realities) Why we couldn't find a better ticket of 2 guys who actually voted against it's banning I'll never know. At the 2nd debate when that doe eyed blond girl asked him about the partial birth/$ for abortion q and Kerry's answer didn't connect, my blood turned ice cold because I knew right there it was over. I must admit abortion is not an issue that really interests me, but I understand it does many others. I've always found it to be too caustic and the vocal extremes on both sides rule the issue, but I'm certain it appears to many in your church and others that we are embracing one of those extremes. Not just in the one vote, but we all know there are many examples where we have sided with the most virulently antiChristian agnostic/atheists among us. I think if we can do a better job of joining the GOPers in condemning the impuning of people like those of your congregation, we can undo much of the damage and get many of those votes right back.

Because things are so polarizing now it appears that too many on here want to oppose the Bush voting Christians reflexively, and certainly wish to never agree with the talk radio types on anything. While that is tempting, its time for many of us to cool our partisan jets and stop and realize how we have allowed ourselves to be triangulated right out of viability in America. "The Repukes are supporting Mom and apple pie?....Well we here HATE apple pie because its synonymous with the imperilialist Amerikkkan machine of..blah blah" and sure we feel strong because we don't want to back down from a chance to fight the Republicans, but my point is maybe we should give peace a chance, then voters would give us one back.

[Supersedeas]

59. no, the problem is Christians voting Bush reflexively

with the sole basis of their decision based on 'faith' in him 'personally.'

I would be willing to wager that a majority of Christians who voted for Bush are just 'factually' wrong about where the President stands on abortions and civil unions for homosexuals.

Many voted on the basis of what they 'hope' Bush will be...not on what Bush is and has already demonstrated.

I have much more tolerance of Christians who voted for Bush on the basis on some specific item that Bush has supported--say a Constitutional Amendment to define 'marriage' as between a man and a woman. I don't agree, but I understand.

However, when these same Christians discover that this ban means nothing more than restricting the 'use' of a word, and that Bush actually supports all the rights incumbent with civil unions, and that Kerry's position was absolutely identical, it just amazes me that Christians aren't saavy to this kind of MANIPULATION.

For those who voted for Bush on the basis of that issue alone, and there were many, the idea of open discussion is almost pointless. Does this mean we shut off discussion with these type of people...no, but we ought not be any less disappointed with Christians who voted Bush reflexively.

Could be that your characterization of the folks who have problems with these type of Christians is just as flawed as the knee jerk anti-apple pie/imperialist Ameriikkkan machine caricature that you use against those who would generally criticize the positions of Christians.

Peace without an adequate understanding of the facts is pointless...kind-o-like, peace for stupidity's sake. What's the point in going there.

[OldVlad]

61. People have faith in *?

I would be willing to wager that a majority of Christians who voted for Bush are just 'factually' wrong about where the President stands on abortions and civil unions for homosexuals.

Yes, but I would wager double or nothing most of those who claim they were voting for him were really just voting against the Dems. As I said, I know of no one who takes * seriously. Besides it goes way beyond abortion or gay marriage, its a general believe that we are the party of the elitist secular coasts that look down on them. Not saying that's representative, but I am saying that's what's driving them to the polls, a rejection of the party many of them grew up in. We're not lilly white clean in that misperception, we can rightfully criticize the RW media for pigeonholing us, but we were the ones who elected a Massachuset's liberal to run after all these past failures in Congressional elections were pointing rightward. What's next, a transgendered Soviet San Franciscan? Its high time to look in the mirror a little bit here, if we keep this up the GOP will nominate a autistic deaf-mute and still pull it out.

For those who voted for Bush on the basis of that issue alone, and there were many, the idea of open discussion is almost pointless. Does this mean we shut off discussion with these type of people...no, but we ought not be any less disappointed with Christians who voted Bush reflexively.

I'm very disappointed that the Democratic Party is shrinking, and the opposition is led by THAT GUY, so should everybody. Pride isn't a substitute for results.

Peace without an adequate understanding of the facts is pointless...kind-o-like, peace for stupidity's sake. What's the point in going there.

You lost me here, peace for stupidity? Anyways, I said that because I think we have all been guilty to varying degrees of reflexively opposing and criticizing all that appears to be Republican (and have had my own words thrown back in my face at a later date for some heated words) and I think we would all be better off having "peace" for a few seconds to consider WHY we are opposing them. Sometimes its better to agree with your enemy when he's saying vague populism, then bother to split infinitives and risk looking like you're against the people. We've risked that in general on the issue of American christianity, IMO, and I think Rove has been laughing at us all the way to the White House.

[Supersedeas]

64. Very well said, Vlad...and oh so true.

[Redstone]

20. These aren't very decisive people

six in 10 people said they felt hopeful about his second term and in response to a separate question 47 percent said they were worried.

When means that seven percent of them were hopeful one minute and worried the next.

Pick one, people.

Redstone

[rockedthevoteinMA]

21. Who the hell do they poll?

No one I know has ever been polled. :shrug:

[tom_paine]

22. Germans hopeful in the wake of Hitler's Second Term

I'll just bet they couldn't wait to get 1937, 1938, 1939, and 1940 started!

Ahhh, to live in the Collective Denial and Madness of the Orwellian Tyranny.

I miss Free America, and the corspe isn;t even cold yet.

Hell, Tiberius Bunnypants* is playing "Weekend at Bernie's" with the dead brutalized body of Lady Liberty to rave reviews!

[lebkuchen]

25. the quote is probably from a kindergarten teacher

who spend her day cutting out hearts and rainbows.

[Massachusetts]

27. Hopeful of what?

Canned propaganda for the MORONS, nothing more.

[Solly Mack]

30. So by being hopeful, we can tell ourselves it's not that bad?

and it won't seem bad because we hoped for better things? So if it is bad, it's because we weren't hopeful?

"If we're not(hopeful), it won't be good for our country."


Yo!, Kellie Shanahan. That's called denial. ...among other things.

Amazing trick by republicans...they've managed to get their supporters to blame themselves for the screw-ups of the Bush administration.

[yorkiemommie1]

31. Happy talk, keep talkin' happy talk

this mindset is what one author has called 'tinkerbelle' thinking.

If you believe in Bushco then clap your hands, clap your hands.

My hope is that fascism doesn't totally overtake this country. 2008 is not the end, these folks have their sites on being in power forEVer.

[spanone]

32. Hope is ALL they have after electing the Moron-in-chief.

Likeable, strong and intelligent? God help us all.

[sakabatou]

33. What's the breakdown of this poll?

[Revolucionario83]

34. I gave up a long time ago

Intelligent???? Likable?????...:puke:

[Mz Pip]

36. I'm hoping a lot, too

-that he won't be as awful as he was in his first term.

..and who the hell did they poll who believe Bush is dependable and honest. Geez. I know i can depend on him to do exactly the opposite of what is good for this country but he gets people to go along with him by being dishonest.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Magmadona]

38. Let stupid and co die.

These people whoever they may be taking these polls are not human or capable of ration thought, they like a land full of poo and can't help but take a bite of the fecal fruit till its gone. Yet whets funny is when the shit really hits the fan and these villagers suffer, I'm not helping a single one them. Frankly they can die for all I care, they've made the lives of generations to come a whole lot worse. Let them die choking on shit stick in poo land maybe they’ll go on to visit their God Dale Enhart or as the true believers call him number "3".

[devinsgram]

37. One word "Delusional"

What else can describe those who have their heads in the sand.

[WritersBlock]

39. I'm just hoping we, and the rest of the world, survive it. n/t

[agincourt]

41. I guess this is proof,

the the prescription drug "happy pill" industry is just way, way too big.

[buddysmellgood]

42. OK, so people are stupid. We know that. But this also means that the

repukes like the one in the story have set themselves up for another fall. They are trying to keep a stiff upper lip and be "hopeful." There will not be a happy conclusion to Iraq. Dubya will be mired in a shitstorm of his own making for the remaining few months of his appointment. Lies about paying the press, 9-11, social security, and his general evil nature will ultimately make it unbearable for these sheeple. The boosh administration is a balloon filled with liquid shit. The repukes keep squeezing it trying to keep everything in, but then something else leaks...pretty soon, they will release a shitstorm and wonder how it all went so horribly wrong.

[lancdem]

57. I agree

Besides, people are always hopeful before an inauguration. It doesn't matter who's getting sworn. This will dissipate once the pomp wears off.

[genieroze]

43. Where did they poll, freeper land?

[uppityperson]

45. I'm Hopeful but not excited

I hope he doesn't destroy everything and that all the rest of humanity and life doesn't suffer too much. GWB has more of us praying than ever before.

"Most said they were neither angry nor excited about his final four years in office." I'm certainly not excited.

[Massachusetts]

46. We Must Remember

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." John Adams:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Megahurtz]

47. Just a bunch of ostriches

with their heads in the sand.

[blackspade]

48. Americans are on the...

collective Krack pipe again.

I mean, what does this guy have to do?

I'm waiting for the headline:

President Bush urinates on Tomb of Unknown Soldier: Experts say urine excellent for cleaning grime from stone.
or
President Bush kills hooker in Lincoln Bedroom: Pat Robertson says Bush immediately repented.

In the name of the All-Father what will it take before the MSM gets it's head out of its ass and actually starts reporting actual news rather than 'good-facts'?

[rodeodance]

52. vote on MSNBC poll now, 74% say NO-not helpful

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=98755#98772

MSNBC poll

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032105 /
Are you feeling hopeful about Pres. Bush's second term agenda?YesNo
Vote to see results

[Ms_Mary]

55. Who are they polling? Poll me, damn it!

[Magmadona]

60. Crack+Nascar+Flag waving fuckery= No peace.

Better call up number "3" and pray he can make them put the pipe down.

[jerryman814]

62. Who are these 1000 "adults"?

Can they read? Are they literate "Americans"? What percentage of them watch FOX News regularly? Bahh...

Sometimes the AP infuriates me with their generalizations based on silly polls like this. It's a shame that they get solicited to the mainstream press so easily too.

[Jamastiene]

63. Do what?

must have polled people here where I live. They disgust me. Hopeful was what I was 10 years ago. Now, not.

[frankrizzo]

66. FOR AL THE WRONG REASONS

I recently read this article on
www.thecatholicchallenge.com/768articles.htm
Any comments or opinions?





FOR THE WRONG REASONS

by Thomas W. Rezanka, Esq.



Some people voted for George Bush because he was anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. Some voted for him because they refused to believe that he lied America into the war with Iraq. Some voted for him because they couldnít quite warm-up to John Kerry. Some voted for George Bush because their prejudice would not let them vote for a Catholic. Some voted for George Bush even though they donít agree with a great many of his decisions. Some voted for George Bush because he is a Republican, and if the Republican Party ran a monkey, this voter would still vote Republican. Some voted for George Bush because we are at war, and they believe that we should not change Presidents in mid-stream. Some voted for George Bush because they believe the big lie advanced by the U.S. Catholic Bishops that voting for John Kerry, a pro-choice candidate, was a sin. Some voted for George Bush because he is more like them. Some voted for George Bush because he is adamant about his positions. Some voted for George Bush even though they recognized that a man who never admits that he is wrong can be a dangerous leader. Some voted for George Bush because the responsibilities of their jobs and family keep them from reading a daily paper or from watching the news each night. Some voted for George Bush because they are inherently selfish and would never consider what is best for their community or their nation as a whole. Some voted for George Bush because they refuse to believe that his administrative rule changes or lack of enforcement of laws or rules (which were put into place to protect all of us) is now actually endangering our health and general welfare. Some voted for George Bush because they are not concerned that 44 million Americans are without health insurance or that over the last 3.5 years between 3 to 5 million more Americans are now classified as living in poverty. Some voted for George Bush because they never heard he wanted to re-classify mercury as a non-toxic or less toxic substance. Some voted for George Bush because of pride; the pride that tells you we are Americans, we donít have to consider the views of people outside of our country who disagree with us or who despise our leader. Some voted for George Bush because he ran the most deceptive political advertising in our history, which deflected attention from his own dismal record. Some voted for George Bush because they believe he is right. Some people voted for George Bush because they are unaware of the number of political appointments that he made of people from industry who are now regulating those same industries. Unfortunately for all of us as Americans, this means that George W. Bush was re-elected mostly for all of the wrong reasons. The question now is: Are we going to actively participate in what our President and other elected representatives are doing?

[Speed8098]

67. Doesn't look like that to me

Are you feeling hopeful about Pres. Bush's second term agenda? * 28828 responses
Yes 26%
No 74%

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Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/

[Skittles]

68. I don't believe this bullshit

even the idiot bush-voters I know would not describe that f***wit as "intelligent". I smell BULLSHIT.

[mutius]

69. just think of the last four

bush is destroying my country.