White House aide's father alleges LBJ arranged John Kennedy's murder

[Nambe]

Elisabeth Bumiller NYT

In the firmament of American political families, the McClellans of Austin are not in the constellation of Kennedys and Bushes. But like both of those dynasties at points in their histories, the McClellans now have political power in multiple generations, a family member in the White House and a relative they would like to sweep under the carpet. ---

The book is to be released on Sept. 30 by Hannover House, a tiny publisher based in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Eric Parkinson of Hannover House said that Barr McClellan's book would have a large first printing - 100,000 copies - and that he expected it to be one of the big sellers of the year.

The book asserts that Johnson plotted the killing of Kennedy through Edward Clark, now dead, who was for a half-century one of the most powerful political figures in Texas as well as Johnson's personal lawyer. Barr McClellan, in an interview last week, said that he had worked in Clark's firm but had parted company with him in 1978 over business gone sour. ---

Barr McClellan added that his book would offer photographs, letters and fingerprints to back up his claim. Johnson had a clear motive, he said, in that he faced being dropped from the ticket. ---

[roguevalley]

1. What an abysmal, cretinous, stupendous

libelous crock of shit. There is no bottom for these people, no line below which they won't cross, no end to their evil. He can rot in hell for this rotten little book.

RV, who remembers the GOOD days of this country when the Great Society was a reality, not a dream and you can thank LBJ for it. God bless his wife, Claudia "Lady Bird" Johnson.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. Excuse me, but to which "Great Society" are you referring?...

...the one that was an extension of JFK's "Camelot", or the one that pumped American boys into Vietnam as fast they could replace the ones being killed? If you think I'm kidding about the latter, do a Google search for "NSAM 273" which was signed by LBJ four days after JFK was killed.

Lady Bird was very active in purchasing stock in two Texas-based companies six months before LBJ became president. They were Bell Helicopter, the company that produced most of the helicopters used in Vietnam, and General Dynamics, the jet aircraft manufacturer. JBJ and Lady Bird were worth about $200,000 when LBJ took over the White House, and when they left they were worth $6 million.

Oh, and by the way, at least two witnesses verified that a party took place the evening of November 21, 1963, at the home of a wealthy Texas oilman. In attendance were several more representatives of Big Oil, three former members of the CIA that had been fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, and some military big-wigs. Following a blow-out argument with JFK concerning the seating arrangements, LBJ joined the party later in the evening. When LBJ arrived, he and the people noted above retired to a private conference room. Later that evening LBJ was heard to say that he wouldn't have to put up with JFK too much longer, or words to that effect.

What did JFK and LBJ argue about in terms of the motorcade seating? LBJ wanted to have Governor Connally, his political ally, trade places with Senator Yarborough, JFK's political ally. That would have placed Yarborough in JFK's car, and Connally in LBJ's car. Gee, I wonder why LBJ wanted that done?

Contrary to Secret Service procedures at that time for motorcades involving both the President and Vice President, the VP's car did not immediately follow JFK's car. Instead, a Secret Service car was placed between the two cars, with JFK's car leading, the Secret Service car next, and LBJ's car third.

LBJ wasn't the only man and/or group that wanted JFK dead, but it sure looks like LBJ followed through on his end of the deal.

LBJ was politically and morally dirty, but you're welcome to your own opinion.

[AnnabelLee]

2. Bushco wants $87B

for Ira--WAIT!!! Don't look over there, look over HERE!!! Johnson killed Kennedy!!!:eyes:

[havocmom]

20. Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner!
AnnabelLee nails it. When BushCo get into an indefensable perdiciment is a news cycle, someone in the WH starts blathering about dead Dems.

[hippiechick]

3. I'll only believe it if they can prove that he was forced by Poppy ....

because THAT motherf*cker's prints are all overmost of the dirty trick ops that happened in the 60's & 70's ...


Hell has a special place waiting for him and his offspring.


:hippie:

[nostamj]

5. poppy is the ONLY sentient being that cllaims NOT to know

where they were when Kennedy was assasinated.

HE WAS IN DALLAS

[dflprincess]

18. Which, as I have said before,

makes him the only person who was over 5 years old that day who can't come up with an alibi.

Not that I would put much past LBJ but, having a tinfoil hat sort of mentality, I find it interesting that this book comes out now. Written by someone with ties to the Bush* White House, when suspicions about Poppy and his connection to the assasination are all over the internet.

[hang a left]

32. I am reading Barry and the Boys right

now and I haven't gotten that far, but it looks like they are gonna implicate HW and the other spooks he was hangin with.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. So was Nixon. He left on a flight a few minutes before JFK was killed...

...Nixon was in Dallas for four days and later denied three different times that he had been in Dallas at that time.

Birds of a feather flock together. Poppy, Nixon, LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, Big Oil, the Anti-Castro Cubans, the Mafia out of Miami, Chicago and New Orleans, certain elements of the military, and certain elements of the CIA, both active and inactive like Dulles.

Secondary figures: E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, Bernard Barker, DeMohrenschildt, Oswald (run a Google search on Oswald, CIA, U-2), Ruby, and others. Most have died, but some are still alive because of what will be released if they die.

Do a Google search on L. Fletcher Prouty. Loads of information.

[bluestateguy]

4. I'll buy that book!

I could always use an emergency supply of toilet paper.

Why does crapola like this sail through the publication process, while I get rejected over and over again?

[Uzybone]

6. probably because

you will be telling the truth. Lies sell.

[Octafish]

7. Old Thesis, first proposed by Jack Ruby.

Ruby said LBJ and "NAZIs" were behind the murder. I discounted his testimony, on the preposterousness of the allegation, but upon discovering how so many went to such great lengths to implicate and silence Oswald, it's become easier to understand how the Bush Organized Crime Family operates to deflect culpability. ABB is not a new term.

[amber dog democrat]

12. At this point who cares?

Besides everyone knows JFK was killed by a well set up operation that covered its tracks .
My guess is this had something to do with the Bay of Pigs being called off.
Any other pet theories?

Had a grandfather who said in 1960 that if he were Jack Kennedy, he'd never get another good nights sleep knowing he stood between lBJ and the presidency, but this prooves nothing.

Maybe Poppy had a hand in it

Never did like es CIA spooks.

[9215]

19. The Bay of Pigs is a BIG

factor in Kennedy's assasination. He threatened to scatter the CIA into a "thousand pieces". Then fired Allen Dulles, a man intoxicated with his power and tendency, shown in numerous previous episodes to be utterly contemptuous of democracy and liberals. Batista and the Cuban mafiosi were up to their eyeballs in Casinos and drug trade in Cuba and Batista's right hand man Felix Rodriguez, who later was nailed for his connection to VP George Bush during Iran-Contra (he called Bush). The Bay of Pigs was also known as Operation Zapata coincidently the name of Poppy's company Zapata oil.....two of the ships used in the operation were named the Houston and Barbara.

The Bay of Pigs burned the fascists bad and they murdered Kennedy IMO.

[BiggJawn]

23. The Dulles Bros were thick friends of Prescott bush, too.

And Allen Dulles was, if memory serves, something of a Mentor to Poppy. So Poppy and his CIA thugs set up Oswald, set up Ruby, somehow aranged to "give" Ruby Cancer in prison, and Poppy can't remember where he was that day...

Poppy knows where he was that day. He remembers EVERYTHING he did that day, but if he told us, he'd have to kill us all....

[9215]

28. The Bush Dulles link is an area

I'd like to read up on. Do you have any links for this?

Thanks

[BiggJawn]

30. Check this out.

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

There's not a whole lot of info out there because as you may know, Poppy has taken great pains to "sanitize" EVERYTHING.
Tarpley discusses this with the "beat-up Studebaker" legend of how Prescott arrived in Texas. It was a fabrication. Bush arrived in his boss' private plane. you see a story of Prescott driving his "jalopy" to Midland and Odessa, it's a deriviate from his own press releases...

I'd love it if somebody could find poppy's TBM at the bottom of the Pacific so we could see just how shotup it was the day he bailed out and forgot to tell his crew he was leaving...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Alternative story to Poppy's so-called bail-out...

...the OSS was a forerunner of the CIA, and they operated in the Pacific and European theaters. They liked to recruit Yale grads that had good grades and had played sports...Poppy fit all three requirements.

The OSS liked to use submarines for inserting teams of OSS operatives in enemy-held territory. They also liked to parachute operatives into the ocean near a sub so that the operative could be transported to the location of a mission.

So, what did we actually see in Poppy's film? What we saw was Poppy being pulled out of the ocean onto a submarine. Hmmm.

My contention is that we know next to nothing of Poppy's long career in the CIA. We wouldn't even know where he had been stationed except for his official titles and cover stories. The CIA has gone to great lengths to bury Poppy's official records.

[hang a left]

33. see post 32

book talks about the cia going back before wwII, also fingers David Ferie, Barry Seal, and other spooks involved.

[short bus president]

8. "not in the constellation of Kennedys and Bushes"

they equated the Kennedys with the shrubs.

[BiggJawn]

24. Didn't Bar once say that they (the BFEE) were the only "TRUE"...

...American "Aristocracy", and it was their destiny to rule?

Prescott's dealings with the Nazis and Prescott's dad's dealings with the Kaiser allowed them to buy their way into "polite" society. Before WWI, Prescott's dad ground his way up from nothing to the head of a company that made castings for railroad cars...

2 generations before Prescott, the Bush family wasn't SHIT, much less "Aristrocrats".

And yes, I know about Joe Kennedy's bootlegging. at least they didn't try to palm themselves off as "Aristocrats"...

[NashVegas]

34. BFEE Family Tree

Supposedly descends from the Plantagenets/Stewarts. And perhaps you've heard of the Livingstons & Schuylers?

[9215]

9. I likes it!!

Call me an optimist, but I would say that in the world of Psy-ops this is a red herring to throw people off the track of who really killed Kennedy. It could be that the BFEE is starting to feel the heat from so much recent interest in where Poppy was on that fateful day in Dallas and they want the hounds to get sidetracked.

Here is an opportunity to get this subject into the mainstream for discussion and analysis.

Heck, if you can accuse LBJ of doing it and get a book published on it, then why is it too ((((conspiratorial))) to entertain the idea that those in power today, political polar opposites of Kennedy (read: enemies), are not behind the assasination.

Bobthedrummer's topic on Bush and the Nazi's got into the Bush link to Kennedy's murder in detail. I can't find the link in my notes offhand, does anybody else have it?

[karlschneider]

10. Did some googling on "Hannover House", it appears to be a fundy bunch.

:eyes:

[rooboy]

11. If you can believe that a VP could arrange to kill a president...

then one HAS to wonder about Hinkley shooting Ronnie Reagan, doesn't one? After all, wasn't Hinkley due to have lunch with one of the Bushes the day after he shot Ron?

Hmmm. Who was the VP back then???

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. It was his brother Scott Hinkly who was lunching with Neil Bush

[Myra]

16. "Hinkly who was lunching with Neil Bush" - Exactly

BushCo's attempted assination of Reagan was
one of their early failed coup attempts,
as was their impeachment of President Clinton.
They finally succeeded in Y2K.

[Must_B_Free]

25. Remember Mark Furhman?

how can he plant the bloody glove, then go on to be a hero of the right wing. Doesn't anyone find this questionable? (not that it doesn't happen all the time, Ollie North anyone)

[esse_quam_videri]

13. LBJ and Oswald were lovers. Once Kennedy was

out of the way, Johnson was going to 'off' Ladybird, and install Oswald as the First Lady. Oswald was going to hang his curtain-rods in the White House. Well,that's my theory. My book should be out in a few months...

[mike_c]

15. with all DU respect for the incisive wits in LBN today...

...there's a word for dismissing someone's assertion before you've reviewed the evidence they present, no matter how shabby you expect that evidence to be.

Prejudice.

[BiggJawn]

26. Sometimes you are presented with something SO outlandish...

and patently false on its face that it's not "prejudicial" to dismiss it.

One example that comes to mind is anything that comes out of Al Martin's mouth.
Another is the allegation that JBJ had JFK whacked, not GHWB.

[robbedvoter]

17. NYT treats this as a news story (hence Bumillier)

Interesting, after all the crap they dumped on all liberal books published in recent memory.

[colorado_ufo]

21. Interesting. I read these allegations some time ago

on an Internet site that I have long lost. Kind of blew it off. It peaks my interest that someone has now written an entire book on the theory and purports to offer evidence. But, that could be just lies to sell the blasted books! 100,000 is a lot of books to move.

[Art_from_Ark]

22. Kind of interesting that this company is based in Fayetteville, Arkansas

For what it's worth, seems like there had been an office in Sherman Oaks, California, but they moved to Fayetteville for some strange reason.

http://www.pma-online.org/scripts/showmember.cfm?code=11042

And the editorial submissions department is based in NYC

http://www.hannoverhouse.com/

[Fovea]

27. Win Win

Wow, a book that takes the heat off GHWB and puts it on a Librul. Did Anne Coulter ghost write it as well? It seems on her level.

[pfitz59]

29. McClellan is official Bushco liar.......(neo-Ari)

Guess his daddy wants to cash in as well.

[leesa]

31. Now, where WAS GH Bush that day??

This could be an excuse to re-examine that little occurence.

[montana_hazeleyes]

35. How could any grown person

not remember where they were when President Kennedy was murdered? That's beyond too fishy.
This may seem like a silly reason to not believe Johnson had President Kennedy killed,but in the photo in the plane when he's being sworn in after the assassination,he looks so genuinely shocked and anguished.

[Unknown Known]

38. Brown & Root financed Lyndon Johnson - it's Texas oil, people!

It's always been Texas oil money and it still is that has been corrupting this country for years.

Most of the government work was done by Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root, the construction firm, thus reinstating a fine old Texas tradition. Brown & Root was Lyndon Johnson’s major money source: It was to LBJ what Enron was to George W.

http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=805

It's not so preposterous to believe that Johnson had something to do with Kennedy's assasination because of Johnson strong ties to Texas oil and defense contractors.

From the Pentagon Papers -

National Security Action No. 263 (Oct. 11, 1963) - referring to the possible withdrawal of US troops from Vietnam.http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon2/doc146.htm

[Unknown Known]

40. 4 days after the assassination, Nov. 26, 1963,

Johnson signed NSAM NO. 273 which committed the U.S. to the Vietnam War.

Paragraphs 5 and 6 totally contradict paragraph 2.

5. We should concentrate our own efforts, and insofar as possible we should persuade the Government of South Vietnam to concentrate its efforts, on the critical situation in the Mekong Delta. This concentration should include not only military but political, economic, social, educational and informational effort. We should seek to turn the tide not only of battle but of belief, and we should seek to increase not only our control of land but the productivity of this area wherever the proceeds can be held for the advantage of anti-Communist forces.

(Action: The whole country team under the direct supervision of the Ambassador.)

6. Programs of military and economic assistance should be maintained at such levels that their magnitude and effectiveness in the eyes of the Vietnamese Government do not fall below the levels sustained by the United States in the time of the Diem Government. This does not exclude arrangements for economy on the MAP account with respect to accounting for ammunition, or any other readjustments which are possible as between MAP and other U. S. defense resources. Special attention should be given to the expansion of the import distribution and effective use of fertilizer for the Delta.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-lbj/nsam-273.htm

Less than 9 months later, Johnson signed The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

[VolcanoJen]

41. Not LBN... locking

This discussion has been brought up more than a few times in LBN, most recently on Thursday, September 11th, in this thread by rainy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=10611

As the above thread no longer qualifies as LBN, please don't respond to it, thereby kicking it back to life. Anyone interested in this hypothesis is encouraged to begin a new discussion in the General Discussion forum.

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
DU Moderator