A shiver runs round the world as Bush bangs the drum for 'fire of freedom'

[truthpusher]

(an international take on the inauguration)

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=73652005

A shiver runs round the world as Bush bangs the drum for 'fire of freedom'

FRASER NELSON, JAMES KIRKUP AND ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON

Story in full GEORGE Bush yesterday used his second inauguration as United States president to promise to bring the "untamed fire of freedom to the darkest corners of the world" and raise the prospect of a new US effort to topple oppressive regimes the world over.

In a speech certain to alarm Iran, North Korea and Saudi Arabia - and discomfort Europeans uneasy about the unbridled exercise of American power - the re-elected president said he would no longer "pretend" that intolerant regimes were acceptable.

Despite hopes from critics and friends - Tony Blair among them - that Mr Bush would use his second, overwhelming mandate from the American people to pursue a more consensual agenda at home and abroad, Mr Bush signalled that, if anything, his missionary zeal was redoubled. "Freedom is the permanent hope of mankind, the hunger in dark places, the longing of the soul," the president declared. "Fortunately for the oppressed, America’s influence is considerable and we will use it confidently in freedom’s cause."

more:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=73652005

[Elidor]

1. "Overwhelming mandate?!?"

The FUCK you say! I mean they say. Shit. The man is HATED and DESPISED by many of us!

[BadGimp]

14. no kiddin

I almost choked when I read that

[FiveGoodMen]

65. And another thing ... Half a million?

Does anyone here have info that 500,000 people attended the coronation?

[Der Blaue Engel]

16. The smallest margin of victory for a sitting president ever, wasn't it?

:mad:

[AliciaKeyedUp]

50. Not exactly

By numbers, he loses out to anything recent, but if you go back far enough, he would beat somebody. I think Wilson.

Yep, pretty sad.

[nosmokes]

24. his mandate comes from god

or that's what he believes. that's why vote fraud or stealing elections or committing crimes is ok. that's only breaking man's laws, and like the blues brothers, only nowhere near as hip, he's on a mission for god.

[Candide]

51. All this talk of a mandate

always reminds me of China's "Mandate of Heaven." As I remember from class, when their govt fumbled the ball, and the Yellow River would happen to overflow, the people saw it as a sign from heaven as their duty to overthrow the govt

[radfringe]

43. another curious statement

But the Prime Minister, doubtless speaking for many, raised the cautious hope that when it comes to implementing those ideas during the next four years, the White House would be more sensitive than in the past. "Evolution comes from experience," Mr Blair said.

I don't think bush* believes in evolushun

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Overwhelming mandate?

:freak:

[Zhade]

40. SECOND mandate?

NT!

[MichiganVote]

3. Hey America! Send your tax dollars to freedom and liberty inc.

Forget about health insurance, jobs, better schools and roads. Just pay and pay again for freedom throughout the world. Oh, minor problem, America bombs the shit out of countries it wrongly accuses of having WMD but what the hell, aren't we all better off without Saddam Hussein?

[Mokito]

4. War!

The only thing that ass knows, and the worst part is; he thinks he's good at it!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

37. "Springtime For Hitler...Look out Europe, We're Going on Tour..."

I've been playing this tune from 'The Producers' all day.

It says it all.

[EVDebs]

5. Foreigners should read Washington's Farewell Address to Bush

and let him hear the words of our founding father himself. Then they should let Congress know that they can restrain the Commander in Chief with the War Powers Act of 1973, which requires there be no 'fabrications' in the circumstances used to send troops in harms way (depite the recent exception) !!!!!

[barb162]

38. I wonder what Congress will do the next time he comes with a

new country to "fix"
Will those idiots vote yes again to give him the appropriations like they did with Iraq? Have any of the idiots in Congress wised up

[EVDebs]

60. War Powers Act of 1973 and the Joint Resolution are on the web

and anyone can read them for themselves. They read Washington's Farewell Address to the Nation to Congress every year, but no on seems to grasp that OUR liberty isn't dependent upon liberty in foreign lands, as Washington so eloquently points out ! See full text at http://www.eadshome.com/farewell.htm

War Powers Act 1973 is at http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/warpow.html

Joint Resolution is at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

and John Dean's opinion of Bush's actions
"Is lying about the reason for a war an impeachable offense?"
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

[barb162]

61. good commentary here from Arizona Republic

In his inaugural address, President Bush provided the most aggressive
formulation to date of the Bush doctrine: That the security of the
United States depends on the spread of liberty and democracy throughout the world. The starkness of his formulation highlighted the flaws in the doctrine and its imprudence as a guide to U.S. conduct in the world.

snip

But it is simply untrue that the lack of freedom, per se, is a security threat against which the United States must mobilize.

According to Freedom House, three-fifths of the world's people who live without liberty are in China. Yet there is not a comprehensive terrorist threat emanating from China.

snip

The United States needs a wide range of ad hoc alliances to protect us
against terrorist attack. Those with democracies would be more reliable. But securing the country shouldn't depend on remaking the world.



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[Just Me]

62. Thank you, kindly, for those resources!!!

These neoCONimperialists really MUST GO!!! :mad:

[TankLV]

75. Yes they will, unfortunately. We haven't "hit bottom" yet.

It will get a lot worse before it BEGINS to get better.

We ain't seen nothin' yet.

We had our "accountability moment" and it has already expired. We failed the test.

[PartyPooper]

6. "America's influence is considerable" = "We're the neighborhood bully!"

"Do as we say, or we'll kick your butt!"

:eyes:

[burrowowl]

30. Yes that is the way I read

influence as well.

[Connie_Corleone]

7. Why does the fall of the Roman Empire come to mind??

The great experiment is about to end.

[VegasWolf]

8. The only overwhelming mandate here is between pickles and her

bodyguard down in the laundry room.

[politicaholic]

9. Does anyone have a truck? I'll buy the pizza and beer if you help me move-

to Canada.

That is, if Canada isn't also under the gun...I'm gonna be sick.

:argh:

[Chipper Chat]

25. Canada is last on the list to be invaded. But....

it may be tough with all the border states except Montana having seceded by the time Dubya gets around to the Mapleleafs.

[primavera]

10. I wonder what he'll do for a "coalition of the willing"

...when five months from now, his lapdog Tony is standing in the unemployment line.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

57. There's always Poland

And our friends in the -Stans and -Bans, if they're not busy boiling their political enemies alive.

[HannibalBarca]

69. Tony Blair isnt going anywhere

His (and labours) lead over the pathetic tories is huge, he has no competition.

[uppityperson]

11. one of those "aw f*" moments for all of us. n/t

[psychopomp]

12. Blatantly fascistic messages at this ceremony

If you missed the delivery of these open calls to bring our storm of freedom to every country in the world, you might want to see for yourself (cspan.org). The wolves are showing their teeth!

[PartyPooper]

21. Hitler would have been proud of his evil twin.

I wonder if Junior had an orgasm whilst delivering his speech just like Adolf used to have delivering his own "oratory".

:think:

[liberalpragmatist]

13. Yes, 50.8% and a 2.47% margin of victory is really an overwhelming mandate

nt

[KDLarsen]

34. Then I'd hate to see what words * would use..

.. when he sees the figures from the polling here in Denmark. The government stands to get 55,3% of the votes & the opposition stands to get around 44%.

[Deja Q]

68. And how many of that 50.8% agree with * because of his war policies?

Many voted for * just for their money alone. :eyes:

[Magleetis]

15. It is mind boggling

to me that this asshole would preach about freedom when he has killed so many people. His actions and his words are worlds apart. He is not compassionate, he is not caring, he is not a uniter and he is not my president. I am almost as depressed as as I was on election day. How can 53% of the people in this country be so stupid.

[Disturbed]

17. How can 53% of the people in this country be so stupid.?

Genetics.

[jasop]

41. Don't give in..

The companies who count the votes are Bush supporters. ALWAYS remember that.

[MHalblaub]

64. Intelligent design! -nt-

[buzzard]

73. Maybe Bush has found a way to secretly inseminate women.

[Anakin Skywalker]

18. The Man Date is Back, I See...

I thought Shrubber was turned down flat by a bitch-slap the last time.

[98geoduck]

19. Chaves must feel safe now!

Since he was democratically elected by the majority of Venezualans.

[Mz Pip]

20. Scourage the planet

fire of freedon, same difference. This guy is dangerous.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[exploited]

29. UNTAMED!!!

... that's the 'UNTAMED fire of freedom'.
Obviously NOT intended to enlighten 'the darkest corners of the world' with the love of Jeebus. They are looking for a bigger fight. FFS!

WTF is wrong with this guy? WTF is wrong with his speech writers/ cronies? Have none of them any concept of how quickly wildfires can turn bringing civilisation to it's knees?

AND 'freedom'! WTF? What is 'freedom' a euphemism for in the Amerikan language? Have you people been "tog dog" in the food chain for so long that the meaning of 'freedom' has been peverted into your right to conduct your activities without control or interference.

I always thought that freedom exists independently to tyranny and oppression.

[jbnow]

36. I heard Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose...
(per kristofferson lyrics)

Perhaps that is what he wants to leave them with.

[exploited]

46. lol

Nothing left to lose 'cause it was all burnt by the fire.

On the same topic...
"Freedom is the permanent hope of mankind, the hunger in dark places, the longing of the soul"
What a charming turn of phrase from The World's Statesman. Gives a strong impression that he yearns to share his dark heartless soul with the rest of humanity.

"Fortunately for the oppressed, America’s influence is considerable and we will use it confidently in freedom’s cause."
Fortunately, the oppressed are powerless to resist the might of America. May your confidence grow into arrogance as you share the true meaning of freedom with the world -- show 'the oppressed' what it means to have nothing left to lose.

[SittingBull]

48. This freedom

I don't want either...

Corporate Freedom, freedom to make the whole world accountable, or what does he mean?

Freedom for individuals is only archievable without reign and someone who rules over you.. Thus he must declare war on the US, too.

[Erika]

22. He has named HIMself the Messiah of the World

He will save the world! Using the kids of freeper types to do so.

I don't think even they realized they were voting for a maniacal King of the Planet. God help us.

[donheld]

23. It's quite absurd

W's done everything he could to curb the "fire of freedom" at home, but now he want's to "bang the drum" for the rest of the world. Who does he think he's fooling. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on,,,oh wait you can't get fooled again. :eyes:

[klyon]

54. this is the second time

well really he has been fooling people every day with a new trick

KL

[PROGRESSIVE1]

26. We need another superpower to him!

[Triana]

27. Didn't Hitler say something like that too?

bu$h does a damn good job of packaging endless war and hedgemony in the words "freedom", and "Liberty". That doesn't change what's inside the wrapper though, does it?

http://www.mandate.com <<---- I gotcha mandate right here, george....

[Laurab]

28. A shiver sure runs through me

every single time this ass or one of his regime opens their mouths. WHY does he have the power to make a "shiver run through the world"? WHY is he not in jail, or a mental institution, where he obviously belongs.

I never knew I could hate this much.

[justiceischeap]

31. I sent them an email to tell them what I thought

about their "overwhelming mandate" comment:

The phrase "overwhelming mandate" really stuck out of this article for me. Bush only got 3% more of the vote which does not give him an overwhelming mandate. I think if you saw the inauguration today on C-Span 2, you would have seen the protestors showing how little mandate this sycophant has. The opinion polls show that 55% of Americans asked now disagree with his policy on Iraq. Just because someone says something numerous times doesn't make it true. Especially if the person saying it is in the Bush administration.

Being a bully and the majority doesn't make a mandate, it just makes for bad policy and democracy.

[SoCalDem]

32. 110K vapor votes x 31 states "won" = 3.41 million vote "mandate"

The mandate was "provided him" in case they needed to go back to SCOTUS. The Ohio "fix" got a bit buggy, and there was always the possibility that a real hand count might show how they did it.

Kerry bailed, so the mandate is just icing on the cake :(

[jasop]

44. Kerry left so many of us hanging....

he could of atleast explained "WHAT THE FUCK!?!"

[Nihil]

53. S & B

Can't go breaking his word now can he?
Unfortunately, he'd also given his word not to explain why ...

[mallard]

33. Re: "Freedom is the permanent hope of mankind,...

...the hunger in dark places,..."

ie: the permanent hope of people who never see it.

[reprobate]

35. I would look for the rest of the world to start throwing stumbling blocks.

Most of the other nations in the world are now fed up with the imbecile. Expect to see every possible roadblock n his way. From refusal of overfly rights, to oil contracts going to other nations instead of here.

Nature and greater humanity have a history of balancing things. And we sure need some balance now.

God help America!

[daleo]

39. I agree, the appeasement stage is ending

There will be resistance, active and passive. For all Bushco's WWII imagery, the world sees him in the Hitler role. I don't like where it all seems to be leading.

[jasop]

45. The ignorant have always embraced

Dixie and White Supremacy so it doesn't matter if Bush harkens back to the Nazi era

[shanti]

42. all war, all the time!

isn't that special? :puke:

[ze_dscherman]

47. "Untamed fire" sounds like Nero

Or even worse, "nucular".

The very thought of the godsent boyking rejoicing in biblical metaphors makes me sick.

But my current paranoia is a bit different: These words were choosen to spin the world dizzy with fear. It is a well kept secrect in U.S. policies - to appear somehow insane in its actions, in order to make the rest of the world controllable through fear.

[Demeter]

49. That Smoke Over Baghdad--That's From the Fires of Freedom

Yeah, right.

[Massachusetts]

52. The Little boy king HAS NO CLOTHES.

:bounce: :bounce:

[prodigal_green]

55. That speech heralded the end

of the American experiment.

He has officially overreached his overreaching. "You and what army?" should be the response of any country the chimp threatens. Literally.

[moondust]

56. He's covering his war crimes.

He figures the world will eventually forget the WMD lies, etc., and accept his make-them-up-as-you-go "freedom" excuses for invading Iraq (and perhaps others to come) and killing thousands upon thousands of people if he repackages himself as the great "freedom spreader" and gets MSM to pound that into our psyches for 4 years.

More like the great manure spreader.

[DS1]

58. Fire... BAAADD!!!

/Hartman

[PA Democrat]

59. And here is what Bush's "fire of freedom" looks like

[Just Me]

63. This man and his neoCONimperialists are a threat to humanity!!!

:scared:

God help us all!!!

[tlcandie]

66. Scorched earth policy.. that is this regimes mandate and intent! n/t

[ignatius 2]

67. I heard the fan the fire of freedom,burn those who oppose it on

my way home last night on NPR and I about crashed my car. Talk about a threat to mankind. Do what we want or you will burn under a carpet of bombs as was said to Afghanistan a few short years back.

Shock and awe was just the beginning. I truly believe these maniacs with their underground,secure bunkers are willing and are on the verge of starting WWIII which will end most likely in some type of nuclear war.

Creepy,creepy people. What will happen to get the citizens riled up for the next leg of their war? What can be done to stop them?

[indepat]

70. It's good that our own house is in such fine order freedom-wise

[coreystone]

71. Bush's Inaugural Address was all about the "BUZZ" words and PNAC!

'Perhaps, the most telling phrase by Bush was: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." '

"Liberty" and "freedom" are not words which I would hope any of us would connote with a negative attribute, but, when they are used so extensively in the inaugural address given by Bush yesterday, one might question the propagandizing effect of these words, as spoken to the American people and the world community.

I agree that the phrase quoted by "ckramer" exposes a great concern by the world community as well as the citizens of our country. I would also care to assert that this phrase correlates well with the interests of those associated with "The Project For A New American Century". Link: http://www.newamericancentury.org /

"So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." It seems that the "Bush Doctrine" of "No Nation Building" as promised to the American people in the election of 2000 has been amended. Was it changed by 9/11?? I think not! The following is from the Bush 2001 inaugural address:

"We will confront weapons of mass destruction, so that a new century is spared new horrors.

The enemies of liberty and our country should make no mistake: America remains engaged in the world by history and by choice, shaping a balance of power that favors freedom. We will defend our allies and our interests. We will show purpose without arrogance. We will meet aggression and bad faith with resolve and strength. And to all nations, we will speak for the values that gave our nation birth."

Link: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Bush+...

I see a progressing posture upon the part of Bush, from the 2001 address through the 2005 address, to utilize the blind "patriotism" of the American people, and, victimize their vulnerability to support the words "freedom" and "liberty" in the behavioral propagandizing of the goals of the PNAC. How odd it is that the "buzz" word - "patriotism" was not used once in the 2005 speech! At least, I didn't hear it!

For any who would care to investigate further, there is another site named "The Project for the Old American Century" (POAC)- Link: http://www.oldamericancentury.org /

And, have a great day!

:-)

[VegasWolf]

72. bush banging his drum, he always was such a cheerleader. n/t

[sarcasmo]

74. Iran, Syria, North Korea and on to the White House for freedom.

W is a certified nut. I fear the next four years will be full of war and death.