NYT: G.O.P. Irate Over Delay on Rice Vote

[DeepModem Mom]

G.O.P. Irate Over Delay on Rice Vote
By CARL HULSE

Published: January 21, 2005


WASHINGTON, Jan. 20 - Republicans in Congress seethed Thursday over Democrats' refusal to allow a quick vote on Condoleezza Rice's confirmation as secretary of state, a dispute that provided a quick reality check about the partisan divide on Capitol Hill just hours after President Bush was sworn in.

"If this is the kind of comity we can expect for the rest of the session, we are not getting off to a good start," said Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, a member of the Republican leadership. "It is churlish."

Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, said, "You want continuity in this country, and this is a senior cabinet minister." He added, "This didn't win them any merit badges."...

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In delaying Ms. Rice's inevitable confirmation, Democrats said it was only reasonable to give their senators the chance to express their views given Ms. Rice's crucial role in developing the administration's Iraq and antiterror policies. Under an agreement, the nomination will be open to nine hours of debate beginning Tuesday with a vote expected Wednesday....


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/21/politics/21congress.html

[pinniped]

1. They got some nerve. It's not like the repukes blocked or...

stalled on any of President Clinton's picks.:eyes:

[Just Me]

42. They're angry because there will now be a historical record,...

,...concerning the neoCONimperialists plans for America. They do NOT want that record when things go spiralling downward towards a world war instigated by their own leadership.

[dmr]

69. That's hitting the nail on the head, Just Me

Everything that has been said and quoted upon are proven and concrete facts, and they are now on that historical record. The only defense I heard from Condi was her dismay that anyone would impune her credibility. (I'm still wondering where she keeps it?)

We don't have the votes to stop her installation, but since this administration has a habit of rewriting history as it suits them, there is now an official record of some very important and critical truths.

Her non-substance testimony during the 9-11 Hearings are not a part of our Nation's historical record; this is - FINALLY! Even the comments about Rummy are a part of the record. There is some satisfaction from that - not much, but some.

[Seabiscuit]

72. You can't impugn the credibility of someone who has none.

[fooj]

73. it gave ME a giggle...

[Journeyman]

2. So questions about the fitness of the SOS elicit 9 hours of debate, but...

questions about the legitimacy of the POTUS election warrant a scant 2 hours of discussion?

[aquart]

3. MERIT BADGES????????????????????????????????

"Churlish"????? Who taught it to us???

The evil you teach us we will imitate. And it shall go hard, but we will better the instruction.

Brass-balled bastards.

[TahitiNut]

This is just a hint of the Reichbot arrogance.

Not only do they presume themselves the awarder of "merit badges," they're totally intolerant of even the slightest of 'symbolic' dissent from the Democrats in the Senate (who represent, by the way, a MAJORITY of citizens).

There's not even the slightest indication that the Reichsmonsters will accommodate anything but goose-stepping compliance with their one-party rule.

It's scorched-earth politics - total annihilation is their objective.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

61. apparently 9/11 itself is Condi's merit badge

for being such a good security maven? :shrug:

[barbaraann]

63. That's Strong-Father framing.

Read Lakoff's "Don't Think of An Elephant." It's a very short book but worth in weight in gold for fighting Republicans.

[Seabiscuit]

74. The Repukes stooping to playing Cub Scout Masters????

[ogradda]

4. well i suppose since no one leaned over

and slopped a big fat kiss on their asses they would take that as being churlish:eyes:

[The Zanti Regent]

22. But the Screw York Times and Whoreshington Post kiss ass 24/7

EXCEPT for Krugman.

[renaissanceguy]

5. Too f***ing bad.

I'm proud of those senators who are standing their ground. They are doing their job. As for those spineless ones like Biden, I think we should challenge them in their re-election primaries.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/479704

[althecat]

6. Bloody excellent

"If this is the kind of comity we can expect for the rest of the session, then I am bloody delighted," said DUer Althecat.

[rooboy]

7. GOP needs to understand that liars take a little longer to confirm. n/t

[Quakerfriend]

9. Haaaaaaaaa! LOL! very nice one.

[jasop]

8. "In delaying Ms. Rice's inevitable confirmation"

need I say more? Holy fucking shit! inevitable? The New York Times is now a mouth piece for the Homeland "ich bin ein auslander"

[KDLarsen]

30. Last time I checked, the Rethugs held the majority..

.. I doubt you're going to see any of them say no to her.

[librechik]

54. they control everything, they get whatever they want, but they still must

be irate--over a delay in getting what they want? That will inevitably be given them? What puling little babies!

[bowens43]

10. F*ck them.

They call us obstructionists, let's obstruct.

[tabasco]

39. Hell yeah. I'm ready to obstruct the corporate takeover ...

of the US of A.

Democrats need to stand tall against the forces of fascism or just get out of the way.

[Botany]

11. Tough!

Gee, she fell asleep on the job and did nothing before 9 - 11 and was part
of the part of jackals that lied to get us into an unneeded war. Screw 'em.
The repugs in Congress spent more money and time investigating white water
and monica than 9 11 ..... it is about time that "we" stand up to those shits.


:mad:

[LynnTheDem]

12. Too. Fucking. Bad. boo. hoo.

Whiny little bastards.

[joanski01]

13. Harry Reid said on the floor of the Senate

yesterday that Senator Boxer would get one hour to debate, that she might not use it all and would give some time to other Dems who wanted to speak. Some of the other speakers that Reid mentioned that I can recall are Durbin, Kerry (for 20 minutes), Levin, Kennedy, Feinstein (10 minutes) and Biden will speak in favor of confirmation. He mentioned a couple of others that I cannot recall. Dems will get a total of 4 1/2 hours. I can't imagine the Republicans useing all of their time.

Edited to add that Senator Byrd will speak, too.

[rodeodance]

14. oh my--there might be 4 1/2 hrs of praize for Condi from Repug??!!!!!

[joanski01]

16. That, and they will probably be

criticizing Dems and calling them names.

[spotbird]

37. Biden will speak in favor...

Isn't that nice.

He thinks this Good Old Boy we can all get along here moderation will help him in his presidentical bid, what it does is place him in the same league as the Vichy government.

Democrats alert: You will not win votes by acting like Republicans! Republicans vote Republican, always, no matter who the Democrats run.

[Generator]

78. Yes yes yes

My husband and I have the same theory:

The Republicans are bullies. You don't back down from bullies. You don't give an inch. SCORCHED EARTH BABY!

Okay, I'm getting hysterical and over the top as usual..but heh hearing the Repukes are "irritated" oh poor babies..made my DAY!

[Skidmore]

15. Dems must have some thing good goin' on

behind the scenes to force this debate. Why didn't the Rs just steam roll the vote like they've done for every other vote during the past year? Something doesn't add up, and their fuming has been pretty subdued. No histrionics occuring before cameras regarding this that I've seen.

[joanski01]

17. I think the Chairman of the Foreign

Relations Committee, Arlen Specter, gave in to the Dems. The Repukes will probably get him for that.

[Neecy]

38. Specter is Judiciary

Lugar is Foreign Relations.

What's amusing about this is that the Repigs can stage a big ol' television extravaganza with their 24-hour "they won't confirm our judges" telethon, and then complain when the Democrats want to debate something *really* important, a crucial cabinet appointment.

[Melynn]

19. I doubt it

The Dems are probably just playing for the cameras. Once they are through with their speeches most of them will vote to confirm Rice.

On the other hand, is nice to hope that the Democrats have something to spring on the Bush administration. Like maybe evidence of the administration lying about WMD's.

[dbt]

18. INTERESTING choice of words from Kyl!

Are we headed back to the Middle Ages here? What comes after churl? Will we be dealing also with thralls, vassals and serfs? Does someone long for the days of the fiefdom?

"Oaf of Office" leaps to mind...

:evilgrin:
dbt
(Idling with the comely wenches)

[Eurobabe]

20. waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!

Look, Rice is a fuck up, some don't want to promote her, what the sam-hill is the problem with THAT??

[piece sine]

27. well, the problem is....

her gender, her color, her resume, her over-all public popularity. If she's ultimately a shoe-in for confirmation, Democrats gain no ground by kicking her ass across the Senate. Oh well, we're getting used to being the party out of power.

[fob]

47. What? The PROBLEM is her INCOMPETENCE, the "factors" you cite

are the bogus things the pukes will bring up. Democrats may or may not gain anything, but AMERICA will gain a small dose of truth and bush* will gain an impotent SoS, so hopefully she's used sparingly and doesn't fuck up too much.

Your kind of attitude is the reason the Dems are out of power. The "I can't see immediate results from telling the truth/opposing the liar, so I might as well just shut up and go along" attitude is the problem, NOT the solution.

[mbperrin]

21. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some advice leaps to mind: "Just shut up!" (Perhaps Kyl will recognize the source.)

Cue: we will fight them on the beaches, etc.

If only!

[JerseygirlCT]

23. Senator Warner:

we're not interested in any GOP merit badges... or didn't you get the memo?

[NuttyFluffers]

24. meh, they stuck the chili pepper up their own yoohoos

now they are just trying to find a justification for their irritation.

(perhaps if they didn't try to pass off a dangerous incompetent into one of the most important cabinet positions we have... whatever. they could be having an orgasm and end up complaining and blaming democrats. stupid people.)

[deadparrot]

25. LMAO. This is fun.

Methinks they don't like ANY resistance.

Keep it up, Dems. Their whining is hysterical.

[Massachusetts]

26. Rice a Condi .... the Washington D.C. treat!

[AG78]

28. She's going to be confirmed!

These Republicans are acting as though they're the underdog. Nothing I hate more than people in power bitching.

[0007]

32. ....with their butts and noses high in the air for that Woman

that is incapable of error in expounding doctrine on war, torture and morals.

[0007]

34. The whinny repukes just landed like beached pilot whales!

[wicket]

29. WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

What a bunch of babies!!!!! :spank:

[zara]

31. all psychological self-reinforcement...

...so they can feel about themselves after they set off the nuclear option. like newt gingrich railing about infidelity while he was having an affair. the bluster somehow drowns out the cognitive dissonance that is the Grand Hypocrisy Party

[Ganja Ninja]

33. They need to cut back on the caffeine.

The real problem is they don't want their mistakes being pointed out on C-span for everyone to see. They want to control everything the people see and hear about the regime.

[noamnety]

35. Democrats Irate Over Nomination of Rice

That's the headline I want to see.

The nomination is the problem, not the debate.

[Mend]

36. Well said!!! eom

[cascadiance]

60. Yah, the corporate media needs to learn to put the proper 'frame'

on issues and not keep coddling to the Rethugs talking points.

In the spirit of Lackoff's points about "framing" of discussions, the media needs to start saying things like:

- "tax revenue cuts" instead of "tax relief"
- "social security phase out" instead of "social security reform"
- "no money for children" instead of "no child left behind"
- "no bird skies initiative" or "dirty skies initiative" instead of "clear skies initiative"
- "Civil Liberties Restrictions Act" instead of "Patriot Act"
- "Spreading U.S. control and imperialism" instead of "spreading freedom and Democracy"
- "restrict court access" instead of "Tort Reform"
- "Forest Destruction Initiative" instead of "Healthy Forests Initiative"
- "selfish conservative" instead of "compassionate conservative"

The important difference is that we should seek more honest descriptions of the issues from them than the Rethugs have told them to use (through their corporate sponsors, Murdoch, etc.).

[Mother Jones]

40. Brilliant!!!!!!!!

God bless Barbara Boxer!

[Jersey Ginny]

41. A yes vote for Rice or Gonzales is a vote for torture

This is my first post. Great website! How do I get a picture for my threads? Anyway, any Dem who votes in favor of the pro torture duo is voting in favor of torture. If you think for a second when more proof of torture is learned that the bushies won't say to the dems-"you voted for this cabinet!" like they did with Kerry's initial war vote. Biden is a spineless good ol boy.

[DeepModem Mom]

43. Welcome to DU, Jersey Ginny!!!

To select a picture, click on "Options" at the top of the page, then click on "Edit Your Profile," then click on the option to select an "avatar" -- and make your choice!

[JoMama49]

44. Good, let's keep them irate! n/t

[Jersey Ginny]

56. Options yes, edit profile no, Biden no

Thanks for the greeting. It is good to be here but technology really needs to be more intuitive. Is it the Google taskbar Options? I guess this ought to go to another forum, but if it does I'll never find it again! Just to stay on point, Biden is talking the talk and then not indicating he will be walking the walk. Maybe Rethugs can get away with that hypocracy with their zombie constituents, but I see through it and don't like it.

[DeepModem Mom]

67. Sorry, Ginny...

I wasn't clear. Go to the top of the DU forum lobby page, or any other forum page (not an individual discussion topic page), and you'll find icons to click, one of which is "Options." Proceed from there.

[fob]

49. You're right, but it's a vote for torture of OUR guys. Once they said

the Geneva Convention didn't apply and was rendered "quaint" they gave the "enemy" comfort by telling them they didn't have to follow it either. Stupid fuckers.

Just type the url of the picture in your post

[Jersey Ginny]

57. That's what the arrogant repukes don't get-Gen C is for us too!

But since when do they care about soldiers? Like Hitler also thought, bushies think that our soldiers are a commodity and dead/injured soldiers are collateral damage. Thanks for the picture help but I don't know what a URL of the picture even means. It is quite amazing I can even get here so I'll skip the picture for now.

[fob]

68. URL is the "address" of the picture. If you see a picture on a website

and position your cursor over it and right-click a menu will pop up. At the bottom of the menu is "properties", select that and a window will pop up that describes the qualities of the picture, that is, the format, the url, the size etc. If you highlight this address you can copy it (depress CTRL and C keys at same time) and then in your post you can "paste" it by depressing CTRL and V keys at the same time. When you do that you should see the url appear. Now select the Preview button at the bottom of the screen and you should see the picture, sometimes you will just see the url and not the picture, but clicking on the url (or link) will bring the picture up.

Example: This is the picture of Bob Boudelang from the DU homepage



Here is what I typed to get it to show up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/home/icon_bob .gif
(only to make the url show up instead of the pic I entered a space before .gif in this case.)

I got the url via the process described above.

One caveat for geting the pic to appear is it has to be posted on the www somewhere. Meaning a picture you have ONLY on your computer will NOT appear. To get it on the web there are various FREE picture hosting websites, I can't recall the name right now but someone will - little help)

It's a lot less complicated than my ramblings make it seem.

[Jersey Ginny]

59. On the other hand, I bet they do get it

I bet they are inviting torture of our soldiers/people to continue to have excuses for their imperialism.

[leesa]

45. "...this is a senior cabinet minister..." who lies constantly. See a

problem there fools?

[shrike]

46. boo effin' hoo n/t

[Occulus]

48. Cabinet Minister? MINISTER?????

"You want continuity in this country, and this is a senior cabinet minister."

We don't have those here.

Cabinet MINISTER? Excuse me????

[barbaraann]

65. Condi used the word minister in her questioning, too.

It must be psyops for the fundies. Boy, they are all mindcontrol all the time.

[MadisonProgressive]

50. sniffle... I want my MOMMY!!!!

[dansolo]

51. Giving the GOP a taste of what is to come

If they try their "nuclear option." Say goodbye to unanimous consent.

[Supersedeas]

52. Freedom of Expression...wasn't that Freedom stuff in *'s Inaug Slop

how soon the pigs forget

[librechik]

55. that;s for everybody else in the world, not for us

We already are soaking in Bush Freedom

[cascadiance]

53. This is democracy/capitalism at its best...

They see the law of supply and demand working as it should. There is a huge demand (half of the country) who don't like what this president is doing and as long as we remain po'd and let our reps know we are, they'll be "supplying" our demand by getting in the way of a "smooth sailing" reign by these rethugs... If the Rethugs don't like that, then perhaps they might want to figure out how they shouldn't get us upset so much. Apparently that doesn't occur to them, with the corporate media saying everything is rosy for them.

Boxer and her office were probably floored by the amount of support she got when she opposed the election vote, and that has served to inspire her to become more of a leader in the opposition camp. As long as we keep telling her how much we think she's doing the right thing, and as long as she succeeds in getting more power, it will inspire her (and others who see her budding success) to do the same thing.

The rethugs have to understand that they can't just "turn off" opposition through their neo-fascist tactics as long as we still have a constitution that protects us.

[genieroze]

58. How does it feel Pukes, you scumbags put Clinton through hell and

it's payback time. You didn't like what Clinton was doing and we don't like what you are doing. Deal with it jerkoffs.

[Kber]

62. Mommy! That girl hit me back!!

or "As ye reap, so shall ye sow." That's in the the bible too - cross referenced under the topic of JUSTICE.

Not nearly as much fun as keeping gay couples from having abortions though!

[many a good man]

64. Churlish? How illiberal of us!

Definition:

\Churl"ish\, a.
1. Like a churl; rude; cross-grained; ungracious; surly;
illiberal; niggardly. ``Churlish benefits.'' --Ld.
Burleigh.

[The_Casual_Observer]

66. The USA ought to be able to do better than rice

rice is a demonstrated failure as a decision maker, and is unable to owe up to mistakes. I don't know what she is good for, but it would be irresponsible to put somebody as incompetent as rice in that position.

[Seabiscuit]

70. So unhappy dems are "churlish" but Repukes get to be "irate".

Oh, yes... the Repukes also get to "seethe".

Re-:puke:

Guess what, Warner: "We don't need no stinking badges!"

[fooj]

71. just like tight underwear slowly creeping up the crack of their asses!

How vulgar is that? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Must be that post-inaugural hangover talking! LMAO! Peace! Or is it the masses are slowly creeping up the crack...????????

[coreystone]

75. I say, "Give the Dems some room"! They have over 4 hours of time..

on C-SPAN at least. Plus I have noticed that the MSM is covering a bit more of dissent against Bush. I don't think Bush is going to get such an easy ride from the media as he did the first four years. Don't misinterpret me, I still have very little respect for the majority of the MSM, but, sometimes they do come with some things that grab a bit. It's almost like...."OK, George we let you get away with first four years, now you are going to have to really PRODUCE this "legacy that you have been speaking about".

I think that any maneuvering the Democrats can do in Committee hearings or floor debates is going to, sooner or later, get some ears....someplace. EXPOSURE! One move at a time!

In any event, Rice will be confirmed! But, let's get as much on the RECORD as possible! I believe that is what the Republicans are concerned about.

[Pastiche423]

79. On the Record, indeed!

As did the Midnight Dems in a empty House in the middle of the night to get their POVs on the record.

We need the fact that there are still some Americans that oppose torture on record for generations to read.

[spotbird]

76. Race baiting:Ex-Klansman Blocks Condi's Confirmation

A former Ku Klux Klansman who once vowed to keep the military segregated is single-handedly holding up the confirmation of Secretary of State-nominee Condoleezza Rice, the first African-American woman to be appointed to the office.

"Senator Robert Byrd, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war, announced late that he would not allow the Senate to approve Ms. Rice without a few days of consideration of her lengthy testimony, and at least a token debate on the floor," reports the New York Times.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/20/02859.shtml?j=721933&e=[e-mail]&l=143149_HTML&u=13548164

Robert Byrd isn't manipulated by white guilt attacks, he is in touch with what he's done. It works on Biden and the like.

[thinkingwoman]

77. oh waa

is there anything repukes won't whine about?

geesh

[Betty]

80. They want no dissent

only robotic rubber stamping. Resistance is futile.