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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:03 AM
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Senate Defies Bush, Overturns FCC Ruling
WASHINGTON (Reuters)


The Republican-led U.S. Senate on Tuesday defied Bush administration opposition and voted to rescind new regulations allowing large media companies to grow even bigger.

The Senate approved, 55-40, a resolution that would roll back the Federal Communications Commission rules allowing television networks to own more local stations and permitting conglomerates to own a newspaper, television stations and radio outlets in a single market.

The measure faces a tougher battle in the U.S. House of Representatives and a threat of a veto by President Bush if it reaches his desk. ---

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:04 AM
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1. First OT, now this?
Rebel Senate :toast:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:13 AM
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3. W/Frist/Lott can't hold the Senate together
Of course the MASSIVE outcry from the public put some scare into them too.
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Ergotron Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:15 AM
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4. Nothing a politician fears more...
....than an angry, informed voter.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:58 AM
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14. Lott voted Aye
Along with Dole, Hutchison (TX), Alexander, Collins, Snowe, Enzi, Chaffe, Allard, Roberts, Shelby, Voinovich
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:22 PM
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19. Even TN's Lamar Alexander!
I just sent him a note:

Question: On the Joint Resolution (S. J. Res. 17 )
Alexander (R-TN), Yea

Thank you for bucking the party of Michael Powell and consolidation-happy media companies.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:09 AM
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2. fantastic news
Woo hoo! But of course the House will do the Nazi thing and follow Bu$h down the path to hell. I doubt bu$hman would veto it, with his poll numbers in the toilet. People are overwhelming opposed to it and he knows it.

Sonia
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:19 AM
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6. I think the House has already voted AGAINST it
.....in big numbers, ile 400-15 or something.

Am I right?

In any case, its a BIG DEFEAT and MISERABLE FAILURE for "Skip" Powell, who should resign.

What lovely news!!!
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 04:45 PM
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32. You are sort of right
There was never a vote in the House of Representatives. There was however an appropriations bill that passed the House that included a provision that overturned part of the FCC's decision. There was never a direct vote on that provision because the Republicans knew they would lose. However, the underlying appropriations bill did pass overwhelmingly but that includes a lot of different things, not just the FCC decision.

However, the complete overturning of the FCC decision is unlikely in the House because republicans are not going to allow a vote. Even though it would very possibly pass if there was a vote the republican leadership will try to stop it and a discharge petition is unlikely. So, most likely only part of the new rules will be overturned and I believe that is mainly the new 45% ownership rule which will be reduced back to 35%. Bush may veto that but I doubt he would want to risk a bigger battle with a lot of republicans opposing him.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:19 AM
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5. Just let Bush veto it
Make sure to thank your senators if they voted to rescind this and keep the pressure on your reps.
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TioDiego Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:22 AM
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8. Dumb question here
Where can we see a list of who voted what?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:37 AM
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10. Not a dumb question at all
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 11:46 AM by Robbien
Thanks to the Senate Watch thread, here is the link

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00348

edit: Two dems voted Nay, Miller (GA) and Breaux (LA). Twelve Republicans voted Aye.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:06 PM
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17. Zig Zag Zell Miller is no longer sidewinding. He's voting straight GOP.
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FauxNewsBlues Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 01:06 PM
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26. It's like Zell Miller is spiting the party
Has he gotten this conservative? Or is he just voting straight White House for spite? I am getting stumped here. I remember him giving a speech at the 92 convention for Clinton, and he was full of fire, railing against the GOP. He wasn't a young man then. Why has he turned into such a tool? A great chunk of the GOP even split from the President on this one. Zell was the only democrat to vote in favor of the new over time rules too, again, with 6 GOP defectors siding with the dems. Can we do a switch. Maybe get a couple liberal republicans to switch in exchange for Miller?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 03:02 PM
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29. Let's Not Forget Breaux...Voted With Thugs
on this one too! Make them go away. Why bother having two dem senators who vote w/ GOP 90+% of the time.


I'm screaming now......
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:31 PM
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33. DON'T make Breaux go away
He's not my favorite Senator, but would you want him replaced with Rep. David Vitter?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 04:01 PM
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30. The aide in Zig Zag Zell's office is getting to know me by name.
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 04:02 PM by mac56
I have called several times in the past months to find out why Zell doesn't vote with the rest of the Dems. I'm always polite, identifying myself as a constituent of the Senator and a lifelong Democrat. He always says he doesn't know the reasons, but will send a position paper when one is prepared. I'm still waiting.

add on edit: I called last week about the OT vote and today about the FCC.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:37 AM
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11. A good question
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 11:48 AM by kenzee13
...not dumb at all. You can go to:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

(although I don't know if this vote is up yet...but will be, it's a great site)

on edit, realized I gave you thomas instead of :

http://www.vote-smart.org/

where you can find individual voting records for your reps. Or go to Key Votes then to full member list.
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CheshireCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:21 AM
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7. Victory feels good
even if it is only for one of many battles in the media takeover.

Keep the pressure on Congress! They have heard us.
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TioDiego Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:24 AM
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9. Put that in your pipe, Rupert.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 02:50 PM
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28. Indeed!
Now, if we could just find a way to prevent him from taking over my employer...
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:46 AM
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12. And this was done without votes from Edwards, Kerry, Graham, and Leahy
Good work Senate!

:yourock:
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:56 AM
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13. Where's Leahy? n/t
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stoystown Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:58 AM
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15. I've heard the Senate has WMDs
Looks like it's time to invade them!!!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:04 PM
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16. And, as always, that weasel Normie Coleman
voted the Bushco line. Apparently he hasn't read the memo that the ship is beginning to leak.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:39 PM
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24. Good. Maybe he'll sink with it.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:21 PM
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18. How many votes would over ride a veto?
In the PC, McClellan said they don't have enough to get past a veto, so the threat must still be on!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:24 PM
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21. 66, yes? Or 67
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:27 PM
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22. You need two thirds to override, that is 67 votes
So even adding the four missing democratic votes, it falls far short of a senatorial veto.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:41 PM
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25. I Guess it's Time to Make a Donation to MoveOn
Because if they fail to override a veto, any Dem candidate for 2004 who offers the possibility of pushing the rules back after taking office is going to have his ass nailed to the floor by the Liberal Media. If you thought Gore got hatcheted, it would be nothing like what we'll see next.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:33 PM
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34. Yes
I'm happy this passed, but I think the appropriations route is more likely to succeed.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:22 PM
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20. Wow!
Sen. Kay Baby Hutchison (R-TX) actually voted the correct way.

After all these years, I finally feel so *represented*

Seriously, I think she's scared of the lobbying from NRA.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 01:27 PM
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27. Kaye has always been "not as bad as the other Senator"
from Texas. It was easy when Phil Gram was in.

After Phil left "to spend time with his family" (including his wife who was on the Enron Board), Cornyn is filling his shoes.
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sham Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 04:11 PM
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31. I was surprised about her too!
I'm going to call and email her. This will be the FIRST time I have even come close to having anything positive to say to her. It may also be the last, but for now, I will enjoy the moment.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 12:27 PM
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23. Wooo Hooo!!
Ahhh,

Great work everyone!

david

Kucinich 2004
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