Scalia: Faithful Live for Christ

[AnnInLa]

http://www.theadvocate.com/stories/012305/new_scalia001.shtml

(Scalia visits the KCs in Baton Rouge)

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Saturday that people of faith should not fear being viewed by "educated circles" as "fools for Christ."

The justice -- in Baton Rouge to address the Knights of Columbus Council 969 centennial celebration without charging a fee -- told a largely Roman Catholic crowd of 350 at the Holiday Inn Select that there's nothing wrong with "traditional Christianity."

"To believe in traditional Christianity is something else," Scalia said. "For the son of God to be born of a virgin? I mean, really. To believe that he rose from the dead and bodily ascended into heaven? How utterly ridiculous. To believe in miracles? Or that those who obey God will rise from the dead and those who do not will burn in hell?

"God assumed from the beginning that the wise of the world would view Christians as fools ... and he has not been disappointed."

Scalia praised "traditional Catholics" who say the rosary, go on pilgrimages, knee

[Cats Against Frist]

1. I didn't say "fools for Christ," I say "delusionals for Christ"

"fools for neocons."

[The Zanti Regent]

28. We all know Scalia is a follower of Je$u$ ¢hri$t and Ayn Rand!

Of Course, Ayn (as in MINE) is the only TRUE DISCIPLE of J¢!

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. "educated" and "intelligent elite"

Twice today I've heard the left being defined in a manner that suggests that the right is beginning to understand that the Left is on the side of logic.

Well, more than ever, Christian Liberals have to make their presence known. They have to show the right-wing neanderthals that it's okay to love Christ AND still be intelligent. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[LiberalFighter]

36. Is he trying to say that only stupid people can be Christians?

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. You know, I think you've just broken through the language barrier.

How embarrassing to talk down to your own people that way.

[markus]

3. Yes, damned are the logical and educated.

I glad I'm a Beta.

[smirkymonkey]

23. Because the logical and educated can't be controlled like the

religious and sheep-like. (Not that all religious people are sheep-like, but religion IS used as a form of social control.)

[depakid]

4. Scalia- another fake Christian

EVERYTHING this man believes in is inimical to the basic concepts of Christianity. He ranks up there with the most intellectually dishonest of all of the Republicans and it would be difficult to find someone whose actions show them to be less Christian.

What's worse is that the man doubtlessly knows this- and, sociopath that he is, probably laughs about it.

[SHRED]

5. OMG

Intellectual wimps hiding behind the notion of "god".
The "for or against" bullshit mentality.

Why don't they get behind Hans Christian Anderson stories:
http://www.candlelightstories.com/storypage.asp

They make more sense and are much more believable than the pompous ass biblical crap.

[leesa]

6. Well, when they aren't making deals about cases they are going to hear

and decide. Remember going duck hunting for dollars prior to deciding that Cheney could keep his Energy Papers secret???

What was the prize for that, Tony the Fixer? Top Supreme?

[Old and In the Way]

20. Exactly.

Quite odd how much time is being given by these people to God, Christianity, Religion, etc.......and precious little to what they are supposed to be doing which is maintaining open and transparent government for all citizens.

Is it any wonder that the most cynical pandering to religion I've ever seen is being done by the most corrupt administration that's ever held power in the US?

Hey Tony, maybe you ought to resign and become Supreme Cardinal of the United States. You seem to spend more time on Catholic religious dogma than you spend on upholding the law.

[aquart]

43. He's going to sit at the Right Hand of God for eternity.

AND get 72 virgins.

[amber dog democrat]

45. its raisons

72 raisons. There was a translation error.

[aquart]

46. 72 French reasons for what?

I assure you, the English Bible contains many mistranslations and they believe every one. They're expecting virgins.

[amber dog democrat]

47. some would settle for apricots

about this virgin thing, how does this incentive work if you are a hetero female ?

OK if not raisons, then currents.

[aquart]

53. Is fiber necessary in Heaven?

[amber dog democrat]

60. Too much moral fiber would be a bad thing

and get you sent to some where else.

I never suscribed to the doctirne of angel food cake.
More of a devil's food person, I suppose.

[Solly Mack]

7. "traditional Christianity" sounds an awful lot like "real American"

or "real patriotism" or "traditional family values"

If I were a Christian, I'd be truly offended at the implication.

Seems to me that Christians who don't practice Scalia's brand are now considered less than "true" Christians.

It's not just us non-believers they want to attack.

[supernova]

9. You're right about that Solly

According to Scalia, I a liberal, protestant Christian, am not a "real" Christian.

You know, it's times like this I wish I believed in Hell. I'd imagine him there.

[Solly Mack]

13. We all pay the price for his type of thinking

Because he's a position to harm all liberals with his thinking

[Laurab]

50. This whole administration

makes me wish I believed in hell. I'm not a "real" Christian either, because I don't believe in killing or evil done in the name of God. For these people, hell would be too good.

[Seabiscuit]

59. It's even worse for the Catholics

Scalia's approval of Catholics is like a kiss of death. He's basically attempted to sweep all of Catholicism into the neo-con tent of murder, war, greed and deception.

[saltpoint]

10. That was a hole-in-one, Solly Mack.

Totally right-on.

[Solly Mack]

15. That man worries me more than Shrub most days

[Pachamama]

29. Me too...I never thought I'd find myself praying for the heathly life of

Rehnquist...may he live another 4 + healthy years and no Supreme opening come up for * to annoint...

The idea of "Chief Justice" Scalia scares the sh*t out of me...when I hear this kind of rhetoric from a sitting justice who is buddies w/ Cheney, that is enough to make me cash out all my stock, sell my properties and get the hell out of this country with my children fast.... :scared:

[Solly Mack]

30. Exactly. The Bush administrations has a whole lot of us

asking for things we would have never asked for before. :(

It's like a Hobson Choice on crack.

[LiberalFighter]

37. Don't forget that some Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christian

[Solly Mack]

42. I'm sure Scalia isn't one of them

though I'm sure he does think some Catholics aren't "real" Catholics.

[VegasWolf]

55. Yes, I think the neocon term is not christian enough. n/t

[Botany]

8. Once again you can see a manipulation of people of faith by ...

...... by persons in power to maintain that power. With the inference being
that support of the president, his agenda, and myself is the same as supporting
a Jesus that is a republican. These are sick bastards! Remember the nazi
wermacht soldiers had "Gott mit uns," (God is with us) stamped on their belt buckles.

We must never stop fighting and exposing these shits for who they are.

:mad:

[Straight Shooter]

11. "God" doesn't make assumptions. "God" knows decisively.

Scalia sounds like a fool. He's trying to convince the fundies to support Catholicism, also. Has Scalia been on a pilgrimage, other than his duck hunting pilgrimages to curry favor with Cheney?

The Jesus Mafia, that's what these people are.

[GOPFighter]

12. But, really...

...there is nothing in this list of traditional Christian beliefs that I, as an atheist and liberal, find especially threatening. Virgin birth, rose from the dead, belief in miracles, believers will rise from the dead, etc. What people believe or don't believe is their own business. It only becomes a threat to me when people try to impose their religious beliefs, which tend to based on faith and not facts, on me or the laws of our country.

What I DO find offensive about this speech is that Scalia is stirring up hatred. He's appealing to their dark side. He gives them permission to despise anyone who dares question them when they try to force their beliefs on non-believers. For that Scalia is a divisive, hate-mongering slime-ball.

[Botany]

14. Please tell us how you really feel.

Do not hold back .....

"For that Scalia is a divisive, hate-mongering slime-ball."

LOL

Long live the boxer rebellion!

[two gun sid]

16. Antonin Barnum's speech reminds me

of the old adage: "There's a sucker born every minute."

[54anickel]

17. Good Lord, more devisive talk from the "Uniter" party. One thing that

I find disturbing is that I do "sometimes" see the very tone that he mentions here at DU ("fools for Christ" mentality). It is certainly the exception, but it does crop up from time to time. But Scalia to paint people with such a broad brush is in itself foolish. Then again, so is much of the rest of his babbling in the article.

Gotta love this guys quote:
"His message to me is that our constitution is all-encompassing," said McHardy, who attended Saturday's banquet. "It takes into consideration all points of view."

So how does that tie into this line? :crazy:
He (Scalia) has described himself as an "originalist," following the Constitution as written by the Founding Fathers, rather than interpreting it to reflect the changing times.

[Malva Zebrina]

18. Don't forget

Scalia is Opus Dei and that is what is behind this diatribe. So is Clarence, I believe.

http://www.odan.org/

[Cats Against Frist]

22. Damn straight

While people are laughing up Pat Robertson's sharkskin suits and Falwell's 29 chins, the Catholic hard right is hard at work making your average right-wing Protestant evangelical look like Strawberry Shortcake.

These are the people who REALLY want to peel away modernity and the Enlightenment. Howard, Niemeyer, Weigel, Finnis, Buttiglione, Knox. Very dogmatic, spiteful, and can write the most sugary sounding damnations of modernity and the Enlightenment that one has ever seen.

These people are as responsible for our hearkening back to the day of Church and King as the "SUV Parking Lot & Tilt-a-Jeebus Church" in some exurb in Oklahoma.

[UL_Approved]

19. More of those "traditional values" that never existed

Just one of many radicals making up a new history. Funny, this has been tried before, around the 1930's if I remember...

[fooj]

21. All this from a man who supports and encourages sexual orgies!

Isn't that special! "I even take the position that sexual orgies illiminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged." Ought to be encouraged? I suppose God DID assume from the beginning that Christians would be viewed as fools. Judge Scalia is doing his part...

Now what was that "burn in hell" statement all about? Hmmmmmm... What a shameless hypocrite! Shame on the Knights of Columbus for buying into his BULLSHIT!

[tabasco]

24. Law experts consider Scalia a fool ...

but it has nothing to do with his religion. It's because of his stupid, unprincipled written opinions.

Even conservative law professors don't hide their disdain for Scalia.

[ecoalex]

26. These people are dangerous, revisionists

They idolise the reverse parastolic spasm that revision brings, ignorance, and religion has that effect.The hipocracy of this decade of rethuglicanism will be noted in history, as the time America threw off the bonds of thought, law and science.

[realFedUp]

25. and America lives for real justice

here on earth.

[Skidmore]

27. Not an activist judge?

Coulda fooled me.

[struggle4progress]

31. Talk is cheap, Tony. Give everything you have to the poor.

[Redstone]

32. He's REALLY saying that Christians are stupid!

"God assumed from the beginning that the wise of the world would view Christians as fools ... and he has not been disappointed."

That's pretty unequivocal...He really is saying that the "wise people" are on one side, and Christians on the other, and that you can't be both Christian and "wise."

Pretty damn insulting to Christians, if you ask me.

But not surprising coming from him, given that he's about dumb as a sack of hammers.

Redstone

[mitchum]

33. There's a sucker born again every minute...

certainly seems that Scalia is implying this.
And he would know.

[RPM]

34. does this bloviating gassbag ever shut up?

Ever?

[Solly Mack]

35. Oh, I know the answer to that !!!!!

NO :)

[Duncan Grant]

38. *'s favorite Justice?!

I can't figure this madness out anymore. What's really bizarre is that the fundy 'apocalypse' protestants have huge issues with the Catholic church and especially with the Pope.

Unless attitudes have changed radically over the last 25 years; evangelical fundamentalists chaff in close proximity to Catholics. I can't figure out who the GOP is pandering to anymore... :shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

39. Scalia is a member of the rightwing Catholic cult Opus Dei

The founder of Opus Dei, who was canonized Saint by the anti-condom Pope, was a rabid anti-Semite and a Hitler admirer. Opus Dei is a threat to the security of our nation and the world!

Here is some info from the Opus Dei Awareness Network:

http://www.odan.org/what_is_opus_dei.htm

[VegasWolf]

54. Wonder if Scalia flaggelates himself and sleeps on the floor? n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

65. No he wears a wire that cuts into his calf muscle just below the

knee. Standard Opus Dei insanity..

[ChicanoPwr]

62. More info on Opus Dei

Opus Dei, Latin for the “work of God,” is a lay group in the Catholic Church founded in 1928. About 15 Harvard students are closely affiliated with the group, which they call “the Work.”

<snip>

Opus Dei is what is called a “personal prelature” of the Catholic Church—an entity under the jurisdiction of the Vatican but separate from regional dioceses. In 1982, Pope John Paul II approved the creation of the personal prelature as a new kind of organization in the Church expressly for the purpose of defining Opus Dei. Three popes prior to John Paul had denied Opus Dei this status.

<snip>

Hutchninson argues that Opus Dei’s political contacts “blossomed” in the United States during the Reagan years when the Work “placed its agents inside the White House and recruited among the middle ranks of the Pentagon.”

<snip>

This is the charge of ODAN, the Opus Dei Awareness Network. According to Executive Director Dianne R. DiNicola, who founded ODAN in 1991, the goal of the group is to provide information, outreach and support to people around the world who claim to have been hurt by Opus Dei.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=347478

[AndyTiedye]

41. Traditional Xtianity Would Be A Big Improvement Over What They're Peddling

There is nothing traditional about this Dominionist stuff that is
taking over our country.

[Southsideirish]

44. I wonder if he says the rosary?

Its a really hard prayer to say - next to impossible to maintain concentration with all the repetition. I know the traditionals love to talk about the rosary but the Pope said recently just pray - no matter what form it takes!
I like to meditate with a mantra according to the Irish Benedictine, Fr. John Main school of Catholic meditation. It works for me and creates a peaceful state of mind, more conducive to prayer/communication with the man upstairs.

[ihelpu2see]

48. and the scuddle is he will be the next Chief Justice

sad......

[74dodgedart]

49. Traditional as in crusades and inquisitions ?

[Roaming]

51. He's probably referring to what the Bible says about

the world hating Christians, as it hated Jesus. Also, "Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a “fool” so that he may become wise." (1 Cor. 3:18)

[maxsolomon]

52. "God Assumed"?

"God" didn't say shit to anyone about Jesus - he spoke to Jesus if he spoke to anyone, and he certainly didn't speak to Paul.

So, did Jesus assume the wise would think Chrisians fools? I don't believe he was alive when "Christianity" was invented.

Scalia is a LAZY CHRISTIAN. Tossing about God & Jesus as if they were the same - its a TRINITY, Tony.

[VegasWolf]

56. Remember the neo conservative mantra, pick a religion, any

religion, and it will suffise to control the citizens.

[Skittles]

57. tell me again why I have to respect a person's "faith" ?

:puke:

[IndianaGreen]

58. Scalia's faith deserves as much respect as Osama bin Laden's faith

which is to say, no respect whatsoever, for they both represent religious extremism at its worst.

[kclown]

61. Virgin birth=Immaculate Conception

I wish he had said that, because it is taken for granted by the vast majority of Catholics and non-Catholics alike, and it is demonstrably untrue.

"Virgin birth" is a conclusion drawn from the gospel that Joseph noticed Mary's pregnancy before he had sexual relations with her, and that he had no relations with her after the angel told him not to worry about it. Catholics are expected to believe the Bible, but this is not church doctrine.

"Immaculate Conception" arose in a 19th-century debate about whether Mary could be worthy of being Christ's mother if she, like all others, carried the stain of original sin which is washed away by baptism. This argument was resolved by the doctrine of her "Immaculate Conception", which states that Mary, uniquely, was conceived without original sin. This is church doctrine, and to emphasize it a new Holy Day of Obligation was added (Dec. 8). The Vatican took the occasion of this proclamation to add the claim of infallibility formally for the first time.

[Chicago Democrat]

64. Mary was only a virgin after the 3rd Century

Council of Nicea, which established the single doctrine and the Nicean Creed, which many Christians still say today. That began the purge of the Gnostics and the Gnostic Gospels, where Mary is no virgin, Jesus has brothers and even a twin and Mary Magdeline is Jesus's lover and favorite apostle..

[Chicago Democrat]

63. B

LOW

ME

[fshrink]

66. What would stop this asshole to

pronounce that burning people alive is OK? I'm not even talking about the constitutional separation of church and state, since it's obviously entirely gone. This is getting better every day.