Stopping Carnivore Doesn't Stop FBI Surveillance

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ASHINGTON--The FBI (news - web sites) has discontinued the use of Carnivore, its controversial and top-secret Internet monitoring program, but your Internet service provider probably has already taken its place as a gatherer of information.

Surprisingly, after all the controversy about the Carnivore program when word of its use first trickled out nearly five years ago, the FBI says it hasn't used the Carnivore program in the past 24 months. Instead, it substitutes commercially available programs that do the same thing--gather information, such as e-mail messages, from the PC of a person under investigation.\

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Asked whether EPIC is worried that ISPs have free reign to monitor their customers' Internet traffic, David Sobel, the advocacy group's general counsel, says, "I think that's ultimately the reality anyway, whether the FBI is in the picture or not. The ISP obviously has access to everything that's on its own network." If outsiders' access is limited, "then at least we're not doing more harm than the status quo," he says.

Gathering information directly from the ISP without the use of FBI or other software, Sobel says, is the "least invasive approach.... The ISP in effect acts as the filter and presumably protects its subscribers who are not named in a court order." In this way, Sobel says, the FBI is prevented from having full access to a network

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[EVDebs]

1. Big Brother can always get (outsourced) Little Brothers to act for him

Besides, most of the information is already accessable overseas in India, Bahamas (CAPPS II) and many other places:

The 'theives' already have access, so do our 'intell' agencies

""But Alan Paller, director of research at the Bethesda, Md.-based SANS Institute, said the California law is probably necessary because the kinds of crimes that are being committed. For example, a group in Russia and Ukraine has been acquiring customer data, extorting money to prevent its release and selling it anyway. Paller said he believes some companies are paying off the extortionists in an attempt to contain the damage. "You have to make the price of paying off the extortionists higher than the price of not paying them off, and this bill is the first thing that does that," he said.""



http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/privacy/story/0,10801,76768,00.html

[rocktivity]

2. Carnivore stopped themselves in 1987 when they broke up

I was at the farewell concert, and even if I weren't, I'm a hard rock journalist and should about know it anyway. Peter Steele, the band's bassist and singer, went on to form Type O Negative. But with the kind of lyrics he writes, it's no wonder the FBI is still watching him!



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rocknation

[jokerman93]

3. self deleted n/t

[RawMaterials]

4. spy ware ?????n/m