Sticker stuck in cop's craw (woman threatened arrest for bumper sticker)

[intheflow]

Sticker stuck in cop's craw
He's subject of probe after coming unglued over bumper theme

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
January 25, 2005

A Denver police sergeant is under investigation for allegedly threatening to arrest a woman Monday for displaying on her truck a derogatory bumper sticker about President Bush.

"He told her that this was a warning and that the next time he saw her truck, she was going to be arrested if she didn't remove the sticker," said Alinna Figueroa, 25, assistant manager of The UPS Store where the confrontation took place. "I couldn't believe it."

...About 11 a.m., Shasta Bates, 26, was standing in the shopping center store in the 800 block of South Monaco Parkway when a man walked in and started arguing with her about a bumper sticker on the back of her truck that had "F--- Bush" in white letters on a black background.

...The two argued for a few minutes, and then the man walked out of the store and stood behind Bates' truck. A few minutes later, the man flagged down police Sgt. Michael Karasek, who was patrolling the area.

(more)

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3495709,00.html

[prayin4rain]

1. That is scary. n/t

[scarlett1]

116. go read Cohen V. California

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

403 U.S. 15
Argued February 22, 1971
Decided June 7, 1971

Syllabus

Appellant was convicted of violating that part of Cal. Penal Code § 415 which prohibits "maliciously and willfully disturb the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person . . . by . . . offensive conduct," for wearing a jacket bearing the words "Fuck the Draft" in a corridor of the Los Angeles Courthouse. The Court of Appeal held that "offensive conduct" means "behavior which has a tendency to provoke others to acts of violence or to in turn disturb the peace," and affirmed the conviction. Held: Absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense. Pp. 22-26.

1 Cal. App. 3d 94, 81 Cal. Rptr. 503, reversed.
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/cohen.html


There was A Consitutional Law Professor where I went to Law school who has a Jeans Jacket with this "F*ck the Draft" on the back that one of his classes gave him

the U is in it the word on the jacket

[Cronus Protagonist]

121. Get your FUCK BUSH buttons. magnets, stickers here!

I've had cops come up to my booth and laugh at my FUCK THE POLICE buttons.... btw





http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[MADem]

124. I'm sure they regarded the message

....as a hopeful sign, a suggestion, a plan for a wild Friday night, perhaps?? They probably buy them, and add "PLEASE!" at the bottom!!

[V Lee]

169. I think Bush violated that ...

So Cal. Penal Code § 415 prohibits "maliciously and willfully disturb the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person . . . by . . . offensive conduct," ... "offensive conduct" means "behavior which has a tendency to provoke others to acts of violence or to in turn disturb the peace,"

Didn't Bush do this BIG TIME in Iraq? That's got to be the mother of all "behavior which has a tendency to provoke others to acts of violence or to in turn disturb the peace," second only to Hitler.

[Bush on crack]

141. Wow

This is scary! I know a lady who had a button like that and they told her to take it off at the public library, that is one thing but for the cops to threaten arrest and harass her is insane. This is just harrasment, cops need to go after the real criminals and lay off the peace-abiding pacifist citizens who want no part of this bloody massacure called a war.

[Sugarbleus]

185. Geez, if the VP can say it, why can't we?

Heard a talkshow host speaking about his right to use the word when he was frustrated in the Social Security Office one day. He used the word, then a security guard came over and told him not to use it in the office (used the government building as an excuse etc).

The talkshow host said 'if my VP can say it in a government building, so can I...fuck, fuck, fuck!' LOL

Personally, I would have gone ballistic on the guy how jacked me up for the sticker in the FIRST PLACE. Gotta be tough people...don't let the other side intimidate you.

TAKE AMERICA BACK!

[htuttle]

2. I'd take the ticket, and make a stink in court

Plead Not Guilty, demand a jury trial, and call in the media (sounds like that part's already been done).

[Warpy]

Don't forget a call to the ACLU

That's what they're there for.

[MidwestTransplant]

16. I would make him arrest me.

[htuttle]

19. Good idea

...then sue the FUCK out of the city.

I'd start the bidding at $2,000,000 for false imprisonment and mental suffering.

[Democracy Died]

149. Whoa. As a resident of Denver

and the incident happened near my house - I gotta say that we have a bunch of local nuts here.. I am sure that the Freeper happens to be one of them.

Since Denver voted overwhelmingly for Kerry, I think "Fuck Bush" sticker is appropriate around here, and the cop needs to appreciate that since * cut off first responder funding anyway.

[havocmom]

36. Yeah because he needs to be re-evaluated to maintain his job.

The man needs a bit of testing.

[Guaranteed]

80. ABSOLUTELY. FORCE that guy to drag you into court.

And then rip that fucking badge right off of his shirt.

[intheflow]

29. Story only got coverage because

a reporter happened to be in the immediate vicinity.

[MountainLaurel]

75. Absolutely true

Otherwise, it would be her word against theirs, and a police officer's word is always valued over a mere mortals.

:eyes:

[donheld]

120. You should read some of these, and vote in the poll

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/comment/0,1299,DRMN_15_59214,00.html

[swimmernsecretsea]

3. More evidence of eroding freedoms

...as if more were needed...

[egoprofit]

62. ALL HAIL THE KING OR PAY THE PRICE

the streets will flow with the blood of the non believers.

(The State of Americas; 2005)

[louis-t]

102. 'the streets will flow'

I have a friend who says this in a funny voice. I've never heard anyone else use this expression.

[egoprofit]

125. it's from "beavis and butthead"

it's from a "beavis and butthead" episode when beavis is "cornholio"... heh

[louis-t]

133. Ohhhhhh, I remember the 'cornholio' thing

just didn't remember the other part. "I need t.p. for my bungholio."

[okieinpain]

the united kingdom of bush. bow down you bastards, bow.

[demnan]

4. Some states have a laws about posting obscenities

in a public place. Personally I wouldn't have a bumpersticker that said F**K anybody. You are just asking for it.

[maxrandb]

37. Wait a GD Minute!

How do we know it is profanity? I'm being a little cute here, but who decides it's obscene or profane? Could it not just as well mean...

Free Bush
Flat Bush
Fire Bush
Forget Bush
Fix Bush
Fork Bush
Fry Bush

Or any other number of words that begin with "F"? I've seen bumper stickers that say ______ Happens! Don't think anyones ever been arrested for it.

Man if it gets to the point where we can't even display an innocuous bumper sticker on OUR OWN CARS!..then what the hell Freedom are we getting our young men and women killed for?

Thank God we don't have thought police YET!

OH, and the GD in my subject line means "Great Danes".

"If my thought dreams, could be seen,
They'd probably stick my head, in a guillotine,
But it's alright ma' It's life and life only" - Bob Dylan

[intheflow]

39. I think it only says "F Bush" in the article because

they won't publish the word "F*ck".

[mrbassman03]

57. Well, F*ck isn't a word either... :-)

Couldn't resist... all this talk about almost bad words.

[intheflow]

83. I know, I thought that when typing it.

But my Protestant upbringing prohibits me from swearing unless truly angered. Fucking religious guilt baggage! LOL :P

[proud2BlibKansan]

181. No it says

the bumper sticker just say 'F____', not 'Fuck'.

So this bumper sticker is less offensive than our vice president (in more ways than one - hee hee).

[TahitiNut]

41. You miss the point. "Bush" is the obscenity.

"Fuck" is just something healthy people have done for all of human history.

[katsy]

55. actually. it means...

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. If I'm not mistaken, it was an old British law.

[TahitiNut]

64. Urban legend. There's nothing to support that.

Just as there's no support for the myth it means "Fornication Under Consent of the King."

AFAIK, "fuck" has been in our language since even before modern english; it has Germanic roots. In German, for example, it's "ficken".

[Sunny_Sunshine]

67. No, no, it means Footballers Untying Cheerleaders Knickers

[katsy]

68. we both stand corrected...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck#Early_usage

[TahitiNut]

82. I regard Wikipedia fairly highly, but not as infallible.

It's open to updates by anyone. I'd prefer a more peer-checked, academic source in this case, since the controversy (and extensive revisionism) has raged for decades.

[Stella_Artois]

109. As the prince said to the nun....

"In 1900, the Prince Albert Edward, Prince of Wales said, "Fuck it, I've taken a bullet" when he was shot by an anarchist while standing on a Brussels railway station."

Albert has just gone up a number of places in my estimation

[laylah]

129. A definition I found when 14,

in the Oxford dictionary, stated the original spelling was "fuque" and was Celtic for "plant". I told my mom this and over supper that night my dad got a bit "lippy" so she told him to go "plant" himself. Coming from the only child of a librarian and 100% elite English background, that was pretty funny! (location story :silly:).

Jenn

[ashmanonar]

159. i like the one def of it in wikipedia...

Fornication Under Consent of the King.

altho i know it's really a derivative of fokken, in some form of germanic language.

[TalkingDog]

130. Agreed

http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/f/fword.html
"It was recorded in a dictionary in 1598 (John Florio's A World of Words). It is remotely derived from the Latin futuere and Old German ficken/fucken meaning 'to strike or penetrate', which had the slang meaning 'to copulate'."

So the best guess is that it comes from ME "fucken" = to strike, move quickly, penetrate, from the German "ficken"= the same thing.

One of my mentors disliked the word because it connotated violence.
He said we were basically saying "Pound you."

[TahitiNut]

135. That's the etymology I regard as least apocryphal.

It has an almost Chaucerian feel to it. Today, it's the Swiss-Army-knife of words - useful in the most diverse of senses.

[American Tragedy]

174. In fact, most English "bad words" have Germanic origin

I noticed that immediately when I learned German and Dutch years ago. I would guess that is no coincidence. It's probably an old Norman aristocrat value judgment against the more 'vulgar' Anglo-Saxon/Germanic languages of the peasantry, in favor of French/Latin synonyms.

[donheld]

66. Exactly right

:bounce::hi: Welcome to DU

[frankly_fedup2]

180. No, the law states that Carnal Knowledge is

oral sex. Seriously, in the state of Virginia anyway.

[Roland99]

81. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Good one!!

[LiberalFighter]

171. I go for Fix Bush.... and do a video

[caligirl]

44. My oldest son wore a t-shirt for the last 4 years with F* Racism, I

let him wear it because one is as offensive as the other. You can't get upset about the f word and not be at least as upset about racism.

He got some glancing looks, Bay Area, but no hassles. He now studies philosophy and politics at UC.

[JohnnyRingo]

78. Supreme Court trumps State law..(I think):

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/wdhlocal/291344070488680.shtml

[Rose Siding]

146. "One man's profanity is another man's lyric"

Great quote. May it NEVER reach a Scalia Court!

from the op article...

Colorado ACLU Legal Director Mark Silverstein said that the alleged threat of arrest clearly violates First Amendment protection.

"The Supreme Court considered a case about 30-some years ago where a person was prosecuted for wearing a jacket that said, 'F--- the draft,' on the back. The Supreme Court said states could not prohibit people from wearing such a jacket," he said. "They said, 'One man's profanity is another man's lyric.' "

Ted Halaby, chairman of the Colorado Republican Party, said that while he finds the bumper sticker's message distasteful, he also realizes that it's probably protected under the First Amendment.

[rinsd]

100. Reminds me of when I was a kid...

...there was this horrid yellow old beater car in which the owner had spray painted stenciled depictions of sex positions. We called it the Fuck Car. The stencils were all over his car but after a couple of months, he painted the car all black except for one last depiction on the back which was also eventually covered. Whether he did this because of police action, I only have rumor(which said yes) to rely on.

[hobbit709]

162. Define obscenities please

I once got jumped on about cussing up a storm and told I need to say things differently. My response "It's my birthday and I'm so fornicating happy, I could just defecate"

a few years ago the florida legislature tried to outlaw the "Shit happens" bumper stickers. One bright boy started selling "Feces Occurs" stickers

[mirandapriestly]

5. well, I don't know..

is it about the anti bush content or is it about the profanity content?

[progressivebydesign]

21. The profanity. Nowhere was it mentioned that it was content. n/t

[DulceDecorum]

38. Cheney says FUCK and in Senate too.

And so all the newspapers published that word because Cheney made it fit to print.

I think the most you can get that lady for is false advertisment
because I am fairly certain that she would NOT F**k Bush
even if you loaned her Mann Coulter's equipment.

[Stand and Fight]

6. Bastard Facists...

So much for freedom of speech... Hopefully liberty can prevail!

[tridim]

7. I'm convinced my last speeding ticket

was bumper sticker related. I was only doing about 4-5 mph over in a 70 mph zone and I was pulled over and charged for 12 mph over. It was my first ticket in 10 years. With very few exceptions, Denver police suck.

[Rockerdem]

10. Welcome to the real world of cops

Others have it a lot worse, believe me.

[liberal N proud]

11. On the other hand I might contribute my warning to my bumper sticker

A cop pulled me over doing 48 in a 35.
As he walked up to my car, he tapped once on the back window, where I still have a Kerry sticker.
All I got was a verbal warning?

[intheflow]

14. You got that right!

If they're not keeping spy files on legal, peaceful protesters, they're shooting mentally ill teenagers or shooting old men in thier beds when they raid the wrong house. :(

[jobycom]

32. It's a tough job. 80% do it right

Remember 9-11, remember who risked their lives while Bush fled around the country with his tale between his legs, thinking only of, in his words, "self-preservation." Remember who lost their lives when they could have run the other way.

20% are bad. Unfortunately, the system protects them too much. The system needs some work, too.

[intheflow]

45. Don't mean to disparage all officers.

But I've been appalled at the disrepect for citizens that Denver police show. I moved here 4 years ago and there's just been one news headline after another. Sure, most cops are probably good people, but when you read about this kind of stuff happening day after day, it bodes ill for the culture within this particular force.

[jobycom]

51. I know, just adding balance

I lived in Dallas in the 80s, and the police force there was like that. Every month it seemed some unarmed civilian, usually black or Hispanic, was shot by a cop, and it was always the victim's fault-- he didn't raise his hands fast enough, he had a wallet that looked like a gun, whatever. It got so bad at one point that people started fighting back. On one day a cop was killed by a homeless man with his own gun, and a woman faked a breakdown on a deserted road to ambush a cop. She failed. There were even cops pulling guns on an outspoken black city councilmember in his own home. The cops even managed to make it look like the council member's fault, even though the cop walked up in his yard and started shouting at him.

I left soon after that. Dallas seems to have calmed down since then, but I don't live there, so I don't know.

The problem is that when these 20% or so of bad cops do something wrong, the system protects them. It gives the other cops bad names.

[intheflow]

74. jobycom... the Anti-Fox!

Thanks for your fair and balanced contributions! Sanity (not Hannity) reigns! :hug:

[jobycom]

90. LOL

My fair and balanced views just pissed someone off on an evolution thread, so thanks for not yelling at me here! :-)

[paulk]

87. backing you up

I've lived in denver for going on 13 years and the denver police force is the most disrespectful of anyplace I've ever lived.

I really don't understand why - but it does seem to be a "cultural" problem - it's been a problem for a long time.

[mongo]

93. I think you hit the jackppot on the "culture" issue

In Chicago in the late 70's early 80's I had a number of nasty run-ins with the cops. Like trying to pick a fight with me after I made an illegal right turn on red.

But the cops in Revere Ma, outside of Boston, were some of the most perfessional, friendly, helpfull people I have ever come accross.

And the cops here in Zanesville, Oh. have been pretty good to me.

[atreides1]

52. I Remember

It was the NYPD, not the Denver PD.

Now do you remember???

[TahitiNut]

54. They must've thought Amadou Diallo did it.

:evilgrin:

[jobycom]

56. Watch the tude, dude

I didn't attack anyone, I just pointed something out. Sorry if it got you all rude and everything.

[TankLV]

106. Mine too - got them all dismissed, too!

FUCK YOU bUSH*!

[trogdor]

119. Seems to me some people's cars keep logs.

[Renew Deal]

8. Is it legal to use foul language like that in public.

I'm not talking about the Bush part of it. I mean, can I put a sticker on my car that says FUCK? Are there laws against that?

[snippy]

I think the Supreme Court ruled years ago that this would be protected

under the first amendment. As I recall the case involved a Vietnam war protester wearing a shirt that said "Fuck the Draft."

[Occulus]

84. public profanity is illegal in MI

look up the "cussing canoist" story, it's probably all over the net by now, as it happened a couple years ago...

[ashmanonar]

160. heh.

i live on a college campus, so the public profanity law has no consequence here...

[rinsd]

104. I'm not so sure about that....(nevermind)

I remember this wacky case of a man who was swearing getting arrested & convicted for doing so in the presence of children.

On Edit: while trying to find the story I found out a higher court nixed his conviction

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=15992

[MADem]

126. The charge, if I remember, was brought

....based on "community standards." But also, there was a local law on the books about swearing or blaspheming, or something like that, from way back when. That's how they managed to get it into court in the first place. Absent any local law on the books in the bumper sticker case, that cop would have a hard time even getting it to the docket, I would suppose. Any lawyers out there with cogent comment to clarify?

[TX-RAT]

95. Not in TX

Sec 42.01 Disorderly conduct.

[liberal N proud]

9. My question is, did it actually have the word or was it F - - - ?

if that is all it was then they can go F#$% themselves.
And even if it was fully spelled out, then they can still do it.
Afterall, our vice president can use the word in the Senate Chambers so what the F'
:wtf:

[intheflow]

18. Uh... yeah. Read the story.

No known laws against bumper stickers with profanity in Denver. Such a law would be a First Amendment violation.

[DoNotRefill]

46. I know Virginia Beach has an anti-profanity ordinance...

so it's quite possible that there may be an ordinance regarding general profanity, but not specific to bumper stickers.

[jobycom]

33. Oh man, what an excellent point about Cheney!

Wonder if Bubba Cop wanted to arrest Cheney over that?

[bullimiami]

12. every little hitler thinks he is bushs mandate.

our society is sick.

[truthpusher]

13. I think I know the truck....

....I've seen it around town. I always admired the balls that they had for putting the sticker on their truck. By the way the most offensive thing I have seen on a truck are the anatomically correct brass-balls that hang from the trailer-hitch & usually accompany a confederate sticker.

[jobycom]

24. I want one of those stickers, now.

I've seen a couple around Austin, but if they anger conservatives that much, I want one.

The most profane stickers I've seen are the ones that support Bush's slaughter. If you can put a sticker on your car calling for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people, I should be able to put one on my car that calls for a sex act to be done to Bush.

Interesting that the article can't spell out the word "Fuck," isn't it?

[intheflow]

47. Here's a "profanity light" version of the sticker:

http://dontblamemeivoted4kerry.com/media/FTHEPRESIDENT

[Bake]

131. LOVE IT!!!

Gotta get me one of those!! I'm so sick of those "W - The President" stickers!!

Bake

[mrbassman03]

59. Well, children might read it, for god's sake!!!

Oh, the horrors!!!

[TahitiNut]

65. Well, gosh ... then they might write it on the sidewalks.

The foundations of civilization might crumble ... all as a result of children being able to read and write. Bush* will fix that - with the help of fundifascists.

[jobycom]

91. Good. I'm hoping to teach my kids to say it!

[youngdem]

98. Hopefully my children

will echo the sentiment of the sticker:)( without the "F" word, of course.)I do not want my children growing up to be socialized into thinking like little Bushies!!

[chicagojoe]

15. Another glorified security guard with nothing better to do.

[jobycom]

17. This isn't proof of fascism, it's proof of bad cops

The article says there are no laws that would make the bumper sticker illegal, and that any such laws would go against past Supreme Court rulings, anyway.

This is proof that there are bad cops who will abuse their power for their own private gain. You know how every time a black man is pulled over in a white neighborhood he cries "discrimination?" This is prrof he's probably right.

This cop needs to be looking for work tomorrow morning, with a mark so black on his record that no police force in the country would hire him. He's just one bad day away from creating the next Rodney King, or the next Malice Green. Of course, he'll get away with it when he does, because we all know that no cop would let his personal feelings interfere with his job.

[progressivebydesign]

20. Okay.. flame away. I AGREE with the cop!

I have NO problem with anti-Bush stickers. Even anti-Clinton stickers that didn't advocate violence. BUT!!!! I DO have a problem with PROFANE stickers on cars. As a parent, it gets really old. And frankly, I'm getting so tired of rude, mannerless people. Good taste and CONSIDERATION for other people's children should dictate that you dont' have FUCK BUSH on your car, for everyone to see.

This is NOT a political issue. But everyone here is making it one. It's a profanity issue. Many cities have laws against profanity on signs, cars, etc. I read the article, and not once did I feel that the cop made it a political issue.

[Sparkle]

27. I agree. I wouldn't put a F*** Bush bumper sticker on my car.

I value my life.

[intheflow]

28. Does profanity on bumper stickers bother you so much you would

follow someone into a store and harrasss them about it, and then call a cop over to back you up? That's what happened. Seems kind of spiteful for someone to be so offended by what is today a very common word.

If it isn't about the content, then it is about the intimidation... which amounts to to the same thing as the stiffling First Amendment rights. :shrug:

[Sparkle]

89. No, it wouldn't bother me that much to do all of that.

I don't know what is up with these Bush lovers that get offended so easy. But I said I wouldn't put a F Bush sticker on my car because I surrouded by a bunch of Bush loving idiots that would do damage to me or my car. It's not worth it.

[progressivebydesign]

139. No.. I'm not defending the jerk who accosted her...

.. but I think the cop was within rights to question it, because there was perhaps a law on the books prohibiting it. Her sticker was just totally classless.. unfortunately in America, that's not a crime. The prisons are large enough for that..

[jobycom]

31. Okay, I'll flame

It's not a profanity issue. It's a word, and words are expressions, and they are protected by the Constitution. There was no picture of someone fucking Bush, it was just the word, and as you know, the word has a lot of connotations beyond the sex act.

You've read the article, so you've seen that the Supreme Court has ruled that no laws can ban such expression.

The cop didn't know the law. In addition, the cop not only told her to remove that sticker, but told her to remove the "stickers," and that he had better not catch her in that area again. That area. Not that the stickers couldn't be in that area. That she couldn't. The cop was not responding to the profanity-- which he wouldn't have had the right to do anyway-- he was responding to her stickers, and to her.

If you think your kids are better served by this cop than by seeing a naughty word--one most kids have heard a hundred times a week, anyway-- then you and I have different dreams for our children. I'd rather my daughters live free than live unoffended, and I'm sure a lot more disturbed by stickers that support Bush's slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people than by a naughty word. If it takes profanity to get people riled up, then use it. That's what freedom of expression means-- the freedom to piss people off.

The flame is only of your post, not of you.

[TahitiNut]

53. Agreed. Bravo.

:thumbsup:

[Sparkle]

88. Very good explanation. Thanks.

"There was no picture of someone fucking Bush,.."

Thank God for that!

[Bake]

132. Sometimes "fuck" is the ony appropriate word!

Profane? How about the loss of over 1,200 American lives? Isn't that profane???

Yes it is. Sometimes "fuck" is the only appropriate word.

Bake

[RoeBear]

184. I love it when

people revert to the war in Iraq as a defense for everything.

"How can we go after this lady for having an obscene bumper sticker
when there are people dying in Iraq?"

"How can we go after Janet Jackson for flashing during the Super Bowl
when there are people dying in Iraq?"

What's next?

" How can you give me a ticket for speeding when there are people dying in Iraq?"

[fleabert]

35. I don't want to flame you, just a question...

why should everyone, the childless included, be required to have consideration or good taste for the sake of the children? Other people's children for that matter?

Aren't they going to hear it/read it anyway? I don't know a single person who doesn't cuss at least on occasion. My 91 year old great grandmother lets a 'damn' fly once in a while! Great literature has curse words, should that be considered as well in profanity laws?

Where do we/should we draw the line?

[havocmom]

43. Her consideration for other people's kids might well have prompted her

to put the bumper sticker ON her truck! Better to have kids see a word which they already hear on the playground anyway than to have their futures mortgaged by the junta's tax cuts for the rich and endless wars. Better the kids read the word on a bumper sticker than understand it fully as they dodge bullets in Iraq.

Words are not obscene. They simply express concepts which may be obscene.

Teach your kids manners, values, and help them understand real issues. Insure they have a vocabulary which will help them express complex, strong emotions without using words you don't want to hear from them. Hiding words from them doesn't do anybody any good.

[Supersedeas]

70. Arrest the Mannerless...so now some are advocating etiquette police

Surely, your precious little ones are likely to come across rudeness that is more insidious and dare I say more relevant to inciting danger/violence than bumper-stickers in their lives.

One word: perspective.

The VP tells a sitting US Senator to F* off, which is duly reported, as a picture of where this country stands politically.

The Network News reports US troops stacking Iraqi detainees in naked pyramids and dragging their naked bodies with liches, but you are concerned with rude bumper stickers...and ready to dispatch the etiquette police. Wow...I detect some balance issues.

Touching how BURNED up one can get about phonetics. Really...touching.

But, when it comes to your kids, by all means, apply flame guard, news guard, radio guard, reading guard, car guard, school guard, bookstore guard, etc guard, and so-on so-on and so-on guard...but before you press the national phonetic security guard button--re-read a few First Amendment cases...or are that too rude too?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

86. He either needed to cite a law and ticket her or not

Otherwise, this is a flagrant abuse of power

[jobycom]

111. Damn

That's what I said, but I took a whole lot more words to do it! Thanks, sis.

[Maat]

148. It is not a political issue; you are correct!

It's a constitutional issue! And the cop is not allowed to arrest him for that - it is protected speech.

A city could have a 100 laws against profanity. They will be struck if the circumstances are the same as in this case. The U.S. Constitution and its case law trump a local law.

Whether you find it offensive or not. The cop did not have to make any kind of issue. He was completely out of line, and needs to bone up on THE LAW (the case law that trumps any local ordinance, by far).

[nashville_brook]

22. just goes to show that political life is alive and well on our bumpers

if it weren't for the little tidbits we adhere to our vehicles, we'd have no speech at all.

[Walt Starr]

23. I wonder what our "Ask the police" Duer would think of this cop?

:shrug:

[Cooley Hurd]

77. I'd bet he'd ignore her...

...you know, because she said "fuck" and all.:crazy:

[ProfessorGAC]

156. Probably. He's Got 10,000 People On Ignore

The Professor

[Sparkle]

25. Is the profanity that bothers him or is it because he realizes

that not everyone like to bend over for Bush?

[johncoby2]

26. I had people laugh at my sticker......until....

I tell them it's not meant to be funny.

[opihimoimoi]

30. Its becoming Brown...... the Nation is slowly turning Brown......

The Brwn Shirts of Florida 2000 has become contagious.....

[sniffa]

34. i can't even read the fucking story

fuck that shit, there must be too many fucking DUers trying to fucking read at once.

[davidinalameda]

40. can people be ticketed for swearing in public?

it seems to be the same issue if we're going with the "F" word as the reason for the ticket

[TahitiNut]

49. A recent case in Michigan was overturned.

A fellow was ticketed due to his language while canoing (I beleive) which ran against some local statute. On appeal, the statute was ruled an unconstitutional infringement on free speech.

[GOPFighter]

42. It's Dumb

I fully agree that the sticker is legal and that the man who walked in and confronted the owner is an uptight ass, but...

...putting a bumper sticker that says Fuck Bush on your bumper is... juvenile. Yeah, it feels good when you're pissed at the world (or the Fundies, or the neo-cons) to give everyone the finger, but you can rest assured that you will offend the very people we are trying to convince that we are better than the Republicans. I'd rather turn my anger into productive work for change.

Flame away....

[DELUSIONAL]

50. After all the crap bumper stickers I've seen by the

GOPigs and right wing nut cases -- directed at Clinton --

FUCK BUSH -- is tame.

The problem I see is the double standard -- threats were made against Clinton and HIS FAMILY by the right wing.

Kenny Starr published Porn -- in his efforts to disgrace Clinton.

FUCK BUSH is mild compared to what was going on while Clinton was Prez.

Keep saying FUCK -- until it can no longer be used as a weapon.

[Ian David]

63. I've been in the same situation myself. The cop threatened to beat me up!

I was trying to get off at an exit, and this cop kept boxing me in to keep me from getting over into the exit lane.

It was pretty heavy traffic, and even under the best of circumstances, it was hard to get into the exit lane after coming off the merge where I was.

I'd speed-up, and then he'd speed-up to stay right next to me.

Finally, I gunned it, shot ahead of him and (this is where I was stupid) I flipped him the bird.

Well, of course the lights came on and he pulled me over.

He was mad as hell and had his hand on his gun the whole time.

He was furious that I gave him the finger. I said, "Well, maybe I was waving to thank you for letting me get over?"

That didn't help.

He asked to see my license, etc. I took off my seatbelt to give it to him. He looked it over and he was yelling in my face the whole time.

He yelled at me, "I should give you a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt!"

I said, "I just un-buckled it to get my license out."

He said, "No, you didn't. Why do you think I pulled you over?"

I said, "I just un-buckled my seatbelt right in front of you when you asked to see my ID. You pulled me over because you thought I gave you the finger after you kept deliberately maneuvering to keep me from getting off at my exit because you didn't like my anti-Bush bumper stickers."

"Is that what you're going to tell the magistrate?"

"Yes, absolutely."

Then he told me that he wanted to meet me later without his gun and badge to fight it out. I told him no, thanks.

He was pink and angry and screaming and threatening the whole time.

Eventually, he let me go without ever calling in my license or documenting our contact in any way.

I got his license plate though, and the next day the cops got a letter from my lawyer. My lawyer and I met with the chief of police a few days after that.

My attorney's advice was that unless I could show damages, I couldn't sue.

But the point I made to the chief was this: The guy's partisan politics affects his job. He abuses his position to play games that put others in danger. And if he flies off the handle like a nut job over a middle finger, imagine what he would do to someone who resists arrest or REALLY mouth's off!

I hope to god they fired the bastard.

And yes, I admit, giving a cop the middle finger was a bad idea.

But he DID deserve it.

[prayin4rain]

92. Hahaha you are funny!!! That is so funny you did all of that.

I probably wouldn't have done a damn thing but miss my exit.....good for you.

[Tomee450]

118. I assume you are not black.

I doubt if a black person would have been so lucky. He probably would have been shot with the excuse given that the cop thought he had a gun.

[TankLV]

110. The whole point is to OFFEND them!

THEY offend me by their actions - that's the least I could do back.

I have one proudly displayed on my car.

FUCK bUSH*!

FUCK REPUKES!

[kerouac]

48. Who the F*ck decided F*ck was a bad F*cking Word?

warning: "profane" language below:

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Who decided Fuck was a bad Word?
That's my question.
It's ridiculous that we have "curse" words at all.
It's just one more thing for people to catch shit over.

Which group of anal-retentive assholes sat at the roundtable for that power-trip conference, anyway? Hey, let's make a list of words that nobody should use anymore... and every now and then, we'll add new ones just to keep people on their toes.

What about ass, bitch, bastard, and damn. Those are actually REAL and pretty useful words to begin with. And then there's the kinda-cursey, when profanely-used words like dick, prick, pussy, & cock. People are actually named Dick and with the exception of it's application to Cheney, it's total bullshit that they have to deal with this crap (crap is okay, you can use it instead of shit even though everyone knows you mean shit. Kinda like Beee-atch for bitch, and friggin' for fuckin', and darn for damn). Those are loop-holes.

And don't even get me started on cunt. How did that nugget jump to the top of the list so fast.. Oh, I'm sorry -- I should have spelled that c*nt?

Ridiculous.

[jswordy]

97. So then why did you...

...put a warning at the top of yer post, if profanity is so OK?

For the sake of the children, if for no other, those words should be used in private adult conversation only. And then sparingly.

You know, "nigger" used to be a widely used and publicly used word, one folks would speak without fear of retribution. And I think we all can pretty much agree that the vastly diminished public use of that word through the rise of societal disapproval has been very beneficial to society.

Same with the coarse cuss words, IMHO. The sooner they are taboo in open social discourse again, the better for us all.

[kerouac]

122. Satirical start, serious opinion

The start of my post was meant to be humorous. I put "profanity" in quotes because I think designated "curse words" are ridiculous (especially for normal words like ass). I don't find them any more profane than words like murder or republican (well, maybe not republican).

My ass hurts because I've been sitting in this damn chair all day. Why is that any more "profane" than if I said the same thing using the word tush and darned? It shouldn't be.

As for the sake of children, if they weren't labeled as "curse" words then there would be no reason to "protect" the children from them. Ass is no different than tush, with the exception that ass has other useful meanings and tush doesn't. Stripping children (or restricting adults) of the ability to use real words like ass or damned is, actually, childish.

As for nigger, that's an epithet not a curse. There is no correlation between nigger and ass, damn, bastard, or bitch (mine of which is sleeping by my desk).

Also, the meaning of the word fuck applies to normal, acceptable references (ie: intercourse or an exclamation like shoot or shucks). Saying fuck should be no worse than saying shucks or intercourse or screwed. And it's growing use has diminished it's once bombastic effect, rendering it almost trivially offensive. The more it is used, the more trivial it will become, soon to be relegated to darn.

Making a normal word "bad" serves no useful purpose other than to demonize. Maybe that's why it's called a curse. Say it and you best run to confession or you'll be heading to hell in a bucket. Oops.. sorry, can I say hell or do I have to say "h-e- double hockey sticks" or something inane like that?

Not using words like ass, bitch, bastard, fuck, shit, damn or whatever other "curse" words they come up with has no benefit to society. Surely their being labeled as curses hasn't made the world any better. Quite the contrary, it causes problems where there should be none. If fuck wasn't a "curse" then the guy's 'fuck bush' sticker wouldn't have caused any problems. And again, curses are not epithets.

Again, IMHO "curse" words are ridiculous. The sooner they are no longer "taboo" in open discourse the better we'll all be for it will render them powerless (along with the asses that designate them as taboo to begin with).

I for one would like to be able to say shit when I step in shit without getting shit.

[fleabert]

150. I think I love you.

Seriously, I have been trying to say this (to no avail) for years. What the fuck is the big deal?

:-) I like the word fuck because it is versatile and feels good to say. :-)

thanks for putting my feelings into words, damn fine job.

[0007]

161. Your absolutely 100% fucking right on! Where did humans fall

into this mentality?

"Fuck" is just an English acronym for, Fornicating Under Commonwealths Knowledge.

[RoeBear]

183. So can I go to your kid's Little League game

and say " Nice Fucking catch Johnnie!"

[fooj]

58. We have to stand up...they make no bones about attacking us...

They scream...WE MUST SCREAM LOUDER! We can't let them silence us by using fear as their cowardly tactic. They are nothing but a bunch a thug-bullies! The only way to stop a bully is by confronting them! We have so much more than they do...inside and out!

[CoffeeCat]

60. What happened to this woman...

is the reason why bumper stickers like that exist!!

If BushCo didn't create such a fascist, repressive attitude in the U.S.--no one would be complaining about the Chimpster.

[KittyWampus]

61. People Can Either Decide To Contribute To The Social Consciousness

in a positive way and RAISE the level of discourse or they can choose to LOWER the level of discourse.

It's kind of pathetic that so many mention Cheney swearing in the Senate... as if he's someone to take cues from when it comes to our collective psyche.

I am not defending over zealous cops or curtailing free speech... but if you can't think of a more creative way of expressing your distaste in public than you need to grow up.

It's like a five year old who finds out swearing gets him attention even if it's negative attention. They'll keep repeating it simply to get a rise out of the adults.

One of my art history teachers used to say that profanity when over used is simply a sign of being inarticulate except on the rare occassion when it's best to call a piece of shit a piece of shit.

There's lots more epithets to hurl at Bush than "Fuck Bush"... that would be less coarse and more educational.

[vduhr]

115. It's not the profanity - it's freedom of speech

The whole issue here is freedom of speech and freedom to express our ideas, which is slowly being taken away. Bush's regime has promoted this, and it has been fueled by his (so-called) re-election, so the problem will only get worse. We cannot allow one person, or a large group to dictate to us how he/she/they think we should express ourselves -- it's completely unAmerican!

[Maestro]

69. Well I don't like the use of profanity

in bumper stickers that all can see like my children just like I am sick of seeing these hicks with that cartoon pissing on some brand of truck, but I have a BIG problem with someone coming unglued over a political sticker to the point that the police got involved. Moreover, the police sided with the wing-nut! If I had been the cop I would have scolded the nut for flagging me down over something so petty.

[Stuckinthebush]

71. Would F*** Clinton be acceptable?

I'd imagine it would.

It's the hypocrisy that I can't stand.

[paineinthearse]

137. Which one????

ewwwwww to both.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

72. link won't load ?Did the sticker actually say the F-word or just "F Bush"?

if it just read "F__K Bush" we've got nothing to discuss period.
Not even an obscenity like Cheney used in the Senate- the sticker breaks no laws.

Even if it did say it--so what?--
I have a pin that actually says fuck bush and I wear it at protests.

arrest her?--she'll go to court and win--->

[jswordy]

99. It was actually spelled out ... n/t

[Guns Aximbo]

73. Fascism is on the RISE in the USA

and this is just another example. It's only going to get worse.

[JohnnyRingo]

76. The Supreme Court already ruled on this....Let him arrest her, then sue:

Protester's sign's legality up in air
Obscenity as political expression is protected, law expert says

Downs said a 1971 U.S. Supreme Court decision protects the rights of protesters to use offensive language in political speech. Paul Robert Cohen was convicted in Los Angeles of disturbing the peace for wearing a jacket that said "F--- the Draft," but the Supreme Court overturned the conviction.
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Surely the state has no right to cleanse public debate to the point where it is grammatically palatable to the most squeamish among us," the court wrote. "For while the particular four-letter word (at issue in this case) is more distasteful than others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric."

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/wdhlocal/291344070488680.shtml

[Roland99]

79. I ordered more stickers the other day

I almost got one that read Fuck Bush.


I just might have to go ahead and get one now.


I'd rather have one that reads:


"Go Fuck Yourself, Bush" - Dick Cheney ;)

[jswordy]

85. If F--- was actually spelled out, then it...

...WAS likely illegal under Colorado law. It would be illegal in the state where I live, and illegal in the (different) state where I work.

I remember when the state I was living in during the '80s outlawed profanity on stickers for public display. SHIT HAPPENS got sliced on a lot of cars to read IT HAPPENS.

[LisaM]

94. Do they go after the profane driving bumper stickers, too?

The ones that say, "If You Don't Like My Driving, call 1-800-EAT-SHIT"?

Or the threatening ones, "My Child Can Beat Up Your Honor Student"?

If they let those slide (and I have a part of me that thinks both the above are a little funny) then I think they have to let F*** Bush go.

[jswordy]

96. In my states, they do, and I am GLAD they do...

...because I think kids find out how to be lewd and coarse and profane quickly enough without having to learn more of it on car bumpers!

[youngdem]

101. Sure....

they never hear profanity on the school yard, or even on television. They are NOT exposed to any such thing,ever..Yeah right. Cars bumper stickers are the least of our problems.

[liberalhistorian]

186. You know what?

All you idiots whining about how profanity should never, ever be used in public because of the children and that this woman shouldn't have put it on her car and everyone else should just put stickers of hearts and flowers and dancing lambs and kissing babies because, HORRORS, the "gasp" children will see them can all just GO FUCK YOURSELVES!

Your kids and mine will see and hear a lot worse in the school yard, among friends, and everywhere else and they will all turn out just fine, for the most part. And I do NOT need you people worrying about my son and what he's exposed to for me, I can do that myself, thank you very fucking much. I'd rather be realistic, and rather he be exposed to HORRORS!, profanity that he'll have to learn to hear and deal with in his adult life anyway, than to the horrors of killing civilians in a war brought by his president under false pretenses, or cops turning into the thought police, or seeing his country being turned into a police thought state, or having his social security ruined and totally, yes, FUCKED, by a president for his own personal political gain and to fulfill a FUCKED UP political ideological agenda of destroying public institutions totally, or seeing people struggling to find housing, jobs, food, health care, and sometimes dying because of it in what's supposed to be the richest country in the world, etc., etc., etc.

We've got a lot more important things to worry about that whether or not they're exposed to stupid fucking profanity that has been around for generations and will be around for generations more. So, please don't worry about my son and what he's "exposed" to, I can do that myself, thank you very fucking much.

[proud patriot]

103. I look forward to the fucker who tries this on me and my stickers

I have "FW" We must remind them everyday that we
are "free to be you and me"

[Maat]

147. Hi, Proud Patriot!

It's Ma'at! It was nice meeting you (from one DFAer to another)! And the cop who tried this with me would get what-for (probably the worst punishment ever ... a lecture from me!).

[TX-RAT]

105. Officer may have given her a break

Colorado may have laws against offensive language.
Texas and many other states do.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

113. US constitution trumps states on the bill of rights

It is politically protected free speech.

[TX-RAT]

114. Sorry, profanity doesn't fall into that category.

Sec 42.01 Texas Penal Code

[fleabert]

151. even if the SC case was specifically regarding the word fuck? nt

[goodboy]

107. I hope she sues the shit outta the PD for this...FUCK BUSH INDEED!

[Lisabtrucking]

108. Make sure you take the poll. n/t

[intheflow]

117. YES! Take the poll and read the comments!

Here's my favorite comment volley, back-to-back:

Comment: "The First Amendment guarantees your "freedom of speech" but using profanity in public to express your opinion is one of the reasons George W. Bush will be our President for four more years. As someone who voted for Mr. Bush I say..."keep"

Comment: "They can't handle the profanity, but they can handle the killing of thousands of civilians on weak intelligence."



Good catch, Lisabtrucking. I never even saw the poll. :kick:

[TankLV]

112. They are just lucky it wasn't me that cop tried to come into the store

after!

His ears would have been burning!

COMING INTO THE STORE TO TELL SOMEONE THAT JUST BECAUSE HE'S AN IDIOT bUSH* SUPPORTER?!

He is SOOOOOO lucky.

[Arkana]

123. Not only should she leave the sticker, I'd add more

and make sure this guy sees her car as often as possible. This cop is a true prick.

[Gman]

127. LOL! That's the slogan they hate the most!

All the more reason to plaster it everywhere.

[El Fuego]

128. I've seen "BUCK FUSH" stickers

It's not profanity, but you know what it means.

[texpatriot2004]

134. Way to go Shasta. Check out this Texas Truck no profanity but

it makes a statement.

[alexisfree]

144. ohmg!

I can't have that in my car...I'll be stone! in sacramento...

but you rock!:headbang:

[paineinthearse]

136. Write the Rocky Mountain News

"Rocky Mountain News reporter Katie Kerwin McCrimmon, who happened to be at the store at the time, walked up to the two and asked what was going on...."

A scan of the op-ed and letters show this is a right-leaning paper. Due to the freepers Sgt. Karasek & "the man".

1. Point out that the paper identified Shasta Bates, leaving her open and vunerable to possible harassment, but failed to identify "the man" who had a problem with her bumper sticker.
2. Show your support for Shasta Bates and the support given by Katie Kerwin McCrimmon

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/text/0,1299,DRMN_38_26141,00.html

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Mail to:
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[intheflow]

145. Before you get too indignant...

1) the guy probably took off after the cop started harrassing the woman, and even the cop may not have gotten his name; and

2) at least they reported it! It must have been quite a scene for them to report it at all, especially for such a right-leaning paper.

Please don't write mean, biting LTTE's. It will only reinforce their misconceptions of everyone on the left as rabid nutjobs. Bring up the naming the woman but not the man, but maybe also praise them for reporting it at all? Use the power of positive reinforcement! :)

[paineinthearse]

157. Did I suggest biting?

The paper needs to be congratulated for covering this. We are fortunate a reporter was present.

[intheflow]

165. Sorry, I obviously misunderstood the tone of your post.

It's still a good reminder for all else who read the post though.

Glad to hear you're not one of those rabid LTTE writers.

Peace! :hippie:

[mitchum]

138. FUCK BUSH

[sakabatou]

140. There is a truck w/ 15 of those stickers

and not one complaint

[RockStar]

142. I bet the redneck who called the cops would have never said anything if

it was a big guy, black guy, or hard looking mexican guy. My wife has the same problem when she drives alone they yell at her, flip her off but when I DRIVE they don't say jack because I will get off the car and we will have a difference of opinion right there and then.

[bling bling]

143. People who say that this bumper sticker should be illegal

are the same type of people who would use legislation to ban EVERYTHING they don't agree with. They are un-American. If they don't like it, then LEAVE. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, either.

I read the comments on the Denver newspaper website. To those afraid of children seeing bad words -- get a grip. How insulting to berate children by thinking a bad word will corrupt them. If your child can't handle seeing the word "fuck" on a bumper sticker, then he/she is in for a very tragic life indeed.

[FuzzyDicePHL]

152. Children and profanity

Agree! Wouldn't it fall on the parents to talk to their children and have a dialogue about when something's appropriate (like this bumpersticker) and when it's not (like using "fuck" in school)? And hey! Maybe it'll even open up other topics like how it's okay for people to have different opinions and how nobody should hate someone just because they're not like themselves...

OR

They can just continue their pious, knee-jerk reactions and teach their children something's "bad" when they avoid talking about it, thereby teaching the kid that they should keep things to themselves and not tell Mommy or Daddy b/c they'll become upset at the kid but never explain why. Perhaps this will serve to distance the little conservative-spawn, and they'll grow up to think for themselves!

[frankly_fedup2]

179. Plus, until they are much, much older, they are suppose to be in

the back of the car, buckled in, even if they are in a booster seat. That is BS regarding kids. And if the kid is in a booster seat, he cannot even read yet.

May I just say as a person from the South(Virginia), and everywhere on discussion boards (just about but not attacked personally on DU) is blamed for putting Bush in office (even though I insist people look at that damn map county by county), I feel vindicated to some extent . . . vindicated by not at all joyful about this situation at all.

It just goes to show that there are redneck, ignorant, religious-right idiots all over this Country. It's not just the ignorant, backwoods, Church of Christ, Holy-Rroller racists below the Mason Dixon Line, of which I am only the latter due to geography.

These ignorant "Yahoos," unfortunately, are everywhere.

Also, I'm printing out a bunch of bumper stickers tonight and putting them on my car ASAP. I'm sure suddenly there will be state-by-state laws to protect us all from this atrocity (sarcasm)

[bejammin075]

153. It is a bit obscene...

to have "fuck" on a bumper sticker. That doesn't need to be in public. If the bumper sticker said "Bush stinks", it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. There needs to be some sort of line...what if the bumper sticker had a doctored photo of Bush fucking a person labeled "tax payer" in the ass? Would that be too much?

[ElectroPrincess]

155. Oh get real ... the F word is not the issue here ... your puritan slips

are showing, please go and change ... get with me after the "attitude check" about what's really important (1st Amendment to OUR Constitution).

[TX-RAT]

158. the F word is not the issue here ?

It's the only issue. Speaking only for TX, if you have a bumper sticker saying fuck anybody it's considered a violation of 42.01.
It's a profanity issue not a freedom of speech issue. Most likely you would get a warning, just like the individual in CO did. Now if you want to cuss and argue with the officer, you need to understand, you can be arrested.

[hobbit709]

163. just because

a law is still on the books, doesn't mean it is still enforced. If it was still enforced about 50% of the population in Tx would be locked up.
And not just in Austin, you should hear my wife's relatives in East Texas.

[TX-RAT]

167. Sorry, but it will continue to be enforced.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

154. WELL THEN...

BUCK FUSH!

[sarcasmo]

164. Here comes the police state. I would love to donate here at DU

but I am to fearful to get put on the watch list.

[grace0418]

166. What I found VERY telling was

this paragraph:

"The Supreme Court considered a case about 30-some years ago where a person was prosecuted for wearing a jacket that said, 'F--- the draft,' on the back. The Supreme Court said states could not prohibit people from wearing such a jacket," he said. "They said, 'One man's profanity is another man's lyric.' "

I wonder if the Supreme Court would say the same, 30 years later. Thanks to BushCo we're regressing into a right-wing nightmare hell.

[V Lee]

168. Free Speech? In America? NEVER!!!

Not under the Bush Regime!!!

[Zhade]

170. I was pulled over for an upside-down flag.

LAPD. Fortunately, the asian officer who spoke with me was very calm and almost apologetic. His white buzzcut partner in the cruiser, OTOH, looked like he wanted to gut me like a fish, his face was so angry.

[manly]

172. regarding the origin of the word "fuck"

After reading more than one hundred comments on this subject I have decided that I simply don't give a shit.

[Toucano]

173. The word "Bush" is profane.

It should be illegal to display it on any ballot...EVER!

[KansDem]

175. wanna bet...?

Reached late Monday, City Attorney Cole Finnegan said he didn't believe there were any city ordinances against displaying a profane bumper sticker.

With more and more of these appearing in public across the country, that cities will react by enacting "new" ordinances in order to curb the steady rise of Bush-bashing criticism?

[Megahurtz]

176. Seig Heil!

You must salute Der Fuhrer or the Gestapo will come and arrest you.
:+

[dweller]

177. in esperanto

fiki arbusto


that oughta cover it. :D
dp

[frankly_fedup2]

178. HUH? I hope she sues that old man for liable and gets a cash . . .

judgment as well as that ignorant cop (I'm sorry, but the justice system is really F____ up everywhere) needs to lose his job as an example of the complete and utter ignorance he showed of the law.

That is what gets me about cops . . . they get a little power (that's why most of them are so arrogant and assholes), and they cannot handle it. They are not educated (high school graduates can be county deputies . . . I know because I have two cousins that are cops . . . one is the arrogant, typical asshole; the other one treats most people pretty decent and I have to give him credit for that. Notice I say ALMOST every cop so don't take offense if your husband, brother, etc., is a cop and a good one, as there are some good ones still out there but they are few and far between.

Wonder why this didn't hit the national news? Anyone forward this to the networks yet? I'm going to. If we send enough, then maybe the national news will show how stupid these Bush supporters are?

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182. Suppose there was a week scheduled nationwide --

everyone who has an "opinion" puts on a **** **** bumper sticker om their vehicle.
Would burglars, robbers and arsonists have a field day because the cops are too busy harassing those who dare have the bumper sticker?