Iran rejects Mossad nuclear claim

[emad]

BBC


Iran has rejected a warning by Israel's Mossad intelligence agency that it could have a nuclear bomb within three years as "baseless".

Iran's foreign ministry insisted its nuclear regime was peaceful and accused Israel of misleading world opinion.

Meanwhile Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz said Israel could not accept a nuclear-armed Iran but played down the possibility of air strikes.

He said diplomatic action should be the priority for the US, the UN and Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4208809.stm

[GetTheRightVote]

1. I badly for Iran because they are the not to be set up by * & his posse

:kick:

[gandalf]

2. So Israel is the driving force behind the Iran discussion?

At least the Mossad warning keeps the discussion going and the pressure on a high level.

[emad]

3. I think Mossad is in a bit of trouble again. The recently gagged

UK legal advice on legitimacy for going to war (Lord Goldsmith) was propped up after massive worldwide lobbying from Poodle's "Middle East Envoy" Lord Levy. His Mossad connections are public knowledge and the subject of some debate by those who have claimed the WMD intelligence fiasco was the direct result of a sting operation to nail Mossad agents involved in Enron-related corruption.

The biggest winner in the Iraq war debacle would have been Ariel Sharon's vindicated personal outrage at Saddam's stockpile of the sort of ballistic and other materiel that Israel itself holds.

As for Mossad's black ops, Mark Thatcher was for many years deemed to be on the Mossad payroll as was Conrad Black.

Thatcher's spectacular banana skin demise in the Equatorial Guinea coup plot and Lord Black's indictment on multiple fraud and theft charges over his $400 million heist of Hollinger assets would seem to be poetic justice to some.

Just waiting to see how General Pinochet comes out of this one. Of particular interest are MI5 and MI6 archives in the UK that British journalists are petitioning to have opened under the recent Freedom of Information Act. They relate to documents from the cold war years when the KGB and Stasi ran Mossad and all the European terrorist operations attributed variously to IRA, Provisional IRA, Red Brigade,Red Hand Defenders, Hamas, PFLP, Bader Meinhof, Eta,Falun Gong, Carlos the Jackal et al.

All the trails point to the Stasi's Markus Wolf being an alias used by Andreas Gelli, cousin of P2 Lodge gangster Licio Gelli, currently in the dock awaiting the resumption of the adjourned Calvi murder trial.

The trail also leads to the Gellis many involvements in shielding and financing Nazi war criminals in South America, some of whom were given new official IDs and promoted into high office. The most interesting of these is "General Pinochet", who it it alleged, was murdered around the time of the Kennedy quarantine of Cuba in 1962, and replaced by one Antonio Gelli, a Spanish/Italian sex offender with an uncanny resemblance to old General P.

Of further interest are allegations that the Gelli family also includes other politicians of global note: that George Herbert Bush was also murdered after stepping on the Mafia's toes once too often (1964?) and replaced with Adreas Gelli's half brother Frank Gelli.

And that the current incumbent in the White House is another Gelli lookalike: John (Juan) Gelli, slotted in after Barbara Bush senior killed Junior in a drunken rage in 1967.

This trail alleges that John Gelli is married to a East European living in the UK called Danuta Gorski and they have a son aged 37, who has been actively involved with arms dealing to North Korean hit squads training Asian nationals whom the press has dubbed "Al Qaeda".


Marcus Wolf

George Bush Sr

General Pinochet

Shrub

[gandalf]

6. Hi emad,

that is much to think about.

Seems as though I should look a little bit closer at the Gelli family.

Can one conclude then that the recent mischief of Mark Thatcher was not just bad luck (or that kind of bad luck that happened to Robert Maxwell)?

Probably there is no real chance that any of this will be publicly accessible within the next five years?

[emad]

8. A lot of people looking closely at the Gellis since Licio was busted

for Roberto Calvi's murder last year and now faces capital charges along with Flavio Carbone.

City of London Police submitted a reported 70 boxes of previously unavailable evidence last April to the Rome prosecutors - evidence that had been in cold storage since July 1982. The trial was then adjourned so that both sides in the trial could have a chance of wading through all this cold war documentation on the $400million collapse of Banco Ambrosiano, it's chief executive Calvi, and the role of Cardinal Marcinkus, ex CEO of the Vatican slush fund that masqueraded as the Institute of Religious Works, who subsequently got immunity from prosecution from Poppy when he fled to the US. Bush Sr's rationale at the time was that all the evidence pointed to Calvi's suicide, so Marcinkus culd hardly be blamed.

I think Thatcher was caught in a sting operation to uncloak the trail of espionage that was undealt with since the convictions of CIA's Aldrich Ames and FBI's Bob Hanssen. Some commentators have suggested that the cold war KGB/Stasi "implants" left in the CIA and MI6 may have colluded with neo-cons and Bush Pioneers to hide the ammassed evidence that would have led to the successful prevention of 9/11. And that the same implants were involved in planting the fake WMD inteligence.

As for accessibility to all this: don't kow if the UK journos will get far in their attempt under the UK's recent Freedom of Information Act for access to the Gelli files held by the UK.

Best bet is that the frenzied bartering going on between UK politicians and Rome prosecutors in the alvi trial may become headline news and ring this out inot the open.

Let it not be forgotten that the heart of the Ambrosiano collapse and the Calvi murder took place in London. One interesting alegation that I have come across is that the Ambrosiano assets/liabilities portfolio held various morgages on Vatican-owned asets - including artworks, foreign property holdings and shares in industrials. And that when the bank collapsed, the gang that murdered Calvi stole the paperwork for this to hide the chain of command in the P2 Lodge that led to Marcinkus and his political masters, including the Gelli in the Stasi.

Also of note that the other mega bank collapse relating to the Cold War years - BCCI - also took place in London where it was headquartered. The roles of Robert Maxwell, James Bath and Richard McGarrach Helms may have been common to both criminal institutions.

This leaves HSBC's CEO Sir John Bond looking very exposed at the moment. Particularly if you consider Poodle's passioned plea to Parliament in 2002 that "there is NO Enron scandal in the UK" - a few weeks before his equally impassioned tirade in the Commons on the WMD intelligence that persuaded millions of gullible voters to give a tacit nod to the invasion of Iraq.

Et plus ca change....

[gandalf]

9. I'm always amazed...

by the wealth of information in your posts, information I can read nowhere else. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts, emad!

[emad]

10. When I get the OK I will publish all the press cuttings I have kept

for the last 35 years about this stuff - mainly from UK papers such as The Times/Sunday Times, Guardian etc which were not archived on to the internet in 1998-2000 following political decisions taken in the UK and US to protect the careers of cold war felons worming their way into high public office.

Currently my files relating to banking frauds at BCCI and Ambrosiano are with plaintiffs' lawyers in a major UK class action - part of a huge bundle relating to misfeasance.

I hope to get them scanned and will put them on the internet when they are no longer clamped by restirctions affecting all those in this action.

Some copyright issues remain but I hope to be able to deal with those.

[gandalf]

11. I'm looking forward to your coming web site

Just started reading the Beaty/Gwynne book on BCCI. It's written like a novel, they could have condensed the stuff a little bit more... But so I can read it like a novel in bed in the evening.

[emad]

12. Hope it doesn't give you nightmares Gandalf...or indigestion!

Some of these tomes turn my guts inside out.

[lala_rawraw]

13. No...

Isreal tried to warn us of 9/11 the good side of Mas. The bad side of Mas. was keeping them quiet... just like CIA vs. CIA.

I think, again, there needs to be a setup watch tracking all of this.

[emad]

14. Mossad operatives were reported to be videoing the WTC just

before the planes struck on 911.

This has been much discussed in DU.

[NNN0LHI]

4. Iran rejects Israeli nuke accusations

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5493618

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has rejected as baseless and misleading comments by senior Israeli officials this week who said Tehran's quest for nuclear weapons was near "the point of no return".

Iran, which refuses to recognise Israel's right to exist, insists its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful and accuses Israel of being the only state with nuclear weapons in the Middle East.

"The unfounded claims of Israeli officials were made to divert world attention from Israel's organised terror activities and efforts to further strengthen its nuclear power," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said in a statement.

Asefi said that, unlike Iran, Israel has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or placed its nuclear plants under the supervision of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

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[methinks2]

7. No one takes Israel seriously except maybe the US

The whole world knows that Israel has multiple nuke facilities, plus various biological warfare type facilities (not to mention that they are foremost in the world with medical mj research) . For Israel to make that accusation is definitely the pot calling the kettle black!

[Jim Sagle]

15. Israel needs nukes to survive. Iran doesn't. End of story.