Deadliest day for U.S. in Iraq war

[tuvor]

31 Marines killed in chopper crash; 5 troops in other incidents

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Thirty-one Marines were killed in a helicopter crash near Iraq's border with Jordan, bringing the number of U.S. troops killed Wednesday to 36 -- the deadliest day for U.S. forces since the start of the war in Iraq.

Four U.S. Marines were killed during combat in Iraq's Al-Anbar province, and a U.S. soldier died when insurgents attacked a combat patrol north of Baghdad, according to the U.S. military.

The cause of the chopper crash was not immediately known and is being investigated, according to the military.

Wednesday's death toll surpassed the 31 U.S. forces killed on March 23, 2003 -- four days after the start of the war in Iraq. Twenty-nine of them died in combat that day.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/26/iraq.main/index.html

[Botany]

1. And for what?

..... Some crazy PNAC / neo con / big oil/ crazy idea.
bush is scum

[lebkuchen]

28. And for what is right

for nothing. They died for nothing.

[Bigmack]

37. Short post, but profound...

The "warniks" have never been able to see that sending more kids to die in a hopeless war will never make the loss of earlier lives somehow less of a waste.

This country wasted 58,000 of our people in Vietnam, (perhaps a million Vietnamese) and the dumbshits still don't see it. I say dumbshits because any sentient being would see that this is a loser of a war.

[lebkuchen]

43. Ray Taliafero had a guy on the other day....

who felt the Civil War was "worth it."

How can anybody believe that 640,000 dead Americans, more than all dead in previous wars, not to mention countless wounded, is "worth it?"

What is it with America's love affair with war? Is US culture so lacking that it can't come up with hundreds of conflict resolution alternatives to killing off over half a million of their own blood? If they feel that way about each other, people across the border stand no chance.

[girl gone mad]

86. As long as people continue to believe..

in a gauranteed afterlife, our leaders will continue to get away with devaluing and discarding earthly life.

[lebkuchen]

90. Interesting point

However, any fundie who is so unhappy with the here, and can't wait to be raptured, should get in the one way express lane and stay out of everyone else's sphere of influence.

[Emboldened Chimp]

56. There's a good meme: Bush is scum

I was thinking the same thing on the way into work this morning.

[Cocoa]

2. media bias

why doesn't the liberal media ever write about the good days in Iraq? /sarcasm

[Theres-a]

3. you forgot sarcasm off

[progressiveBadger]

4. "cause of chopper crash"

Maybe it was all the SAMs stolen from that ammo depot that the media forgot about before the election?

[yellowcanine]

9. No doubt these will be listed as "non-combat" deaths. Whether or not

it truly was an "accident".

[gulfcoastliberal]

21. I heard on Faux this morning that 33 choppers lost so far, 20 shot down

A brief moment of truth, perhaps?

[cliss]

36. I read that shortly after the start of the war,

an Iraq farmer had an old Kalashnikov. He aimed, pointed it at a Black Hawk helicopter which was flying above, and he took it down. I don't know if there's any truth to the story, but if it is, we're really vulnerable.

[MHalblaub]

38. Source of Faux is probably the Brookings Institute. NT

[girl gone mad]

87. We may never know the truth, but it doesn't matter.

The insurgents will take credit either way, and it will only serve to boost their morale heading into the elections.

This is really heartbreaking news..

[jswordy]

15. I'm still waiitng for the definitive cause, too...

...since it won't come out til after the investigation. We've had other choppers shot down that were initially ruled crashes, then later found to be TOW shoulder-fired missiles.

Uh, guess WHO sold those to Saddam? Ironic, eh?

[teakee]

71. The news I listened to said 'bad weather' caused the crash

according to the military. Although, there was fighting in that area.

God bless the families of these Marines.

[calimary]

82. And they have yet to remember it. See or hear anybody still making

a fuss about THAT issue, or trying to keep it in the public eye? Or have we just moved the nut around under a few additional shells?

Fuck.

A disgrace and a tragedy. All those new deaths. And yes, they've died for NOTHING. I wonder how rove or jim baker or some of those smooth talkers is going to talk his/her way around this with St. Peter when the time comes. Will there be a "spin zone" at the Pearly Gates?

[Bush on crack]

5. prayers

Lord we pray for these soldiers and ask for this war to end. We ask you to lift these families up, only you can comfort them and reach them. We thank you, amen!

[deutsey]

6. But the Lord told Bush there would be no casualties

Either Bush's Lord is one helluva prankster God, or Bush needs to get a better line of communication with the Big Guy.

[tuvor]

13. Well, the war was supposed to cost only $3 billion, too. n/t

[deutsey]

16. GASP! Thoughtcriminal!

Doubleplusungood! That information has been sucked down the memory hole!

The war was always going to cost $200 billion!

[fryguy]

22. it is fast approaching $300 billion

and the budget that will be sent to congress will, once again, not include any request for military operations. that way, our oaf-in-chief can tout around a lower budget, go for the jugular with more tax cuts, and come back to congress a few months later for more money -- someone tell chimpy the budget isn't his own personal credit card!

[deutsey]

24. Another thoughtcriminal!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

46. That shot CREEPS ME UP TO NO END

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[uncle ray]

26. the war always costed 300 billion

just like the previous poster said, you, you, you, you thought criminal!

[Willy Lee]

27. We are at war with Iraq. We have always been at war with Iraq.

We are at war with Iran. We haev always been at war with Iran.

Just a metter of time.

[Worst Username Ever]

40. Pardon me, enough of your thought crime during my three-minute hate.

[ixion]

7. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Just thought I'd remind the MSM that Commander Codpiece declared an end to major operations well over a year ago.

[fryguy]

20. i suppose....

......in chicken-shit-in-chief's mind 36 dead american's doesn't amount to "major operations"

:argh:

[teakee]

73. And while Bush rode his little plane on that aircraft carrier......

foreign terrorists were flooding the borders and insurgents were rising up, planning, looting unguarded weapon depots, and laughing their arses off.

Yeah, some MISSION ACCOMPLISHED like Cheney's "brilliant" war. And Rumsfeld's "you go to war with what you have" should be "you went to war with what I sent, because I needed the money for my 'vision'"........ :grr:

[H2O Man]

8. An American Prayer.

"Do you know we are being led to
slaughters by placid admirals
& that fat generals are getting
obscene on young blood"

-James Morrison

[yorkiemommie1]

10. i'm sure rummy will be irritated

at having to sign all of those condolence letters. these soldiers are nothing more than pawns to bushco.

this is horrible horrible horrible. all these deaths, all this misery and sorrow for a LIE!

[KansDem]

88. Yeah, fire up the ol' AutoPen and put the number of copies on "36"

[Dhalgren]

11. I think a good "ribbon" or sticker to counter the

neo-Nazi "support the troops" ribbon would be - "NOT ONE MORE US SOLDIER! NOT ONE!"

[Neverarepublican]

12. Bush is an

ASSHOLE !

[fryguy]

25. well said - n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

14. I was watching Brownbeck on Cspan

He thought that all of this was going according to plan. B*sh and his cronies knew there would be more hostilities leading up to the "election". Nothing to see here, Mission Accomplished.

[David__77]

17. Some people will never learn.

Some are taught lessons written in blood. I wish that it were an easy task to convince people that this is an unjust cause.

[fryguy]

18. "light at the end of the tunnel"??

and yet they're still denying that this is a quagmire - what are the bushies smoking?

[TacticalPeek]

19. And I believe this is the bloodiest day for the Corps since Khobar Towers.

:(

[AlCzervik]

23. Oh jesus, this whole thing is like a nightmare

it started in 2000 and it feels like it's never going to end.

[Mari333]

29. 8 years of hell. 8 long years of Hell...n/t

[Rainscents]

30. Sad day in Iraq today

31 - Marines Killed in chopper crash; and 5 - troops in other incidents total of 36 killed today.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/26/iraq.main/index.html

[ixion]

31. just as sad as it is everyday for the Iraqis living under occupation

death is death no matter what country you are from. :-(

[benburch]

32. Today isn't over.

I think it has a couple hours to run there.

[GetTheRightVote]

33. Everyday is a sad day in Iraq when a soldier dies

:kick:

[Walt Starr]

34. Subject line and article title do not match

plus this is a duplicate.

[tuvor]

39. Just following LBN rules.

That's the way I found it on CNN's site.

[justinsb]

35. No sadder than any other day

36 Civilians being killed in a day isn't even unusual in Iraq now. I feel no more remorse for American dead than Iraqi dead, but the most tragic is when innocent civilians are killed.

[stanwyck]

48. My son is a Marine

going back to Iraq next week. And I agree with you. All deaths diminish us. American deaths. Iraqi deaths. When will we be far enough along the path to understand that all deaths count? Yet too many American people refuse to even recognize that Iraqi civilians are dying. We have no numbers on their deaths. As if that number is meaningless. They're invisible. I've had two "religious" co-workers tell me that is "just doesn't matter" how many Iraqis die.
I feel as though we're doomed.
How did we become this type of country?

[Theres-a]

70. And it's still early

[Renew Deal]

41. What the fuck?????????

What the fuck happened here? Damn it!!!!!

[DS1]

42. Why are you bothering my beautiful mind with this tripe?

Let them eat sand!



*sigh*

[LiberalVoice]

44. 31 deaths is nothing...

More Iraqi's die every day then that...EVERY DAY! Just because they're americans doesn't make it anymore sad. Our soldiers over there are the lucky ones. The real victims are the Iraqi people.

[Renew Deal]

45. Sorry, it does make it more sad.

Maybe not for you. What has happened to the Iraqi's is also tragic, but it hurts when your friends, neighbors, family are the one's to go. There is still a seperation between us and them, no matter how criminal this war is.

[thebigidea]

47. yeah, gawd forbid we look at each human life as equal

1 American = 4 Brits = 6 Canadians = 40 Iraqis

[Renew Deal]

50. That's not the point.

It has nothing to do with the value of every human life. BTW, are you pro-choice?

[thebigidea]

75. oh, fantastic retort. So how much sadness is appropriate...

... when an Iraqi dies?

Oh, I'd love to get into an argument about abortion, but I'd prefer to discuss a flat tax if we're doing non sequitors. Failing that, or you for or against memorials to Don Knotts?

[psychopomp]

49. Sorry, speak for yourself

I do not feel the separation that you do; wtf does a border mean, anyway? I knew before this war that the Iraqi people would be the ones to catch hell. Our men and women in uniform, they get more than their share of hell as well, but they can go home to their families and friends who remain in peace.

[Renew Deal]

53. I have not felt the same about tragedies in Iraq

as I did about 9/11 and I live in NY and watched the collapse from my windows. There has not been nearly as much emotion. Think of it this way. How would you feel if an airplane full of your friends and/or neighbors crashed? Would that equal anything you have felt about anything in Iraq? Try to answer that honestly.

[LiberalVoice]

58. Honestly...

There is no comparison between 9/11 and the war in Iraq. 9/11 was carried out by terrorists in retaliation for the US's involvment in the middle east.

Iraq never attemtped nor threatened to attack this country. I don't care what you say...9/11 is not worse then the war in Iraq. There are probably more dead children buried in the last 2 years in Iraq as a result of our occupation then people killed on 9/11.

So because the people that died were killed within these invisible lines it makes it worse right? Honestly?

[Renew Deal]

62. You're mixing up the argument

But were really arguing over emotion which is dumb. What we have done to the Iraqi's is probably worse that 9/11 as far as terrorizing a nation. There are over 10 times more dead in Iraq than 9/11. I was trying to make a different point which is it's emotionally worse when your countrymen suffer. There is no way to quantify emotion or ridicule how people feel about crimes like this one.

I want to be clear. The Iraq war is as much of a crime as 9/11. It is unjustified, illegal and morally wrong.

[LiberalVoice]

68. Not for me it isn't...

Countrymen or not. It is no less sad for me when children are murdered regardless of on which side of an invisible line they stand.

[chuckrocks]

51. i want to know about the "seperation"

because they talk funny? eat weird food? beat their kids? what?

[Renew Deal]

55. Because

They aren't our friends and family. How would you feel if your best friend died. Does that equal how you have felt about each individual tragedy in Iraq? I dare you to answer that honestly.

[LiberalVoice]

60. Stop pretending like every marine that dies...

is a friend, neighbor, or family member of yours.

[Renew Deal]

63. I'm not

[LiberalVoice]

65. Well it certainly seems so...

if you say that americans dying is more sad for you then Iraqi's.

[Renew Deal]

66. It shouldn't

Read my post above. It should clear it up.

[chuckrocks]

69. its played out, but think globally

imagine if they were thought of as friends before this, instead of colateral loss? at work we are watching a kid (24) who lost his friend recently. he likes to drink himself to sleep lately. sorry if you've lost someone. it is wrenching to watch it affect people you know. BUT the heavy anger goes to * for killing friends. the heavy grief is for all the bloodshed.

[LiberalVoice]

52. Maybe thats the problem...

The only difference between us and them is who is fighting a more just war. Thats the only thing.

[Renew Deal]

54. The difference between us and them

is that all of them are fighting a war and most of us are not. We aren't having our homes blown up everyday.

[LiberalVoice]

59. Oh I see...

So they have just as much right to be fighting our soldiers as we do theirs correct?

[Renew Deal]

64. Correct

Edit: It depends on the cotext you are putting that in. At this point that is correct, but it's not our soldiers fault.

[LiberalVoice]

67. The context...

Is that our soldiers have no fucking right to be there...The Iraqi people are the ones fighting tyranny not the other way around. Americans have no fucking right to be murdering children in a soverign nation.

[shantipriya]

57. I am really saddened

When will the American public wake up and demand that this madness be stopped immediately. Why are we sacrificing so many young men and women?Nothing that Saddam did or did not do justifies this waste of preciuos young lives!!

[egoprofit]

61. i agree. are we no longer in control???

seriously, this is unreal. bush is the anti-christ for all i'm concerned. i cannot believe this is america.

[jmcgowanjm]

91. America will wake up when the DJIA tanks

and they have trouble filling their tanks.

But by then the Megalomaniacs will have
created a bigger fiasco
and the US will be on a fulltime rationed everyone
is in the military footing.

Reichstag Burned   2/27/1933    Germany's principal
government building, the Reichstag, is severely damaged by
fire. Communists are blamed, and arrested.
 
Austrian parliament dissolved   3/4/1933    Chancellor
Dollfuss dissolves the Austrian parliament.
 
Nazis win 44% of vote   3/5/1933    In German
parliamentary elections, the Nazi (National Socialist
German Workers) Party wins 44% of the vote. It joins
with Nationalist Party to gain a majority in the Reichstag.
 
First Concentration Camp Opens   3/12/1933   
First concentration camp opened at Oranienburg outside
Berlin.
 
Flag of German Republic replaced   3/12/1933   
Hindenburg drops the flag of the German Republic and
orders that the swastika and empire banner be flown side
by side in its place.
 
Hitler Gets Dictator Power   3/23/1933    The German
Reichstag adopts the Enabling Act. It effectively gives
dictator authority to Adolf Hitler as it empowers him to rule
by decree.
 
Nazis Boycott Jewish Shops   4/1/1933    Nazi boycott of
Jewish owned shops begins.
 
Nazis Burn Books   5/10/1933    Nazis conduct a very large
public book burning at the Opernplatz in Berlin. An
estimated 40,000 people took part or watched. Among
the authors targeted in these book burnings were Marx,
Brecht, Freud, Hemingway, Bloch, Heinrich Mann, and
Erich Maria Remarque (All Quiet on the Western
Front)
 
Concentration Camp at Dachau Opens

http://www.decades.com/Timeline/n/250_2686.htm

[RetroLounge]

72. Mission Accomplished

Bring 'em on.

:sigh:

RL

[ultraist]

74. More deaths in Dec than in Nov, more deaths in Jan than Dec...

Sound familiar? BAD idea to FORCE Democracy and FORCE elections on a country.

I hope everyone here attends the next big anti-war rally. Several orgs are planning anti-war protests for MARCH 19.
http://www.answerla.org/
http://www.mfso.org/

[superconnected]

76. very sad

I certianly hope the parents of those soldiers who are bush supporters feel especially good about it as their son died for their idea of keeping america free...congratulations!

For the ones that aren't bush supporters, or suddenly leave bush over this, I don't think any form of condolence other than stopping the war and ousting bush, will be enough. Even then, the pain will still be there.


ps I'm tempted to go to freeperville and congratulate them myself. If only they could all be "war-heros".

[PROUDNWLIBERAL]

77. Who's Side

Maybe God is not on Bushs' side. RIP. So much agony for the families and what for!

[Solly Mack]

78. How many "deadliest days in Iraq" have we had now?

and it comes growing and growing and growing...

[0007]

80. Laura should tell junior

"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people for a purpose which is unattainable."
U.S. historian Howard Zinn, 1993

[Solly Mack]

81. He wouldn't understand

even if she did.

[donheld]

79. I'd bet if you ask *

he'd say everything is going just grand. :grr::grr:

[NickB79]

83. 1418 US troops dead so far

And the numbers keep rising.....

[superconnected]

84. my fundi boss believes this headline - which is all over the news

is the liberal media trying to destroy America because they hate America.

Apparently it's dividing Americans from supporting the war.

He hates the liberal media and suggests I read the Drudge Report.

ummm, can't do that...

[superconnected]

85. anyway, enjoy the bad news, it's ticking off the fundies.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

89. A hearty round of applause for Mr. George Bush

Congratulations! They're now officially bringing it on!

Way to go, Ace!

:toast: