FBI Special Agent: Some Trained 'Jihadists' Are In Oregon

[Judi Lynn]

FBI Special Agent: Some Trained 'Jihadists' Are In Oregon

POSTED: 8:27 am PST January 26, 2005

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The FBI knows of "jihadists" who have trained in terrorist camps in Afghanistan and are now living in Oregon although there is no "imminent threat," the agency's Oregon chief said on Tuesday.

Robert Jordan's comments come as the city of Portland considers whether to remove its officers from a joint terrorism task force with the FBI. Some members of the Portland City Council want greater civilian oversight of the task force.
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"But I will say this: We have people here in Oregon that have trained in jihadist camps in bad areas. In the bad neighborhoods of the world," Jordan added.

He said the FBI knows "they've trained overseas, taken oaths to kill Americans and engage in jihad," but the challenge is "to prove those things."
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http://www.kirotv.com/news/4131493/detail.html


Help! Run for your life! Jihadists!

[ThorsHammer]

1. These sleeper cells scare the sh*t out of me

Shows like 24, where people are assimilated into society only to be part a terrorist movement, don't help things either.

[Ms. Clio]

3. The sleeper cell propaganda is intended to scare you

It's mostly bullshit, though.

[ThorsHammer]

10. True, but the small part that isn't is the trouble

I know that most Muslims/Arabs/Middle Easterners/whoever the propaganda targets are peaceful, normal Americans, but it only takes a few out of millions to cause serious trouble. To me, the scariest part is that the bad ones are assimilated and blend right in with everyone else.

[Ms. Clio]

11. What's even scarier are the bad ones like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld

They are the real bad ones who are assimilated and blend right in.





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[ThorsHammer]

12. Good point, and their wars affect many more people (nt)

[VegasWolf]

31. That makeup to cover the green alien scales works pretty well!n/t

[ozone_man]

44. Or equally scary

are the huge proportion of Americans asleep in the matrix, while these neocons steal the country.

[yinkaafrica]

22. This story is 100% bullshit

Think about it.

[barb162]

18. I am thinking the same way. Look at 9/11, Bali, Madrid....

[barbaraann]

26. You need to watch "The Power of Nightmares"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104powerofnightmares.htm

[Califooyah Operative]

57. After 9/11 there were supposadly hundreds of sleeper cells in the us...

we haven't uncovered one.

[moobu2]

2. They need to name names or STFU!

[Straight Shooter]

4. Excuse me, I thought they had gotten that infamous "Portland seven"

I don't have time to tell the real story, but it's out there, being told on the Net by those who are familiar with the players. Let's just say that the war on terrorism needs its notches in the bush administration belt, and powerless individuals are just right for playing the patsy. Without legal redress, with indefinite detention, how are we to learn the truth as these people languish in Gitmo or some other federal prison.

Remember that these people being arrested are people of color, and are often sent to prisons which are run on the inside by Aryan nation gangs.

[sniffa]

5. just Like the chinese dirty bombers?

[dqueue]

6. earlier arrests

October 2002
(CBS) Authorities have arrested three people in Portland, Ore., and another in Michigan on terrorism-related charges, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday.

A regional joint terrorism task force coordinated a series of arrests in the two states, Ashcroft said at a Justice Department news conference.

Two other fugitives outside the U.S. were also charged in an indictment returned in Oregon by a federal grand jury.

May 2004
ALOHA, Ore. — A lawyer and former Army officer who converted to Islam was arrested as a material witness in the deadly train bombings in Spain, federal authorities said.

Brandon Mayfield was taken into custody Thursday by FBI agents, who also searched his home in the Portland suburb of Aloha.

[Ms. Clio]

8. There have been many arrests

and detentions without trial.

Where are the convictions?

[notadmblnd]

13. the one in Detroit was dismissed

the justice department wouldn't co-operate.

[Ms. Clio]

16. Thanks, I thought so, now I don't have to google it n/t

[MissB]

15. And if you look at the second one (Brandon Mayfield)

You'll see that the fed fucked up big time. The FBI identified Mayfield as a suspect in the bombing through fingerprints which turned out not to be his. In the process, they pretty much ruined his life. He spent several months in jail (iirc) and then was released without an apology.

[Ms. Clio]

17. Yep, I knew there was more to the story

With these evil bastards, there always is.

[Streetdoc270]

7. So is this as reliable as the Chinese terrorists in Chicago?

Or the attack during election day?
bombing Malls at Christmas?
Lasers blinding pilots?
or any of the other list of 'keep 'em scared' comments we keep hearing?

[donkeyotay]

38. Citizen! You're not thinking are you? You're not thinking

you've spotted a trend?

I like the part about how they "know" they're terrists, but they can't prove it. Yeah? Then how to they know? Is this one of those unknowable knowns or a knowable unknown?

[hilster]

9. NOW they pull Oregon into the picture

blah blah, nothing's happening in Oregon. Nothing ever happens there. Except of course that day when Bush and Kerry both came to speak in Portland and Kerry's speech was public and Bush's was invitation only...

I don't believe it for a second.

[DBoon]

32. They want to federalize local police

They are using anti-terrorism as a Trojan horse to get more federal control over local police, and remove local oversight.

Portland had the chutzpah to question this.

The story is FUD intended to discredit Portland's efforts to maintain control over local cops.

Just my paranoid theory, but once you start requiring federal security clearances for cops, you make it that much harder for elected officials and ordinary citizens to oversee what the cops are doing.

[sweetheart]

61. Yes, its a trojan horse for the war on drugs

Oregon is on the frontline in medicinal marijuana and the federal
brownshirts will spare no resources to attack the shift in oregon
towards making cannabis decriminalized and available to those who
wish to take it or grow it... no big deal... but the feds see this
as the frontline in a "liberal erosion" of their immoral war of hatred
against poor and disenfranchised people.

Keep them out, and they can wash their terrorist crap laundry in some
other rogue river. What the heck is a terrorist cell gonna do in
oregon anyways.... i'm sure canada is deeply concerned about all
those terrorist cells in moosejaw and regina as well... geesh!

[depakid]

63. mispost- sorry n/t

[bemildred]

14. And some trained bullshitters are in the FBI.

Do you know where your local FBI stooge is?

[leQ]

19. "bad neighborhoods of the world".... gee....

sounds like a mci spokesman explaining why service is bad.

[TomClash]

20. At least one "jihadist" also resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

[NYC Liberal]

52. No, no. He's a Crusader.

He said so himself:

'This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient. I'm going to be patient.'

[TomClash]

60. Jihadist, Crusader - is it really all that different?

[Old and In the Way]

21. So, how'd they get into the country in the 1st place?

Looks like more failure from this administration's WOT.

[keopeli]

23. KOOL-AID WARNING!!!

Remember, propoganda is not ONLY about lying, as in this case. I believe there are sleeper cells scattered around the US, and Oregon is not a bad spot to keep one.

What's more interesting is the timing of this news. Has the FBI 'just learned" of this? No. So, it's old news being released to drum up fear because....
because...
anyone want to hazard a guess?
anything happening soon that needs our attention distracted?

Come on. This is too easy. Surely Goebels was MUCH better at this stuff.

[cthrumatrix]

25. MSM media's job is to spread the "lies and fear" ....per WH orders

[annabanana]

36. hard to pick one

the bloodbath leading up to the 'election' in Iraq?

[Oreegone]

24. They just don't like us

Probably trying to ruin our tourist trade since we are a blue state and have the only right to die law in America....they are just making us pay MORE....like deploying so many of our troops and National Guardsman to Iraq. Fascist Bastards.

They are so full of shit I can smell them from here.

Oh by the way were you aware that one of the Chinese purportedly in the tuurruur
plot was already in jail? That the guy that made the call, was a human trafficker who didn't get paid and was pissed, understand he is in custody in Mexico.

[Judi Lynn]

27. Now THAT'S interesting. Hadn't heard about it. Thanks! n/t

[chartresbleu]

28. Boston, Portland: blue cities sure seem to attract terraists.

in the last couple of weeks two of the cities that voted most heavily against bush are being warned of terrorists. if i were a bit more on the paranoid side i might think that there is some kind of program in place to try to scare left leaning commmunities into submission and obediance to fearless leader. but i'm sure president dumbass would never do anything like that........

[maveric]

29. As you willl see they will only find them in Blue States.

Oregon, Michican, CA, Minnesota, MA, NY.....

[uppityperson]

30. Timothy McVeigh was a white boy

USA has its share homegrown terrorists. Is protection from "jihadists" different than protection from home boys?

[neverforget]

33. oh God! I live in Portland! I better go shopping so the terrorists

don't win! :eyes: :puke:

[TheWraith]

34. To be blunt

If the FBI told me that the sky was blue, I would double-check. Their record lately has been divided between blatant manipulation of the most apalling kind--which this looks like--and massive incompetence on the order of being unable to tell their collective ass from a hole in the ground.

[Carl Brennan]

35. Competing with CIA recruits?

http://propagandamatrix.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html
Here is an excellent analysis of 911, with evidence showing that the "hijackers" were, in fact, CIA recruits, and 911 was a covert operation. This piece puts it all together...very scary!


Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases
The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI

By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry
NEWSWEEK


Sept. 15 — U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s


"15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, mostly from wealthy families. In
fact, most of the hijackers are typical of the wealthy, high-rolling,
hedonistic Saudis who turn up over and over again in covert operations
sponsored by the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr.
and Jr. These scandals include Iran-Contra, the Savings and Loan
Scandal (by far the most massive financial rip-off in history), the
massive money-laundering that led to the collapse of BCCI, a Pakistani
bank with strong ties to the CIA, and, more recently, the Enron
scandal. The connection to U.S. intelligence is more than speculative;
several of the hijackers had training at secure military installations
in the U.S.<2> The locations where the hijackers received training
include:

- The Pensacola Naval Air Station
- Lackland Air Force Base
- Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama
- Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama
- The Defense Language Institute in Monterey

[stevedeshazer]

37. The Department of inJustice hates Oregon

They've been trying to make this story fly here for almost three years. Every reasonable Oregon resident knows it is all bullshit.

Why would they come here? There are NO military targets in Oregon. NO operating nuclear plants. NO military infrastructure. There's the chemical weapons depot near Boardman, out in the middle of nowhere, and that's it.

They tried with the Portland Seven: http://www.ospolitics.org/usa/archives/2003/10/24/the_portla.php

They tried with Brandon Mayfield: http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/0/9090373de4fa9c7d85256f3300551e42?OpenDocument

They tried with the Death With Dignity act: http://www.deathwithdignity.org/fss/news/elipdxtrib.asp

They tried with medical marijuana: http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/210/deaoregon.shtml

I wish the DOJ would just leave us the fuck alone. They hate us because we are a blue state...I am absolutely convinced. Why aren't there terrorists in Idaho?

[roguevalley]

39. My aunt lives in Bly, a town that can fit in your living room and they

tried to say an Al Qaeda training camp was down the road from her ranch. They are STILL laughing in Bly. They think the FBI is delusional.

[stevedeshazer]

41. Wow, I've been there

I followed that story. Bly isn't exactly a hotbed of terrorism, LOL.

[deacon2]

51. Can it be that they hate you

for your freedom? To quote a certain meglamoniacal, lying, blowhard president of these United States. More subterfuge as stated above. We're about to have a "king hell" (thank you, Hunter S.) style fuckathon in Iraq and they want us following the shadow puppets in Oregon. "Dear God, Bertha. Hide the kids!"

[CoffeeCat]

40. Does anyone think that there's a correlation between...

...Bush's poor polls and the recent fear mongering?

Whenever Bush gets in trouble, we seem to get reminders that we need him and only his tough talk and unwavering vision can save our poor souls.

[justiceischeap]

42. Of course there's a correlation

Whether it's his numbers slipping, the truth about the war getting out or any other negative news that starts to see the light of day, we get "warnings."

I personally find it hard to believe the FBI would announce the presence of "jihadists" in Oregan. I'd imagine if they were really there, they'd be arrested. Hell, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft had how many Arab-Americans arrested who weren't terrorists and some of them are still rotting away somewhere.

My bullshit meter is going off.

[superconnected]

46. bingo :)

[depakid]

43. What a joke

Like the last keystone cops terrorist wannabes, if even that.

The FBI has ZERO credibility in Portland after last year's fiasco where they jailed an Aloha man, reportedly over the bombings in Spain- against the advice of the Spanish authorities, based on a supposed fingerprint that turned out to be bogus.

No thank you- Portland IS NOT intersted in your bullshit taskforce unless there is some accountability. The Council has the votes... so either play by our rules, or don't expect any help from our city.

[stevedeshazer]

55. Amen to that

People here just don't buy the shit the FBI is peddling.

We have many reasons, as many long-time Oregonians know.

-Brandon Mayfield
-the Portland Seven
-spying on (legal) medical marijuana patients
-threatening physicians over the Death With Dignity Act (voted for TWICE)

[depakid]

64. Well, it looks like we have someone with integrity

in the Mayor's office now.

For the first time in a long time, I'm inclined to trust a public official's judgment- knowing that he'll consider all of the facts from many angles -and that's all we can ask-

So far, I'm pretty damned impressed with Mayor Potter.

[libpunkmom]

66. Potter was at the Protest

last Thursday (as a protester) , and he is joining Critical Mass. Great guy. His grandson is in my son's class.. I have liked him since in marched in a Pride parade with his daughter many years ago when he was still chief of police.. Very nice man!!

[superconnected]

45. and since there are terrorist in Oregon, bush needs 80 BILLION more

for iraq, and another 100 Billion for america, and btw, He's got this Revised Patriot Act II.1 that he would like all worried americans to sign so he can protect us from these Terrorists among us.

It's not a big deal - patriot act II.1, it just gives the rights to the gov to fully search your home and hold you without trial if there's been a citizen linked to terrorism in your state.

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Hello people, fear tactics, this is how bush got in power

[Tinoire]

47. Lol. And I'll bet they all trained in Iran

Not to worry Bush. The next terror on our soil, we know who's really behind it.

This is such bull. These jihadists are in training but lol, who's really training them is the question that needs to be asked.

[superconnected]

48. now lets all look suspiciously at the Muslims among us

it's getting time to round them up.

Who knows which ones are trained in jihad.

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has it been a week since he got back in office yet, cause it doesn't seem like one and we're already getting the nazi propaganda

[hector459]

49. If the "know" they can prove it.

Otherwise, they don't really "know" anything.

[Gyre]

50. Bull Fucking Shit!!!!

How many times is the media going to swallow a government-sourced fear-engendering fabrication whole, while never asking any questions?

Qualifying the accuracy of the assertion should be a prequalifying condition of publication. Reproducing libel is libelous in itself.

Gyre

[stillcool]

53. I was getting kind of nervous....

before this warning came out. Thank God, things are getting back to normal! Nothing like a terra alert to start your day! On the local news tonite I over-heard something about a warning to the police depts on what the bad guys look like. It turns out they look like us.

[conflictgirl]

54. Yeah, right, the Boston terrorists are on the move now.

:eyes:

[BlueManDude]

56. yes - they are working in local GOP offices all over the USA

GOP = American Taliban.

[BadGimp]

58. This is the warm up to Iran

jsut wait...soo we will learn Iranian agents are in the country..

WASS

[Generator]

59. Sorry I've got to go

The doorbell. Must be the Jihadists calling. Damn...and I thought we were fighting them in Iraq so we didn't have to in Portland.

I guess I'm a housewife on the front lines!:wow:

[mahina]

62. How come this shit never shows up in Georgia or Alabama or

Louisiana or Dakota or Oklahoma? Why would it be Boston and Oregon?
Geee......

[infusionman]

65. I've got some news for you...

We've got trained killersd in countries all over the world. I'm not talking about our troops, I'm ralking about FBI, CIA, etc.

[Mystified]

67. What to think here?

I'm sure we all remember the post-9/11 stories about the FBI agent who reported the hijackers training at flight schools in Arizona. He raised an alert but was ignored by his superiors who thought he was overreacting or that his claims were baseless. On the other hand, this sounds conspicuously like fear-mongering. Who knows what the truth is anymore?

[krag]

68. A Jihadist Under Every Bed!

Sleeper cells! Jihadists! Trust no one!

TRUST NO ONE!!!!!