Amendment to Allow Schwarzenegger to Run for President Gains Momentum

[kuozzman]

http://www.news10.net/storyfull1.asp?id=9090
(Complete article below)
The group promoting a constitutional amendment to allow foreign-born citizens such as Arnold Schwarzenegger run for president has opened a new office in Menlo Park.

The group called Amend for Arnold began its movement last fall as Schwarzenegger finished his first year as California's governor. They say interest is growing. "We've got volunteers from all 50 states at this point, which astonishes me because the only advertising we've done is in California," said organizer Lissa Morgenthaler-Jones.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, introduced his "Equal Opportunity to Govern" bill in July 2003, but it has not gained much traction. The Bay Area group was organized to promote the bill. The legislation needs to be ratified by two-thirds of the Senate and two-thirds of the House of Representatives. Then three-fourths, or 38, states would have to ratify it.

The organization plans to hold a series of meetings around the state over the next year. Organizers hope to have a constitutional amendment in place by 2010 to allow Schwarzenegger to run for president in 2012.

[Arkana]

1. They're blowing smoke

There's no way that the fundies would allow it. Arnold the Gropenfuhrer for President?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

29. Good point

but let's let them do it and then sink Arnold's boat at the right time.
We'll make that LA Times investigation look like ameteur writing- and it WAS hastily thrown together.

[davidinalameda]

2. I still have very mixed feelings about this

I think that any American should be able to run for president and this will allow that

and I don't think that Ahnuld would ever get the nomination--he's too liberal for the Falwells and the other fundies

[aquart]

17. My feelings aren't mixed. NEVER.

I do NOT want foreign domination of the United States. Not ever. NEVER.

[gWbush is Mabus]

22. Its not for Arnold, its for President Bandar Bush in 2012

[jdj]

38. Then I say we run Soros.

[jdj]

39. Or maybe Catherine Zeta Jones.

[kurtyboy]

69. Hell, maybe even Fidel or Hugo Chavez or

Pol Pot or---wait---aw crap, Pol Pot is dead. Can we make another amendment please, about dead guys?

[struggle4progress]

63. Shouldn't he renounce his Austrian citizenship first?

[SemperEadem]

70. Austria already wants to take it back on their own

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=141x6018

From: realFedUp in the California State folder

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-arnold23jan23,1...

Governor Is No Austrian, Official Says
From Reuters

January 23, 2005

VIENNA — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a citizen of both the United States and Austria, should be stripped of Austrian citizenship for allowing a convicted murderer to be executed, an Austrian politician said.

Schwarzenegger rejected a clemency appeal by triple-murderer Donald Beardslee, which gave San Quentin Prison the green light for California's first execution in three years Wednesday.

"The death penalty is unacceptable in Austria and Europe. No Austrian citizen is allowed to take part in or order executions," Peter Pilz, the security spokesman for Austria's Green Party, told the Austrian Press Agency.

Pilz, whose opposition Green Party is the smallest political group in Parliament, said Schwarzenegger's support for the death penalty not only violates Austrian law but has damaged the country's image as a modern peace-loving nation.

[Downtown Hound]

3. Good luck!

They're going to need it. It's damn hard to get an amendment passed. And it would be even harder for Ah-nold to win an election.

[readmylips]

4. I love it! Bring on Ahhnold the Pig....

I will vote for the Pig. At least, we know he's a Nazi and not a bush nazi dressed in wool. Presidant of the UUUnitad States of Amerrrica.

[meegbear]

5. WTF IS WITH THESE FUCKS WANTING TO FUCK WITH THE CONSTITUTION

ALL THE FUCKING TIME?

Jesus! Why do I get the feling these are the same people who flunked Civics in school?

[tom_paine]

27. That hate America, at least Free America

I thinkthe Busheviks are just fine with the Orwellian Virtual Enslavement shape Imperial Amerika is taking.

[FuzzyDicePHL]

75. Orwellian Virtual Enslavement

They're fine with it b/c they know deep down when that day comes they'll finally be free from having to think for themselves AT ALL. They welcome the time when they'll be able to smile and nod, agreeing with whatever they're told to believe.

Hell, plenty of religiousos are there already, and you see how desperately they cling to that security.

:puke:

[mrbassman03]

73. Well, realize it was written by old farts a long time ago...

I have heard that argument, along with the common... "Times change, the constitution should too!"

[Bethany Rockafella]

6. Who in the hell would want to listen to that man speak on national tv?

I don't know which is worse - Bush or Schwartznegger

[CottonBear]

23. George W. Scharzenbush would be the worst:

http://www.collegehumor.com/?image_id=102609

[Patchuli]

7. Ahnold for Prez?!

We here in CA (who didn't vote for him!) have yet to see him do
a decent job at governing our state! He promised to balance the
budget and has failed. He is busy calling nurses and teachers "special interests" as though healthcare and education is not important to ALL and at the same time, has managed to pocket more special interest money than any other CA governor in history.

Run for prez? No way! He sucks as a governor! For that matter, I wasn't that crazy about his acting either!

[superconnected]

37. that sure didn't stop texas from supporting bush

the reps would vote for him simply because he has a chance of winning.

he is their hench man, he will do what they say. He already bought into that party.

[iamjoy]

44. Acting? He Acted?

He was a character actor, not really acting if you ask me.
Any thespians want to weigh in?

[Patchuli]

60. He was a 'prop actor'

and without the toys or action wouldn't have made it.
Ahnie was just a bodybuilder and a porno star for a time, I hear.

EeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwUUUUU! :puke:

[Blue_Tires]

8. the question no one is asking

WHO THE FUCK EVEN WANTS HIM FOR PRESIDENT?????

he hasn't even proven yet he can run California effectively (and he won't)...Why are the people behind the scenes in such huff to put him in the white house?

[Gman]

9. This is not even off the ground and is a big waste of somebody's time

but it's their time and they can do with it as they please.

[unblock]

10. let them apply it only to those born AFTER ratification

if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

amending the constitution to cater to specific people is HORRIBLE public policy.

[Sequoia]

32. and only if they're under 8

when they arrive. No adults.

[stevedeshazer]

11. It won't happen, the Constitution makes amendments difficult

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

[fob]

26. Look for AG Gonzalez to refer to ARticle V as "quaint" and "rendered

useless" in post-911 amerika. Also hw will define "several states" as referring to the quantity 13, thereby only needing (any)10 states to ratify the sumbitch.

[Renew Deal]

12. Granholm for President

[latteromden]

18. Agreed.

[booksenkatz]

35. Hear, hear!

They want a furriner to run for prez? I say bring it on -- our furriner will kick their furriner's ass!!

[iamjoy]

45. Go Jennifer!

And hasn't she done a good job in Michigan?

[k8conant]

50. Go Jennifer...

:kick:

[pinniped]

13. I was watching A&E and some idiots made a movie about that repuke moran.

It looks pretty stooopid as does he.

[saracat]

14. This is more dangerous than it looks.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the american voter. Arnold could win. This amendement could pass because what grounds could Democrats use toprotest it? They would be guilty of discriminating. Actually some Dems like the idea because it could give more play to Jennifer Granholm of Michigan. She is Canadian.

[driver8]

15. This is definitely dangerous...

You know that the "typical" mer'kun voter would love to have the Terminator in office. I have no doubt that Arnold could win.

He is succeeding in screwing up California...he might as well finish off whatever shrub doesn't destroy.

Wake me up when this nightmare is over.

[SnowGoose]

21. Actually, she's as American as you or me

she was simply *born* in Canada.

It just seems like it's worth paying attention to details like that when having a discussion such as this one.

[saracat]

28. See what I mean? Dems can't argue against this.

And Americans ARE stupid enough to vote for Arnold!

[Jersey Ginny]

65. The best argument is one of divided loyalties

I'm on the fence about this issue. I think that the dems could run some good people who might not otherwise be able to run. However the issue of concern for me is the loyalty to the US of the prospective president. On the other hand, maybe a president with an understanding that there is a world beyond the borders of America would be very positive.

[aquart]

40. She's a woman.

We don't need to import women.

Democrats who think this is a good idea have the same minds as Democrats who thought Nader was a good idea.

[SCantiGOP]

16. Let him run

The reason the clause was put in the Constitution has been irrelevant for almost 200 years. Besides, the GOP would never nominate him. And the rest of the country may remember another Austrian import who managed to get himself elected in the 1930's.................

[Massachusetts]

20. Excellent observation!

[ronnykmarshall]

19. By 2010?

"The organization plans to hold a series of meetings around the state over the next year. Organizers hope to have a constitutional amendment in place by 2010 to allow Schwarzenegger to run for president in 2012."

:puke:

[TNOE]

24. NEVER EVER underestimate them

Goro has been predicting this for quite some time. They own the machines, they can put in whoever they want - all they need is to get the amendment passed - somehow. My bets are on a "terrorist" attack in California - Arnold gets to be the new Rudy Gilliani (except in a bigger way) and wah la, presto chango - there are too many people who would be stupid enough to fall for it.

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

[joefree1]

25. Because there is nothing else to focus on?

I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or puke.

[Carni]

30. Hey what could be worse than bush?

Can't stand the gropinator but he might be an improvement over Jeb.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. It'll never happen.

There is too many of them there boys who doesn't like them there furiners in their country. Nope. It will never happen. If the RW south is as "powerful" as they're suppose to be.....Ahhhhnold will never be prez. The amendment will never happen.

[MisterP]

43. well, Nipples is already effectively saying "Immyghrants are ghrooining

Kalleefohneeya"; besides, they only hate the browner immigrants--orange nazist ones are a-okay by them

[mcscajun]

51. Those boys may not want 'furriners' but they sure do like Arnold flicks.

The morons. They might just vote for him. He's different, doncha know?

[xxqqqzme]

33. steroid boy - smeroid boy

the amendment is 4 rupert the murdoch

[David__77]

34. I hope the Republicans spend a lot of money on this.

It's not going to pass. For one thing, the very formulation "Amend for Arnold" will leave people cold. We don't pass amendment to our nation's Constitution for ONE PERSON - period. If it were motivated by an honest belief that the foreign-born should be able to run for president, that would be another thing. California wouldn't support it, I can tell you that. Perhaps we could promote that it would only apply beginning in 2040.

[SemperEadem]

71. Not with Prop 287 in force

But, the marjority voted him in, so go figure...

[ally_sc]

36. oh pleeeeze...not arnauld...

that is all we need...

[superconnected]

41. the american public will vote for him

the people on du won't but the rest of america well.

Sickening huh.

most people don't follow politics. They follow pop culture. Remember jesse ventura? Arnold made gov and he's not helped the place, they have a worse budget short fall now.

But the real problem is, they'd vote him in again.

[MrSlayer]

42. Their plan is to be able to amend the Constitution at will by 2009.

By using BBV and Rovian smear tactics that have worked so well in the past two major elections the Neo-Cons plan to have enough governorships by 2009 to amend at will. This is real and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot anyone can do to stop it since the BBV stuff all got swept under the rug and will expand. The death of America is coming unless we can somehow end the fraud and brainwashing.

[dansolo]

48. But then why do they need Arnold?

If they can control the voting with BBV, there is no need for pushing Arnold for President. My understanding is that they want Arnold because they think that his popularity will guarantee his election. But with BBV, they can put a much more compliant candidate that isn't as "liberal" as Arnold.

[MrSlayer]

59. Good Question.

Maybe as an ace in the hole in case their plans gets disrupted, maybe for someone other than Arnie.

[Swamp Rat]

46. Get ready for our next Führer!

[PROUDNWLIBERAL]

47. Duel Citizen

Arnold is also a citizen of Austria! their might be a question of loyalties involved here, but then again we know he is a loyal nazi and BFEE!

[OneBlueSky]

49. just what we need . . . a real live Nazi . . .

as if the pseudo-Nazis currently in power aren't bad enough . . . sheesh . . .

[Megahurtz]

52. NOT the Nazi Ahnold

:puke:

[mcscajun]

53. Who believes 'Amend for Arnold' really has 'volunteers from all 50 states?

I'm betting on the following:

There's a big financial backer (or group of backers) behind this, the same as there was for the Recall movement in California that allowed the Gropenator a shot at the office in the first place. Maybe even the same folks. These 'volunteers' are hand-picked organizers assigned in the various states and are well-paid for their efforts. Grassroots, my ass!

They'll call the movement "Amend for Arnold" just long enough to gain momentum and wider backing. Then, they'll change it to something more universal to appeal to immigrant groups and mainstream Americans across the board. Yet everyone will know (and much of the hype surrounding it will still be driven by the idea) that it will be Arnold who's be the first beneficiary of it. His (gag) popularity and the thought that he'll be president will be enough (plus the manipulation of the voting process) to ensure passage in the required number of states (all Red).

Then the ol' switcheroo will be pulled, and the guy who's currently in the shadows on this will be pushed front and center as our first immigrant President.

About that time, I'll be sitting in a warm tub with a razor.

[earth mom]

72. Who's the guy in the shadows? n/t

[mcscajun]

74. I don't know — it's just a feeling that it's what's in the wind.

We'll have to wait and hope this bloody amendment never passes. I wish them the same luck with it as the ERA had.

[NuttyFluffers]

54. "Demolition Man" should never be a predicative movie...

i guess we all should start learning how to use the three seashells. :eyes:

[indepat]

55. Does this mean our Republic is endangered without Arnauld at the helm?

[BushSpeak]

56. Enron E-mails Confirm Schwarzenegger-Ken Lay Meeting

in May of 2001

Here's the link
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/pr/pr003708.php3

He's also being sued by British TV host Anna Richardson for sexual harassment. This could wind up costing him a lot of money, as the trial will be in England.

Arnold the Clinton Barbarian
http://www.liberty-ca.org/recallgraydavis/swartzenegger.htm

PS I thought 2008 was little brother's turn.

[donheld]

57. Amend for Bandar

Bandar Bush

[Deja Q]

58. What's so great about Governor Groper, the steroid smoker?

:shrug:

[deadparrot]

61. I like the idea of allowing any American citizen to run for president...

but I HATE the fact that they're doing this with Ah-nold in mind.

Someone, awhile ago, endorsed such an amendment, but with a clause saying it wouldn't take effect for a number of years (20-25?). I don't remember who it was, but I liked the idea, because it's not done with a specific person in mind.

[bluestateboomer]

62. It's just a smoke screen to tinker with the Constitution.

Repugs win more when they changes rules. With a level playing field they lose a lot more often.:puke:

[sphincter]

64. If.

If the amendment goes through, I WILL move to the US and run for Prez. First thing I will do is to outlaw Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter.

[Emillereid]

66. I don't think people understand the personal cult status

the gropenfuhrer has -- I personally think he's the most dangerous politician alive. The way he is intimidating the state legislature in CA and the way he is consolidating power is simply alarming. Now he's got a move on to get rid of Shelley, our secretary of state who is in charge of elections and was one of the few to say no to Diebold. Don't sell this guy short -- he is the stuff that fascist personal cult leaders are made off. He's smart; he understands the power of the simple phrase and imagery and he is not a joke. Stop him now -- anyway we can.

[DemonFighterLives]

67. I think all democrats should move to squelch this thing

Before it even gets going. It may not be terribly bad on paper, but with Arnold in mind it is. The only reason his name comes up is he needs to be repaid for covering up the raping of CA by the energy boys.
I am just tired of W and the gang fixing our election machinery, purging the cia and sucking the SS money out of us. The less chnges and reforms "they" do the better. The country may be a mess, but just get out and "we'll" clean it up.

[Voltaire99]

77. Agreed. It will give the Democratic Party something to do...

...when not busy voting for Bush's terrible nominees and terrible wars.

Hell, everybody needs a hobby.

[Dirk39]

68. "Equal Opportunity to Govern"

as long as you're born in the same country as Hitler, who
became the president of a foreign country, too.
Germany 1933 was just an example of how liberal a country can treat CERTAIN foreigners.

Everybody should be allowed to become president in every single nation all around the globe...
With the exception of people from Austria, at least for the next 299 years. It's nothing personal, Arnie! It's, well it's about history.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[biftonnorton]

76. But He's Got Charisma, Looks, Style!

Now that we've proven backgrounds can be spun and debated into virtual irrelevance, I'm sure his won't matter come voting time. They just need a charismatic leader who can build feel-good consensus among the people, with the help of the Fox/Rush echo chamber of course, and the men behind the curtain will enact their will through him. He's been a great success in that regard so far, turning his lines from his movies and that one borrowed from SNL into soundbites that win him major points with the commoners. Funniest, tho, was when we said the people affected by the slides in CA "would be back", ala Terminator. Arnold's on-screen persona is a real winner and is being test marketed now. If the amendment passes, we will see him in the WH. The image makers have had remarkable success working with much less raw potential/talent before. :eyes: