White House denies tying Iraq to September 11 attacks

[NNN0LHI]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030917/pl_afp/us_iraq_whouse&cid=1521&ncid=1473

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The White House denied ever linking Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) to the September 11 terrorist attacks, even though US President George W. Bush often cited those strikes in his case for the war in Iraq.

"We said that we don't have any evidence to suggest a connection," said Bush spokesman Scott McClellan, who told reporters he knew of no instance in which the US leader explicitly tied Iraq to al-Qaeda's devastating suicide strikes.

Bush has discussed "the importance of confronting the new threats we face in light of September 11, the fact that September 11 brought to light the importance of going after these threats before they come to our shores," said McClellan.

"And he has made very clear that Saddam Hussein certainly would not be providing weapons of mass destruction to any terrorists and that threat should be taken away," the spokesman said.

His comments came a week after a public opinion poll found that nearly 70 percent of Americans believe that Saddam's regime, which US-led forces toppled in April, was linked to the attacks that prompted the global war on terrorism.

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[central scrutinizer]

1. depends on what the definition of is is

lie, lie, lie

[RandomKoolzip]

6. Gee, I like your pants, I mean, handle....

"One of our friendly officers gave him a donut and told him to stick closer to church-related social activities...."

This is such total bullshit. Anyone care to give links to specific quotes where Bush/Rumsfeld/whoever made reference to both Iraq/Hussein and 9/11/Al-Queada? Anyone? I know there's a bunch of 'em, I heard the president do it myself on several occasions. Even if there was no specific link spoken of, the resident skewed his speeches pre-war to give the boldest possible impression that Iraq and the WTC attacks had some sort of link, however oblique. How ingenuous of them now to come out and say, "hey, we never said there was a link!" Why the fuck did we go to war then, you bastards?

[Magleetis]

31. They have lies

so big they don't make a noise. they tell them so well like a secret disease.

[FauxNewsBlues]

36. Josh Marshall/Talking Points Memo on this story

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

[mhr]

2. Unbelievable!

eom

[disgruntella]

3. "We said that we don't have any evidence to suggest a connection"

I wonder why every single smidgen of evidence that might potentially tie Iraq with Al-Qaeda got a HUGE bounce in the media then?

It's so laughable... media whores like Fox work overtime to highlight the connection, and then the Bush gang replies (one year later): "Nope, y'all were just barking up the wrong tree on this one."

:puke:

[NNN0LHI]

4. The only thing I can think of here is Bush's bosses want out of Iraq now

And they can't leave without getting the people who they claimed had a hand in killing 3000 people two years ago. So now they need to change the story a little bit so they can get the hell out of there ASAP.

Don

[TacticalPeek]

22. Saddam Hoozat?

Nonaccomplice of Osama Bin Forgotten.

[fishnfla]

34. Don, You may be right, I hope you're right

When I read and heard this am that Sanchez, the commander in Iraq, stating that the US soldiers were facing a "new kind of attack, revenge attacks" from ordinary Iraqi citizens resentful of US occupation it was time to get O-U-T.

You may be on to something. The powers that be are starting to read the handwriting on the wall. In order to save the office of the pResidency, they are formulating an exit plan (B)

[NNN0LHI]

50. I think they have given up on the idea of keeping the White House in '04

They know that is gone now. They are just trying to prevent Juniors coattails from bringing the whole Republican party down and giving control of both houses in Congress back to the Dems next year. And that alone will be a trick now.

Don

[hyphenate]

55. We can only hope.

We can only hope..............

But they might plan some new mass distraction right around August of next year. Something which will enable them to keep the flipping idiot in the white house for another term, as people see themselves rallying to show their "faith" in America. Sometimes the conspiracy fanatic inside me still thinks 9-11 was planned and executed by the repukes even though it's rather unlikely. It did give Bozo, er, GWB, the opportunity to get his points way up. And I don't see the GOP above doing whatever it takes to get exactly what they want.

What the country needs, however, is a Democrat controlled House, Senate and Administration. Get Wolfowitz, Perle, Rummy, Rice, Powell and all these other yahoos out of power--as quickly as it's possible. And then, Jr. needs to be brought up on treason for his AWOL, and Rummy, Cheney, Asscroft, Wolfowitz and all the neocons need to be brought up on charges of treason as well, simply because they have ruined this country for a century to come.

[Sal316]

5. Is this what they meant by 'we never said that'?

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

-or-

"The CIA possesses solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." – CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

-or-

"We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." – President Bush, Oct. 7.

Top 10 Lies about Iraq
Bush War Lies Chart

[benfranklin1776]

14. Nice job of nailing them with their own fallacious words!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[donotpassgo]

58. but the Pubbies argument is

George Bush never SAID that Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11.

[hippiechick]

7. Goddess, I hope this is what sinks their lyin' asses !!!

Un-FREAKING-believeable !!!!!!

Then why were we there in the first farking place ??


IMPEACH NOW, ASK QUESTIONS LATER.



:hippie:

[wellst0nev0ter]

8. And They Can Shit On Me And Call Me A Sundae

"And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained.

Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.

We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes.

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?

If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

2003, SOTU

[wellst0nev0ter]

10. Damn Several People Replied Before Me

disregard.

[TacticalPeek]

32. "Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions"

"By God's grace," bin Laden says on the tape, "we have formed with many other Islamic groups and organizations in the Islamic world a front called the International Islamic Front to do jihad against the crusaders and Jews."

"And by God's grace," he says at another point in the tape, "the men ... are going to have a successful result in killing Americans and getting rid of them."

CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen, who interviewed bin Laden a year earlier, believes the tape depicts a key moment for al Qaeda.

"They're going public," Bergen said. "They're saying, 'We're having this war against the United States.'"

May 26, 1998 http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/08/19/terror.tape.main/



Plus:

Attacks on US embassies in Africa

Attack on USS Cole

First WTC attack (hint, hint)


And let's not forget the President's Daily Intelligence Brief (PDIB), August 6, 2001:

"In sum, the 9/11 Report of the Congressional Inquiry indicates that the intelligence community was very aware that Bin Laden might fly an airplane into an American skyscraper.

Given the fact that there had already been an attempt to bring down the twin towers of the World Trade Center with a bomb, how could Rice say what she did?

Certainly, someone could have predicted, contrary to Rice's claim that, among other possibilities, "these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon." John Dean http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030729.html

TooStupidToBe President

[benfranklin1776]

9. More mendacious malarkey from the kings and queens of dissembling.

Junior goes out of his way in his speeches to rhetorically link the two. He is always careful to mention the attack on Iraq in the same sentence or paragraph as September 11th. In his latest dissembling of two Sunday nights ago he went so far as to specifically list the attack on Iraq as a specfic response taken to the attacks of September 11th. Its crap. He does it because he knows beating the fear drum is the only thing that can buffalo people into blindly accepting his embrace of the agenda of the PNAC extremists, as George Soros refers to them, in his cabinet even though it has diverted resources away from combatting terrorism and our occupation of Iraq has become a flash point for terrorist recruitment. ^%$^^%$ LIARS!

[neverforget]

11. Remember, folks, Bush talks to God and therefore he's never

wrong. :eyes:

[gratuitous]

12. Golly, where did anyone get THAT idea?

Just because the Washington Post had a poll recently that had 69% of respondents who thought Saddam had been involved with September 11. Can't imagine why they would think that. Must be a mass delusion, because the White House sure is denying that they said anything of the sort.

Unless, of course, they're LYING. But we know that George W. Bush is a good Christian man who wouldn't lie, so that can't be it.

[Tempest]

13. Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

From the U.N. War Resolution:

"Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;"

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From State of the Union Speech 2003

"And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/26/national/main523326.shtml

President Bush's national security adviser said al Qaeda operatives have found refuge in Baghdad, and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime of helping Osama bin Laden's followers develop chemical weapons.

Condoleezza Rice's statements, aired Wednesday in a broadcast interview, are the strongest yet alleging contacts between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. Previously, evidence of the two working together was tenuous, or came from unreliable sources.

She made her accusations as the Bush administration continued to make its case to a skeptical world that Saddam should be removed from power, by force if necessary. They followed accusations from Democratic Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle that Mr. Bush was playing politics with the debate over war in Iraq.

"There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here," Rice said.

[benfranklin1776]

17. Nice job as well setting the record straight!

n/t

[hatrack]

15. A smidgen of advice for these lying war-whores:

Don't piss in a pitcher, pour out a glassful, hand it to me and tell me that it's lemonade.

Do they really think we'll just IGNORE this? Do they really think we're going to FORGET about all the lies, all the misrepresentations, all the half-truths if they play little word games about what they "said" or "never said".

God in heaven, these people really piss me off.

[bushisanidiot]

16. They Sure As Hell Implied There Was A Connection

These idiots are like children fighting in the back seat of the car.. one kid holds his hand over the other one's head in order to annoy the other all the while proclaiming "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

When are the adults going to be in charge again??????????????????

[DinahMoeHum]

18. Tee hee. The chickenshits are back-pedalling. . .

n/t

:evilfrown:

[Homer12]

19. It's not what they said, it's about what they didn't say.

[Robb]

20. Actually, what's really amazing

...is that anyone in the press called them on this at all, with enough vigor that they felt a need to respond in whatever piss-poor fashion.

Their boy is in trouble, all right. I predict uh-oh, the return of Robbstradamus one of two things happening: Flightsuit Boy will bring the troops back in time for the election NO MATTER WHAT, or he'll have an LBJ moment.

[UpInArms]

21. transcript of GWB from October 9, 2002

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2002/joct/9_transcript.html

Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism and practices terror against its own people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's 11-year history of defiance, deception and bad faith.

We must also never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On September 11 2001, America felt its vulnerability even to threats that gather on the other side of the Earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat from any source that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America.

Members of Congress of both political parties, and members of the United Nations Security Council, agree that Saddam Hussein is a threat to peace and must disarm. We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons.

Since we all agree on this goal, the issue is how best can we achieve it?

Many Americans have raised legitimate questions about the nature of the threat, about the urgency of action. Why be concerned now? About the link between Iraq developing weapons of terror and the wider war on terror.

...more...

oh no, GeorgiePorgieLiarLiar, you didn't tie Iraq to 911 /sarcasm now off

:puke:

[Maeve]

23. Me thinks they need some seltzer down the pants

Put out the fires...

[MaineDem]

24. USA Today 7/29/02 Connection sought between Iraq, al-Qaeda

WASHINGTON — Bush administration lawyers have concluded that establishing a link between al-Qaeda terrorists and Iraq would provide the legal justification the White House needs to attack Saddam Hussein's regime, U.S. officials say.

An intensive effort by U.S. intelligence to establish a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq is being driven, in part, by a conclusion reached in recent weeks by White House and Pentagon legal and legislative advisers. They believe that connecting Iraq and the Sept. 11 attacks would allow the administration to avoid debates at the United Nations and in Congress over what some would call an unprovoked strike.

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Sorry, I didn't save the link just the text.

[LizW]

38. Put these people under oath

Someone refresh my memory. There was a group that was reported to be meeting in the White House Situation room during the weeks leading up to the Congressional vote on the use of force against Iraq. I don't remember what it was called, but Mary Matalin was part of it, as was Karen Hughes, and a man whose name I can't remember but who is a big name in pushing Bushista legislation through Congress.

I don't have time to Google it up right now, but I'll bet I can find the info again.

Put this bunch under oath before Congress and let's see if there was never any intention to connect Sept. 11 and Iraq.

Liars!:mad:

[ikojo]

40. Is there anyone on the boards with access to

lexis/nexis? Any librarians? I have an associate (not a close friend) who works at a university library and she says they have lexis/nexis. With the date of the article it should be easier to find it on l/n.

Lexis/Nexis...the ULTIMATE search engine at hundreds of dollars a month...oh to be rich!

[Unknown Known]

25. The problem, again, is the media

That's why 70% of Americans believe Saddam was connected to 9/11.

The media is the biggest problem we have in this country. Unless things change, I don't think there will be a Dem in the WH in 2004.

We need to kick out all the mediawhores NOW!!

[rocktivity]

51. Sad but true, Unknown--the media IS our biggest problem.

There certainly wouldn't have been a Watergate without them. But now they're just another group of corporations waiting for their financial investment in the Pretzel-Dunce to pay off in favorable FCC rulings.

Al Franken recently said in an interview that the "liberal network" is "on its way." It's not going to do us much good if it doesn't arrive by the end of the year. And whatever happened to that DU-er Tace who was supposed to be working on something? And this Soros guy--he's got enough money to set us up overnight. We need a offline broadcast/basic cable liberal media source, and we need it NOW.


rocknation

[sonias]

26. Revisionist history

That's the ticket. They really do treat the American public like a bunch of morons. It's a damn shame that a majority don't care either.

Sonia

[ElementaryPenguin]

27. Is there ONE single thing these outrageous bastards HAVEN'T lied about??

I can never come up with even one! Even Hitler himself could not have outlied this bunch! If the American public even buys this one - we've got an even greater problem than the BFEE/PNAC Mob - we are living in such a moronic society - such a madhouse - that a democracy with our kind of insane electorate amounts to the rest of us having to live under a form of tyranny at the hands of the moronic and the incredibly uniformed!!!

[RedSock]

29. how many links do you need?

GO HERE for LINKS
http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2002_11_03_uggabugga_archive.html#84038908

From the White House website, Bush's comments about Saddam Hussein: (Campaign speeches only. For period of October 10 - November 04, 2002.)

OCT 28 Remarks by the President at New Mexico Welcome
"This is a person who has had contacts with al Qaeda."

OCT 28 Remarks by the President in Colorado Welcome
"He's got connections with al Qaeda."

OCT 31 Remarks by the President at South Dakota Welcome
"This is a guy who has had connections with these shadowy terrorist networks."

NOV 01 Remarks by the President at New Hampshire Welcome
"We know he's got ties with al Qaeda."

NOV 02 Remarks by the President in Florida Welcome
"We know that he's had connections with al Qaeda."

NOV 02 Remarks by the President in Atlanta, Georgia Welcome
"He's had connections with shadowy terrorist networks like al Qaeda."

NOV 02 Remarks by the President at Tennessee Welcome
"We know that he has had contacts with terrorist networks like al Qaeda."

NOV 03 Remarks by the President in Minnesota Welcome
"This is a man who has had contacts with al Qaeda."

NOV 04 Remarks by the President at Missouri Welcome
"This is a man who has had al Qaeda connections."

NOV 04 Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome
"He's had contacts with al Qaeda."

NOV 04 Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome
"This is a man who has got connections with al Qaeda."

Plus this speculation:
OCT 14 Remarks by the President in Michigan Welcome
"... we need to think about Saddam Hussein using al Qaeda to do his dirty work, to not leave fingerprints behind."

NOV 03 Remarks by the President in South Dakota Welcome
"And, not only that, he is -- would like nothing better than to hook-up with one of these shadowy terrorist networks like al Qaeda, provide some weapons and training to them, let them come and do his dirty work, and we wouldn't be able to see his fingerprints on his action. "

NOV 03 Remarks by the President at Illinois Welcome
"He is a man who would likely -- he is a man who would likely team up with al Qaeda. He could provide the arsenal for one of these shadowy terrorist networks. He would love to use somebody else to attack us, and not leave fingerprints behind. "

[donotpassgo]

59. This list is incredible...we should get the footage and string it together

along with his remarks NOW for a nice campaign spot.

[Robin Hood]

28. Here is proof of that they are lying.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/11/Iraq.Qaeda.link/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Does Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein provide assistance to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda? It's a case the Bush administration has tried hard to make.

"These al Qaeda affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they've been operating freely in the capital for more than eight months," said U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in his presentation last month to the U.N. Security Council.

During testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee in mid-February, CIA Director George Tenet added, "Iraq has, in the past, provided training in document forgery and bomb-making to al Qaeda. It has also provided training in poisons and gases to two al Qaeda associates."

Snip

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- The regime of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein for years has consorted with the al Qaeda terrorist network, often using as a go-between a shadowy figure who set up a training camp in northeast Iraq, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday.

Speaking to the U.N. Security Council, Powell offered the most detailed explanation yet of possible links between Baghdad and associates of Osama bin Laden. At its center, he said, is Abu Mussab Zarqawi, a bin Laden associate who has traveled in Iraq.

Iraqi officials have steadfastly denied that they have any links to al Qaeda, insisting such charges are part of a U.S. disinformation effort to justify a military attack. Powell dismissed their denials, and said Iraq has a record of trying to deceive the world.

"Ambition and hatred are enough to bring Iraq and al Qaeda together," Powell said.


W A S H I N G T O N, Sept. 26 — The United States has long charged Saddam Hussein with supporting terrorism, but the Bush administration is now alleging something new — what one official called a "current, symbiotic relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda.

SNIP



http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/Iraqpolitics020926.html
President Bush appeared in the Rose Garden today with members of Congress who support him on Iraq and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of essentially the same crime he charged the Taliban with: harboring al Qaeda terrorists.
"The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist organizations. And there are al Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq," he said.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said "Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven opportunities in Iraq, reciprocal nonaggression discussions."

And, he added, al Qaeda is looking for specific assistance from Baghdad.

"We have what we consider to be credible evidence that al Qaeda leaders have sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire weapons of mass destruction capabilities," Rumsfeld said.


SNIP

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-07-28-iraq-al-qaeda_x.htm
WASHINGTON — Bush administration lawyers have concluded that establishing a link between al-Qaeda terrorists and Iraq would provide the legal justification the White House needs to attack Saddam Hussein's regime, U.S. officials say.

An intensive effort by U.S. intelligence to establish a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq is being driven, in part, by a conclusion reached in recent weeks by White House and Pentagon legal and legislative advisers. They believe that connecting Iraq and the Sept. 11 attacks would allow the administration to avoid debates at the United Nations and in Congress over what some would call an unprovoked strike.

The administration has sought the connection since the first days after Sept. 11.

The idea of using that connection as legal grounds for military action has gelled only recently, however, as the administration has developed its military options and confronted the difficulty of gaining support from allies for attacking Iraq. Countries such as Russia and France, both permanent U.N. Security Council members, have been pushing to ease sanctions on Iraq and have raised concerns about an unprovoked attack.

SNIP

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Anthropology/publications/General_Powell.htm
Powell stated, "Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, a collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda lieutenants." He further claimed, "When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq."

[Malva Zebrina]

30. all well and good

everyone on DU knew it was happening--but nearly 70percent of the people polled believed Saddam attacked the WTC. How come? They made that up?

Bush will get away with anything at this point. If he can get away with the murder of thousands of men, women and above all, innocent children, he will get away with any lie he chooses to tell. I imagine the asshole is laughing his head off, with Laura attending to him, every night--with Rove, Cheney and whoever else is complicit in this unbelievable scenario of the Bush crimes against his own people.

[underpants]

33. I knew it I knew it I knew it I KNEW they were going to pull this

I don't know if the EVER directly said it but they always had him mention Saddam and 9/11 in the same sentence or there abouts. Technically he may never had said it but his minions either did or strongly implied it AND

70% of the American people :eyes: seem to think he said it.

People don't like being lied to and they don't apprecitate mincing words like that. Many of those who voted for W did so because he was a "straight shooter" even though the informed new he was LYING and/or distorting the truth ("I will lower taxes"-Oh really? Whose? How? Which ones?).

As reactionaries do they REACTED to what Dick said on MTP and this will come back to haunt them.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. kick

[sendero]

39. this is the exact kind of wordplay....

... they were always getting livid about Clinton doing.

They can claim "we didn't say it", but most people hearing the quotes are going to feel the same way we do, if saying it was a mile, you went 5,279 feet towards it.

And I really think there will be someone in the mainstream media that will pick this up, it is just too egregious.

[ikojo]

41. We KNOW the Bush* administration is self serving

What we should REALLY be upset about is the fact that the DEMOCRATS (remember the OPPOSITION party?) are saying very little about this. THEY don't call Bush on his lies. Of course Dems like Gephardt supported Bush going to war based upon those lies, so perhaps we need to ask Gephardt what he would like to drink with that crow?

Americans will support a party that stands on its principals.

The Repugnicans began attacking Clinton as soon as he took office in 1993 and they were in the MINORITY. A minority party CAN do things but the Dems choose not to and instead roll over thinking that people will like them if they do as Bush* wants.

[librechik]

54. Yes, bu there is still "plausible deniability"

Examine all the quotes carefully, and you will see there are none which LITERALLY say "Saddam rode shotgun on Sep 11" There is lots and lots and LOTS of "guilt by association:" ("After 9/11 Iraq's terror ties to Al Quaeda can't be ignored" and the like) But nothing they can be held to in a court of law. Cheney only lied when he said he was "surprised." Obviously it was planned down to the syllable by Bush's corrupt lawyers.

PeeWee's Iraq Adventure was all a highly successful parlor trick by expert and experienced con men. They know that American's low opinion of Saddam and Iraq will feed the idea that he MIGHT have done it. In that atmosphere even the Pope would get convicted of helping the terrorists. At this point, I bet the Dems could present POSITIVE PROOF that Saddam had an airtight alibi, and the polls would still come out 70% against him.

Scottie got it exactly right. His boss never said the exact phrase, just that there were possible connections.

However, the same magic trick could work against the Cabal. Once the public get's a whiff of the fact that their trusted Daddy Figure LIED to them, well, it could be pitchforks and torches time at the palace, and no amount of evidence could stop the tide. Especially when the Bushie's HAVE no evidence.

[rocktivity]

49. They DELIBERATELY implied it, Underpants

The statements you've all pulled try to link Saddam to al-Qaeda, not to 9/11 in particular. But notice how quickly they're all FOLLOWED UP with statements about 9/11. By accident? NOT! The mission was to delibarately IMPLY that there was a link between Saddam and 9/11. Why do I believe this? BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN THEM THIS LONG TO GET AROUND TO DENYING IT!


rocknation

[underpants]

53. The will demand black and white proof of their gray area

I can see the minions getting their talking points now.

"The PRESIDENT never directly linked them and I defy you to provide a quote or and instance where he did."

Fine argument but the people who only pick up ~30% of what is said are not going to settle for that. The hard base will but most people will not.

[9215]

37. Who the fuck cares?????

Who reads????? Who thinks????????

It is all alphabet soup to the majority of this fuckbrain population of "Survivor" watchers. This "active" get up and do something physical, but abhor thinking subspecies is determined to maintain its ignorance.

I just wish they would recieve the consequences in short order and rebel or defer and get this shitbrain charade overwith!!!!!!

[kentuck]

42. Anyone notice how C-SPAN (Peter Flin) ignored this story this AM ?

A couple of people called him on it. He seemed quite defensive. One caller said it was earth-shaking news and it was being ignored...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

44. Yes.

I like how the lady snookered him in with her coffeee klatch story and then popped him with that at the end.

[underpants]

45. Timing of the statements-W leaving town / Isabel will wash it away

Just like the announcements they make on late Friday afternoons.

This hit me this morning, all the news reports are about Isabel (understandable in a way). W himself at a cabinet meeting said it (ABC's WNT last night)and then he scurried off.

[Whoa_Nelly]

43. All the news stories about denial

sure are getting a lot of US media attention. The media whores are still kowtowing to the BFEE. It's disgusting. Rove is doing the behind scenes of putting the screws to the whores' thumbs, especially since * is basing his re-theft on terrorism. Also, it diminshes the reports of how he has totally screwed our economy, as well as the destroyed our credibility in the global arena.

<<<Waiting for the other shoe to drop>>>
Sure hope nothing happens, but keep waiting for something huge to happen that will affect us even more then September 11.
:tinfoilhat:

[david_vincent]

46. oopsie! time for another vacation! n/t

[TahitiNut]

47. NewsMax (a GOP disinformation septic tank) reported ...

... on September 8th "Russert Fib: 'No One' Believes Iraq Link to 9/11" and proceeds to associate Saddam with September 11th as a settled matter:

NBC News Washington bureau chief Tim Russert is claiming that "no one" believes Iraq played a role in the 9/11 attacks - a contention that should come as quite a surprise to Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer.

"No one will say there was a direct involvement of Saddam Hussein in Sept. 11," Russert told radio host Don Imus on Monday. "There's no direct link that can be substantiated."

Instead, said the "Meet the Press" host, the Bush White House is misleading the American public by insinuating that ties between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 exist. "It is in the president's interest for people to perceive Iraq as a central or vital part of the war on terror," he insisted.

In fact, when he claims that "no one" believes in an Iraq-9/11 link, it's Russert who's doing the misleading.

In a May 7 ruling on a lawsuit bought against Iraq by the families of 9/11 victims George Eric Smith and Timothy Soulas, Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer ruled there was proof Baghdad played a role in facilitating the attacks.

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This has been a reichwing disinformation campaign for more than the past year and NewsMax is obviously part of the "lie laundering" machine, as are the specious reichwing 'experts' upon whom Judge Baer relies.

[underpants]

48. Ah yes blame the"liberal media" for spreading YOUR LIE!!!

Total BS. I don't understand how the law suit tying the two together ("Barely" said the judge) but yet they claim to have never said it and now say there is no link oh and they never said there was either, so stop saying that.

[TahitiNut]

56. I think the judge meant/said ...

... "Baerly". :silly:

[Paschall]

52. Kick

All you good people did so much fine work here, it would be a shame to let this thread sink.

:thumbsup:

[donotpassgo]

57. 'We at the White House do not link...

SADDAM HUSSEIN with SEPTEMBER 11th. We don't know why the American people would LINK SADDAM HUSSEIN and AL QAEDA. The public SHOULD not LINK IRAQ and OSAMA BIN LADEN.