Body of missing Indiana girl found in stream

[rainbow4321]

http://cbs11tv.com/national/MissingGirl-aa/resources_news_html

CROTHERSVILLE, Ind. (AP) The body of a missing 10-year-old girl was found in a stream Sunday, five days after she apparently accepted a ride from a young man in a truck while returning home from an errand.

The body of Katlyn ``Katie'' Collman was discovered about 20 miles north of her hometown of Crothersville. Authorities did not disclose how she died or how long her remains may have been in the stream

Collman's family had last seen her Tuesday afternoon as she walked to a store near her home to buy toilet paper, investigators said.

A witness who saw Collman in the truck said she looked like a normal passenger. ``There was no sign of her being held against her will or trying to get out,'' Goodin said at the time.

[Erika]

1. We have a brand of sickness here that needs cured.

Let us take care of our own first.

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[GiovanniC]

14. WHOA... I Think Someone Needs To Apply The Brakes Here

Do you NOT see the irony in your statement?

See, I've managed to go a few decades with testosterone coursing through my body and I haven't killed any 10-year-olds and left them in any stream beds, fuck you very much.

[Pert_UK]

15. You are a genius.....if only you were in charge

:eyes:

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[BikeWriter]

2. A tragedy. :-(

[eleonora]

3. that's fucking sick

and the sicko did it less than 2 hours away from here. YIKES!

[salin]

4. Not sure what part of the state that is...

hadn't heard of the town.

Very sick - and sadly no where seems immune from this sickness. :-(

[eleonora]

5. half an hour or so north of Louisville KY

I had to use mapquest too. It's in South East Indiana

[salin]

6. Prayers to the family and the whole community

I am in the Indy area - there was an atrocity against a girl up here around Christmas. The dangerous nuts are everywhere.

[left is right]

7. more like 40 minutes

It's a town rather than a city. The kind of place that it was safe enough to let your 10 year old walk to the store on an errand for you. At least it was right up to the moment she disappeared.

[Journeyman]

9. The suburbs of Los Angeles were like that when I was a kid. . .

not that many years ago.

[Tsiyu]

20. Okay NO PLACE is safe any more

For little boys or little girls

If you have a child, watch that child like a hawk. Like a mama bear. Sickos are EVERYWHERE.

[LibDemAlways]

25. I do, and am amazed that

some parents don't. Freaks me out when I see kids walking by themselves or outside unsupervised. A little girl was abducted in front of a playmate here in Southern Cal a couple of years ago. The kids were outside in the yard while the girl's grandmother, who was "babysitting," was inside her apartment. The child's body was found the next day. There is no such thing as being too careful or watchful when it comes to children.

[Tsiyu]

28. Me too

You have to let them outside for some healthy physical activity, but I'm freaked about my eleven-year-old just walking out of my sight to his friend's house down the road. Only five families live on this road and it gets almost no traffic, but you just don't know when or where some pervert and your kid are going to cross paths.

Add to that the fact that mandatory minimums for non-violent offenses are forcing prisons to release sex offenders to make room for hemp smokers ( Jefferson would shit his pants if he knew the Constitution now allows sexual predators to run wild while hempies - as he was a hemp grower- are locked away for years).

A fellow student at a small New England college one of my cousins attends was killed by one of these maniacs. He even told authorities if they let him out he would kill again. But they had to make room for a guy with a few joints in his pocket. Female and already-born lives mean nothing to our justice system.

[davsand]

35. Bad people can drive cars.

We live in a very small town and I have people say to me they don't understand why my 7 year old daughter is not allowed outside without an adult with her.

I ALWAYS respond with the statement that bad people can drive cars and there is NO place safe enough for my kid to be without supervision.

My heart goes out to that child, that family, and that town. How awful.


Laura

[rainbow4321]

41. Even crowded areas can't prevent child kidnappings.

10 yrs ago there was a young girl <8 yrs old?> kidnapped from one of our playgrounds on a Saturday afternoon..the place was filled with kids, it was right next to a soccer tournament w/ TONS of parents and kids. The little girl had gone to play on the swings while her parents watched her brother play soccer. Her mom said she looked over at the swingset and the girl was gone. No one remembers seeing Ashley Estell leave with her kidnapper, volunteers searched for days afterward. Her body was finally found and he is now in jail. It all happened the weekend I first moved to this "safe", low crime, high income Dallas suburb (Plano). Scary as hell to think that kids are not even safe in a crowd of people...I don't think it was ever confirmed how he managed to get the girl away from the playground, there was a rumor he had a puppy w/ him but he has never told how he did it.

[ultraist]

42. I wouldn't dream of letting my ten year old daughter walk to the store

And we live in one of the safest areas in the country. Yet, there was a child abducted from a bus stop in our area last year.

Most abductions are females who are alone. Safety in numbers! This applies to teens and adult women.

That poor woman in the Walmart parking lot should have had an escort. Especially considering the *security* guard was aware of a lurker and allowed him to loiter in the parking lot. I hope her parents sue the shit out of Walmart for having DANGEROUS working conditions. They should make sure their PRIVATE parking lot for employees is safe.

[yardwork]

44. I remember that case. They have a suspect. Was he arrested?

This guy in Kentucky is probably a serial killer. He'll kill again unless somebody catches him.

I grew up in a small town and walked everywhere by myself when I was ten. I'm so sad that my children don't have that freedom.

[LibDemAlways]

52. In the case I mentioned above, the little

playmate, who was five I think, had the presence of mind to remember a couple of numbers on the license plate and was able to provide an accurate description of the guy and his car. He was arrested and convicted.

By the time I was ten my friends and I spent lots of time playing unsupervised outside. We walked to the store. We went to the movies by ourselves. We walked to school alone. If my parents worried, they never showed it.

My eleven year old has never known that kind of freedom. It's awful that we live in a world where no stranger can be trusted.

[NashVegas]

53. It Never Really Was ...

I was growing up in Hometown USA in the 1960s, and it was made clear at a much younger age than 10 that I was never to get in a car with a stranger. I'm sure we were all told that.

How many of us were ever told why?

[bloom]

56. Crothersville

is in Jackson County. The same county as Seymour. 65 runs through it.


I used to live in a small town in Jackson County...

[indigobusiness]

10. How does this happen?

How does a man do this?

We are in real trouble as a culture.

[mordarlar]

13. A quick look at Yahoo user chats shows just how FUCKED up society has...

become. Go to relationships or education. I could not wash it off when i saw what i saw.

I have written yahoo several times. Apparently their claim is they are not responsible for what happens on the user boards.

[yardwork]

45. The killer is probably a psychopathic serial killer

They get their kicks from killing. They feel no remorse. They're clever and they usually appear to fit into their community.

If they catch this guy, everybody will say they can't believe it, he was such a nice guy, etc. etc.

Google Ted Bundy.

[IndianaGreen]

11. The state police took days to declare an Amber Alert

I don't know why they took so long, but I find that very disturbing.

[rodeodance]

12. a 10 year old--the A. Alert should have been immedidate!!

[IndianaGreen]

19. Police seek a man, 18 to 20 years old, driving a Ford F-150 pickup.

A witness reported seeing the girl in a truck after she disappeared and said Katlyn appeared to be a normal passenger.

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Authorities waited two days to issue the alert for Katlyn because they needed a lead in her disappearance, Goodin said. Guidelines for issuing an alert say authorities must have a lead on a missing child's whereabouts before one can be issued.

Authorities think that Katlyn may have been abducted by an 18- to 20-year-old white male who last was seen driving a late 1980s to early 1990s Ford F-150 pickup, described as being very clean. The suspect was described as being thin, 5 feet 9 inches to 6 feet 1 inch tall, with short dark hair.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/218744-8968-092.html

[thinkingwoman]

18. my 16 year old daughter

was screaming at the TV yesterday about that very fact...why the 2 day delay?

If they're going to wait that long then there's no point in even issuing one really. The point of an Amber Alert is to get pertinent info out to the public quick enough for somebody to see something and prevent tragedy.

She was probably dead before the alert was even issued. So sad.

[ProfessorGAC]

24. Really?

When the little girl in my town disappeared this summer, the amber alert went off 15 minutes after police were notified. They found her later that day, strangely enough, in a stream. Just like this case.

Psychopaths must like the leaving the body in the water, or something. These two cases are similar in that what happened here is what the dad TOLD the cops. However, he's been charged and is in jail awaiting trial for murder.
The Professor

[sendero]

16. I know it is all too easy...

... but this is exactly why I don't oppose the death penalty outright.

Yes, I would have a standard of evidence that is higher than what we have now. But IMHO, if it is proven beyond any doubt who did this, they should forfeit their life.

The fact that they are "sick" is not of interest to me. A rabid dog is "sick" also, and there is nothing we can do but put it down. There is no logic in making this young man's tragedy the tragedy of several others.

[JitterbugPerfume]

21. Crothersville Indiana

is a very Fundy and drug ridden place

that area is almost like a third world country

I know where of I speak because I have family in that area

[Tsiyu]

29. When there is irrefutable evidence

I am in the same category as you. Rabid dogs are put down for the good of society. People who prey on babies for their gratification are like rabid dogs.

[TahitiNut]

31. Of course we'll be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that whomever is caught ...

... will be guilty. That's sure a nice, tidy view of law enforcement. :eyes:

As a matter of fact, it's heinous crimes like these that add to my opposition to the death 'penalty.' I have even less confidence in law enforcement when the angry mobs are dmanding "results."

[daleo]

33. That is a good point

Most of the celebrated cases of mistaken identity in Canada have been sex crime murders. Innocent people would have been sent to their deaths in a number of cases had we kept the death penalty. These types of murders are more likely to catch and convict the wrong person because:

- the police are highly motivated to get someone, and thus can develop tunnel vision when investigating the crime.
- the killer rarely knows the victim, so evidence tends to be thin and circumstantial.
- the prosecutors are highly motivated to get a conviction, so they also develop tunnel vision, ignore exculpatory evidence, etc.
- the stigma of accusation is so strong that the public can't believe the accused can be anything other than guilty.

In one case, DNA evidence overturned a murder conviction but one of the police in the original investigation said the body must have been raped by a passerby after the murder had taken place, which explained the "wrong DNA" being in the victim's body.

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[TahitiNut]

38. Try looking at the results of Project Innocence.

Virtually every one of the death row convicts was accused of some heinous crime like this ... most often involving some sexual perversion. That's how the DNA was collected in so many cases, DNA that ultimately proved (not just "reasonable doubt") them to be innocent.

When the political pressure of a public outry is applied, any scapegoat will do.

Funny how people seek closure (or revenge) and blind themselves to any possibility they're accusing the wrong person - especially when that person doesn't look like "us."

[indigobusiness]

49. You're making an important point here...

the victim pool is enlarged in the all-too-frequent conviction of the innocent by zealous and vengeful prosecution.

[TahitiNut]

50. Ubetcha. And they're the stealthiest and most private of crimes, too.

These aren't collaborative crimes. These aren't crimes where the possession of some material proceeds are evidenced. What's more heinous is that the perpetrators can be family friends or total strangers and witch-hunt rationalizations can be concocted to support either scenario - and can be complete houses of cards besides.

The same reptilian drives can be energized as we saw in "To Kill A Mockingbird." It's a LOT easier to be a bigot when such crimes are alleged - the very notion shortcuts higher-order thinking.

[indigobusiness]

54. Absolutely. That is a perfect example, too.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[MountainLaurel]

43. Read Bloodsworth

All about a similar case: young girl raped and murdered, and the innocent man who was on death row for years before he was able to be exonerated.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565124197/qid=1107204967/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/002-3009029-5894463

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. How sad. May she rest in peace.

This is a perfect example of why my son NEVER goes anywhere alone. Ever. He must go places with a friend/friends or he doesn't go (power in numbers). The world has changed so much since I was 10. :(

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[CBGLuthier]

26. Your compassion overwhelms me

[jasop]

27. So damn true n/t

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[genieroze]

36. Do you know how many times I forgot to buy toilet paper? You

usually remember when you need it. You don't even know if the parents smoke. My kids used to pick up milk or bread for me, I would let them spend the change on gum or ice cream. Then again the store was only a block away with plenty of people around and they were older then 10.

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[AlCzervik]

34. Thats so sad, poor little girl

my own daughter is 10.

[qanda]

39. Why would a 10 year old be running errands?

[yardwork]

46. It's a town of 15,000 where there hasn't been a murder in 25 years

It used to be that running errands like this was part of growing up, in small towns all over America. How sad that it's become unusual because of things like this. What it says about our culture is even sadder.

I'm so sorry that my children don't have the freedoms that I had when I was growing up.

[qanda]

47. I guess I take it for granted,

Living close to a big city, that everyone has the same sense of being vulnerable as myself. I didn't mean to be disrespectful-- I'm sure her parents are asking every question imaginable of what they could have done differently.

[Ellen Forradalom]

48. I grew up in a suburb close to a big city

and I ran errands all the time for my mom. It was not a big deal. That was a generation ago.

[TahitiNut]

55. Me too - but the population was less than half of today's.

Born during WW2, I grew up in the late 40s and 50s, mostly in suburban Detroit with 2 years in Glendale, CA. We had far more extensive on-the-street activities - people weren't huddled in front of various forms of CRT (TV, 'puter, Game Boy, etc.). TV was new. People knew their neighbors because that was how casual recreation and socialization was done. We weren't yet as mobile - most families were lucky to have one car and the two-car garage was very unusual. We were middle working class, had a car, and we very often took the bus and the streetcar rather than drive. (We drove where the bus and streetcar didn't go.) So, people saw a lot more of each other. We didn't get garrulous any more so than we do today, but we sure came in contact more.

[LeftyMom]

51. I did at that age

I was raised by a single parent who could use the help and we lived in a decent neighborhood (it's since gone downhill) so it was a fairly safe thing to do. It still is, stranger abduction is *rare.* So that's my not too long ago (I'm in my 20s) childhood experience in a lower-middle class part of a pretty big city.

Riding in the family car to the store is a greater safety risk.