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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:28 PM Original message |
Gates says he turned down intel-czar job (not Bill) |
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 07:39 PM by seemslikeadream
COLLEGE STATION, Texas Texas A-and-M president Robert Gates says he's declined the job as director of national intelligence.
The former C-I-A director today released a statement saying he'd been offered the position, but has decided to stay put in College Station. The position of "intelligence czar" was recently created by President Bush in response to a recommendation by the Nine-Eleven Commission. ... Gates became A-and-M president in 2002 about a decade after he left the Central Intelligence Agency. http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2882114 |
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moggie12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, never mind, I thought you meant Bill Gates |
Now that would've been interesting..........
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I think he's a Dem. |
Or so I've heard.
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Bill Gates is so rich that he transcends political affiliation |
He's an uber-capitalist.
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Angry Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Then why did he contribute $100k to the Bush inauguration? |
Gates is one of the biggest crooks in history, as is well known among computer professionals.
Here's his hefty donations to the Republicans and the Inauguration: http://www.cobb24.com/?template=inaugural Scroll down to view Microsoft's donations. And then there's this: Among those who have given the maximum $2,000 donation to the Bush re-election campaign are Bill Gates, chairman of the Microsoft Corporation http://www.itfacts.biz/index.php?id=P1009 And back in 2000: Overall, Microsoft and its employees were the country's fifth-largest political donor in the 2000 election -- contributing $4.7 million to politicians and their committees. Republicans received about 53 percent of that money. http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views01/0701-07.htm |
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Sabriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That's what I thought. And I thought it was Intel, too. |
Hmmmm, Intel and Microsoft? Egad!
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NYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I thought he meant Daryl Gates. |
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moggie12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Now that's an idea |
He certainly did a bang-up job with the LAPD -- just the kind of guy BushCo would like.
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NYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. That's why I thought of him. |
He really does fit the Bush mold.
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. I thought you meant Bill Gates too! |
He can't even make Windows tamper-proof. God help us if he was in charge of our nation's intelligence.
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Ok I added Bill |
to avoid confusion.
Thanks everyone :hi: |
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proudbluestater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
8. I am really getting tired of the TEXASIFICATION of the US govt. |
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 08:59 PM by proudbluestater
Qualifications mean absolutely nothing. You live in Texas? You a friend of mine and my daddy's? You're IN.
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NYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I've noticed that, too. |
Read Farewell America by James Hepburn. There is an interesting chapter in there on Texas.
http://www.jfk-online.com/farewell00.html The entire book is online. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
11. Robert Gates is a traitor. |
While working for Jimmy Carter as a mid-level CIA White House staffer, the little turd helped the Reagan-Bush campaign. The allegations go from helping pilfer Carter's debate briefing book (with Donald Gregg) to helping Ollie North keep tabs on the goings-on of the Desert One hostage rescue fiasco. Some (including me) suggest the beady eyed schmuck Gates even accompanied Poppy to Paris (Madrid) to meet with the Ayatollah's emissaries during the October Surprise in 1980.The record shows this guy should be looking at six or seven life terms -- if he's lucky and has a good lawyer.
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Scum rises to the top of the BFEE pond. |
Robert Gates has a long history of helping the Bush Family Evil Empire:
BFEE Business Model: Ill-gotten gain of ill-gotten gains. Whatever Means Necessarty What happened to Saddam and Noriega make case studies of the BFEE standard business model. What they do is set up a proxy. “Our Man in Panama.” “Our Man in Baghdad.” Arm the guy to the teeth, or at least to the point where he’s a threat to public safety. Then, here’s W’s favorite part: Get the guy to loot his country for them. Then, the BFEE continues to use him and his nation for whatever they got. After it’s convenient, and all the resources or gold have been collected in one spot, the BFEE sets in motion Part II. Bush, through his cut-outs, steal what their minions have gotten in ill-gotten gains. So, Bush gets rich and the rest of the world gets poor, at best. Dead, without remorse on the part of Bush, at worst. Exact same thing happened in BCCI. Nugan Hand Bank. Savings & Loans Looting. Banco L’Ambrosiano. Banco Nazionale del Lavoro. ENRON. Global Crossing. Tyco. Etc, etc. Always the same thing: Others do the work. Others took the risk. Others lose their money. Others take the loss. Stolen by a middleman or dick-tater. Who in turn is ripped off by Bushco. They do it at home, too. Through the fiscal policy that benefits the very wealthiest. And what’s really neat, for those with a criminal bent in their character, they’ve polluted the judiciary to the point where even some judges on the Supreme Court go along with it. Who’d a thought such a thing were possible? Go back to previous topic Forum Name General Discussion Topic subject A Short History of Saddam-Bush-Noriega Business Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1213525 1213525, A Short History of Saddam-Bush-Noriega Business Posted by Octafish on Wed Mar-10-04 12:23 AM This explains a lot... A Short History of Saddam-Bush-Noriega Business Conspiracy Planet "Saddam Hussein is a guy who came to power through a CIA instigated coup," writes political analyst Al Martin in his column "Saddam, Watch Out for that Soap" published on Al Martin Raw: Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence (www.almartinraw.com ) Author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider," Martin, comparing former Panamanian strongman Antonio Noriega with Saddam Hussein, Martin writes, "And don't imagine for one minute what Noriega thought that all the documentation, all the tapes, and all the photos that he had of his meetings with George Bush, Bill Casey and Oliver North, in which North is complaining about Noriega asking for a per kilogram cocaine increase in his kickback money of CIA coke that's moving through Panama, which Noriega had recorded at the Intercontinental Hotel in Panama City, when North was there in that infamous meeting of December 10, 1985 (See "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" by Al Martin for the details.) "Noriega thought there's no way they can come after me. SNIP… "It should also be remembered how CIA doper George Morales supposedly slipped on a bar of soap in prison and was killed when his head hit the floor," Martin reminds his readers. "That was one day before he was due to be released -- when he was going to Washington to testify before the Kerry Committee hearing." CONTINUED… http://www.prisonplanet.com/12200saddamnoriega.html 1214677, Self-kick to teach DUers about the BFEE! Posted by Octafish on Wed Mar-10-04 11:36 AM Read and learn why the Bush Organized Crime Family must be stopped. Otherwise, what the fuck are we doing here? 1214760, I'm just beginning to read "warbusiness" Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Mar-10-04 12:00 PM very long but very good. http://www.zwnews.com/warbusiness.doc one tiny snip: In April 2001, an MPRI representative met with the Pentagon’s regional director for Central Africa to discuss the company’s hopes of winning the contract to train Equatorial Guinea’s forces. “They may need our help or moral support,” Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski wrote in a memo on the meeting, obtained by ICIJ under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. She quoted the MPRI representative as saying that Equatorial Guinea was “the Kuwait of the Gulf of Guinea” and, in a briefing paper three months later, advanced that characterization to “a possible ‘Kuwait of Africa’ with huge oil reserves” that was “US-friendly for both investment and security reasons.” Kwiatkowski also noted in her April memo that the highest-ranking U.S. official to meet with Obiang when he visited Washington early in 2001 was an assistant secretary of agriculture – that after French President Jacques Chirac had spared time to meet with him. Despite concerns about Equatorial Guinea’s human rights record, Obiang’s currency rose dramatically after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. When he visited the United States as it marked the first anniversary of the attacks, Obiang was among 10 African leaders to meet with President George Bush for talks on the prospect of war with Iraq and peace and development on the African continent. ended up here because of this: If you've been reading the news the last few days you may have noticed this odd and somewhat mysterious story of a US-registered cargo plane loaded with 64 "mercernaries" and various military equipment which was impounded Sunday night at Harare International Airport in Zimbabwe "after its owners had made a false declaration of its cargo and crew." When asked about it on Monday, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said "We have no indication this aircraft is connected to the U.S. government." That seemed like a rather less than unequivocal response. And behind the scenes US government officials said they didn't believe the US government had any connection with this operation. But they wanted to make sure before saying anything definitive. Now, if you look at the press accounts, what's caught people's attention is the US registry of the plane. Specifically, it's registered to a company called Dodson Aviation, which is based in Kansas. Now, Dodson says they sold the plane to a "reputable" firm in South Africa about a week ago. "I think they were going to use it for charter flights," company director Robert Dodson told the Associated Press. Now here's a little more detail. Dodson Aviation of Kansas has a South African subsidiary, Dodson International Parts SA Ltd (According to their website, "Dodson International Parts SA (Pty) Ltd is the African division of United States based companies Dodson International Parts Inc. and Dodson Aviation. The company was established in 1998 and is based at Wonderboom Airport, Pretoria.") And it was from this subsidiary's hangar at an airport just north of Pretoria that the aforementioned mercenaries boarded the plane. Now, here's where this gets a little murky. I wanted to find out more about Dodson International Parts SA Ltd. What I found something out about was a company that sounded very similar: a South African company called Dodson Aviation Maintenance and Spare Parts. They're also in the airplane business. Not exactly the same name. But remember, the South African company is the subsidiary of two American companies, Dodson Aviation and Dodson International. If these aren't the same company, or closely related companies, I'd figure they often get confused for one another. In any case, here's what I found about Dodson Aviation Maintenance and Spare Parts. They come up in the December 2000 Report of the Panel of Experts to the United Nations on Sierra Leone, in the section of the report dealing with the arms trade. Here's the section that caught my eye (italics added) ... 187. Fred Rindel a retired officer of the South African Defence Force and former Defence Attaché to the United States, has played a key role in the training of a Liberian anti-terrorist unit, consisting of Liberian soldiers and groups of foreigners, including citizens of Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Niger and The Gambia. 188. The panel interviewed Mr Rindel extensively. Rindel was contracted as a security consultant by President Charles Taylor in September 1998, and training started in November 1998. The contract included consultancy services and strategic advice to convert Charles Taylor's former rebel militia into a professional unit. The Anti-Terrorist Unit is used in Liberia to protect government buildings, the Executive Mansion and the international airport, and to provide VIP Security and the protection of foreign embassies. The numbers trained were approximately 1200. Because of negative media attention, Rindel cancelled his contract in Liberia in August 2000. 189. In 1998, ECOMOG identified a plane, registration number N71RD, owned by a South African company, Dodson Aviation Maintenance and Spare Parts, as having carried weapons to Robertsfield in September of that year. The plane is a Gulfstream 14-seater business jet that cannot be used for arms transport, but there are other relevant connections. Fred Rindel was the owner of Dodson. The company was closed on 31 December 1998, but during the period under investigation, the plane was leased to, and operated by, Greater Holdings (Liberia) Ltd., a company with gold and diamond concessions in Liberia. The plane was used for the transport of the Greater Holdings' staff to and from Liberia. Mr. Rindel's name came up earlier in 2000 in testimony at the UN Security Council by then-UN Ambassador Richard C. Holbrooke in a discussion of Sierra Leone (italics added) ... In regard to arms trafficking to Sierra Leone, Mr. Chairman, we remain concerned and I would like to add a few more items to the record. The principal Africa countries involved in arms trafficking to the RUF - though they deny it - include Burkina Faso, Liberia and Libya. In 1999, planes landed in Ouagadougou, allegedly coming from the Ukraine, with several tons of small arms and ammunition. This incident, which the Ukrainians say has stopped, is one that we believe should be brought to the attention of your committee. In regard to trafficking, arms brokers have played a vital role in keeping the RUF supplied with weapons and other military materiel. A well-known arms and diamond dealer in Sierra Leone, Zief Morganstein, in July 1999 arranged for a Continental Aviation-based charter out of Dakar to fly a shipment of small arms from Bulgaria to Sierra Leone. Last year the RUF received 68 tons of weapons from Bulgaria, which Morganstein may have helped arrange. There have been other connections between former government officials from South Africa during its Apartheid regime who now operate as private individuals, including Fred Rindel, the South African Defense Attache in Washington, who now works as a security consultant in Liberia and trains Liberian troops and RUF insurgents. There are other charges about other businessmen who are reportedly helping the Sierra Leone government coming from various countries around the world. Now, I've scanned the news coverage of this and I haven't seen any mention of this seeming connection. So perhaps these are two utterly unrelated companies? As of Tuesday the situation in Zimbabwe seems to be calming down, though now there are apparently fears in Equatorial Guinea that these mercenaries were somehow intended to assist a coup in that country. (No, I can't keep up either.) "Some 15 mercenaries have been arrested here," the country's Information Minister Agustin Nse Nfumu told Reuters. "It was connected with that plane in Zimbabwe. They were the advance party of that group." Equatorial Guinea is next door to Gabon. And Joe Wilson used to be the US Ambassador there back in the day. So maybe he can make some sense of this. I can't. But I'd be very interested to talk to the investigators who put together that UN report and see if there's any connection between Dodson International Parts SA Ltd and Dodson Aviation Maintenance and Spare Parts. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ 1214963, Thanks! They play footsie w/unsavory characters & stick us w/the bill Posted by Bucky on Wed Mar-10-04 01:00 PM 1215211, Historical reminders Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Mar-10-04 02:09 PM With news of President George W. Bush's bombing of Iraq on February 16th, here are some historical reminders as to who helped build Saddam Hussein's power -- former President George H. W. Bush, with the assistance of Secretary of State James Baker. Also included is information about Dick Cheney and George W.'s business dealings in the Gulf region. (Unless otherwise indicated, all quoted excerpts are from the article linked at the bottom of that section.) Arming his "Hitler" Dick Cheney was Bush's Defense Secretary while Bush Sr. covertly armed and funded Hussein's military right up to the Kuwaiti invasion in August 1990, eventually leaving the American taxpayers holding $2 Billion in defaulted Iraqi debt. Was Cheney simply "out of the loop" or asleep at the wheel? Or something worse? Secretary of State James Baker was Bush's right hand man in the Iraqgate scheme. "And it emphasized the striking fact -- buried deep in a 1991 Washington Press piece -- that Secretary of State James Baker, after meeting with Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz in October 1989, intervened personally to support U.S. government loan guarantees to Iraq." Prior to the invasion, Kuwait had been slant drilling at the Iraq-Kuwait border into Iraq's oil, with equipment from National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft's former company. Bush's ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Hussein that the US "took no position" on Iraq's dispute with Kuwait. Five Days later, Iraq invaded. Then Bush ramped up Operation Desert Shield. During this phase Bush refused any offers from Hussein to withdraw and save face. The result was full-scale war -- Desert Storm. Although Bush's propaganda apparatus told the Iraqi people to rise up against Hussein -- and our troops would support them -- Bush reneged and pulled back our troops. Ultimately, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens were injured or killed, with an environmental holocaust as a result of oil spills in the Gulf, and Hussein's troops setting fire to Kuwaiti oil wells. Tragically, Hussein remained in power, and continued to oppress his citizens and slaughter the Kurdish people (see Mark Zepezauer's "The CIA's Greatest Hits" and Alan Friedman's "Spider's Web"). http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/93/2/iraqgate.asp The Teicher Affidavit "Howard Teicher, who served on Reagan's National Security Council staff, offered an affidavit in the Teledyne case that declared that CIA director William J. Casey and his deputy, Robert M. Gates, 'authorized, approved and assisted' delivery of cluster bombs to Iraq through Cardoen (In These Times, 3/6/95)." Years earlier, during his 1991 confirmation hearings for Bush's CIA Director, "Gates denied under oath that he had played a role in Cardoen cluster bomb sales to Iraq, as arms dealers had charged. Teicher's affidavit provides new evidence that Gates misled the Senate." The government promptly sealed the Teicher affidavit as a "state secret". Dating back to the early '80's, the Iraqgate scheme was directed by then-Vice President George Bush (see above-linked CJR article). "Teicher's affidavit also bolsters a New Yorker article (11/2/92) by reporters Murray Waas and Craig Unger, which asserted that Vice President George Bush in 1986 urged Saddam Hussein to intensify his air war against Iran -- in order to increase Iran's demand for U.S.- made anti-aircraft weapons." In other words, Bush was running the Iraqgate operation while "in the loop" of Iran-Contra, as Weinberger's notes proved. And Iran-Contra was far from a noble operation to "rescue hostages" and "fight communism". http://www.fair.org/extra/9505/iraqgate.html Media Blackout "Given the significance of the Teledyne trial and Teicher's affidavit in judging the actions and integrity of the Reagan/Bush and Clinton administrations, why the near-total press blackout? Part of it is the power of 'conventional wisdom' -- Washington insiders have decided that Iraqgate didn't happen, so any evidence to the contrary doesn't register. Another reason might be the residual fear of conservative attacks against journalists who plumb the crimes of the Reagan/Bush era too deeply. It's easier to dismiss such issues as 'ancient history' -- a term that somehow doesn't get applied to stories about 15-year-old Arkansas land deals." Indeed, a recent article by the otherwise exemplary Sean Wilentz inaccurately labeled as a "pseudo-scandal" the Bush scheme to fund Iraq through the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL). Nothing could be further from the truth, as the above-linked Columbia Journalism article states, "Most say that the so-called Iraqgate scandal is far more significant then either Watergate or Iran-Contra, both in its scope and its consequences." http://www.fair.org/extra/9505/iraqgate.html "The Shadow CIA" In a Spy article ("Inside the Shadow CIA", Sept. 1992), investigative journalist John Connolly exposed that the Wackenhut Corporation had been involved in the Iraqgate scheme. "...after a six-month investigation, in the course of which we spoke to more than 300 people, we believe we know what the truck did contain-equipment necessary for the manufacture of chemical weapons-and where it was headed : to Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And the Wackenhut Corporation -- a publicly traded company with strong ties to the CIA and federal contracts worth $200 million a year -- was making sure Saddam would be getting his equipment intact." Could it be that Gulf War Syndrome is somehow related to such chemical weaponry? George Wackenhut is a long-time friend of George Bush Sr., and he has contributed generously to the campaigns of George Sr., George W. and especially his state's governor -- Jeb Bush. Has Wackenhut Corp helped the Bushes with other operations as well -- especially a recent biggie in Florida? http://www.pdxnorml.org/WACKEN.HUT.html Dubya and BCCI George W's obscure little Harken Energy was awarded an incredible contract by the Bahraini government to drill in the Persian Gulf. But like everything Junior touches, it soon turned to fool's gold. "On June 22, 1990, George Jr. sold two-thirds of his Harken stock for $848,560 -- a cool 200 percent profit. The move was well timed. One week after Junior sold his stock, Harken announced a $23.2 million loss in quarterly earnings and Harken stock dropped sharply, losing 60 percent of its value over the next six months. On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops moved into Kuwait and 541,000 U.S. forces were deployed to the Gulf. There is substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits in the weeks before he sold the $848,560 of Harken stock." "George Jr. also violated Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) regulations which require 'insider' stock deals to be reported promptly, in Bush's case by July 10, 1990. He didn't file the stock sale with the SEC until the first week of March 1991." Nevertheless, the Bush I Administration SEC eventually cleared Dubya. The below article also mentions Jr's ties to BCCI -- the CIA/Syndicate banking laundromat -- which has been linked to BNL and Iraqgate. "Meanwhile, a cloak-and-dagger aura surrounds Junior's business dealings. James Bath, a Texas entrepreneur who invested $50,000 in Arbusto Energy, may be a business cutout for the CIA. Bath also acted as an investment 'adviser' to Saudi Arabian oil sheikhs, linked to the outlaw BCCI, which also has ties to the CIA." Sadly, we will never know into whose secret bank accounts disappeared all those billions skimmed from the Iran-Contra & Iraqgate arms sales, Contra drug running, BCCI money laundering and the Savings and Loans lootings. Before he met his untimely demise, investigative reporter Danny Casolaro was trying to untangle what he called "The Octopus" linking these and other CIA-based criminal operations during the Reagan-Bush years. Perhaps some of those laundered megabucks went to the accounts of the family of a certain former CIA Director for whom the Langley headquarters' is named? http://mediafilter.org/caq/BushFamilyPreys.html General McCaffrey -- War Criminal? "An investigative report for the New Yorker by veteran muckraker Seymour Hersh alleges that Clinton drug czar Barry McCaffrey orchestrated a 1991 massacre of hundreds of Iraqi troops , two days after a cease-fire went into effect at the end of the Gulf War." http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/15/hersh/index.html Cheney Plunders Still Trading With The Enemy: "During former defense secretary Richard Cheney's five-year tenure as chief executive of Halliburton, Inc., his oil services firm raked in big bucks from dubious commercial dealings with Iraq. Cheney left Halliburton with a $34 million retirement package last July when he became the GOP's vice-presidential candidate." Cheney and Halliburton exploited loopholes in the US sanction orders that enabled them to deal with Iraq. Lately, the Bush-Cheney Administration has announced that they are backing Iraqi opposition groups. But as with any Bush Administration, public proclamations are often at variance with actual policy. As this report documents, the earlier Reagan-Bush administrations were guilty of double-dealing -- especially in backing both Iraq AND Iran while they were at war. By the way, George W. has appointed various foreign policy advisors from the Reagan-Bush Administrations -- such as Condoleeza Rice, Richard Armitage, Colin Powell and Robert Zoellick. Just what exactly were they doing while Iraqgate was going on? We already know that Powell and Armitage were up to their eyeballs in Iran-Contra. (Read more about Cheney and Halliburton's profiting in the aftermath of the Gulf War and in other hot spots at Cheney Led Halliburton To Feast at Federal Trough and Who is Dick Cheney?) http://www.sfbg.com/reality/04.html Cheney's Lies About Halliburton & Iraq By JASON LEOPOLD This is my last ditch effort to show the hypocrisy within President Bush's administration regarding its policies toward Iraq and its President, Saddam Hussein, just as the United States and Britain prepares to invade the country. It was only five years ago when Vice President Dick Cheney, as chief executive of the oil-field supply corporation, Halliburton Co., was engaged in secret business dealings with Saddam's regime by selling Iraq oil production equipment and spare parts to get the Iraqi oil fields up and running, according to confidential United Nations records. During the 2000 presidential campaign, Cheney adamantly denied such dealings. While he acknowledged that his company did business with Libya and Iran through foreign subsidiaries, Cheney said, "Iraq's different." He claimed that he imposed a "firm policy" prohibiting any unit of Halliburton against trading with Iraq. "I had a firm policy that we wouldn't do anything in Iraq, even arrangements that were supposedly legal," Cheney said on the ABC-TV news program "This Week" on July 30, 2000. "We've not done any business in Iraq since U.N. sanctions were imposed on Iraq in 1990, and I had a standing policy that I wouldn't do that." But it turns out that Cheney was lying. It's only through the sale of Iraqi oil that Saddam would be able to afford to obtain such weapons. If Saddam was in fact building nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, which some news reports allege could be used against American and British troops, Cheney is partially responsible. http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold03202003.html |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Gates is famous for his Desert One expertise... |
Below are extracts from Robert Gates' book, From the Shadows. Gates, a former Director of the CIA, had little trouble clearing his book through the CIA's Publications Review Board. In fact he received documents from the CIA and the National Security Council to assist him in writing the book -- a priviledge usually granted only non-critics. We have little way of knowing where the CIA has impacted on the book's details, or to what degree Gates selectively portrays events, since he is infamous for distorting intelligence.
With that in mind, Gates' book provides information on covert activities that in some cases is quite revealing and supported by subsequent developments or independent reporting. He stresses the CIA's use of the theme of "Human Rights Abuses," as a catch phrase used to speed the downfall of the Soviet Empire. This is particularly relevant today where all sorts of stories re target countries' human right abuses flood our media. Many of these stories are written by groups funded by, or presumed funded by, the U.S. government. Many such stories are picked up by the U.S. media and given wide-spread domestic as well as worldwide dissemination. SNIP... iran, 79-80 after hostages seized, six americans escaped to the Canadian embassy, where they were hidden. a CIA officer using commercial cover, brought false identities for the six and managed to get them out. Efforts via c-130 transport to rescue the hostages. the CIA scouted a landing site for desert one and got info re the inside of the embassy compound. Site identified and office of technical services devised battery-powered landing lights that could be easily switched on and off remotely from air. a trial flight two weeks before attempt. one pilot placed lights and another scouted area on a motorcycle. CIA acquired source inside the embassy and rented a warehouse and acquired trucks for the rescue. military complained that CIA efforts inadequate. Gates, r. (1996). From The Shadows 154 CONTINUED... http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/RM/RM.gates |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Has anyone seen Jimmy Carter's debate book? |
Mr. Gates, you HAVE been a busy little turd, haven't you?
The Persian Gulf TV War Douglas Kellner EXCERPT... Negative images continued to flow from the Middle East and as disillusionment with the war set in, the rampant nationalism and militarism of the spring and early summer subsided. During the summer of 1991, Bush's administration was involved in several controversies. Robert Gates, one of inner circle of Bush's war team, was nominated to head the CIA, and his confirmation was temporarily threatened because of his role in the Iran/Contra scandals, the arming of Iraq, and the CIA scandals of the Casey era. Gates had obviously doctored intelligence information to serve the political ends of his bosses and had been wrongon theSoviet Union, continuing to push the "evil empire" line at the moment when the Soviet empire was disintegrating and the Soviets were beginning to reform their society. Gates had opposed sanctions against Saddam Hussein's regime, despite its human rights record, and had been in favor of arms sales to Iraq. No matter. Bush was able once again to get his crony Gates confirmed as head of the CIA, as the Congress allowed Bush to get away once again with unconscionable political choices. Likewise, Bush's nomination for the Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas, appeared to be totally unqualified for the position and was caught up in dramatic charges of sexual harassment by one of his former employees, Anita Hill. Yet,he too was appointed after extremely divisive hearings and congressional debate. On August 5, 1991, Congress announced that it would undertake formal inquiries into claims that the1980 Reagan/Bushelection team, including George Bush, had met with Iranians to hold U.S. hostages in Tehran until after the election, a treasonous act, which, if true, would be the greatest political scandal of the century. Gary Sick's TheOctober Surprise, published in the Fall of 1991 documented the scandal and questions were raised concerning the role of Bush in the Reagan administration and its many scandals. By the fall of 1992, it appeared that the U.S. "victory" was pyrrhic and short lived. Bush's popularity slowly but steadily declined and questions were raised in Congress and the press concerning thelevel of U.S.military spending. The collapse of the Soviet Union and waning of militarism led to some cutbacks in defense spending in 1992, including cancellation of some major weapons programs and a decision to concentrate on research and development rather than weapons production (see New York Times, Jan 2X, 1991, p. A1). The U.S. military budget was steadily reduced and new weapons systems were canceled. Further, the U.S. seemed unable to affect the course of world events after the war. There was no solution to any of the problems in the Middle East in the aftermath of the war, Japan became increasingly aggressive in asserting its own interests, and the United States seemed strangely irrelevant to the collapse of theSoviet Union and the moves toward European economic and political union. The Gulf war thus appeared to be a short-term solution to the political problems of George Bush and the U.S. military that affected no significant change in theU.S.economy or world politics. CONTINUED... http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:0pSLjf0RMgcJ:www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/gulfwarch10.pdf+robert-gates+debate-book&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 This is the html version of the file http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/gulfwarch10.pdf. Other than that..., he's a real nice fellow. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Sometimes I just want to give up |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. It takes two to tango with the like of the "Fiends of Bush," the BFEE. |
Hey, didja hear what the CIA did to some poor cat in Acoustic Kitty? Document 27 Memorandum for: Source: Donation In a project known as “Acoustic Kitty” the Directorate of Science and Technology sought to train a surgically altered cat, wired with transmitting and control devices, to become a mobile, eavesdropping platform. In its first test, the cat was run over by a taxi. According to Victor Marchetti: ...they slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up. The tail was used as an antenna. They made a monstrosity. They tested him and tested him. They found he would walk off the job when he got hungry, so they put another wire in to override that. Finally, they’re ready. They took it out to a park bench and said “Listen to those two guys. Don’t listen to anything else – not the birds, no cat or dog – just those two guys!” ... They put him out of the van, and a taxi comes and runs him over. There they were, sitting in the van with all those dials, and the cat was dead!3 This heavily redacted memo appears to express the view that cats can be altered and trained to perform certain tasks. At the same time, it notes that “the environment and security factors in using this technique in a real foreign situation force us to conclude that, for our SOURCE w/link to PDF: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/ |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Just who's idea was it to give all that stuff to the Afghans? |
Afghans aim to buy back old missiles
Posted on Mon, Jan. 31, 2005 By Stephen Graham ASSOCIATED PRESS KABUL, Afghanistan - Authorities are launching a new push to collect U.S.-made Stinger missiles distributed to Afghans fighting Soviet troops in the 1980s in an effort to keep the weapons from terrorists and governments, including Iran, an Afghan official said Sunday. The Afghan intelligence service is offering to buy the anti-aircraft missiles for an undisclosed sum, taking up a CIA program to recover weapons given to Islamic fundamentalists who battled the Soviets alongside Osama bin Laden in the 1980s. ... The CIA in the 1980s supplied an estimated 2,000 Stingers to Afghan mujahedeen rebels, who put the heat-seeking, shoulder-fired missiles to deadly use against Soviet helicopters and transport planes. But since the Soviet withdrawal in 1989, the United States has been trying to buy back unused missiles for fear governments or terrorist organizations could get hold of a weapon equally effective against civilian airliners. It is unclear how many remain unaccounted for, despite cash offers reportedly as high as $150,000 each. ... Some of the Stingers distributed in Afghanistan went to Islamic radicals such as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a former prime minister now accused of sponsoring attacks on U.S. and government forces in Afghanistan. Dozens reportedly fell into the hands of the Taliban in the 1990s, with others smuggled as far afield as Sri Lanka, the Balkans and Iran. more http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/107776... Tell us what we've won, Johnny One by-product of Reaganism, though, has been the mess in Afghanistan. Reagan directed the CIA to funnel enormous material support to Islamist rebels fighting the Soviet army in Afghanistan in the mid 1980s. Among the aid we gave Afghan Mujahideen were shoulder-held Stinger missiles, which wreaked havoc on Soviet helicopter gunships and are now a primary source of concern for our counter-terrorism efforts. It is well known that Osama Bin Laden cut his teeth as a guerilla fighter during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Once Gorbachev withdrew Soviet forces in 1989, the resulting power vacuum ensured the eventual emergence of the Taliban, as Gorbachev feared would happen. In other words, in pursuit of ratcheting up conflict with the Soviet Union, Reagan helped sow the seeds of our greatest existing menace. Ronald Reagan became a star in the world of make believe. His hagiographers appear determined to carry on that legacy by crediting him with bringing about the exctinction of the Evil Empire. Their hope is that we won't remember the much more sobering legacy he actually left us. more http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=136 Proclamation 5165 -- Afghanistan Day, 1984 March 20, 1984 By the President of the United States of America A Proclamation For much of the world spring is now beginning. It is a time of new life, renewal, freshness, and hope. For the people of Afghanistan, March 21 is the traditional celebration of the New Year, the beginning of the cycle of life. It is a period of rejoicing and celebration for life's regeneration as a gift of God. But today, for most of the people of Afghanistan, the March 21 New Year brings only the renewal of fighting, destruction, and death. For more than four years, the armed forces of the Soviet Union have occupied Afghanistan. More than 100,000 Soviet soldiers now occupy that beleaguered country. The overwhelming majority of the Afghan people are struggling against the Soviet occupation troops and the puppet regime headed by Babrak Karmal. It is a regime that is maintained only by Soviet force. Afghan resistance to Marxist rule grew dramatically after the Soviet invasion, and it has now spread throughout the country. A solution to the Afghanistan problem must begin with the removal of the Soviet troops. A negotiated political settlement can be achieved if the Soviet Union agrees to withdraw its military forces of occupation. The goal of United States policy remains clear and consistent. We seek the removal of Soviet military forces so that the Afghan people can live freely in their own country and are able to choose their own way of life and government. Hope, it is said, springs eternal. We continue to hope that a negotiated settlement can be found, a settlement which fulfills the conditions spelled out five times in resolutions resoundingly endorsed by the General Assembly of the United Nations. These resolutions, passed by the overwhelming majority of the world's nations, call for the immediate withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan; reaffirm the right of the Afghan people to determine their own form of government and to choose their economic, political, and social system; reiterate that the preservation of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, political independence, and nonaligned character of Afghanistan is essential for a peaceful solution of the problem; and call for the creation of the conditions which would enable the Afghan refugees to return voluntarily to their homes in safety and honor. We stand in admiration of the indomitable will and courage of the Afghan people who continue their resistance to tyranny. All freedom-loving people around the globe should be inspired by the Afghan people's struggle to be free and the heavy sacrifices they bear for liberty. Afghanistan Day will serve to recall the fundamental principles involved when a people struggles for the freedom to determine its own future and the right to be free of foreign interference. Let us therefore resolve to pay tribute to the brave Afghan people by observing March 21, 1984 as Afghanistan Day. Let us pledge our continuing admiration for their cause and for their perseverance, and lend our support to the Afghan refugees in Pakistan. Let us redouble our determination to help find a negotiated settlement that will enable the Afghan people to again welcome spring without the suffering brought by war, but with celebration and joy. Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim March 21, 1984, as Afghanistan Day. In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this 20th day of March, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and eighth. Ronald Reagan http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/resource/speeches/1984/32084c.htm Reagan's Dark Global Legacy From Afghanistan to El Salvador Reagan's Dark Global Legacy By DENNIS HANS Afghanistan. "Ronnie Poppy." This opium flower honors President Reagan's contribution to the explosive growth of the Afghan heroin industry in the 1980s through his unconditional support for the most extreme Islamic fundamentalists who were justifiably opposed to the murderous Soviet occupation.... Angola. "The Gipper Stump." This polished-oak peg leg features a heart-felt message from the Cold War commander-in-chief, who worked with the South African apartheid state to keep Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA terrorists armed and dangerous,..... Argentina. "The Reagan Islands." Technically, the former Falkland/Malvinas Islands are no longer the property of Argentina, but Argentinians voted for the new name to honor Ronnie's role in the restoration of civilian rule in their country..... Cambodia. "Reagan Skull Bag." This handy Khmer Rouge carrying sack holds up to 25 skulls. The Skull Bag recognizes the Reagan administration's unstinting support for Pol Pot's assaults on Cambodians from 1981 to 1989,..... Costa Rica. "El Rancho Reagan." The former "front farm" of a CIA and contra collaborator, El Rancho Reagan is preserved in its mid-1980s pristine prime..... El Salvador. "The Reagan Missionary Position." No, not a sexual position for raping American churchwomen (for that would be in poor taste), but a position as in a stand. The Reagan Missionary Position, formulated by high officials Al Haig and Jeane Kirkpatrick, is that the three nuns and one layworker were pro-Marxist "political activists" and thus hardly innocent..... Guatemala. "The Reagan 'Bum Rap' Rap." Grandmaster Ronnie first laid down this rap in 1982 to discredit reports by Amnesty International and others of the army's slaughter of thousands of Indian villagers in the first months of General Efrain Rios Montt's rule..... Honduras. "Reagan's Rascals." The crazy cut-ups of Battalion 316 comprised a secret unit of CIA-backed torturers and murderers. They rid Honduras of real and imagined subversives and dissidents,.... Haiti. "Ronnie Doc." Duvalier loyalists awarded Reagan the highest degree a Haitian can steal, the Doctor of Kleptocracy..... Kurdistan. "Reagan Red Hot." Nothing's more appetizing than human skin drenched with mustard, or for that matter, mustard gas, which is what a "Reagan Red Hot" hot dog is..... Laos. "Ronnie Rain." In the mountains of Laos, April showers dump bee feces on flowers. Ronnie Rain salutes the 1982 White House "Yellow Rain" disinformation campaign - spread by the demented Wall Street Journal editorial board..... Lebanon. "The Reagan Wink." It's as good as a nod. Go into the home of any member of the Lebanese Phalange militia and you'll see a glossy photo of the handsome Gipper closing his right eye. In 1982, Reagan engineered the withdrawal of PLO soldiers from Beirut by guaranteeing the safety of Palestinian civilians left behind..... Nicaragua. "The Reagan Wall." Modeled after the U.S. memorial to Americans who died in Vietnam, the Reagan Wall lists the names of the thousands of civilians murdered by "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers" (Ronnie's pet name for the contras)..... South Africa. "The Reagan White House." Not a replica of the Pennsylvania Avenue edifice but a Johannesburg mansion that harkens back to a simpler time when whiteness reigned supreme in Pretoria, to the delight of President Reagan. Pay the admission price of ten rand and hassle the black servants, demand to see their pass books, and interrogate the Nelson Mandela look-alike in the basement cell..... Zaire. "Reagan Cane." Before he was chased into exile, President Mobutu Sese Seko high-stepped with this gold-encrusted walking stick. In its day, the Reagan Cane was ideal for maintaining balance or whacking a dissident..... more http://www.counterpunch.org/hans06072004.html |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Abolish the CIA was one reviewer's recommendation... |
... with good reason. With damn good reason.
Abolish the CIA! by Chalmers Johnson Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan and bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to 10 September 2001, by Steve Coll, New York: Penguin, 2004, 695 pp, $29.95. Steve Coll ends his important book on Afghanistan by quoting Afghan President Hamid Karzai: "What an unlucky country." Americans might find this a convenient way to ignore what their government did in Afghanistan between 1979 and the present, but luck had nothing to do with it. Brutal, incompetent, secret operations of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, frequently manipulated by the military intelligence agencies of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, caused the catastrophic devastation of this poor country. On the evidence contained in Coll's book Ghost Wars, neither the Americans nor their victims in numerous Muslim and Third World countries will ever know peace until the Central Intelligence Agency has been abolished. It should by now be generally accepted that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan on Christmas Eve 1979 was deliberately provoked by the United States. In his memoir published in 1996, the former CIA director Robert Gates made it clear that the American intelligence services began to aid the mujahedin guerrillas not after the Soviet invasion, but six months before it. In an interview two years later with Le Nouvel Observateur, President Carter's national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski proudly confirmed Gates' assertion. "According to the official version of history," Brzezinski said, "CIA aid to the mujahedin began during 1980, that's to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan. But the reality, kept secret until now, is completely different: on 3 July 1979 President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And on the same day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained that in my opinion this aid would lead to a Soviet military intervention." Asked whether he in any way regretted these actions, Brzezinski replied: "Regret what? The secret operation was an excellent idea. It drew the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? On the day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, saying, in essence: 'We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.'" Nouvel Observateur: "And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?" Brzezinski: "What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?" CONTINUED... http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=3927 Hey, Bush! How's it feel to be a mass murderer? Just like your Poppy. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
14. Figures he is from Texas!!! Thats really whats going on |
Texas has taken over this country!!!
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. C.I.A. Chief (Gates) Under First Bush Says He Has Declined New Job |
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 11:21 PM by truthpusher
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/01/politics/01gates.html
C.I.A. Chief Under First Bush Says He Has Declined New Job By DOUGLAS JEHL Published: February 1, 2005 WASHINGTON, Jan. 31 - Robert M. Gates, who was director of central intelligence under the first President Bush, said on Monday that he had turned down a request from the White House to return to Washington as the first director of national intelligence. Mr. Gates's decision appears to leave the White House without a leading candidate to fill the job, which was created by Congress last year to take charge of all 15 American intelligence agencies. Some members of Congress and senior intelligence officials have expressed concern that the absence of an appointee has created a leadership vacuum. Six weeks have passed since President Bush signed the legislation that established the job. Some current and former intelligence officials have said they have been told that the White House was having a difficult time finding a suitable nominee for the post, whose duties include managing a $40 billion a year intelligence budget and refereeing disputes between the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency. (snip) The White House has said almost nothing in public about the search for a national intelligence chief. Mr. Gates's name had not been among those most widely mentioned, and it had not been known that he had been offered the job. Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said in a telephone interview that Mr. Gates had in fact been "asked if he was interested in being considered" for the post. But Mr. McClellan said that Mr. Gates had not been offered the job. more: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/01/politics/01gates.html |
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