Arizona (Napolitano) will back Texas in Commandments battle

[truthpusher]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0202commandments02.html

Arizona will back Texas in Commandments battle
State to file brief in highest court

Michael Clancy
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 2, 2005 12:00 AM

Gov. Janet Napolitano, Secretary of State Jan Brewer and the leaders of the Arizona House and Senate want Arizona's Ten Commandments monument to remain in Wesley Bolin Plaza.

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Joined by 36 other lawmakers, the Arizona group argues that the Arizona monument, one of many at Bolin Plaza, does not constitute government endorsement of a specific religion.

Rather, the brief argues, the monument merely acknowledges the role of religion in Arizona's cultural and social life.

(snip)

The Center for Arizona Policy brief says Arizona "has an unbroken history" of acknowledging the importance of religion. It cites the state motto, Ditat Deus (God Enriches), the preamble of the state Constitution and other matters.


complete story:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0202commandments02.html

[NoodleBoy]

1. day after day, napolitano proves to be just a little more on the other

side then what we thought she was.

I don't know. We need the party figurehead in AZ, but sometimes it seems like she'll jump ship. It doesn't even seem like she's trying to negotiate with the legislature, except for all-day kindergarten.

she'll have the incumbency advantage for 2006, but doing stuff like this might just up the Green vote and negate that.

[Syrinx]

3. is she related to that judge on Fox news?

I've wondered about that. They look a little alike.

[NoodleBoy]

4. I don't know... probably not.

[kskiska]

12. Doesn't look that way

Janet with her Dad, Len.

http://www.governor.state.az.us/global/bio2.htm

[readmylips]

14. No, she's not related....

Her father is nucleus scientist Dr. Napolitano who runs NASA's programs at Arizona State University. Any new inventions for out of space, he makes it happen. Janet is a smart cookie.

The temper of AZ is religion. To band any religion from public place, will place our native American cultures in danger. Those christians will fight till the end to finally get rid of native Americans in the AZ. There's no way. Anything out here in AZ has to do with native American religion, a culture Janet loves, respects, and speaks their language.

We have the most beautiful freeways and highways in the country, all decorated with native American religious art. Come to AZ just to check out our highways, they are as beautiful as the Grand Canyon.

[expatriot]

9. She picks her battles, she picks her battles....

We need to keep behind her.

[n2mark]

10. I agree with you expatriot.

There are few politicians I trust, but for some reason I trust her. She is one of my favorites.

[NoodleBoy]

16. I'm behind her, but not because I'm inspired by her or anything.

we need her in until 2010 so we can undo the ridiculous gerrymander Hull did.

anyway... some people I know are really angry at her for cutting special education funds-- angry enough that they said they wouldn't vote for Kerry if he picked her as his VP.

[Erika]

2. Ah, excuse me

But Arizona had a civilizied population in control of government long before the "white man" and his 10 commandments came on board.

Is this fact just going to be dismissed?

[mutus_frutex]

13. Yeah...

We all know that those heatens need to be brought into the flock. Maybe this will help...

(Just in case, I'm being sarcastic).

[UL_Approved]

5. Recognizing a past that never existed

This nation was founded in spite of religion, not because of it.

Religious outcasts and gold diggers came over here first, but they were replaced by artisans, merchants, and intellectuals looking for a new life. These loose ends were debunked by people like Benjamin Franklin who put them in their place.

The supposed "religious foundations" of this country never existed. Much like the "morals" that Hitler spouted in the 1930's.

They want to put up the monument in stone over night, and then tell the third-graders that it was there for a hundred years. Iconic revisionism at its finest...

[Lexingtonian]

6. Seems reasonable enough to me

Sounds to me that this particular monument isn't a specific endorsement either. People want monuments for all kinds of things, serious and foolish, but mostly foolish. In the amount of context this one has it seems as inoffensive as these things get.

And people do remove monuments and other graven idols. They don't say so, but they do, and they certainly ignore most of the ones there are anyway.

Arizona has some great physical monuments. Mesa country, the Painted Desert, the Grand Canyon, Picacho Peak, the Petrified Forest, the Colorado River. None of the foolishness the Bibliodolators can put up can speak as eloquently, grandly, and authoritatively as they do for the wonder and sublimity and awe that most orders and inspires life and human conformity to what is compatible with that. A graven image of the Ten Commandments is merely the reminder the Bibliodolators need to resist their own depravity and a proof that they are strangers in this land who do not sense its spirit and sanctity.

[reprobate]

11. Any religious monumeent is an endorsement of a religion.

May we then put up a Wiccan monument? How about a Satanist monument? Under this rationalization either or both would be allowed, right?


Note to Wiccans: Not intended to lump you and satanists together. In my mind Wiccans are a natural faith while satanists are just the perverse side of the 'god' coin.

[Lexingtonian]

17. Sure, no problem.

You can put up statues of Stalin and Saddam Hussein too. Go for it.

[aquart]

7. Do y' know, there is nothing in the ten commandments

forbidding torture.

But there is in the Constitution of the United States.

We've come a long way, baby.

[magellan]

8. When are Christian politicos going to get behind something IMPORTANT?

The Center for AZ Policy and other (Christian-based) organizations like them represent just a small portion of the money and power of the Christian Right to do incredibly positive things in this country...if they wanted. Like, say, give orphans good homes or lift children out of poverty/negligent/abusive conditions or get every overlooked child into adequate healthcare and education programs. This is all WELL within the means of the Christian Right at large to orchestrate.

What do they do?

Fight to put the Ten Commandments and other Christian symbols in public places. Fight to keep "under God" in the Pledge. Fight to have Intelligent Design included in science books. Fight to overturn abortion laws to ensure even more children are given up for adoption or born into poverty/negligent/abusive conditions. Support bush** and his abominable "fixes" that cut even more children out of receiving proper healthcare and education.

If the Christian Right actually started behaving like the Christians they claim to be and organized that extraordinary militant energy of theirs to do some real GOOD instead of incessantly pushing their beliefs on the rest of us, I might have more respect for their concerns. But for all their strident political activism, they've achieved only the sublime in pettiness and hypocrisy.

They repulse me. (Could you guess?)

[readmylips]

15. They are racists using religion and the small minds of....

American citizens to achieve their goals of eradicating all religions and dark skins, except for their born again political machine.