Jane's Review warns of new terror group more radical than Al-Qaeda

[Bhaisahab]

A terrorist organization considered more radical than Osama bin Laden’s Al- Qaeda has taken root in Britain because of ‘‘lax’’ asylum procedures, security experts have claimed.

The movement, Al-Takfir Wa Al-Hijra (Excommunication and exile), has gradually built its presence in Europe in recent years through loose networks of imams and supporters, according to Jane’s Intelligence Review. ‘‘It is so extreme that it once tried to assassinate bin Laden and its members are thought to have aided last year’s Madrid train atrocity,’’ the report said.

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http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=63908

[thebigidea]

1. well, this should keep the "Terror expert" business in prime rib this week

"It is so extreme that it once tried to assassinate bin Laden"

Reminds me of that grimly funny bit in "the power of nightmares" about the Islamists splintering apart and squabbling over ideological purity.

Bunch of goddamn lunatics - if only they were trapped on an island somewhere with the Post-Straussians... they could stage epic battles with each other that would run into trouble once they realized they didn't have people doing the killing for them.

[neweurope]

2. Sure, keep the fear up. What laws do they want to change right now?

AND there's an election coming up.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[porkrind]

18. Keep the fear up

Bingo. The merikan people are becoming unafraid. They have figured out that the terrorists haven't destroyed us yet depite CNN's constant fear-mongering. We need a bigger, badder boogey-man!

[aquart]

3. Call 'em "X and X".

The other name is just not marquee material.

[UL_Approved]

4. Pure junk

Its the all new Boogie Man®, now with twice the religious fanaticism!

What will these people think of next? :silly:

[Judi Lynn]

5. Super-sized! We need our fear batteries recharged.

As with some drugs, or alcohol, it apparently takes increasing dosages to get the desired effect.

How can we be easily controlled without scaring us so wildly we'll be running into walls, and in desperate need of a strong "leader?"

The really nasty "Boogie Men" are in _Bush's pocket, like Islam Karimov, of Uzbekistan who tortures people until they are noticeably DEAD, even boils them to death.

January 17 / 18, 2004

Meet Our New Saddam
Introducing Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan
By SADIK H. KASSIM

Introducing Islam Karimov, one of Washington's most recent allies in the War on Terror. The neo-Stalinist autocrat presides over Uzbekistan, a vast mineral and oil rich country strategically located in central Asia. A country where dissidents are boiled alive (1); where having an Islamically sanctioned beard can get you arrested (2); where torture is widespread. In short, a country where human rights abuses are occurring on "a massive scale," (3) financed in part by the American taxpayer.
(snip)

Uzbekistan's cooperation with Washington has not gone unrewarded. In March 2002, Messrs Bush and Karimov formally met for 45 minutes in the White House. The meeting produced a five point strategic partnership between the two countries. Among other things, in exchange for continued use of Khanbad, the agreement granted Uzbekistan $500 million in aid and credit guarantees (6), $25 million for military assistance, $18 million for "border security assistance", and $1 million in policing assistance (7). These concessions were made to one of America's "foremost partners in the fight against terrorism (8)" despite the State Department's own declaration that, "Uzbekistan is an authoritarian state with a very poor human rights record (9)."

According to the Human Rights Watch (HRW) 2003 World Report3, the Karimov led government violates, on a systematic level, basic rights "to freedom of religion, expression, association and assembly." HRW notes that Karimov has used the pretext of the "War on Terror", to pursue a campaign whose aim is to squelch opposition. Specifically, the government has arrested and tortured thousands of independent Muslims, including minors. HRW and other human rights organizations estimate that there are between 7,000 and 10,000 prisoners held on religious and political charges. Most recently, forensic evidence has been revealed suggesting that Karimov's government boiled to death two Muslim prisoners after they refused to stop praying.
(snip/...)

http://www.counterpunch.org/kassim01172004.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>> From "US Looks Away as New Ally Tortures Islamists" by Nick Paton Walsh, Guardian (London), 26 May 2003:

Independent human rights groups estimate that there are more than 600 politically motivated arrests a year in Uzbekistan, and 6,500 political prisoners, some tortured to death. According to a forensic report commissioned by the British embassy, in August two prisoners were even boiled to death.

The US condemned this repression for many years. But since September 11 rewrote America's strategic interests in central Asia, the government of President Islam Karimov has become Washington's new best friend in the region.
(snip)

http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/us-and-uz.htm

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Karimov's jails are packed with thousands of political prisoners -- many of whom were guilty only of wearing an Islamic-style beard, or praying at a mosque unsanctioned by the state, which is attempting to bring all religion under its control. In fact, just being related to a dissident is enough to get you in trouble: Security forces routinely imprison entire families. Even more horrific, researchers turned up evidence that prisoners had been boiled to death last year. While noting a few improvements in Uzbekistan's record, Amnesty pronounces the situation "dire." To wit:

"The bodies of Muzafar Avazov, a 35-year-old father of four, and Khusniddin Alimov, aged 34, were brought from Jaslyk prison in the Northern Karaklapakstan region to their families in Tashkent on 8 August. Muzafar Avazov was reportedly tortured to death; an eyewitness said the body showed signs of burns on the legs, buttocks, lower back and arms. Reportedly, there was a large wound on the back of the head, bruises on the forehead, and the hands had no fingernails. The authorities reportedly restricted viewing of Khusniddin Alimov's body."
(snip)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/warwatch/2003/05/we_424_04.html

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_{pResident Bush} really knows how to pick our allies. Way to go.



For the truly skeptical who think they've seen everything, photos of a Karimov-boiled victim:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm

This is what _Bush has befriended in our names.

[telamachus]

11. Not quite on issue

but thanks for passing this along! It is amazing that most people don't see the hypocrisy of our governments actions. There should be NO excuse for being buddies with the likes of Karimov and others.

This fact does not diminish the need to identify direct threats from terrorism. If only there was some consistency in our approach to justice!! :(

[telamachus]

10. Actually Jane's is

a very reputable organization. They have been providing very accurate information on security and defense issues for decades.

Why is it wrong to bring to light the fact that there are terrorist groups springing up? Did anyone see the Frontline story about the situation in Germany with the rise of radical fundamentalism due to ignoring social issues of immigrants?

Ignoring these issues will lead to more terrorism and more outrageous overreaction by the likes of Bush.

Think about it.

[Old Mouse]

26. Absolutely

Jane's news is not designed for the public. Its the most serious resource we can get access to.

[physioex]

6. That's nothing...

Why not invade an unarmed country, kill tens of thousands, loot, pillage, and torture.......

[sweetheart]

7. This week's "terrorists might do" thread!! Oh boy.

New terrorists!... who might do something. :-) Oh my gosh.

Given british policing and wire taps, surely every single thing these
chaps say and do on the phone or internet is recorded and watched
by GCHQ already. Likely as well, that, as with the IRA, civil rights
are extended even with the potential threat, as it likely will never
emerge... this new threat.

If trying to kill Osama Bin laden is the definition of terrorism these
days, then there's someone in a big white house across the pond who
should be getting some "terrorists might do" attention as well.

I wonder what the terrorists will do! :-) Will they use bible bombs
and drop thousands of bibles from small airplanes, or will they send
email bombs, or perhaps curry bombs.

Perhaps they'll carry large rocks with them, to club people with...
ohhhh! i'm soo afraid. :-)

[Disturbed]

9. In the meantime...

Amerikans are fed a steady diet of freedom and liberty.

[pokercat999]

8. "taken root in Britain because of ‘‘lax’’ asylum procedures"

Can we attack Britain now? I never did trust Blair, always suspected him of being "lax". sarcasm off

[One_Life_To_Give]

12. Janes is pretty reputable

I had heard about this group before. Based out of Egypt IIRC. And tried to assasinate Mumbarack in the past IIRC. Thinks Bin Laden is way too liberal! (Don't you just love fundamentalists)

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. but the people Janes' talk to - British security services - aren't

MI5 and MI6 made up intelligence to boost the government line before with Iraq; why won't they now, to support the government's claim that we need to put suspects and their families under house arrest if a politician says so?

[One_Life_To_Give]

24. Since when

Has Janes used British Intel as a sole source. Last I knew even British Intel looks at Janes for information.

[Corgigal]

13. Not to mention Frontline

a few weeks back did a full show on just this topic.

[Corgigal]

14. link to the show

if anyone wanted to watch it online:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/etc/synopsis.html

[telamachus]

15. Thanks, I missed it ..

Frontline is one of the best out there.

[mumon]

17. Now the enemy of my enemy is?????

I always get that part confused when it comes to groups like this...


http://mumonno.blogspot.com

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[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Which terrorists do you think you've already killed? (n/t)

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[Nihil]

27. Still here?

This would be the high tech bullets that instantly convert whoever
they hit (/maim/kill) into a terrorist?

They go with the "smart" bombs that only hit "suspected terrorists" and
magically avoid any innocent civilians in the area?

Umm, yeah ... that would bring the "score" of terrorists into the
hundreds of thousands ...

Maybe it's time to go back to your comics before you get called up ...
... to bed?

[No Exit]

20. Pshaw! There've lonnng been terror groups more dangerous than al quaeda

... two of them, for example, are the CIA and the Mossad...

[bemildred]

22. How exactly do you get "more radical" than the twin towers attack? nt

[Igel]

23. Isn't takfir calling Muslims infidel?

Could that mean that the group is after Muslims that they don't think are sufficiently Muslim (whether Salafi or whatever the doctrinal quirks of Takfir wal-Hijra)?

[98geoduck]

28. Puts em up there with Tim McVeigh and the Christian Crusaders.

It's not like our own country doesn't have thousands upon thousands of these nutcases running around with the support of Falwell, Bob Jones, et al.