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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:49 PM
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Media Mangles Iraq Vote...
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21180/

Bunch of bastards!!!!!! Turnout was much lower than Chris matthews and his band of idiots suggested!
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freetheworkers Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:51 PM
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1. Iraq election turnout
What are your numbers on the turnout?
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:53 PM
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3. GOOD ARTICLE
I'm glad there is at least one REAL journalist left in this country
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:31 PM
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9. In Mosul it was 10%
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 01:31 PM by Rose Siding
according the the NYT:

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In a rare reference to an actual vote tabulation, The New York Times on Thursday reports that in the "diverse" city of Mosul, with 60% of the count completed, the overall turnout seems slightly above 10%, or "somewhat more than 50,000 of Mosul's 500,000 estimated eligible voters."
................

The point is that the impotent media ran with what they decided was a profitable story, inaccuracy be damned.

What are your numbers? There aren't any yet country wide, are there?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:34 PM
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11. they ran with what the WH said to....
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:52 PM
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2. I think we all sensed this would happen.
I would be suprised if things turn out well. * screws up everything he touches.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:55 PM
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4. Just wait until you see how they cover up the Communists elements winning
I don't mean that as a pejorative necessarily. It has been widely (in foreign press) speculated that the parties that are very communist/socialist like will probably do very well if not outright win the election.

Check out the names of the parties too. The "Iraqis for good things and against bad things" type monikers remind one of the American rightwing name generators.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:58 PM
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5. Where can I find a list of the parties?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:06 PM
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7. Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress is one of the communist parties
Yes W&Co.'s guy and the original planned leader of Iraq is a communist. We invaded a country in order to set up communist rule. They really need to stop letting W play with the dominoes-he gets everything ass backwards.

AHMED CHALABI, IRAQI NATIONAL CONGRESS
As the leader of the US-backed Iraqi National Congress (INC), Mr Chalabi has become an important and vocal member of the Iraqi Governing Council.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/post_saddam_iraq/html/secgroups_ahmed_chalabi.stm


Here is a listing of all of them
http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqiopposition.html

I googled "Iraqi Communist Political Parties"
Iraq < Iraq >
Iraqi National Congress
Iraqi Democratic Union
Iraqi Communist Party (ICP)
Worker Communist Party of Iraq
Party of the New Rise
Islamic Dawa Party
Party of the New Republic (PNR)
Constitutional Monarchy Movement
Partiya Demokrata Kurdistane (PDK)
PDK Denmark
PDK Spain
PDK USA
Ankara Representation
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK)
PUK Germany
Kurdistan Communist Party
Kurdistan Socialist Democraty Party (KSDP)
Türkmen Halk Partisi (THP)
Assyrian Democratic Movement (ZOWAA)
U.S.A. and Canada Branch
Bet-Nahrain Democratic Party

http://www.gksoft.com/govt/en/parties.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:01 PM
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6. but the 'truth' is already set in stone -by the msm and fox and cnn and
and and. Sad.

........Bloggers quickly questioned Kurtz's upgrade to 18 million, noting that the population of the country, according to many sources, is 25 million or so, and the population is heavily teenaged and younger. But other current estimates run as high as 27.1 million.

The critics also hit Kurtz for not providing a source for his 18 million figure. But Kurtz told E&P on Wednseday, "I talked to a couple of experts, one of whom was Ken Pollack, from Brookings, and also ran it by two of my reporters in Baghdad. But it is definitely an approximation, just trying to give a sense that – the one thing everyone I consulted seems to agree on – is that the 14 million, the baseline, is a very fuzzy figure because there was no registration."

He said he thought it was Pollack, "who studies this for a living," who pegged the adult population of Iraq at 17 or 18 million. "Maybe he leaned more toward 18 million," Kurtz added. "I don't know if this is a definitive figure but I was just trying to explain the difference between whatever that figure is and the 14 million that was so widely used by all the media as if it were everyone eligible – which means, to me, everyone over 18. When in fact it was this concocted number about passive registration based on who got rations. The point is, it's all fuzzy math, and I was just trying to illustrate that."

He added: "This was my stab at just trying to tell readers the 60% figure that had been so widely touted was hardly definitive, and it may be lower."
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:24 PM
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8. MSM first reported 72% turnout----without attribution, naturally,
during the entire Sunday morning. Turns out--that was not a number from any Iraqi or US officials. But nobody could state where it came from. We know it was made up, but by whom?

Now the 57% percent figure is being subject to scrutiny as well. On the ground that we are so heads up asses in Iraq, we don't even know how many adults there are still in country.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:33 PM
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10. On Sunday night, I believe it was Chris Matthews that asked Brian
Williams why the turnout numbers came from a Republican web site instead of a governmental entity.

Neither had any answer but this was the only time I heard this mentioned.

I want to know what website they are talking about and why the hell everyone was using these numbers.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 08:35 PM
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12. I think the first one to quote the 72%...
was an Iraqi elections official. The AP story quoted him, and he later backed down from that number, and admitted there was no way of knowing.... he was just guessing. But, the good ole boys just took it as gospel, and even after it was exposed as caca, they beat it till it was dead. Same old sh*t....
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