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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:03 AM
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Bush shows highest ratings in a year
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 11:06 AM by Stand and Fight
Well, you guys are going to get a kick out of this one! I am sure it's another fixed poll in favor of the Resident of the United States. This is a complete load of crap as usual from a combined effort between USA Today, CNN, and Gallup. It never ceases to amaze me that the propaganda machine is in full swing in the plain light of day. These guys would make Hitler's Minister of Propaganda proud. Unfortunately, most of 'Murika will read this and take it as gospel... :eyes: Just see for yourself and prepare to :puke: :

Bush shows highest ratings in a year

By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY

Americans give President Bush his highest job-approval rating in more than a year and show cautious optimism about Iraq in a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll taken shortly after historic Iraqi elections.

In reversals from a month ago, majorities now say that going to war in Iraq was not a mistake, that things are going well there and that it's likely democracy will be established in Iraq.

Bush's approval rating of 57% is his highest since he reached 59% in January 2004, shortly after U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein.

And Bush's domestic agenda continues to diverge from the priorities cited in the poll. Respondents consider health care costs, education and the economy higher priorities for Bush and Congress than issues on Bush's front burner: Social Security, taxes, same-sex marriage and limits on lawsuits.

The poll of 1,010 adults was conducted Friday through Sunday - after the Jan. 30 elections in Iraq and Bush's State of the Union address Wednesday, which highlighted the Iraq vote. Its margin of error was +/-3 percentage points.


ON EDIT: Here's the vomit link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=710&e=5&u=/usatoday/20050208/pl_usatoday/bushshowshighestratingsinayear


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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:05 AM
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1. Somebody call Gallup and GET THE INTERNALS
They always oversample Republicans-no reason to expect this is any different.
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ontheMark Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:10 AM
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6. I got the call yesterday
First time ever I have been polled by phone. I live in a rural conservative area. The guy was laughing by the end because he could guess my answers. Bush got no push from me.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:16 AM
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12. Glad to hear that!
:hi: Welcome to DU! :hi:
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ontheMark Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:50 AM
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31. Thanks Stand
However, I've been here for about 3 years and hope to hit 100 post this year. Even though I'm not a big poster I get my news from DU every day.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:00 PM
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35. Cool...
You're a unusual one then! :silly: Guess you should be welcoming me to DU instead, huh? Either way, I am glad to be here with like-minded members of the reality-based community!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:27 PM
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54. I think there are a LOT more people here who just read and don't post
Many in this 'justifiably paranoid time'* don't want records to be left of their thoughts.

*PATRIOT Act
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:05 AM
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2. definitely major-league barf time
but that's what you get when the media fellates Bush constantly.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:06 AM
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3. When will DU learn?
The best thing to do is to ignore this crap. Let's stop being a right wing megaphone.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:07 AM
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5. come on-- we have to know what is going on with the media.
Certainly we can deride this result as much as we like.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:11 AM
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8. Ignoring it won't help us...
Ignoring it will only serve to keep us ill-informed, and it is imperative that we stay on top of their lies lest their "re-education" process succeed. I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend that everything is honky dory when everything is really FUBAR! I see far too many people falling for this crap, and I'll continue to do my part to countermand the Neo-Conservative brain-washing tactics. That's just what they would like intellectuals to do -- turn their backs on the massacre of truth. The ugly and hard fact is that if you turn your back on that slaughter, you are a willing participant. That's precisely why pass corrupt regimes were able to succeed and continue to thrive -- people who would rather ignore reality than stand up against the lies and chicanery.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:07 AM
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4. In any case, this is definitely just a temporary bump from the "feel-good"
Iraq elections. I predict he'll be back to below 50% in six months.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:13 AM
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9. 6 MONTHS??? I bet you within 2 weeks.
57% is sure damn LOW for a newly "re"-elected "war president" right after "historic elections" in Iraq.

Not a very popular moran, that he can't even break 60%, LOL!

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
36. I Think You're Far Closer, Lynn
I'll guess a month.
The Professor
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #9
49. Yes, this a bump because of the Iraq elections
and the SOTU. It's temporary. Plus, I think this poll may be an outlier anyway. Newsweek has him at 50 percent. I suspect a true bounce might have him at 53, 54 percent - briefly.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
50. I bet next poll that comes out...
will be lower, unless it's from Gannet
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:13 AM
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10. Agreed. This is a weak bounce that couldn't even top his Saddam bounce.
FIRE THE LIAR
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:10 AM
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7. Looks like ...
The mindless lemmings have resumed their suicide march.... I have a feeling this little uptick won't last too long. A week's worth of Iraq news will take care of that.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:14 AM
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11. You'd be surprised...
I think the Neo-Conservatives must have played that game quite a lot, because it's amazing just how much stupid shit you can make the little guys do! What we are seeing is a tantamount to a mental holocaust, and so many are complacent. That is precisely why things are only going to get worst before they get better in this country.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:20 AM
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13. One of our "Dem Online Sites" said to look for a bounce because all
Presidents...even Nixon get a bounce when they are re-elected. I can't remember where the article was, but it gave the figures for each President and it's to be expected. The article said...don't worry about it. I think that's a good way to look at it.

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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:24 AM
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14. It is Gallup, after all n/t
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:25 AM
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15. Correct me please.
So the only polls that weren't fixed were the exit polls?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:32 AM
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Who said that ALL polls were fixed?
You need to go back and read the post. I said:
"...it's another fixed poll in favor of the Resident of the United States..."

No where did I suggest that ALL polls have been fixed, but if you bothered to do a little bit of research you would know that Gallup Polls tend to be biased in light of FACTS... :eyes:
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:42 AM
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29. No where did I accuse you.
As a matter of fact I didn't single anyone out. I find it interesting that anytime a poll is posted the first thing people do is attack it as biased, yet in the same breath those people use the exit polls as evidence of *'s election fraud. Let's at least be consistent.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:50 AM
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32. Guess what buddy?
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 11:53 AM by Stand and Fight
"No where did I accuse you" is hogwash. You replied to my comments in the original post, and as I am the original poster, you are by default debating the basis of my words. Likewise, by default once more, accusation is a given. On to your other assertion about the so-called poll being attacked...

The poll itself is not being "attacked"; rather, the people conducting the poll. For your information, Gallop/CNN/USA Today did NOT conduct exit polling on election day this past November. It was contracted by ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, Fox, and NBC to two companies to conduct exit polling. Neither of the companies were Gallop or USA Today. The companies were Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, and they were the SOLE providers of exit polls. Get it? Different people conducting the polls can lead to different opinions about polls -- is that so difficult to understand? Your argument is in tatters, give it up!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:01 PM
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:05 PM
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38. Re-read...
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 12:06 PM by Stand and Fight
There's no inference friend.. An ugly pattern is emerging here. I think I've wasted enough time in this chit-chat. Good riddance and I hope you enjoy your stay!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:58 PM
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deacon2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:21 PM
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53. Hello
Gallup owned by GOP fundamentalist. Voting machines designed, funded and owned by GOP donors and hardcore theocrat Howard Ahmanson. National media owned by GOP donors by and large - not all, but most. Exit polls by a national media consortium that now claims, without any stats to back it up, that they "must have" oversampled Kerry voters. Or maybe they didn't get the memo... And me? I'm Marie of Romania. But please, let's continue to have this debate over and over and over and over and over again.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:25 AM
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16. lots of fluff coverage on the "historic Iraqi elections" ....
most of those people want to believe that things will change and the corporate media isn't reporting the real turnout numbers or the fact that almost all the people voted because they think it will get the U.S. out sooner or that Bush's puppet (can a puppet have a puppet) is losing

temporary bump, this is just scary because it shows the media can pull the wool over at least half the population
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. Precisely
The elections in Iraq provide the kind of feel-good media coverage that will always give an administration a temporary spike.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
59. all those pretty purple fingers
I wonder if Frank Luntz did focus groups on what color to use.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:28 AM
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17. Fortunately,
I have no confidence in polls or pollsters... and less in the media.

As long as even 25 - 35 percent of the people strongly oppose this nonsense then there is hope for resisting it, even at the last extremity.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:30 AM
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18. Figures don't LIE, LIARS FIGURE
:puffpiece: :puffpiece: :puffpiece: :puffpiece: :puke: :puke:
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:32 AM
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20. Which "focus group" did they poll? n/t
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:34 AM
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23. Thank you!
Polls are supposed to be a random sample, and I am sure that they targeted specific areas rather than simply doing a RANDOM phone call to poll people ACROSS THE U.S...
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. The "choir" that was imported for one of *'s "dog and pony" shows.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:33 AM
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21. I believe it!
Everything I read today tells me that at least 50% of Americans are (at least temporarily) deranged.

59% believe that the "prophecies" in Revelations will come true, LaHay's books are bestsellers, there's 1600 Xian radio stations and 250 Xian TV stations, and 45 Senators and 186 House members scored 80% or better approval ratings from the Xian rightwing lobby.

Those people are so deluded that they'll believe anything... Tinkerbelle... Tooth Fairy... G.W. Bush....

(I cribbed the stats above from Moyers' excellent "There is No Tomorrow" 'cuz I was lazy, but there's buckets more proof of psychopatholgy in the US population.)
http://metronewsnet.homelinux.com:81/boards/showthread.php?p=1065#post1065
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #21
52. OOOooooo, the END is near...READ THIS!!!!!!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:33 AM
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22. See earlier thread in "politics" forum.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:35 AM
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25. This is the Latest Breaking News forum...
This is the correct forum for this discussion as well.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:42 AM
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30. There is a parallel thread in "politics" n/t
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:55 AM
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33. Thanks!
I thought you were implying I had posted in the incorrect place. I apologize for coming off as a pain in the arse... My bad, your fault. :crazy:
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:35 AM
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26. It's probably an out and out lie
Very easy to fudge this stuff.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:35 AM
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27. Because we at DU are envolved on knowing what is happening
to our country, because we believe that it matters, because what is occuring politically every day is something we pay close attention to and worry about and make it our business to care, etc., it is easy to forget that most folks dont think about it at all and do not make it a part of their lives on a daily basis. They have some basic political rules...well like that it is important to vote..but other than that just tune out anything political..unless it is shouted at them from their tv..and then they just sort of notice the edges of it..and basically believe that they voted and thats all they can do..so..thats it. A sort of "it will work out" so dont worry about it. So, if they are polled..for starters..all they have to go on when asked the question...is well let me see..hmmmmm..didnt i hear something about how the elections in Iraq went well...or hey, yesterday i heard something on the news about some progress somewhere in the middle east..somewhere over there...well..Ok..sounds like it is working out..so then...they give him an approval vote..and then get back to what they were doing.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
39. Precisely!
Great input and unfortunately, I think that is just how much of the uninformed public thinks...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:37 AM
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28. Er, CNN and Gallup?
They just poll repugs, so no surprise there.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. Wow!
Your cats are gorgeous! Do you know what breeds they are per chance?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:02 PM
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48. Thanks!
From left to right they are; Maine Coon, Turkish Angora, and good ol' American street kitty. :-)

Here's the first one's Catster page, which leads to the others;
http://www.catster.com/?100240

:hi:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:08 PM
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40. well he is doing such a great job on the deficit, keeping American
jobs out of Asia, creating hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs a month here, finding tons of WMD in Iraq, getting Ken Lay prosecuted, etc.,I can see why the American public would give high grades to him.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Dammit! You're right...
<sarcasm> Man, what an ass I am -- how could I forget this? </sarcasm>

Isn't it amazing that despite the fact that so much is FUBAR in our country, this guy continues to NOT be impeached?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:02 PM
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47. It's not just the impeachability, to me it's that other than for
corporate bigwigs who have profitted enormously by the Bush policies, how could ANYONE else have ever voted for him. How was one vote cast for Bush in Ohio, which is very fast (along with many other areas of this country) becoming a complete economic wasteland. He is running the country into the ground in every possible way, environmentally, economically, etc., and people are so fucking DUMB and ignorant, they believe he is on the same page as them. And no matter how many times he clearly shows he is on a different page, they still vote for him.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #47
57. alot of americans have devolved into a lower form
seriously, not joking---there are really dumb people here compared to europe-give them some hate radio and god talk and it seems that's all it takes
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. I agree with you. Our education system has been going down the
toilet for decades, since the Vietnam War.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:20 PM
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42. "how can 59 million americans be so dumb"
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:55 PM
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43. Other polls much lower
check out

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

for very different poll results. I guess it depends who you ask.

****************

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Feb. 3-4, 2005. N=1,009 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

Bush approval rating 50%

************

Zogby America Poll. Jan. 18-21, 2005. N=1,004 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.2.


President Bush -- Job Rating:

Bush approval rating 48%

****************

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Jan. 25-26, 2005. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3. LV = likely voters


"Do you approve or disapprove of the job George W. Bush is doing as president?"

Bush approval rating 50%

**************************










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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:02 PM
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46. ACHTUNG Texaslawyer!!! HERR GALLUP "Poll" has spoken!
You are hearby ordered to step in line, NOW!!!

:eyes:

(sarcasm now off/or is it?)

What we need is a full frontal assault on the Gallup poll!

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:57 PM
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44. why again?
Is this all because of that stupid sham of an Iraqi election?

Geez.. how blind do people have to be not to see the obvious truths around anything that Bushco does?

Don't answer that... totally fucking blind.

Sue
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:11 PM
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51. hahaha... I rated it a 1!
I only wish there was a ZERO rating!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:31 PM
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55. It's only Feb. 8
The year is young
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shantipriya Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:47 PM
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56. Bush approval Rating
Do the pollsters poll predominantly in Red states?It makes you wonder!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:08 PM
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58. USA/GALLOP is Republican Poll...
They had always favorite Bush. I don't believe this poll.
You see, this is set up for Social Security poll next, they want to show Bush is doing better so the next poll they do on SS, they can show people are in favorite of SS. USA/GALLOP is crooks!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:50 PM
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61. Kick...
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:15 AM
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62. I do not doubt it. People who are made to feel uncomfy - will believe any
I do not doubt it.

A full year is way too long for safe American to feel uncomfortable and upset.

People who are made to feel uncomfy - will believe anything to get back to the 'norm' of how they normally feel - the more comfort they are used to. If thinking for themselves will make them feel unhappy and afraid for the country they love, they try it for a while and then when the pressure to solve a problem they cannot solve gets to be too much - they'll stick their head in the sand and say "ah - who knows". So they can get back to their 'norm'.

Don't discount what people will do to get back to what they think is 'normal'. Normal is in fact not a feeling - it is a set of circumstances build up over time. But they want that feeling of normal. And they want to believe in their old beliefs of how good and kind government is. Show them littly itty pieces of info and they will jump on it - as evidence that things are fine and they can go back to 'normal'. The delusion that all is well (Christian right were the first to fall).

Leaving the less delusional/less emotional to keep the heat on the monsters in the White House. The less delusionals are the less emotionals (see how delusional you are when you are in love? all that emotion does it to you and the happy are more delusional than the depressed). Like the "depressed" (who are okay with feeling uncomfortable and have resisted changing their behaviour all along to fit with the crowd), the 'intellectuals" who will stop at nothing to get to the truth (especially when the field is unstudied and wide open), the "professionals" (the politicians who need the facts in order to get into power and are used to watching others feel) and the sociopaths (who never have any feelings so they are not bothered by it all and in fact may be at a premium these days as freeper jobs pay well).
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CandyCrim21 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:50 AM
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63. Cautious Optimism????
Define Please!
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:23 PM
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64. Left Coaster has stats-37 % Repubs- 28 % Dems- (9 percent more Repubs)
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:25 PM
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65. Thanks for pointing this out
I was about to do the same. Gallup up to its old tricks of skewing the sample. Total BS.
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