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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:55 PM
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Police: Woman Scalps Girl For Offensive Behavior
Police: Woman Scalps Girl For Offensive Behavior

POSTED: 1:25 pm EST February 8, 2005

BOISE, Idaho -- A 16-year-old girl was tied up and scalped by a woman who believed the girl slighted her, police said.

The victim and a friend were visiting Kirkham Hot Springs in central Idaho Jan. 18 with 26-year-old Marianne Dahle, Boise County Chief Deputy Bill Braddock said, when Dahle allegedly tied the girl up and cut away the entire crown and back portion of the victim's scalp.

Authorities have issued a felony arrest warrant for Dahle, accusing her of aggravated battery. She has not been formally charged.

"When I say this gal was scalped, she was truly scalped," Braddock said. "The top of her head, her hair, was completely cut off. The motive, as near as we've been told by witnesses, was retaliation for acting in a way that the adult perceived as being offensive to women as a gender."

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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:55 PM
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1. Welcome to Idaho!
:eyes:
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:58 PM
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2. I was at the ER in L.A. last month and I saw a lady who had been scalped
When I saw her I thought to myself, how in the world does someone get scalped? Well I guess this is one way. BTW, it is terrifying to look at....
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:17 PM
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6. What happened to the scalp?
Did she leave it there?
Did they sew it back on?
What do put on instead of a missing scalp?
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:38 PM
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13. The lady I saw didn't have it sewn back on - it was missing
From the top of her forehead to the very back of her neck and from ear to ear it was this red, kinda plastic looking and shiny raw open wound - no skin, just ... open wound. Almost impossible to describe now that I'm trying. I don't know how she got scalped (I don't even think she spoke english, but probably wouldn't have asked her if she did) I started to cry it was so horrifying. Without a scalp to sew on, they had to spray something shiny on her head and then they waited a couple of hours (I was in the same waiting room as she was) and they brought her back in and then put gauze around her entire scalp. Then she left. I don't know if that is normal procedure when that happens, but I was at LA Country ER (they place the uninsured go) so the treatments aren't always the best. I guess it doesn't kill you though. She was walking around normally.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:05 PM
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39. took care of a child that was scalped by a dog
and the wound was clean to the bone without any type of tissue. They tried all types of things...wet to dry dressings, etc simply because they weren't sure what else to do.
There is a medical device called a wound vac...it is exactly what it sounds like.
They bored holes in his skull (to allow marrow to come out to form tissue on top of the skull bones) and then enclosed his entire head in a wound vac. The constant sucking of the vac pulled the marrow out to form tissue onto the top of his skull which gave the surgeons something to attach skin to.
At that point, they did skin grafts.
The skin used in grafting however, is generally smooth skin (abdomen, buttocks, etc) and does not grow hair, but does beat the heck out of bandages.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:26 PM
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Was it an accident or on purpose?
Ewww! This topic is gruesome.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:26 PM
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10. delete. dupe.
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 02:26 PM by CottonBear
I keep double-clicking today.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:06 PM
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3. Yuck!
How awful!
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:12 PM
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4. sounds like something James Dobson would promote
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:40 PM
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15. Heh
Indeed.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:12 PM
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5. Another danger of feminism...
"...retaliation for acting in a way that the adult perceived as being offensive to women as a gender."

So how long will it be before the Falwell/Robertson bunch adds scalping the the witchcraft/lesbianism/anti-capitalist/childkilling results of feminism? :eyes:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:24 PM
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8. actually, that could be interpreted as
offensive to women as a gender b/c the suspect considered the behavior too "morally loose" or unladylike.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:36 PM
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21. He'll more than likely promote it
as apt punishment for "jezebels".
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:20 PM
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7. scalping's in the bible?
who knew?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:26 PM
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9. "Cut off that which offends thee." Bible justice. Dominionist' wetdream.
.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:27 PM
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11. That is horrible, but it also sounds like a new trend in corporal
...punishment is emerging. Scalping was a practice promoted back in colonial America times dating back to the conflicts between the British and French battalion troops at war with each other. They paid the Indian (native American) mercenaries a bounty for each enemy killed, but to assure accurate counts they required a full scale from the crown of the head clear to the back portion of the scalp. Made no difference whether these scalps came from men, women or children, the mercenaries were paid for each one and it was full-proof as a human being has only one scalp. The perpetrators of these current incidents are very very sick.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:39 PM
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14. USMC did that form of record-keeping in Vietnam, scalps or ears
oh yes they did, many brought home the trophies.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:12 PM
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32. So the barbaric practice lives on, even though we pride...
...ourselves as an advanced civilization. Bastards!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:34 PM
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12. Every time I see the link for www.thekcrachannel.com
At first glance "the Cracker Channel" pops in my head...


weird huh??
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:05 PM
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45. LOL, me too...
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Daybreaker Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:45 PM
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16. Just a theory here ...
... but I suspect that the true moral of the story is that you probably shouldn't do certain kinds of hallucinogenic drugs in certain places where you might find your thoughts and your behavior influenced by certain people that used to live there.

Just a theory.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:50 PM
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17. excellent theory n/t
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:09 PM
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26. I'd have sworn that there was meth involved, but...
... the news stories are saying that drugs and alcohol were not factors! Which is kind of astonishing, I think.

:think:
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:54 PM
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36. actually scalping
was introduced by the Spanish, and was more commonly used against Indians thoughout the Americas than by them.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:57 PM
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18. Maybe the woman should be scalped.
I guarentee she'll never do it again...
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:57 PM
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19. Sick bitch
It's too bad that they can't charge with something more serious, like attempted murder. She needs to be locked up as long as possible.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:58 PM
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20. To quote Jon Stewart "Building that bridge back to the 18th century"
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:37 PM
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22. eek.
the idea of scalping has always freaked me out.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:03 PM
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23. Just aggravated battery? She could have bled to death!
Assault with intent to kill would be more like it!

:headbang:
rocknation
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:57 PM
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37. I fully agree with you.
I would call it attempted murder.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:03 PM
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24. its a punk rock thing, you wouldn't understand
i certainly don't.

wtf? scalping & punk rock DO NOT go together.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:06 PM
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25. Ouch! Ow!
Ow, Ow, Ouch, AAAAGH!

God DAMN, that must have hurt. Hope that girl ends up OK.

Jesus, the top of my skull is going to be tingling for a couple of hours after reading this.

Redstone
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:12 PM
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27. The cruelty involved...
... no words...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:32 PM
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28. I am guessing a case of religious nuttery
Since the police aren't being too forthcoming with details. Just a hunch, could be wrong.
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:39 PM
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29. I have a question...
When someone gets scalped...does their skin grow back along with their hair?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:44 PM
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30. I don't think it would.
I'd be interested in hearing from a medical person, though.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:13 PM
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40. see my answer from above. eom
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:20 PM
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43. No, see my post below
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 08:21 PM by Up2Late
It a very long recovery process
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:54 PM
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44. No!
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:52 PM
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31. ouch
It happens though not frequently, and is fairly easy to do as scalp is loose and flexible. We recently had a young woman whose hair (ponytail) got caught in equipment and her scalp was pulled off. Infections are always an issue initially. You can live without a scalp, but you loose allot of body heat and are exposed to elements. I don't know if skin grafts (auto) are done but it is possible to harvest skin from the person's body. The hair is another story. That is such a gruesome story and a tragedy for the young girl.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:19 PM
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33. God help her!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:42 PM
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34. "the adult perceived as being offensive to women as a gender."
i HAVE TO WONDER WHAT THE HECK THE OFFENSIVE BEHAVORIOR WAS!!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:53 PM
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35. I'd wager..
she was wearing revealing clothing or flirting with a boy or something else offensive to fundamentalists.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:58 PM
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38. Marianne Dahle offends me as a woman.
and by her own (obvious) twisted sense of justice, deserves a punishment equal to, if not greater than, a scalping.

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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:14 PM
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41. Would it be possible to remove the woman's scalp ...
and transplant it on the girl ?
That would be true justice ....
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:18 PM
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42. What in the world is happening to this country?
:wtf:The facts of what happened in Idaho, is not nearly as bad as the L.A. story, a few post down. The woman in Idaho was obviously Psychotic, but the L.A. case it truly sad and disturbing. The Idaho girl should be fine, except for psychologically.

Medically, you are talking Years of reconstructive surgery, which includes skin graphs and the process of implanting a balloon under the skin to stretch it out, then inflating it again and again, until enough skin has grown, so that it can pulled over the skull and joined together. That alone, would probably take a year.

At that point, the person could decide if they want to try Hair implants or graphs.

I hope this doesn't become common.:grouphug:
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:15 PM
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46. Cruelty?
The cruelty in Abu Ghraib was condoned by the U.S. government. Perhaps that gives the impression that cruelty is acceptable.

After a death row execution, there is an increase in violence for a few days or a week.
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