Bill would add 'Under God' to auto plates

[KaliTracy]

Dayton Daily News (Sign-in)
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By Laura A. Bischoff
Dayton Daily News


COLUMBUS |

"More than 50 years after it was added to the Pledge of Allegiance, "One Nation Under God" may soon be on Ohio specialty license plates."

"State Sen. Bob Spada, R-North Royalton, and Rep. Tom Patton, R-Strongsville, today will introduce bills to add a "One Nation Under God" license plate to the 70-plus different specialty plates Ohioans motorists can purchase."

<snip> (Describes the various types of vanity plates now available)

"What about God? Where does he fit in there?" Patton said.

"Patton described the proposed plate as a way to reinforce "the Judeo-Christian movement, which is the most prevalent in the country" and defend the pledge, which he believes to be under attack."

[DS1]

1. Guess we're not going to need car insurance anymore

:bounce:

[fertilizeonarbusto]

14. LOL

I'm dying here!

[barb162]

48. double LOL

[hnsez]

79. ROFL

/cancels insurance

[egoprofit]

113. maybe now my volkswagen won't break down so often

n/t

[sniffa]

2. i want one that says 'under cLouds'

or 'under the watchfuL eye of homeLand security' or...

[demnan]

3. I just heaved a sigh of relief

when I read this wasn't the state of Virginia.

[davidinalameda]

51. give them time

it's probably in the works there as well

[noamnety]

4. Can we get Darwin plates? n/t

[KaliTracy]

6. lol -- would a group sponsor that? n/t

[DrDan]

13. "under evolutionary control"

has a nice ring to it

[DBoon]

84. "Continuing to evolve"

eom

[DrDan]

88. "resolve to evolve"

eom

[0007]

83. "STFU" plates would be great

[arwalden]

5. Enough Of The God-Fetish Already!

[Zenlitened]

25. Wow! I was just about to post that exact phrase!

It IS a fetish, a bizarre obsession that, carried to such extremes, becomes grotesque. "God this" and "god that," all day long, in every situation. It's repulsive.

[fryguy]

61. god god god....freedom freedom freedom....liberty liberty liberty

the chant of the new neoconsertive fundamental-christian industrial party - formerly known as the republicans

[renaissanceguy]

86. I like that...

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[Southern Dem 2005]

7. Why is this a problem?

Although the phrase is on a plate issued by the state its not mandatory that you have it on YOUR car. Let people get it if they want it.

[oneighty]

9. But

Can I get a 'God is Not Real' plate?

180

[Maeve]

12. No, but take heart in one thing---

They'll have to pay more to get it on their plates!
:eyes:

As Puck once said, "Lord, what fools these mortals be!"

[Lloyd Christmas]

55. Woot! Woot!

I'll take one of those also.

[KaliTracy]

18. It shouldn't be a problem, but if other religions want to sponsor

plates (IF being the operative word) -- would they be able to? Should the State be sponsoring "the Judeo-Christian movement"?

Maybe, if it's a way to make $$ it shouldn't matter.

[Southern Dem 2005]

28. I agree that any religion should be able to get a similar plate

and we all realizae that's not going to happen. Additionally, just like the pro-life plates you see this is simply a sop to religious-right constituency.

[Sterling]

106. Additionally, just like the pro-life plates you see this is simply a sop t

So why are you for it? :eyes:

[Southern Dem 2005]

114. I'm not for it or against it

I just think there are more important things to worry about. Its a sop to the conservative base that, in the end, doesn't harm anyone and is probably going to pass muster. If there is going to be a successful challenge it will probably have to go through the courts.

[54anickel]

38. Eww, could add a whole new twist to road rage...n/t

[DrDan]

19. sounds like he wants to put it on ALL specialty plates

So if you wanted an Ohio State Univ plate - you would have no choice as to whether this was included.

That, to me, is a bit over the top.

[KaliTracy]

24. no -- just adding another plate to the 70 already available. n/t

[DrDan]

26. are you sure????

"add a "One Nation Under God" license plate to the 70-plus different specialty plates Ohioans motorists can purchase"

sounds like it would be added to all specialty plates

[Catch22Dem]

98. No

"add a "One Nation Under God" license plate to the 70-plus different specialty plates...

Since you can't add a plate to a plate, I suspect it means add this particular PLATE to the other plates that already exist.

[bunkerbuster1]

31. And what's wrong with those darling "choose life" plates?

Ah jess luvs them!

[prolesunited]

34. Only if I can get

One nation under satan.

[MadisonProgressive]

70. That would be 'One Nation OVER Satan'

[oasis]

39. Please read post # 37.

[fryguy]

65. no problem if....

there are allah plates, buddah plates, vishnu plates, etc....otherwise it is an expression of the state supporting one religion over another in violation of the establishment clause of the constitution.

[stepnw1f]

69. Would Tax Payers Pay for Its Inception?

It costs tax money. Tax money is suppposed to represent ALL citizens of every walk of life in this country/state. Are Christians the only people in this country/state? Nope.

[hughee99]

115. The price of the plate is covered by the sales,

though I'm sure the state has to put in some money for startup costs, but this quickly becomes self-sustaining and profitable for the state. In my state, we have "Save the Manatee". I'm sure many people in my state have no interest in saving the Manatee. Even though the state now makes a profit on those plates (and brings in "extra" revenue because of it) should the people of my state be indignant that the state put in start-up money to this?

[cosmicdot]

108. why not return to the days of a plain old license plate ...

with just the basics

[Bouncy Ball]

110. Ah it's Southern "Dem" again

acting like anything but a Democrat.

:eyes:

[Lauri16]

8. I figured for sure

when I read the subject I thought for sure that this was a NY thing. *Whew* This is really getting out of hand.

[Skink]

11. I prefer Live free or die....

[jmowreader]

43. I love that phrase

I love it mainly because of a court case over it on license plates...

Apparently, someone got pissed off that the state would have the gaul to make prisoners put "live free or die" on the license plates they made--so he obliterated it. I don't remember whether he painted it over, beat it flat then painted it over, sanded it off, or just stuck a piece of electrical tape over it, but you couldn't see the state motto on his plates.

A couple of days later he got pulled over for tampering with his license plates.

After all the appeals went through, some very high court decided that so long as the numbers, name of the state and expiration-date information were still legible and untampered-with, you could do anything you wanted with the rest of the stuff on the plate.

[Betsy Ross]

10. Some of us religious folks take G-d so seriously

that we don't write it out, can't destroy something with it on it.

But then there are those who would use a newspaper with G-d on it to line the catbox or wrap fish.

The more the fundies push the inclusion of G-d in documents, license plates, etc., the less respectful they are.

[Nashyra]

16. I have an old license plate holder that says

"Please Bless the World" and another one that says "Dog is God spelled backwards, unconditional love". I had that one around the license plate that is DAWGCAR. No disrespect meant.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. Kind of like what's been done with the flag...wear it on everything, and

plaster it all over your car. And let it fly over your house, through the rain and sleet and in the dark of night.

[M155Y_A1CH]

112. amor?

Is it like saying the name of Rome backwards?
The romans believed that if anyone intoned the name of Rome backwards Rome would then immediately be destroyed by the gods. Is the not spelling out god something like that?
Just trying to understand the mysteries....

[insane_cratic_gal]

15. Good for those of us

With Road Rage!

All you need is a little conservative Radio, Limbaugh and a bible humping plate as a moving target.


Hey Patton What if God doesn't give a shit? What if his bumper sticker reads: "Leave me the hell outta this you freaks!"

[Lorien]

20. Specialty license plates are a nightmare for police

hard to tell where ANYONE is from with all the designs out there.They ought to just stop this silliness now, before it gets even worse.

[athenap]

21. Just about anybody can get a special plate

And for organizations, if I recall correctly, all you need are a hundred members. A few years back my SCA group toyed with the idea of getting special plates for our group.

These reps ought to have more important things to do than add more vanity plates to the wall at the DMV. Duh. Honestly. :: shakes head ::

[renaissanceguy]

85. I wonder if swastika plates would be allowed...

after all, there are plenty of neo-fascists in this country, and there has to be more than 100 neo-nazi's.


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[Theres-a]

92. Don't forget the underwear bill!

[FlyByNight]

22. Good thing because when I think of religion or...

things spiritual, I think of automobile license plates.

What a waste of time. I hope Spada's and Patton's voters are getting their votes/money's worth.

:crazy:

[oasis]

37. Zealots have affixed crosses, fishes, madonnas, stickers and symbols

on their cars so far with no help from the government. They know best where to find the specialty items. Church books stores and shops etc.

Looks like two "fiscally responsible" GOP hypocrites are using taxpayer resources to pander to religious zealots.

Again.

[smirkymonkey]

75. Wanna buy a Jesus nail?

it's the surest way to heaven...

:evilgrin:

[NashVegas]

23. For Those Times When St. Christopher Is Not Enough ...

Time to go home and put on some Tom Waits.

[oneighty]

27. St Christopher

is only good up to 60 MPH after that you are on your own.

I read that someplace so it must be true.

Readers Digest I think.

180

[jmowreader]

36. After 60 you must pray to Our Lady of Loreto

She is the patron saint of flying.

[MadisonProgressive]

74. I don't believe that applies to Interstate travel

[joefree1]

29. So imagine the first picture of a horrible car wreck

And this 'Under God' license plate clearly visible.

[DinahMoeHum]

30. Do these folks really think Jesus would be a Republikkkan???

http://www.cafepress.com/turn_left.14312207

www.turn-left.com


:evilfrown:

[VegasWolf]

32. How about "Heaven's Gate Rapture" n/t

[VegasWolf]

33. How about "Over God", after all we created him. n/t

[Bridget Burke]

35. I woke up Under God one morning...

So I learned to lay off that communion wine!

[VegasWolf]

40. Hey, that wine was the only reason that I was an altar boy.

[donheld]

41. Under Allah, Under Buddah,

can we set a licence plate to designate the god of our choice?

[fortyfeetunder]

81. that's right all religions recognized

When a Wiccan can have a custom plate, then no one religion should dominate....

[democracyindanger]

42. Only if Nietchze fans get "God is Dead" plates.

[VegasWolf]

90. Hear, Hear! I love it! n/t

[laruemtt]

44. more evidence of the pukes' disconnect

putting "under god" on the one mechanical steel apparatus most responsible for the disgusting condition of most of their god-given bodies. :silly:

[Career Prole]

45. Making "Under God" license plates for the state of Ohio

will give Blackwell and Co. something to occupy their time when they get sent off to the stony lonesome to do a stretch for fraud.

[denverbill]

46. How about 'One Nation, Under Educated' instead?

Once again, the right wing victimhood mentality on display.

"Patton described the proposed plate as a way to reinforce "the Judeo-Christian movement, which is the most prevalent in the country" and defend the pledge, which he believes to be under attack."

Poor baby. Funny though. I can't recall any atheistic messages printed on license plates.

[callous taoboy]

47. Can mine say "Over Armadillo?" n/t

[jmowreader]

49. I think all states should do this

In North Carolina it costs an additional $10 per year to have one of these plates--$30 extra per year if you want it personalized. We have over 8 million people in the state, and if just 100,000 of these people who didn't have specialty plates already got one set of God specialty plates, there's an instant $1 million per year flowing into the general fund.

I don't know about your state, but my state could use an extra million per year. And people would line up to pay it!

I think the numbers would be far higher--many people have more than one car (if you've got three cars and you're buying God plates, all of them would get God plates) and more than 100,000 people would buy God plates--but we'll use 100,000 applications as a baseline.

Look, the only person who's "attacking" the Pledge of Allegiance is crazy-ass Michael Newdow (who I'm certain is a Christian trying to make atheists look bad by coming up with all his bizarre shit) but if this gentleman Patton wants to get fundies to give the state an extra million a year, more power to him.

[noamnety]

53. Where do all the profits go?

Typically a portion of the profit goes to the charitable cause it supports. Would a portion of these proceeds go to a church? Is it putting the government in the position of collecting funds for a church?

[realisticphish]

62. you are correct

i don't know how this would work, though, since it's not a specific church or denomination

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[jmowreader]

99. In this case, there is no "charitable cause"

One of two things would happen: you'd be required to list the church you go to, which would open the government to charges that they were working to collect money for religious purposes; or all of the money would go into the General Fund.

This would be the better way.

Hey, it would be more patriotic to do this than to purchase a Chinese-made Jesus Fish to put on the back of your car.

[peterh]

50. How bout….All gods are created equally….

And that atheist god too…

[napi21]

52. I guess if it's only a "special plate" why should we care.

Here in Ga. we have all kind of different special plates. Some support wildlife, a slew for vets from every war we've been in, breast cancer, special birds, etc!
http://www.dmvs.ga.gov/motor/plates/

Why do you care if this special interest group gets the opportunity to buy their own plate?

My husband's a hunter, and he pays the extra to have a plate that supports wildlife. I foster Bichon dogs, and I have the support spay and neuter plate.

I just don't care if these folks want to spend a little extra to have a plate they want.

[mod mom]

54. Don't they have more important issues to work on like, lets say ELECTION

IRREGULARITIES! Why not: One Nation under BU$H. These theo-cons will be the death of us yet.

[renaissanceguy]

87. They don't care

as long as they are profiting from your losses, and as long as they have control over your life....


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[WildClarySage]

56. OK but I want one that says An' it harm none, do what you will.

actually, given the number of fundies in WV, maybe that's not such a good thing to put on my car.

[candy]

57. It's a specialty plate,costs more So what if they make one!

I wouldn't give my DMV one cent for any specialty license plate.

[Niche]

58. Honestly, these guys are giving god a bad wrap...

Keep your god to yourself already! MY GOD is gettin' really tired of all the freaky sh*t going on "under the clouds (nicely put)" here!

[fryguy]

59. for Ohio it should say: "Under Diebold Control"

[Burma Jones]

60. The Pledge is under Attack??????????

I'll be damned if I'll use Endust.

[realisticphish]

64. lmao n/t

[sarcasmo]

63. Jesusland strikes again, when will we all be forced into church.

[Skidmore]

66. Don't these buffoons have any real legislation to propose?

Doesn't Ohio need infrastruture replaced or somethin' like that?

[realisticphish]

73. of course not

everything is fine in ohio...o, those empty buildings? those were....terrorist hideouts, yeah, and we emptied them. Homeless problem? what homeless problem? That is a distortion of the liberal media!!


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[MadisonProgressive]

67. Are there any REAL problems in Ohio that need to be addressed?

[athenap]

96. er...

...well, this hasn't been graffiti'd to hell and gone yet. But maybe it's because he's doing his part to save runaway trucks

[Freedom_from_Chains]

68. However, since purchasing such a plate

is an option and not something that is being forced on everyone, I don't see a real problem with it. Unless one considers vanity plates as a whole a problem.

[realisticphish]

71. I don't see the big deal

I sure as hell wouldn't get one, but hey, if they're willing to pay the state extra money, then we damn well need it.

I mean, it's not putting it on ALL plates, just one individual vanity plate.

edit: though i do think that it is not cool for the state to be ONLY putting out a fundie plate

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[noamnety]

89. The big deal is not the plate itself

The big deal is a government official proposing legislation to "reinforce "the Judeo-Christian movement."

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

72. "Gott mit us" (nt)

[pelagius]

76. I'd rather have the so-inclined give the $10 to the state...

...to use for worthwhile programs than have the ten bucks go to Dobson, Falwell, and the other usual suspects.

[Roland99]

77. I'm glad I have my "Evolve" fish plaque on my car

[driver8]

78. It figures that the effed-up state of Ohio is behind this...

My favorite quote: "What about God? Where does he fit in there?"

How about in the privacy of your own home or church, asshole.

Why do we have to have "God" forced down our throats. We know where he is...if we're interested, we'll find him.

I am so sick of this shit. Keep your God to yourself.

[grace0418]

80. Will it continue on to "LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL" or will

they conveniently ignore that part just like BushCo does?

[hnsez]

82. All superior products have the word "God" on them

you could market all kinds of superior products with the words "in god we trust" printed on them:

colostomy bags
condoms
bra straps
decorative blocks to hold up mobile homes
tires
tubes of denture glue
toilet plungers
disposable diapers

The Reverend Billy C. Wirtz told me so

[rodeodance]

91. wonder if they would consider a goodess?? or some pagan god??

[mbee]

93. Ohio should have special plates that say

One Nation under Fraud!

[stanwyck]

94. Actually, such plates would benefit me

as I would then know who NOT to buy firewood from...lawn services, tree cutting, etc. Don't solicit my business with one of those plates. It's a sign to me that you don't respect the U.S. Constitution and my forefathers(mothers) commitment to a country free from religious oppression. So, go ahead. That will help me winnow out who I give my money. Discrimination? Yes. I patronize businesses which respect our American heritage...and that doesn't include nationalism and fundamentalism.

[Lisa]

95. dibs on "Under Funded"!

I work in the public educational system, so it would be especially true!

[kypper]

97. Still wonder if Madsen's wrong?

It's a Christian Mafia... organized religion has always been about control and blind faith.

Blindly follow the president off the cliff, sheep.

[98geoduck]

100. can we resign to " One Nation, Over God" once Bush is out of office?

[geniph]

101. The pledge is under attack?

What a colossal crock of shit. If anything, those us who want "under god" removed from the pledge are the true pledge traditionalists - we're trying to return it to its original form. The "under god" was added as a response to the Red Scare, same time our national motto was changed from E Pluribus Unum to that god fetish nonsense.

WHY WHY WHY OH WHY do they feel it's necessary to plaster everything they own with their Jesus (tm)-paraphernalia? Is their faith so weak that it'll falter and die if they're ever exposed to a day without the sight of God (tm) Merchandise? Why must we all, whatever our private beliefs, be forced into unwilling collusion with theirs by having it forced on us as a national motto, in our national pledge of allegiance, on our fucking MONEY, everywhere we go?

[98geoduck]

104. Welcome back to the 50's and the wonderful era of McCarthyism.

[cornfedyank]

102. i just wish they had nothing better to do......n/t

[GetTheRightVote]

103. I was sitting on the fence concerning this issue but now the repubs lose

me on it, they are taking it to far to the right for me anymore.

Take that part of the pledge out, this country represents all people not just the christians and I am a christian.

:kick:

[ucmike]

105. i want a license plate that says...

stop inflicting your fucking religion on me.


i'm so tired of this fanatacism. i want out and i don't even care if i get my money back.

[Lilith Velkor]

107. Gott Mit Uns

That's the one I want.

A car to go with it would be nice too.

[proudbluestater]

109. Why not just put, "DRINK THE KOOL-AID! DRINK IT -- NOW!'

[Bouncy Ball]

111. Oh good, all the people against the separation of church and

state would be identifying themselves! Good deal, can we have that here in Texas, so I'll know who they are?