Poll: Seniors Key to Slip in Bush Rating (Bush Approval at 45%)

[bluestateguy]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050211/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

WASHINGTON - The public's confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance and the nation's direction has slipped in the opening weeks of his second term, particularly among people 50 and older, according to an Associated Press poll.

Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.


The survey wasn't all bad for the Bush administration: People are slightly more optimistic about the possibility of a stable, democratic Iraq (news - web sites).


The poll, conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs, was taken after the president's State of the Union address and the elections in Iraq and at the start of a heated debate over creating personal Social Security (news - web sites) accounts.

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[aquart]

1. Dear me, how shocking.

[alittlelark]

2. Being FREEPED as we 'post'.....

Below 3.0.... quite a bit below.

[Mr_Spock]

42. Are you saying the Repukes have a problem with the truth?

Hmmm, I wonder why that would be?

[Mr_Spock]

43. Are you saying the Repukes have a problem with the truth?

Hmmm, I wonder why that would be?

[intheflow]

3. Buyer's remorse.

"I voted Republican, but it looks like things are going downhill," said Kenny Sproull of Lexington, Ga., who works in construction.

:eyes:

On edit: isn't it interesting how these stories are released in the middle of the night? It was released about 3am EST, I think.

[renaissanceguy]

35. The big question is

will they learn from their mistakes?

(/rhetorical)

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.15032002

[lancdem]

52. Amazingly, this story is on the front page

of my Republican-leaning afternoon paper.

BTW, I have no sympathy for Mr. Sproull. If you fell for Karl Rove's bullshit, you have no one to blame but yourself.

[Betty]

61. Too bad the rest of us have to live

with their assholish voting choice

[SaveAmerica]

72. it LOOKS LIKE things are going down hill??

On behalf of America's children, thanks a heap for realizing this after the elections.

[mitchum]

73. Well, aren't you a dumbass, Kenny?

[sonicx]

4. more proof that Gallup is propaganda

poll says most people disappove on Iraq, domestic, and economic handling.

[jdj]

63. 45% for a repuke AP poll is freaking pathetic.

Wonder what reality is then, 25%?

[LynnTheDem]

5. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA as they AWAKE!

...54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

...only four in 10 in the poll said they approved of Bush's handling of domestic policy in general. And a majority of people disapproved of his handling of the economy.

Just over four in 10, 42 percent, said they approved of the president's handling of Iraq, while 57 percent disapproved.

*Special Edition of Large Font for a Very Special Occasion.

[bluestateguy]

6. Where do I sign the recall petition?

Oh, I guess that's only for Democratic governors.

[yorkiemommie1]

68. ' the secret lies in the proles' orwell's '1984 n/t

[Downtown Hound]

7. It's being freeped big time

But what can I say? Better late than never I guess. It's up to all of us in the next four years to present America with a clear alternative as this man's approval goes up in flames.

[UL_Approved]

8. We need some counter-freeping

The fact that these articles come out late at night and get freeped down is sad. We need to counter this.

But this brings up the question? What is the big fear with the article? Surely, if Bush was elected by this country, shouldn't he be above scrutiny? (nudge, nudge...)

[applegrove]

9. How do we do that? Is it the early morning's duty to kick up new articles?

How do we do that? Is it the early morning's duty to kick up new articles?

Kick:kick:

[UL_Approved]

12. I used my Yahoo! accounts to do it

Other people need to do the same thing.

There are only 400 and some votes. We should be able to get this to the top.

A listing of news articles to up-rate could be posted somewhere. It would seriously help.

[yorkiemommie1]

69. that's a morning agenda item for me every day

n/t

[stlsaxman]

10. Too little too late, sadly...

Unless the vote was rigged (my belief, anyways) we've made our bed...

For the next 2 years Bush has absolute power and he's going to use it.

Sorry folks.

Take back the house in '06 and the healing can begin.

[BlueManDude]

11. But didn't Gallup say he was incredibly popular last week?

More people seem to realize we are headed for the rocks.

[rodeodance]

13. its current average rating is 2.90 with 503 vote(s).

[Ian David]

14. If the elderly disapprove, this should be a key demographic for Dems

The elderly are "chronic voters." They vote more often than any other group.

If we can reach them in 2006, we should be able to make a good dent in the Rethugnican base.

My suggestion: College kids and old people should be key.

[Wright Patman]

16. The elderly are easily taken in

on the issue of so-called "moral values," particularly in the realm of homophobia.

I remember a deacon at my church getting up before the congregation last summer and literally foaming at the mouth while uttering a prayer calling on us to lift up * as he battles against the demonic homos who want to get married.

[adigal]

62. I find elderly people I know

to be much less judgemental than the middle aged people I know. I do live in NY though.

[Ian David]

74. I've been surprised by encounters with progressive elderly

I remember one lady who was like 90 something. She had a great big crucifix on the wall. She told me, "At my age, why should I care what someone else does? People should just leave them alone." So, she was against an amendment to ban gay marriage.

Sometimes living through The Holocaust can put things in the correct perspective, but not always.

[fasttense]

15. Yeah, funny how this poll has almost opposite results from the Gallup poll

Here is the link to the DU topic on the Gallup poll. I've always felt that Gallup's poll numbers were seriously off from what America truly believes. Now I know for sure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x323032

[TahitiNut]

17. Gallup probably uses Diebold tabulators.

:evilgrin:

[Pirate Smile]

39. Gallup Poll Had 9% More Republicans

I was just going to post what it says at that link before I saw your post. Here is what it states

"Republicans: 378 (37%)
Independents: 353 (35%)
Democrats: 279 (28%)

When I received these numbers, I thought they were juxtaposed in error. So I asked Gallup to confirm them, which they politely did. I mean, why would Gallup knowingly use a poll that had almost a hundred fewer Democrats in it than Republicans, and think it was credible?

Sometime between the January poll and this early February poll, Gallup feels that Democrats have fallen through the floor amongst the electorate as a whole, even though other polls since the election show the Democrats retaking a lead over the GOP."

[renaissanceguy]

37. Gallup is just like Fox News

They either poll more Repugs, or they manipulate raw data in their own favor.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.15032002

[lancdem]

53. That was before details of his budget came out

I also think that poll was an outlier. Even if he got a brief boost from the SOTU and the Iraq elections, his ratings were NOT 57 percent.

[trogdor]

18. Seniors aren't selfish pricks like their grandchildren are.

Who knew? Obviously Bush didn't. Apparently, people over 55 actually do care about posterity, so it doesn't matter if SS reform doesn't directly affect them.

[Pirate Smile]

19. Poll Shows Drop in Bush's Job Approval (45% approve, 54% disapprove)

WASHINGTON - The public's confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance and the nation's direction has slipped in the opening weeks of his second term, particularly among people 50 and older, according to an Associated Press poll.

Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

-snip-
Older Americans, especially those 65 and above, were most responsible for the declining confidence and approval numbers. Middle-aged people between 30 and 50 were about evenly split on Bush's job performance.

-snip
The AP poll did not ask about Social Security, although only four in 10 in the poll said they approved of Bush's handling of domestic policy in general. And a majority of people disapproved of his handling of the economy.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=4&u=/ap/20050211/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

Gallup was wrong? What a shock.:eyes:

38% Right Track/ 58% Wrong Track.

[GOPBasher]

20. Well, to those people who voted for him but don't approve of him now,

DON'T BLAME ME; I VOTED FOR KERRY!

[MadisonProgressive]

22. Yeah, you numb-nutted neanderthals!

[bullimiami]

26. you voted for kerry? guess what, most of us did.

msm refuses to ask itself why does the majority dissaprove if they voted for him?

fraud and lies, the crooks are running the country.

[GOPBasher]

30. That may be true. But even so,

Bush certainly got more than 45% of the vote legitimately, so there are still people who voted for him that no longer approve of him.

[DainBramaged]

21. IPSOS is bread to Gallup's crumbs

As long as the BFEE can get away with a 'friendly' poll service, they'll use it. MSNBC on now about the poll.

[zanana]

24. Only a few days ago, it was a 58% approval rating...

According to a CNN poll. This morning, CNN reports that a recent poll shows Bush's approval rating at 45%. Curiouser and curiouser.

[MadisonProgressive]

29. People are starting to understand his SS plans for them

and they DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!!!

[Spinzonner]

23. Sorry, the Accountability Moment has left the building

[Alpharetta]

25. No problem. Corp media has 4 years to pretend Jeb will be different

[masjenkins]

27. well, according to talon news and gopusa...

its all the AARPS ("arps"...as we call them here; we actually host the aarp local chapter 2 x every month)....fault. they have a "liberal agenda" apparently. snort. i guess 38F will be the new freezing point next.. new science for a new century. (damn that global warming)

[Placebo]

28. Social Security "Reform" = Bush's Achilles Heel

If we can take advantage of it, we have the potential to make some very significant gains in '06 because of that issue. :)

[still_one]

31. idiots, last week he had 57% approval rate

this country deserves *

[MADem]

76. Yeah, WASSUP with that???????????

Gee, ya don't suppose that fifty seven percent was a BULLSHIT number, do ya? Naah, our polling organizations wouldn't make shit up, lie to us, do ya think???

I don't believe anyone anymore. I think they are all agenda driven shills, caught in a web of corporate greed.

[indepat]

32. How is it possible for someone to win an election with such low approval

ratings? Notwithstanding, literally tens of millions of his supporters breathless await having their future social security benefits slashed so tax cuts can continue and his entire PNAC vision can become reality.

[Skittles]

51. it isn't possible

these bastards stole the last two elections

[Massachusetts]

33. 45% APPROVE

thats still way to many IDIOTS in OUR country!:wtf:

[Mr_Spock]

44. It is amazing to me that one single person would approve of this moron

I guess we really do live in a "Nation of Ass Holes".

[pauliedangerously]

48. Be gentle, my dear New Englander

"Idiot" is the first word that enters my mind as well, but then again, I don't own a television...

We are dealing with a sophisticated group of people represented by a modern-day Berzelius Windrip. You can't just dismiss people as being idiots; true, there are lots of ignorant people, but ignorance doesn't necessarily equate with stupidity. President Windrip is a prime example.

[applegrove]

34. Ha ha ha ha ha! - they can remember what real poverty was like

Ha ha ha ha ha! - they can remember what real poverty and real evil were like and are not as easily led by the 'Palace of Smoke & Mirrors'.

[MadisonProgressive]

36. It's people like this that give me watery stools

"I agree with almost everything President Bush says," said Beverly Bowman, a nurse who lives near Phoenix. "I think the Social Security thing has to be fixed."

Sad that these people don't understand that Bush is not trying to 'fix' Social Security. He's trying to fix our little red wagons!

[LinuxInsurgent]

38. hah...

sounds like that social security ripoff scheme ain't going good for the Chimp...

[rocktivity]

40. Maybe those seniors don't like the idea of being played off

against people under 55 since the SS cuts won't effect them. Their grandkids are another story. But as President Mightymouse himself said on the subject of being remembered by history, "We'll all be dead."

:headbang:
rocknation

[nodictators]

41. Bush intends to destroy Social Security with his stock market scam

Everyone will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars if Bush pushes the scam through congress.

Bush also intends to "reform" Medicare. So, forget Medicare too.

And then there is the Bush Flat Tax to take our savings and pensions.

If he's not stopped, the American dream, as we knew it, will be gone forever.

[yorkiemommie1]

70. as a senior i voted for my kid and my future

( i hope ! ) grandkids. when i pointed this out to my freeper husband all i got was the silent treatment.

[llmart]

82. You too???

My husband voted for the asshole, too and I take every opportunity I can to razz him about this stuff.

[TheDonkey]

45. BLAAAAAHAHAAA!!! Say hello to the Republican Party's funeral

* might do us some good if he buries the (R)s due to his ridiculous platform.

[flyarm]

46. funny to me that this poll seems drastically diff than cnn poll

the poll this week that said * had a 57% approval rating...of which i screamed at the t.v... like any rational person...liars!!!!!!!!
as a shoe was flung at nazi blitzer!

thanks for posting the ap poll....

p.s. the tv and i have not been on speaking terms since the shoe affair!! i intend to buy a box of chocolates and have a reconsiliation with t.v.,.. but not with nazi blitzer!

fly

[lancdem]

57. The CNN poll had too many Repukes

and was done immediately after SOTU and before his horrible budget came out.

[Canuckistanian]

47. But I keep hearing that * approval is at a 3-month high!

The people love Dear Leader.

[Bo]

49. ....they voted for the POS

[Rainscents]

50. I knew USA/GALLOP Poll was lie...

They did the same things all through before election... always polling more Republicans and or fix the numbers to favored the Bush. I think, in 2006, Republicans will loose seats in House and Senate as long as we can get rid of the rig machines.

[Beaverhausen]

54. Poll Shows Drop in Bush's Job Approval

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20050211/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

Poll Shows Drop in Bush's Job Approval

14 minutes ago White House - AP

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The public's confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance and the nation's direction has slipped in the opening weeks of his second term, particularly among people 50 and older, according to an Associated Press poll.


Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

The survey wasn't all bad for the Bush administration: People are slightly more optimistic about the possibility of a stable, democratic Iraq (news - web sites).

The poll, conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs, was taken after the president's State of the Union address and the elections in Iraq and at the start of a heated debate over creating personal Social Security (news - web sites) accounts.

Older Americans, especially those 65 and above, were most responsible for the declining confidence and approval numbers. Middle-aged people between 30 and 50 were about evenly split on Bush's job performance.

"It looks like people are reacting to the State of the Union and plans to change Social Security," said Charles Franklin, a political scientist from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

more at the link

[Placebo]

55. dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1229232&mesg_id=1229232 :hi:

[Beaverhausen]

58. Oops- I missed that cause the title was a little different

my bad. :hi:

[SmokingJacket]

56. Hahahahahahaha

Somebody on a thread last week was saying that we had to try and convince the "57% of Americans who approved of Bush" of something or other.

My answer was to wait 10 minutes and the approval rating would be below 50% again. But this is faster than I thought...

His "bringing democracy to Iraq" bump didn't last long, did it?

[okieinpain]

59. now wait just a damn minute. I thought the chimp was in the low

50's last month and rising. now you they're freakin telling me he's not liked. somebody needs to make up their damn mind.

[LTRS]

60. A story of the MANDATE that never was....

Guess Bush didn't have as much political capital as the thought he did. LOL!

[amandabeech]

64. Just wait until the lousy Medicare prescription drug benefit , or its

inevitable modification cutting the lousy benefits, gets renewed traction with Seniors.

Their approval of * will go down even further, as will the approval of the 50-65 group who see retirement on the horizon.

The AARP may get a second chance to do right by its retired or nearly retired constituents.

[paineinthearse]

65. Does Zogby do national or just limited/focused polls? nt

[Barrett808]

66. Rate this story up! Current rating: 2.90 with 1667 votes n/t

[Dawgs]

67. Most positive report for Bush is...

"The survey wasn't all bad for the Bush administration: People are slightly more optimistic about the possibility of a stable, democratic Iraq (news - web sites)."

Just wait until Iraq grows into a full blown civil war.

[Bryn]

71. Even My Mother voted for Bush now Doubts him

She voted for him because "he's man of God", "a praying man", "on his knees" now tells me to trust in God only, not man. She doesn't like the direction he's leading America to. Lots of Conversation Christians voted for him as if they were voting for God. Sad...

I voted for Kerry. I couldn't believe it when Bush won! I'm in very blue South Florida area. Who are those idiots that caused Kerry to lose in Central Florida?? :kick: (Mom voted in Arkansas, Red State)

[davekriss]

75. Why isn't this blasted all over the news?

(Rhetorical question, of course, given the Orwellian obediance of the Rovian Wurlitzer...)

MSNBC. Not on front page. On political page. No indication of numbers in headlines. Here is the headline: "Survey shows slip in Bush approval rating / Support from older Americans weakened from past month". The first mention of how badly Bush has slipped is not found on the webpage until the forth paragraph, where it states "Adults were evenly divided on Bush’s job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve...". If you weren't already completely disinterested by this paragraph, you might have read this as "Adults were evenly divided on Bush" and moved on. The second paragraph, notably ahead of the stats, states "The survey wasn’t all bad for the Bush...". Geeze. Nothing like the news blast of the Gallup results. Aren't we glad we have a near-monoplolized major news media?

CNN. At the time I write (4:41 pm central standard time) there isn't even mention of this poll on the CNN main page nor politics page. Guess it isn't news (though Gallup was blasted in the main news block on the front page a few days ago).

news.yahoo.com does not list it on their main page, but the AP article is still available as a major news item on the Politics page, titled "Poll Shows Optimism About Iraq". You don't get to the bad stats about Bush until the 6th paragraph, where it says "Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove...". Neither the headline nor the first 5 paragraphs would likely motivate the casual reader, who might easily (conveniently!) miss the fact that Bush's approval ratings are way down and nothing like what was blasted for all to see in the flawed Gallup poll recently! Again, thank the powers for our near-monopolized media! No need for diversity, the masses surely will learn the truth (not!!).

I could go on. There will be mention of Bush's bad numbers as the day unfolds, but it seems to me it's not getting the same gleeful coverage we witnessed when the Gallup numbers came out. Go figure!

[KissMeKate]

77. so the election in Iraq didnt produce a permanent bounce.

take that! jagoff.

[dzoner]

78. Reply

I would bet that the powers to be knew the AP poll was coming and quickly medea'ized the gallop poll on all main media outlets for the mid week period. After a few days of continuous babble an the return of Bush's popularity masses of American brains are programed just as they were with the 9/11 Iraq connect, and thus its time to talk about other important topics like why Charles wife won't be the Queen and how the left crazies are making poor Mr G's life miserable.

[against all enemies]

79. Even as his numbers go down, the Republicans keep getting more

power in the house and Senate. Do his numbers even matter? A huge number of Americans are happy to elect assholes. What will it take to start electing more Democrats?

[Rose Siding]

80. The headline now: "Poll Shows Optimism About Iraq"AND rewrote the article!

Now the link in the orig post takes you to this:

WASHINGTON - Americans are feeling a bit more optimistic about the future of Iraq (news - web sites), a bright spot for the administration in an Associated Press poll that indicates many are souring on President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance.

Half in the AP-Ipsos poll, 51 percent, said they think a stable, democratic Iraq is likely, up slightly from the 46 percent who felt that way before the Iraq elections.

"From what I hear in the news, it sounds like the Iraqis really want it," said Bill Harrer, a nurse's aide in Mason City, Iowa, who considers himself a political independent. "But it's going to take a long time."

The uptick in sentiment about Iraq was not matched by increasing optimism about how things are going at home.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050211/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

[deadparrot]

81. Gotta say I'm surprised.

I would have thought the SOTU and the Iraqi election "success" trumpeted by the media would be the precursors to a big bump.

Not a bad surprise, by any means. A nice touch to an otherwise horrendously crappy Friday.