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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:44 PM
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'Gannon' Interview: No Plame Subpoena, No Tie to White House (E&P)
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 04:45 PM by VolcanoJen
There's some fascinating back-pedaling as Gannon "unsilences" himself in this interview with Editor and Publisher, just released.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000799182

Excerpt:

NEW YORK In a lengthy, wide-ranging interview with E&P today, former White House reporter Jeff Gannon, whose real name is James D. Guckert, revealed that, contrary to many media reports, he had not been subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame/CIA case. Gannon/Guckert earlier this week resigned his reporting position for a conservative Web site, Talon News.

He also threw into question media accounts suggesting that he had seen a classified CIA document critical to the Plame case, saying he had made references to the “internal memo,” but adding, “I never said I had it or had seen it.” When asked if he had in fact seen it, he declined to say.

<snip>

Guckert said that contrary to many press reports, he was never subpoenaed by the special prosecutor and has never testified before a grand jury in the case. But he said he was interviewed by two FBI agents in his home for about 90 minutes last year.

<snip>

Asked if he had any other social connection to Rove or Press Secretary Scott McClellan, he said, "absolutely not. ... The only connection I had with Scott McClellan was when he got married and I sent him a card and left it at the press office for him." He said he gave no gift to McClellan.

He said he couldn’t understand why anyone would feel that letting him in to the presidential press conferences and briefings under an alias suggested a security breakdown. "If I am a Republican shill,” he said, “wouldn’t you think I am the least amount of a threat to the president?"
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:46 PM
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1. this guy has become an extraordinary liability for bushco,
imho.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:48 PM
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2. gee do you think
he might commit suicide ?
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:01 PM
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25. Don't you mean "Baxterized for bush*s protection".
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:24 PM
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40. Yes that's a better way of putting it. n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:48 AM
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59. How could they resist
after he told the press that it was 'lefties' that were "threatening" him.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:51 PM
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4. Sadly, Gannon's preparing himself for a new "New Media" career.
From the article:

"Even though it has been very painful,” he said of the current uproar, “lots of opportunities have come forward journalistically. Once all of this blows over, I think it might actually help that I have gotten this attention." He would not cite specific examples of any new opportunities.

He cited Dick Morris as an example of someone whose travails helped launch a media career.


:puke: :puke: :puke:
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:01 PM
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16. I completely agree
I wouldn't be surprised if Fox News didn't give him a slot next to, oh I don't know...maybe Bill Oliely.

He will come out of all this all the better in the end but the most important thing is to expose the Bush propaganda machine in all it's manifestations.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:49 PM
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23. I'm sure Regnery Publishing
has already contacted him about a book deal.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:59 PM
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46. But does a "Blueboy" or "Honcho" layout really constitute a career?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:48 PM
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3. Ummm, he said on FR that he had ben subpoenaed.
He talked about it freely. There were quotes from the threads posted here yesterday.

He's lying again.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:53 PM
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7. Someone needs to send them to Editor and Publisher
I don't have those posts or know where they are
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:57 PM
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13. Here's the link to all of his FR posts:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=113711

I hope someone is saving all of this stuff. I think that Kos is compiling and saving screenshots before FR wipes the files.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:54 PM
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Here's the link to one of the FR threads:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:39 AM
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48. Here's a link to a condensed form of some of his FR comments
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 12:41 AM by kgfnally
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3091546#3093467

:) I just had to. Pay attentio to the exchange at the end between him and "JohnGalt".
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:10 PM
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26. The WP story that he was on a list of journalists questioned re Plame
was incorrect?

What was that in the interview about needing a lawyer to represent him around the Plame case?

Did you notice he used "we" a lot?

Who are the other members of that we-some??

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gorrister Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:27 PM
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45. off topic ...
but I just love your kitties.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #45
57. Thanks :)
They're a lot of fun to have around :)
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:53 PM
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5. Liar, liar, (under)pants on fire
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:53 PM
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6. Like a person couldn't conclude this idiot was a roverite puppy?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:54 PM
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9. Gannon-Rover Connection of Logic (not proof, but...)
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 04:55 PM by Hissyspit
Jeff Gannon was acting like one of Nixon's "Rat Fuckers" (Democ-RAT Fuckers). He is probably connected to Karl Rove - seems like one of Rove's tricks - but that is the big question. Here is how Rove is connected to the Nixon people - Don Segretti. Remember that name from your childhood (Watergate coverage)?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3091072#

Lex (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-05 02:21 AM
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18. Found it! Rove's connections to Nixon's ratfuckers!

Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 02:25 AM by Lex
.
"At 21, Rove dropped out of college and into politics, and became an early protégé of convicted Watergate player Don Segretti – the political operative who invented the term “ratfucking” in the first place. In that same tradition, Rove has been linked to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, attacks on John McCain’s mental health, and, back in Texas, the whispering that Democratic Governor Ann Richards was a lesbian. Rove remains, for many, a prime suspect in the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame, and even Republicans tend to reinforce his image as Bush’s Dark Lord. “He dominates a campaign,” Republican strategist David Weeks told The Washington Post. “Nothing ever happens that he’s not aware of.”"


http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=1316&IssueNum=...



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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #9
44. Thank you, for kkkarl bio, always imagined him a turd trickie dick made.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:54 PM
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8. In essence ---> I never said I saw it, but I won't say if I've seen it.
You know, when Clinton redefined the word "is", the right wouldn't stop raging and screaming about how a person can't hide behind a legal technicality. I wonder where those people are now.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:54 PM
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10. "The VOICE has gone SILENT???????"
You know what's kind of funny about this whole, sick, fascist, propaganda scenario....this guy, who after being outed put a whining farewell up on the web, is now EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!

If he's not giving interviews to NPR, he's hitting softballs courtesy of Leslie AKA WOLF Blitzer, with Howie Kurtz assisting in the mitigation. And now here he is again, being SILENT with E and P!

If this is SILENCE, I'd sure hate to be in the room when he is holding court!

I think he's absolutely panicked--and he feels that the best defense is a good offense. Problem is, he is not too bright (evidence: he hasn't paid his taxes due from 96, interest continues to accrue; he associates himself with pimping escort service websites, regardless of whether or not he is involved in the process himself; he puts a glamour shot of himself on the web; he lies about his name, his background, and does not even try to cover his tracks...etc., etc., and so forth!). I think he feels the hot breath of rabid disaster on his neck, and he is just dancing as fast as he can.

They shoot horses, don't they?
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:29 PM
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28. Glamor shot ehhh?
http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/shdws/large/10005000

(The pic won't show, you gotta click on da link)

Someone posted earlier who would get to play jimjeff gannuck and put up Jason Alexander, maybe they were right!
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:55 PM
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11. He's contradicting himself something awful
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 04:55 PM by Oreo
Do you think the special prosecutor in the Plame case may want to subpoena freeperland for this little lie:

Although he hinted that he had not seen a classified CIA document after all, he added, "I am not going to speak to that. It goes to something of a nature I do not want to discuss."

He admits seeing the document in his freep posts
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:44 AM
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51. and mentions he can't talk more about it on ADVICE OF COUNSEL
What a little prig. This guy deserves everything he has coming to him and then some.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:56 PM
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12. Does this fool think he can just go on lying
and no one is going to NOTICE??????????? The way his mouth keeps flapping, the Bushies are going to have to stick something in in!
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:58 PM
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14. note the subtle spin:

> Guckert, revealed that, contrary to many media reports, he had
> not been subpoenaed



Funny, but I always thought that a person being interviewed makes a CLAIM (which is then subject to further examination), as opposed to a REVELATION (which implies that truthfulness is taken as a given).


MDN

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:53 AM
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52. nice catch!
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:00 PM
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15. Contradicts McLellan's statement here:
but after finding out he needed a congressional press pass -- which he’d been denied -- to get that far, he utilized only the day passes. “I made several attempts to get a congressional pass, and each time they said 'no.' They were concerned with the Talon News business model,” he said. “They didn't feel that we fit the criteria."


He admits to trying to get a hard pass "several time"
McLellan said he never tried to get a pass
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CONN Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #15
38. McLellan babbles on him at WH press gaggle on 2/10...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:03 PM
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17. Wonder how many folk have already drafted this guys obit....
....he's creating liabilities for the neoconsters faster than even rover can bury them.


TBO;24/7
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:08 PM
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18. I love this line:
"If I am a Republican shill,” he said, “wouldn’t you think I am the least amount of a threat to the president?"

So which is it? Are you a republician shill or a threat?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:16 PM
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19. Doesn't he understand...
...it isn't threat to the president that's the concern. It's the threat orchestrated payola propaganda pundits like him present to democracy. There's NOTHING more dangerous than a fanatic convinced of the rightness of his position and the evil of his opposition. His posts, his articles, his actions, all point to a person ever bit as fanatical, violent and irrational as an Ossama bin Laden type.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:19 PM
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20. He must not remember that he told Joe Wilson that he had seen the memo.
He is not the sharpest tool in the drawer.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:27 PM
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21. This guy is unbelievably "WEIRD!" Is he brainwashed, or a fool?
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 05:29 PM by KoKo01
He keeps giving interviews where his statements don't jive with the "facts" and seems unbelievably clueless.

I saw him on Blitzer last night...and he seemed almost "simple" in his statements with a bit of a "deer in the headlights" look and attitude...this interview with E&P kind of adds to that.

:shrug: :crazy:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. Beyond weird
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 06:38 PM by JDPriestly
He is psychologically unbalanced. In other words, he is a psycho. He actually believes these crazy stories when he tells them. When he gets caught in a lie, he lies again and says he never told the lie in the first place. His stinted psychological development gives him a social/psychological age of at most seven.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:37 PM
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31. He's arrogant beyond belief
All these clowns figure no one can touch them because they are serving at the pleasure of the resident.

The guy is a moron--the sheer stupidity of not yanking that photo of his off of AOL as soon as he achieved some type of public *fame* tells me what an utterly stupid buffoon he is.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Yeah--I cannot believe that picture was a) ever put up and b) IS STILL UP.
I'm linkin' to it on my LJ right now. If it were me, I would have grabbed that off the web first thing, but then if it were me, I wouldn't have had someone take a picture like that in the first place, and...oh, what's the use.

I mean, maybe he figures all publicity is good publicity. Maybe he's hoping he'll meet chicks this way. Or guys. Or whatever. Maybe he LIKES seeing a picture of himself in his tighty whiteys in the pages of the New York Daily News. Who knows. There are days, you know, when it just seems like this place has been taken over by aliens.

Yeesh, I say,

The Plaid Adder
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:32 PM
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34. I hear you...we are living in a bizarro world! EOM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
37. Kick....just because "GannonGate" is such a puzzle and how "They" are
trying to kill the story...
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:35 PM
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22. Nothing touches Bushco because the Pugs control everything
and have no intention of doing real oversight. Gannon is a whisper compared to lying about waepons of mass destruction. I'm sure we all know all too well where that got us....nowhere. When is Fitzgerald going to announce something? It is time to exert pressure.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:00 PM
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24. Wouldn't someone who meant harm act like a shill to gain access?
I mean, how lame is that explanation? I am beginning to think the only thing that makes sense is that G/G was a Bush plant from the beginning.

"If I am a Republican shill,” he said, “wouldn’t you think I am the least amount of a threat to the president?"
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #24
53. wow -- good one!
we know this can't be true b/c it's *too* dang genius.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:26 PM
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27. Please limit excerpts to four paragraphs.
Posts in LBN of excerpts are limited to four paragraphs in length.

Thanks for helping us stay within the copyright law!

Keo
--
LBN Moderator
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:36 PM
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29. WOW...'jeff' just KEEPS ON BLABBERING his big fat mouth....all over

it's really incredible to watch/listen....he's SUCH AN IDIOT....

'jeff' is actually KEEPING THIS STORY ALIVE...with his STUPID comments and remarks.....keep on BLABBERING, jeff...keep on talking...
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:44 PM
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32. I believe the opposite of what Gannon/Guckert says
and I believe he and Scott have extremely close connections.

"Asked if he had any other social connection to Rove or Press Secretary Scott McClellan, he said, "absolutely not. ... The only connection I had with Scott McClellan was when he got married and I sent him a card and left it at the press office for him." He said he gave no gift to McClellan." (Yeah, right)

===
I just did some searching regarding Scott McClellan (brother Mark is now Medicare Chief) and the background is fascinating! Google his father "Barr McClellan" for starters.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:48 PM
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35.  wonder when rove will tell him to shutup?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:50 PM
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36. WHO is stopping Hillary, Kerry, Dean & Obama from talking about it on TV?
DEMS are dropping the ball on this- the media will bury this if top DEMS dont go on TV amd make noise about this.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:25 PM
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39. Where's Reid's quick response? Maybe GannonGate is a distraction tactic.
Maybe his obvious shilling is meant to be a foil to hold up the credibility of the rest of the mainstream propaganda presstitutes.

I thought that was the reason Cheney looked like a snow plow operator at the Auschwitz ceremony, to keep people from talking about the Prescott Bush/Fritz Thyssen factory built near Auschwitz as part of the financing of Hitler's rise.

I spent the summer working outdoors with lots of annoying yellowjackets buzzing around. A friend showed me how to eat lunch without getting stung on the lip: Take a little piece of food and put it out in the open away from you. The yellowjackets swarm the offering and leave you alone.

Look out for this 'steer the swarm' tactic in the future.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #39
60. I agree - You cannot trust which stories are smoke.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. Indeed, who has been stopping them from the begining?
Just their own self-interests, that's all.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:30 PM
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41. "wouldn’t you think I am the least amount of a threat to the president?"
Yeah, that is what Rabin's security detail thought too.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:30 PM
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42. Talon News website was registered 5 days before "Gannon" got his
press pass to the White House. Five days. He got his journalism "creditials" in a two hour, $50.00 seminar and this article makes it sound like he was a reporter working for a real news agency when they say...

"Gannon/Guckert earlier this week resigned his reporting position for a conservative Web site, Talon News."


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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:31 AM
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47. WHAT A MORAN!!!
(Gannon) said he couldn’t understand why anyone would feel that letting him in to the presidential press conferences and briefings under an alias suggested a security breakdown. "If I am a Republican shill,” he said, “wouldn’t you think I am the least amount of a threat to the president?"

Well, at least he ADMITS he used an alias to get press pass! You can blame him for mispresenting himself as a reporter for a news service, but is it his fault that the White House security was too incompeteent to notice?

:evilgrin:
rocknation
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:02 AM
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61. I wonder how common pseudonymes are in the press - thus the
I wonder how common pseudonymes are in the MSM press - thus the silence on that issue. That would shut me up if half my tv staff and all of my columnists had real names they used at other times.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:42 AM
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49. What shill have they replaced this guy with for the press gaggles? n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:44 AM
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50. why would a fitness instructor keep an attorney on retainer?
HOW would a fitness instructor afford an attorney?

i bet he doesn't even have a mother!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:30 AM
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54. BFD!
Oliver "traitor" North is a fucking journalist for FOXnews! It's our faults because we didn't make them answer for Iran/Contra. Now anything goes - no one is trying to stop them.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 02:48 AM
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55. Gannon's own words
Gannon declined to comment on whether federal investigators have contacted or interviewed him and said that he has yet to receive a subpoena. Gannon also noted that he has not been contacted by any other news agencies.

"I don't know why I'm on the list of journalists being called before the Grand Jury," Gannon told Talon News. "I have been an outspoken critic of the leak probe and an aggressive questioner of the motives behind it. That seems to have drawn the attention of someone with the authority to issue subpoenas."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093819/posts?page=20#20
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 02:56 AM
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56. I thought they had a better leash on him
Has the White House completely divorced itself from "Gannon"? Not even giving him any kind of counsel? Foolish, if you ask me. He needs to be served a big bowl of shut-the-hell-up.

Even though it appears from the interview that Bush & Co have hung him out to dry, you'd at least think he'd have hired his own attorney by now. You know, someone to put a muzzle on him before he gets himself into some really hot soup.

This event won't tarnish Bush much, but I really do think it has the ability to bring down McClellan, on the security issue alone, and his own tainted credibility in handling "journalists." There are many more questions to be asked; I can only hope that since the media just looooooves stories about themselves, they'll give this thing some legs.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:35 AM
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58. Are these sites similar in layout and content?
I know there are standard topics for web sites these days, but one logo looks like a stylized version of the other.

http://www.talonexec.com/under_operations.htm

http://www.talonnews.com/

Just my tin foil showing
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