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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 09:58 AM
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Russia close to upgrading its nuclear arms
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5535138

MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - Russia will soon be ready with a "unique" new generation of nuclear weapons that is
currently under development, Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov has said.

He said on Sunday the upgrade was part of a modernisation of Russia's strategic arsenal in which it was aiming for
quality, not quantity.

"We already see, we have every reason to believe it will be a unique system, not possessed by any country in the
world," Ivanov told journalists at the Munich Security Conference in Germany.

"Even these systems, which I hope will quite soon come to the inventories of the armed forces, will not be aimed
against any individual country," he added.

"They will simply allow us to guarantee our security and sovereignty against any threat, absolutely any threat that
exists ... or could arise in the future."

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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 10:00 AM
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2. I hope they don't spread it around.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 10:10 AM
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3. See what the boy king has done?
Made the entire freaking world know they need to arm themselves against us!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:09 PM
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13. The SOB has undone a generation of arms control efforts.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 10:25 AM
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4. No mention of what they may be
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:33 PM
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5. What I have gathered between the lines
from this guy's previous statements is that they have been engineered to defeat all the missile defense systems the U.S. has been working on.

I have also heard that our HAARP system in Alaska has been operational for several years now and can basically fry any ICBM upon its reentry into the eath's ionosphere. So the Russians have probably found a way around that also.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:31 PM
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15. HAARP!
i wonder how they beat the haarp?
heaven help us all
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LinuxInsurgent Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:37 PM
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6. no other countries....
ehem, ehem....USA...ehem...ehem...SOLE SUPERPOWER..ehem...ehem...
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:53 PM
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7. Russia plans new missile super-bases
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=934d43e60f505cc9&cat=hfu8sjsy4hjfjdha

MUNICH, Germany, Feb. 13 : Russia plans to build new strategic nuclear missile bases that will be the most advanced in the world, its defense minister said Sunday.

"We are developing new missile bases previously referred to by President Vladimir Putin. We have every reason to say that Russia will have missile bases that no other country in the world possesses," Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov told a press conference in Munich where he was attending an international conference on security policy.

Ivanov refused to give any details of the new bases, but he said they would be completed in the near future. The weapons systems that would be deployed at the new bases "will allow Russia to protect its sovereignty from all existing and possible threats," he said
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Seeing Red Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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Well, it makes sense
...after all, we are developing new nuclear weapons as well, including improving old ones that we had during the cold war.

first it was Gulf War 2, now Cold War 2 ... Bush is on a roll here ...
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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It's a high stakes game of "Risk" and we put a chimp in charge of the butt
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 06:28 PM by Skink
on.:nuke:
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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What is the deal with Russia and all the boasting about its new
weapons (yet to be bult)? Is Russia playing games with US or/and the rest of the world or what? I am a bit mystified here? Putin did all he could to boost b**h and disadvantage Kerry in the US election and now all these announcement about nuclear this, nuclear that, submarine this and that. What gives here?
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:53 PM
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8. Bush is bringing about a 2nd cold war.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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Thanks a pantload, Mr. "Bring it on"
My pappy used to tell me that if you went looking for trouble, you could almost always find it.

Too bad your Poppy hasn't got a clue. The coconut does not fall far from the tree.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:53 PM
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9. Back in the USSR
I thought the Cold War is over, but I suppose Bush and the Neocons have a sequel in mind.

Don't suppose we'd ever squabble over oil, do you?
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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It's possible.
With Bush's aggressive moves he could be putting Russia into a state of paranoia, not totally unjustified either. After all this is the 'uni-polar' moment. One tends to wonder if this is what Putin had in mind since Day 1. Russia has some oil but Iraq is the last REAL BIG strike.
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:53 PM
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10. This Cold War is going to get alot more complicated
These Neocons must drooling, or worse. During the Cold War it was them and us, the U.S. vs. the Soviets. Just two powers were playing the nuclear game. Now it's the U.S., Russia, Pakistan, India, North Korea,
and possibly Iran. This make the equation alot harder to predict. One must remember that you don't need the two super powers in a full force nuclear war to bring the human race down. Two smaller nations lobbing smaller nukes could cause the same result.

This gives the U.S. ANY excuse to keep military spending in the stratosphere. Quite bluntly, I do not believe that if us and Russia start running to the edge like we did over Cuba that we'll be able to pull back before we go over. God! I thought we were done with this!
What does Putin want? Why is he doing this?
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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Missile defense
The U.S. won't give up its dream of a "limited" (yeah, right) missile defense shield.

From what I have read, the HAARP system based in Alaska can already fry incoming ICBMs once they reenter the ionosphere. Russia is taking measures to get around that. Its ICBMs are currently useless, if you believe the HAARP propaganda.

It looks to me as if Russia is announcing, whether we believe it or not, that we have wasted hundreds of billions, if not trillions, on our missile defense initiatives.

Many don't believe North Korea's claims, so it shouldn't be difficult for them to dismiss this as well.

However, most of these same people fervently believed Saddam DID have WMDs. We will study what they believe or not and why in coming years, according to them. (Maybe we will, but their actions will be recorded in "abnormal psychology" textbooks moreso than in history books.)

Of course, we always said our missile defense schemes weren't directed against Russia to begin with. Once again, join me in saying, "Yeah, right."
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LinuxInsurgent Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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um...you forgot a teeny-weenie one in that list..
the most populous and much stronger (than Pakistan, India, North Korea, and Iran) People's Republic of China.

I know it was a "slight" on your part...:evilgrin:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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1. According to Scott Ritter and others...
... this is the Russian response to the Bushies' insistence upon pushing deployment of a missile defense system. These new bases are likely to accommodate the variant ICBM recently announced by Russia--mobile launchers to avoid hard targeting, short-burn solid-fuel rockets to escape burn-phase detection and maneuverable MIRVs to avoid anti-missile missiles--all defensive measures to thwart the US missile defense system. I think it's clear which of the two countries upped the nuclear ante. *sigh*
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jjtss Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:10 PM
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11. It goes hand in hand with......
Ivanov's expressed displeasure with Rice and Rumsfeld's criticism of Russia's brand of democracy. G.Brish doesn't believe that Putin is sincere. Bully diplomacy will only generate a bully answer. If they keep this up the nuclear holocaust could speed up its' inception.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:16 PM
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12. Maybe that is bushie's idea of Rapture, nuclear holocost? n/t
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:45 PM
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14. Yeah, cos what with AIDS, unemployment,
alcoholism, rampant poverty and homelesness and an economy going nowhere fast (not to mention the little matter of their ongoing brutalization of Chechnya), the Russians really need some new nukes so they can git respect again.

*makes methaphorical Westside sign*

sigh
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