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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:44 AM
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Bush Urges Renewal of Patriot Act
Bush Urges Renewal of Patriot Act

30 minutes ago

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) on Monday urged Congress to reauthorize the USA Patriot Act, the Justice Department (news - web sites)'s widely criticized anti-terrorism law.

"We must not allow the passage of time or the illusion of safety to weaken our resolve in this new war" on terrorism, Bush said at a swearing-in ceremony for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales at the Justice Department.

The president also argued that the Senate must give his nominees for the federal bench up-or-down votes without delay to fill vacancies in the courts.

The Patriot Act, passed in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, bolstered FBI (news - web sites) surveillance and law-enforcement powers in terror cases, increased use of material witness warrants to hold suspects incommunicado for months, and allowed secret proceedings in immigration cases.

more

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20050214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:47 AM
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1. He says as he swears in his pro-torture attorney general. (nt)
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:50 AM
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2. And they just keep on going...
They've got to continue their grand theatre -- the lies will continue to be told to propt up the Directors in Washington, D.C.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:16 PM
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17. Stand and Fight
"If we lose our Rights by force, we can take them back by force. If we lose our Rights by default, we can never get them back". author?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:51 AM
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3. Hmmm...51% thought Bush was "the illusion of safety"
He's now telling them they were delusional.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:52 AM
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4. Bye-bye, Fourth Amendment...
it sure was nice knowin' ya!

Redstone
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:58 AM
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5. the illusion of safety
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 11:59 AM by ixion
that sounds like a slip, to me. :evilgrin:


The unPATRIOTic Act is unconstitutional and should be repealed.



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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:20 PM
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6. Where is the OUTRAGE?
I'm still looking for it. The American public (with the exception of the ever vigilant few), are still asleep, hypnotized, GeeSus-afied, or just PLAIN DUMB.

:grr:
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:27 PM
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21. Right here!
I have BEEN outraged and I feel YOUR outrage...the apathy of the American people is unbelievable and DUMB. And yes, the liberals also that bitch all the time but don't act! They REALLY piss me off.
Sitting around waiting for some politician like "Howard the hopeful" a failed presidential candidate to change things FOR them.

March 19th antiwar/antiBush GLOBAL AND NATIONAL PROTEST. If you can't protest then donate $$ just DO SOMETHING!

www.answercoalition.org

Now is not the time for apathy, it is the time for REVOLUTIONARY ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pick up a book and read about the civil rights movement, whatever, just get motivated and ACT!

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Trish1168 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:09 PM
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26. I am outraged too
FYI...I was a republican 4 years ago, but still voted against Bush (I'm a social liberal and he gave me the heebee jeebees with his 'compassionate conservatism').

In the time since, I have converted full throttle to the democratic side. I have never seen so much irresponsibility and corruption in any presidential administration (and I do remember watergate, although I was young). I was asleep once and ignored the growing power and threat of the corpocracy, and Bush woke me up to alot of things, including the conspiracy of silence of the MSM (during the Iraq war).

And, after he was re-elected (or after the election was stolen again by the 4 voting machine GOP controlled corporations)....I really woke up. I started looking for alternative media (yeah AirAmerica) and reading books. Now I know how deeply corrupted our entire government system is. I always knew it was bad...but its far worse than I could have imagined. Bush is almost the Manchurian candidate....bought and paid for. But he didn't need an implant or brainwashing in order to do their bidding.

I'm not the only one who is waking up to all this. The tide is turning.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:40 PM
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7. And the sheeple will follow
:puke:
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:44 PM
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8. Well it seems to me
that if these freaks had heeded the FIFTY TWO warnings from April to September 2001 - they could have stopped the events of 9/11 and they didn't even have a Patriot Act then - oh I forgot they needed a Pearl Harbor - what the hell was I thinking....
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:02 PM
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9. If you elect me president, I would do away with homeland security....
Germany had the Fatherland, Russia had the Motherland. Are we so totalitarian that we need to call our country the homeland? Kill it.

In my presidency if elected, there would just be what is called the United States Security Department with an extension to our constitution allowing safeguards to citizen's right to privacy.

USSD could provide information as a service to the defense department and the the FBI, but would not report to them. Either of these entities, including Congress, Executive, and Judicial cannot gain information to U.S. Citizens without an official court order with reason. These court orders can be challenged at all times. If a breech has occured then those who broke the law are subject to a $500,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment. Information about international citizens would and could be freely shared. USSD would be stewarts to data and intelligence.

NSA and CIA would be absorbed into USSD. Furthermore, USSD would be divided into international, national, and digital. All information, including those of U.S. Citizens can be freely shared for faster intellegence processing.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:06 PM
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10. Thanks for pointing that out.
Glad I'm not the only one who is really bothered by that "Homeland" word.

Redstone
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:08 PM
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12. I hate the "Homeland" stuff
It's xenophobic, and exclusionary and it fosters an us and them mentality that does little to help the situation. IT just gives me the jackbooted Nazi feeling.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:15 PM
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16. Fatherland Security Act "Ver are your papers, please?"
Neo-Con Fascists running the outhouse!!
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:18 PM
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18. "It just gives me the jackbooted Nazi feeling"
Oh,yes. I was damned surprised that bushyboy didn't have soldiers doing the goose-step march during his Coronation parade.

Redstone
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:08 PM
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11. How else can the Imperials clamp down on Filthy Little Nobodies
after the Treasury has been Looted and Amerika has found it's New Level as Third World Orwellian Tyranny?

Something's going to have to be done with all those poor and angry Filthy Little Nobodies who dare to question their Emperor and THE PARTY.
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LeaderlessResistance Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:52 PM
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13. Bush Urges Renewal of Patriot Act
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 01:52 PM by LeaderlessResistance
"Under Bush and Ashcroft the exercise of First Amendment rights has become synonymous with terrorism." Mara Verheyden-Hilliard
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:06 PM
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14. Only the Patriot Act in its entirety can keep us safe and only then under
a Repug administration.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:12 PM
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15. So Does Anyone In The Senate Oppose It?
And where is the Senatorial opposition to the renewel of the Patriot Act?

A filibuster would be nice. Maybe John Kerry will lead the Congressional opposition to the Patriot Act. Sure. And the moon is made out of cheese.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:22 PM
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19. They wanted to wait until after the election to renew it
They weren't about to give those powers to a Kerry Administration. Too bad, he could have had Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin thrown in jail indefinently as the terrorists that they are.
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skeeters Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:27 PM
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20. Where's The Beef
OK, Chimp

Show us all the great success of the Patriot Act.

Where are these thousands of terrorists you say our now in this Country. Where are all the trials. Oops, forgot, you don't believe in having a trial.

I know they got five or so guys in New York. I missed all the explosives and dirty bombs they were supposed to attack us with.

As someone else pointed out, correctly, this is just to scare the stupid.

We are the ones they will be using it on. We will soon be called insurgents.
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:31 PM
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22. Has the patriot act convicted even one terrorist?
Leave it to the Dems, they'll pass it. The entire government is corrupt and has GOT TO GO!

:mad: NOW!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:35 PM
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23. I am hoping Feingold takes a leadership role on this...
Curbing the excesses of the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act is one of the outcomes I want my vote to contribute to...Russ was there last time, I am hoping he will be there again.

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:03 PM
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24. Ooh...Big Bad Terrarists
gonna git us if we don't renew Duh Patriot Act.
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LeaderlessResistance Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:31 PM
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25. Bush Urges Renewal of Patriot Act

"We need a common enemy to unite us. We need a new threat." Condoleeza Rice, March 2000
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Trish1168 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:20 PM
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27. can't keep the military industrial complex well fed otherwise
Its important that the payers fork over 100's of billions to the corporate elite. The poor corporations were feeling all neglected and desperate. Halliburton needs the money to bail itself out of asbestos litigation. Isn't this the most important thing?

As for the rest of America, they don't need no stinkin' schools, and those poor people are milking the system.

.....................

Back to being real me..

Is this how they really think?

What do they expect to gain from having a fascist state? Why do they want the power to bully us citizens? Why are they doing this?

I joined the ACLU this week. If you care, I recommend it.
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:16 PM
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28. Does anyone have a link to a website/article
That explains the Patriot act in detail? I'm going to post it on all of the Republican forums.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:33 PM
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30. ACLU Explains It Well...
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 09:40 PM by thecai


URL: http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207

USA PATRIOT Act

USA PATRIOT Act
Just 45 days after the September 11 attacks, with virtually no debate, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act. Many parts of this sweeping legislation take away checks on law enforcement and threaten the very rights and freedoms that we are struggling to protect. For example, without a warrant and without probable cause, the FBI now has the power to access your most private medical records, your library records, and your student records... and can prevent anyone from telling you it was done.

The Department of Justice is expected to introduce a sequel, dubbed PATRIOT II, that would further erode key freedoms and liberties of every American.

The ACLU and many allies on the left and right believe that before giving law enforcement new powers, Congress must first re-examine provisions of the first PATRIOT Act to ensure that is in alignment with key constitutional protections.

SUMMARIES AND ANALYSIS
> Summary of the USA PATRIOT Act and Other Government Acts
> Text of the USA PATRIOT Act
> ACLU Fact Sheet on Surveillance under the USA PATRIOT Act
> ACLU Fact Sheet on Section 215: How the Patriot Act Threatens Your Personal Records
> ACLU Fact Sheet on "PATRIOT II"
> How "PATRIOT Act II," The Domestic Security Enhancement Act, Would Further Erode the Basic > Checks on Government Power
> Section-by-Section Analysis of "PATRIOT II"
> Additional Analyses of How PATRIOT Powers Threaten Liberty and Privacy
AUDIO ARCHIVE
> Executive Director Anthony Romero debunks PATRIOT Act untruths and misconceptions (RealOne Player required)
FEATURES
> ACLU Challenge to "National Security Letter" Authority
> ACLU Files First-Ever Challenge to USA PATRIOT Act, Citing Radical Expansion of FBI Powers
> FISA - The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
> ACLU sues for records about PATRIOT Act surveillance
CONSERVATIVE VOICES
> Conservative Voices Against the USA PATRIOT Act
> Conservative Voices Against PATRIOT Act II
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:45 PM
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31. Wikipedia
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:25 PM
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29. The name should be Bushland Uber Alles Act. There's nothing patriotic
about flushing the Constitution down the toilet.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:44 AM
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32. Correct
Oasis... you hit the nail right on the head, "there is nothing patriotic about flushing the Constitution down the toilet".
REPEAL The UNpatriotic PATRIOT Acts!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:11 AM
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33. Leaderless Resistance, David the Gnome, Trish1168, and Skeeters
Welcome to DU!!

:hi:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:12 AM
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34. Renew, or I will declare Martial Law and remain King forever.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:37 AM
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35.  Bush pushes Congress to extend Patriot Act
IHT
By Eric Lichtblau The New York Times
Wednesday, February 16, 2005

WASHINGTON President George W. Bush urged the United States to continue its "urgent mission" to fight terrorism, and he called on Congress to move quickly to extend sweeping law enforcement powers under the USA Patriot Act, which was enacted soon after the Sept. 11 attacks.
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"We must not allow the passage of time or the illusion of safety to weaken our resolve in this new war," Bush said in a speech at the Justice Department on Monday. "To protect the American people, Congress must promptly renew all provisions of the Patriot Act."
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The president's remarks came at the formal swearing-in of his friend and longtime adviser, Alberto Gonzales, as the nation's 80th attorney general. Gonzales won Senate confirmation this month by a vote of 60 to 36 after a sharp debate that focused on the administration's terrorism policies and their impact on the treatment of prisoners
.
Bush built his re-election campaign last year around the assertion that he was the candidate best able to defend the country against another terrorist attack. In taking on the subject of the Patriot Act once again, he showed no signs of backing away from that approach.
.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/15/news/patriot.html
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:37 AM
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36. We ought to send reading glasses to all our congress critters and
a pair of scissors.

Last time the dopes voted without even reading the document.
They need to cut out the attacks on civil liberties.

Seriously, everyone should write to their congressional delegation ask them to justify their support for the rights grabbing sections, make their staffs read the accursed thing.


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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:37 AM
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37. ABSOLUTELY!
REPEAL The PATRIOT Acts!
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:37 AM
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38. US dissent is louder than he originally anticipated, time to redraft....
so that he can silence those who point out his corruption. He is the greatest terrorist on this planet. No "terrorist" could frighten me more than bushco. does.


The "terrorists" he wants to stop are those giving him grief.
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