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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 03:18 AM
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Police: Dodgers fan shot, killed by Giants fan
Fan shot in Parking Lot Area of Stadium

LOS ANGELES -- A Los Angeles Dodgers fan was shot and killed by a San Francisco Giants fan following a dispute in the parking lot after Friday night's game, police said.

"Apparently we have multiple suspects who are Giants fans who got into an argument with a Dodger fan," police spokeswoman Adriana Sanchez said. "One of the suspects shot the Dodger fan and then fled the location."

The victim, who was not identified, was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead, Sanchez said. He was shot in the torso about 10 p.m. as people were leaving the game, which the Giants won 6-4.

Police searched the sprawling Dodger Stadium parking lot in the hills north of downtown late into the evening.



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1619711&partnersite=espn
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 03:25 AM
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1. Now THAT'S a rivalry!
Is violence all Americans know? What an angry nation we are...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:00 AM
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5. Good thing they have laws against this in Calif
Sheesh more gun violence
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 12:28 PM
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19. LOL, oh yeah
There are never any shootings in California, the laws must be working. <sarcasm>
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 03:39 AM
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2. Just 2 nights ago
a Giants fan died in an accident at Pac Bell Park, falling off the railing trying to get his sunglasses.

Yikes.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 04:00 AM
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3. this isn't the onion....
is it? i've heard of yankee fans killing red sox fans and raider fans killing cops..but a laid back dodger fan?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 08:20 AM
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8. The Yankee-Sox games can get very ugly.
Here's a few stories:
I refuse to go to Sox games at the stadium since I don't like mustard thrown on me as happened several years back.
A few more years back some hooligan at Yankee Stadium threw a KNIFE(!) onto the field where it landed next to Angels' rightfielder Wally Joiner.
After the Mets defeated the sox in the final WS game in '86, one of the Red Sox staff was hit in the head by a beer bottle hurled from the upper decks.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 06:15 AM
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4. At the only game I've seen in Dodger stadium, beer sales
were cut off like in the 4th inning because of fights in the stands. I've seen major league games in several stadiums around the country including Anaheim and old Candlestick. I've never seen the violence I saw at Dodger stadium at any other place.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:08 AM
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6. Nah the Bears / Packers rivalry was better
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 07:09 AM by saigon68
I went to a game at Lambeau in 1990. It was a Thursday night at 8:00 pm. The fans started showing up at Noon to tailgate and drink.

Over 200 people were arrested, and another 500 were ejected. One woman 2 rows away from me had her leg broken. There were dozens of fights. No one was killed but there were at least 20 injuries requiring medical attention.

After that there was no tailgating allowed in the lot until 3 hours before the game. Problem is the hooligans just moved across the street to do their drinking.

The Bears won 6-0. It was a very boring game, the action was in the stands
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 02:15 PM
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25. Stay out of the bleachers!
It gets nasty in the cheap seats, especially if the Giants are in town. I used to share season tickets and would see multiple fights every single game. They're out of control, kind of like * and his gang of thugs.
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:58 AM
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7. This kind of thing happened when both teams were in New York
In the 40's-50's there were Gaints bars and Dodger bars - you had to be careful where you went. I don't know the details but my dad remembers a Dodger Fan getting shot.

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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 08:45 AM
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10. well, not exactly
the people of NY had the good sense to confine the Dodgers and their fans to the borough of Brooklyn, the rest of NY was split among Yankee and Giant fans.....I grew up a few miles from the Polo Grounds, and not much further from Yankee Stadium, in the Bronx.

Ive been a baseball fan (and die hard Giant rooter) since seeing my first game, ironically a Giant Dodger double header in 1948 ( I was 5 years old and still remember it well). Until the strike and subsequent cancellation of the world series I went to about 25-30 games a year, now I watch these primadonas on TV and refuse to give them my money....but , at all those games and during all those years I remember a few drunken fights here and there but nothing like this sort of violence.

It is a mirror of the times in which we live, a pResident that gleefully attacks and murders thousands of innocent civilians and then ,later, says ,"oops, Saddaam just might not be the threat we thought he was, but what the hell, done is done"......
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:01 AM
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11. you got a problem with Brooklyn?

As a matter of historical record - the Giants were third in attendance of the three NY teams during this era so at least a few folks from outside flatbush were going to the games. The Giants didn't even draw a million people with Willie Mays playing center field.

There may not have been many fights in the stands but there were plenty in the bars - Whitey Ford, Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin were involved in a pretty famous one that got Martin bounced from the Yankees if memory serves.

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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 10:04 AM
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27. loyal Bronxian
thus I must through genetic imperative, slander the Brooklynites....

Popularity is no arbiter of excellence you know,and , though the oddly shaped Polo Grounds might have rarely been filled to capacity, it was the place to be.....Today it is Pac Bell Park, which, incidentally drew over three million again this year.

( no insult intended Bob3, and your example should have included Giants brawling and not Yankees, dontch think?)
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 08:29 AM
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9. Missouri State Legislators just passed "conceled carry" law-
against the will of the majority who voted it down last year...

and Missouri is on track to have the lowest hand gun deaths in 20 years-
not for long...

sure the "law" prohibits guns being carried into public events but surely some
backwoods "sports fan" is gonna say "hey- Ah gots me a rahght to carry mah
gun if i wants to! cuz i'm a 'Murikan!"

and there's LOTS of 'em here in Missou-rah.... sheesh.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:20 AM
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13. Your comment is not logically connected to the event we're discusing
Unless you can show that the Giants fan who did the shooting had a concealed weapons permit. You are correct that even if he did it would have been illegal to bring one to the stadium.

sure the "law" prohibits guns being carried into public events but surely some
backwoods "sports fan" is gonna say "hey- Ah gots me a rahght to carry mah
gun if i wants to! cuz i'm a 'Murikan!"


And would not be even slightly deterred by not having a permit for the gun.

I would wager the person was not even legally entitled to possess a gun (prior criminal record, drug abuser, domestic violence etc.)
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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 01:15 PM
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22. I think he/she was stressing that the nation needs to make guns,
unavailable to those who will act irresponsibly. I believe it was sarcastic.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 08:00 AM
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26. Too bad this Dodger fan wasn't carrying. He could have died well armed.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:09 PM
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33. Heh... yep...
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:17 AM
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12. lets hope
that it never dissolves to the level of insane violence and thuggery I witnessed at English football matches in the 70's...

Didn't stop me from going to the matches though...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:22 AM
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14. We're becoming more and more like the British every day
People get killed at sporting events in the UK just about every year.

Some folks take their sports way too seriously!
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Bombero1956 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:27 AM
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15. If I'm not mistaken
The city of Philadelphia set up a court room at Veterans Stadium. During Eagles games anybody arrested is instantly brought before a judge. It seems to have calmed things down a bit.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:34 AM
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17. That plus some metal detectors would help a lot
There were metal detectors at all the entrances to the Super Bowl this year. They caught quite a few knives, guns, and other weapons.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 09:46 PM
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31. Egfhd...s.hddd,,....aaosj**lfnnnaa?
My head is spinning.....

Yes, killing rival fans is practically a sport in itself in the UK.....

There have been lots of clashes between rival fans, particularly those associated with several specific clubs (e.g. Milwall). Regrettably there have indeed been a few deaths.

WAIT FOR IT>>>>WAIT FOR IT>>>>>>>YOU KNOW IT'S COMING!!!!!!!!

And of course, there would have been more deaths if UK thugs were able to arm themselves with guns rather than fenceposts and knives....

I thank you!

P.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:34 AM
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16. Good grief -- is this theatre of the absurd?
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 10:34 AM by Jack Rabbit
Republicans steal elections and shred the Bill of Rights.

Iraq is under colonial occupation after a rogue invasion predicated by lies.

American televison news acts as a government/GOP propaganda ministry.

And one can get killed over one's loyalty to the local baseball team.

This is simply grotesque.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 08:43 PM
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30. You just said it all
Great job! :toast:



PS. I used to laugh at people arguing about sports. I may be more polite from now on. :scared: :eyes:
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:30 AM
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18. This is why I love my Detroit Tigers
"They SUCK!"

"I KNOW!"

".....cool, let's go get a beer."
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 12:55 PM
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20. The Tigs don't just suck
They're about to become The Suckiest Sucks Who Ever Sucked.
John
Been to six games this year at the Coma and the Tigs lost all of them. Mike B and I are going next Saturday, which should be loss 121 if we're guessing right. Lose or lose big -- it's still Tiger baseball.
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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 01:17 PM
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23. LOL...
I'm a Rangers fan. I have to live with it.

:eyes:
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:07 AM
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28. Rangers -- check.
That was one of the losses, though it took 16 innings. ARod hit one to the opposite field about 470 feet in the top of the 16th. Thank you for coming. Drive safely.
John
The Tigers are the only team in the American League with a losing career record vs the Devil Rays. I'm so proud.
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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 01:07 PM
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21. How ridiculous! How tragic. I love sports but wouln't die for any game.
What a fucking waste. I'm sick of this world.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 01:45 PM
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24. Don't be too sure:
"I love sports but wouln't die for any game"

I doubt that he DECIDED to die ...

But rather that some rival sports fan decided to KILL ...

Its all about winning, about Us vs Them. Which is, I admit, my problem with team sports.

WW2 might have been "Won on the playing fields of Eaton" - but, more likely, it was won by foot-sloggers who never had a glimpse of Eaton.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:52 AM
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29. Again, don't sports just bring out the best in people?
How about a worldwide 1% tax on sports? Surely that'd end world hunger and it wouldn't really crimp the style of people in this truly meaningful and productive pastime...
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 09:52 PM
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32. BEAT L-A!!! BEAT L-A!!! BEAT L-A!!!
We're gonna have to change that chant ...

KILL L-A!!! KILL L-A!!! KILL L-A!!!
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:21 PM
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34. What Do I Know About Sports?
Edited on Sun Sep-21-03 11:22 PM by Don_G
I'm a Cubs Fan.
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