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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:31 PM
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CIA seizes Sen. Jackson papers
Christ!!! The guy's been dead for over twenty years. Did something here impicate the Bush's?

By Lara Bain
Herald Writer


SEATTLE - Five federal government officials, including three from the CIA, have removed several documents from the archival papers of the late Sen. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson housed at the University of Washington.

Last week the federal document security team spent three days in the special collections division of the UW Suzzallo-Allen library. The officials, which also included people from the Department of Defense and Department of Energy, combed through 1,200 boxes of material using a five-binder index to find the targeted papers.

Carla Rickerson, head of special collections, said the team removed up to 10 documents.

She would not disclose the exact number or subject matter of the documents because of the university's privacy policies.

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/02/15/100loc_jackson001.cfm
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:34 PM
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1. Probably something implicating the Chimp or Bush Sr.....
You KNOW they have to be coveing their tracks!

:kick::kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:34 PM
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2. It would be great if this was about treason
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 07:58 PM by seemslikeadream
Espionage. Things that are happening now do go back to Richard Perle and Scoop, I believe


The principals have also assisted each other down through the years. Frequently. In 1973 Richard Perle used his (and Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's) influence as a senior staff member of the Senate Armed Services Committee to help Wolfowitz obtain a job with the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. In 1982, Perle hired Feith in ISP as his Special Counsel, and then as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Negotiations Policy. In 2001, DOD Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz helped Feith obtain his appointment as Undersecretary for Policy. Feith then appointed Perle as Chairman of the Defense Policy Board. In some cases, this mutual assistance carries risks, as for instance when Perle's hiring of Bryen as his Deputy in ISP became an extremely contentious issue in Perle's own Senate appointment hearings as Assistant Secretary.

Every appointment/hiring listed above involved classified work for which high-level security clearances and associated background checks by the FBI were required. When the level of the clearance is not above generic Top Secret, however, the results of that background check are only seen by the hiring authority. And in the event, if the appointee were Bryen or Ledeen and the hiring authority were Perle, Wolfowitz or Feith, the appointee(s) need not have worried about the findings of the background check. In the case of Perle hiring Bryen as his deputy in 1981, for instance, documents released in 1983 under the Freedom of Information Act indicate that the Department provided extraordinarily high clearances for Bryen without having reviewed more than a small portion of his 1978-79 FBI investigation file.



RICHARD PERLE: A HABIT OF LEAKING

Perle came to Washington for the first time in early 1969, at the age of 28, to work for a neo-con think tank called the "Committee to Maintain a Prudent Defense Policy." Within months, Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson offered Perle a position on his staff, working with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And within months after that--less than a year--Perle was embroiled in an affair involving the leaking of a classified CIA report on alleged past Soviet treaty violations.

The leaker (and author of the report) was CIA analyst David Sullivan, and the leakee was Richard Perle. CIA Director Stansfield Turner was incensed at the unauthorized disclosure, but before he could fire Sullivan, the latter quit. Turner urged Sen. Jackson to fire Perle, but he was let off with a reprimand. Jackson then added insult to injury by immediately hiring Sullivan to his staff. Sullivan and Perle became close friends and co-conspirators, and together established an informal right-wing network which they called "the Madison Group," after their usual meeting place in--you might have guessed--the Madison Hotel Coffee Shop.

more
http://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:56 PM
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6. Perle used to work for Scoop
Maybe there's a bit of CYA going on.

There's been some suggestion the late Senator was the founder of the Neo-con movement. This is something his son vehemently disagrees with.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:00 PM
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8. I just added a bit more from that article
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 08:00 PM by seemslikeadream
Look who the leakee is
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:06 AM
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41. Good Lawd!!! A "leaker"? Like "Deep Throat"?
Say it isn't so.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:12 PM
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11. Ah. That explains it for sure
:thumbsup:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:06 PM
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10. Perle is a walking national security risk.
I remember bits and pieces of this....but it's a good read to see how this whole group has been reconstituted in a Big Way.

Talk about a confluence of interests coming together-Big Oil and Israel are well represented in this administration. And we are the big losers.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:34 PM
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3. Someone must be getting close to breaking something wide open!
The parallels to the Nixon years are astounding! Yet another angle to pursue, I guess!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:49 PM
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4. Porter Goss is the head of the CIA
i'm thinking nothing is gonna break open that will make bush look bad.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:56 PM
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5. I'm thinking they just attempted a CYA move and HOPING the evidence
is already in the hands of those that need it. I suspect the surveillance issue is just as prevalent today as it was 30 years ago. they probably heard someone else wanted access to the documents or had copies of it. Something will break eventually. None of those agencies are as all powerful as they want you to think they are. They have been outwitted many times before!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:59 PM
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7. i keep the eternal hope candle lit at all times
something has to break at somepoint, he cannot escape Karma.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:17 PM
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56. I hope you're right! Actually, it is my experience in life that what goes
around comes around.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:09 PM
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55. Porter Goss Porter Goss Porter Goss was a POLITICAL appointment
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:31 PM
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57. Indeed, the CIA is as pro-Bush as it ever could be
after the purge of as many Clinton era people they could get out.
Also they have been tailoring it to "yes" (rubber stamp) all Bush policy.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:20 AM
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32. That's why they want to get the Invasion of Syria going
I think they've put that operation into high gear because now their shit is really starting to fall apart.

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:06 PM
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9. Richard Perle used to work for this guy...
There were also illegalities serving his true master, Israel, that came out at the time. Is this the reason?

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:13 PM
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12. The dusting of trails...
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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:20 PM
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13. Didn't novack have something to do with
an article that was written about that time. Someone had a thread on it a couple of weeks ago. It had something to do with Matsui I think.
Tried to search for it in the archives but can't find it. Maybe someone here has a better memory jog than I'm having. It was with all the Watergate threads and one name that came up was novacks
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:52 PM
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16. Don't let me trace Jeff Gannon/James Guckert to Seattle
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 09:28 PM by jmcgowanjm
Just imagine that it was discovered that a prostitute was
given regular access to the White House, circumventing
normal security procedures, given access to the president
and access to classified information about weapons of
mass destruction.

http://www.americablog.blogspot.com/

White House queried on media policy

WASHINGTON -- In a letter to President Bush yesterday,
Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., called for an explanation of how
a Talon News reporter who used the pseudonym "Jeff
Gannon" was admitted to White House
briefings.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/211439_presscorps10.html

As we've said before on this blog, and elsewhere (Digby said
it best in a blog post further down), just imagine if this were
1998 and the president were named Bill Clinton. Just
imagine that it was discovered that a prostitute was given
regular access to the White House, circumventing
normal security procedures, given access to the president
and access to classified information about weapons of
mass destruction.
What would the Republicans do?
A. Run in fear.
B. Jump for joy and beat the crap out of us with it.
Answer: There would be a TV commercial with the president and the prostitute.
I'm telling you, folks. Keep an eye on these supposed allies we have on the Hill.

http://www.americablog.blogspot.com/
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:03 PM
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17. kick
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 09:08 PM by jmcgowanjm

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:25 PM
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14. Can you say "public domain"
"She would not disclose the exact number or subject matter of the documents because of the university's privacy policies."

These papers were in the collection of a PUBLIC university. "Scoop" willed them to the UW in public trust.

Sheesh.
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d.l.Green Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:34 AM
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36. I don't think they were referring to their "privacy policy" as far as the
papers were concerned. I think maybe they were referring to the restriction of them as the result of the Patriot Act from acknowledging the search and seizure of some of these papers by these agencies. "Sensitive" information is no longer public even in retrospect...
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:48 PM
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15. A question for curators
When a major collection is donated to an institution, aren't the documents copied/digitized & catalogued? The feds may have taken the originals, but wouldn't UW still have copies?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:38 PM
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25. That's what I want to know - hang on to those copies!! n/t
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:39 PM
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59. They're not digitized
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 02:54 PM by Ratty
That's very expensive and is rarely done.

However, detailed guides to the collection are usually made available online.

http://tinyurl.com/3mtpe

On edit: Damn, crappy website. There seems to be no way to link to anything without first creating a "session," searching, clicking. I HATE when academic sites do that. Anyway, go here:

http://nwda.wsulibs.wsu.edu/

And search for "Henry M. Jackson Papers"
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:13 PM
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18. The origins of neo-conservative thinking (cont.)
Some of the other neo-conservatives to have worked with
Scoop Jackson are William Kristol (son of Irving Kristol),
Elliott Abrams (son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz) and
Frank Gaffney. Perle and Abrams, working out of
Jackson's office, used the issue of Jewish emigration from
the Soviet Union to undermine U.S.-Soviet détente.
Jackson sponsored legislation that made the Soviet
Union's gaining "most favoured nation status" contingent on
an increase in Jewish
emigration.

http://www.philosophynotes.com/politics/neocon_ascendency6.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:22 PM
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20. Elliott Abrams


...

Although he entered the Reagan administration scandal-free, he left as a convicted criminal. Abrams, who in 1985 became the administration's assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs, was indicted by the Iran-Contra special prosecutor for intentionally deceiving Congress about the administration's role in supporting the Contras, including his own central role in the Iran-Contra arms deal.

Abrams pleaded guilty to two lesser offenses (including withholding information from Congress) to avoid a trial and a possible jail term. He and five other Iran-Contra figures were pardoned by President George H.W. Bush on Christmas Eve 1992, shortly before the senior Bush left office.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/barry.php?articleid=4847
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:43 PM
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26. WH NeoCons Gay Military Prostitute Ring
How many hot button issues can you get into
a certain space.

What does seem apparent is that McClennan knew that he
was a plant.  What is interesting is what else he might
have known about him.  Possibly nothing.  Let's not forget
the awful job of vetting they did with Bernard Kerik.  They
were going to put him in the Administration entirely on the say-
so of Guliani.  "Gannon" may have gotten into these
media events simply because one person vouched for him,
and they didn't bother to look into him any
further.

http://mr-murder.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/54956/90428

I'm bothering to look further.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:23 PM
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72. Perle & undermining US foreign policy efforts seem to go hand-in-hand
Regardless of what this Scoop Jackson incident involves, he should be tried for high crimes and treason.



Should Perle be Prosecuted for Spying for Israel and Sabotaging President Clinton's Foreign Policy?
12-Mar-03
Richard Perle
When Richard Perle called investigative reporter Sy Hersh a terrorist, he opened the door to a thorough investigation of his own background. Perle was caught spying for Israel in 1970 while working in Congress. And in 1983 he was caught taking payments from an Israeli weapons manufacturer while working in the Reagan Pentagon. In 1996, Perle sought to undermine President Clinton's Middle East peace efforts by urging Benjamin Netanyahu to attack Iraq and other countries, to occupy Palestinian territories, and to end the peace process. In 2000, Perle was caught trying to undermine the Clinton-Barak-Arafat negotiations at Camp David. So why was Perle never arrested and charged? We demand a Special Prosecutor!




Richard Perle Sabotaged Mideast Peace Talks in July 2000
11-Mar-03
Richard Perle
In July 2000, Richard Perle contacted the Israeli government and deliberately tried to sabotage President Clinton's Mideast Peace talks at Camp David, when Clinton worked around the clock with Ehud Barak and Yassir Arafat to find a formula for peace. Barak's people reported the matter to Clinton, and Bush was forced to publicly disavow the efforts on his behalf to sabotage negotiations. Bush said he 'disagreed' with what Perle did, as if his campaign had not directed and/or approved of it. At the time, there were demands that Perle be prosecuted for illegally interfering with American foreign policy. Naturally, Bush's new AG John Ashcroft scrubbed the case.


Anger at peace talks 'meddling'

Political scandal in US as Bush advisers tell Israelis to be ready to walk out of Camp David negotiations
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,342854,00.html

*despite this, Bu$h** has welcomed him into his administration

http://207.188.221.246/preview.cfm?term=Richard%20Perle

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-33,GGLD:en&q=perle+clinton+mideast+peace+undermine
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DWolper Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:16 PM
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19. A Little About Scoop
Probably all of todays neocons over the age of fifty trace at least part of their political roots (if not their employment) back to Scoop Jackson. He was a vehemently pro-Israel Senator who made unsuccessful runs for the Democratic nomination in 1972 and 1976. His money was almost totally from defense contractors and pro-Israeli groups. I'm real curious about this raid on the archives.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:23 PM
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21. Can I ask
Would this raid help us in any way get rid of Bush & Co.? Is the C.I.A. on our side?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:27 PM
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22. CIA has for years behaved as the President's private army. eom
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:28 PM
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23. People are starting to dig up stuff to connect the dots and it's got them
nervous.
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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:31 PM
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24. If The CIA Can Take The Papers From IW
Why can't they take the Reagan and Poppy's papers from texas. Since they were supposed to be released to the public?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:52 PM
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27. New York Daily News Thursday, February 10, 2005
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 10:00 PM by jmcgowanjm
"The issue here is whether someone with connections to
male prostitution was given unfettered access to the
White House and copies of internal CIA documents. For a
family values administration, that's pretty creepy," said
John Aravosis, one of the bloggers chasing the
story

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/stirring-white-house-honey-pot.html

This thing can get X rated fast. Remember how
the "Lewinsky' came into being?

"Bush solicits soft queries; pseudonymous man-whore
pitches the balls."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=52515&forum=13

Gannon was also given a classified CIA memo that
named agent Valerie Plame, leading to his grilling by the
grand jury investigating her
outing.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/stirring-white-house-honey-pot.html

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:46 AM
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49. Historically, the CIA didn't do ops inside the US borders
So while this may just be more of the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz secrecy stupidity that has removed all kinds of documents from the public domain...

I WANNA KNOW when the CIA started doing these sorts of confiscations. How many of them have been done?

Having the FBI or the Secret Service/Treasury Agents/Federal Marshalls do the confiscation would have been more expected back in the good old days.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:49 AM
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50. Thanks for that
I've been wondering the same thing
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:41 AM
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47. nevermind...question answered below. n/t
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 11:46 AM by KoKo01
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:43 AM
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48. KoKo01
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 11:45 AM by seemslikeadream
look at post #43
McCamy Taylor is being mean to me, wants me to answer my own question!


:hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 01:12 PM
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53. LOL's....I checked it out....all the dirt about Scoop.....
:D
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:56 PM
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28. Oh, this ought to be interesting.
The DLCers should show up any minute to praise the jingoistic Mr. Jackson. His supporters in and out of the White House (Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) sure praise the late Democratic senator a lot.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:00 PM
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29. Jackson Oversaw CIA "Black Budget"-Gave Nod to US Backed Coups in Iraq
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 10:19 PM by chlamor
Jackson was nicknamed "The Senator from Boeing" and a consummate Washington power broker and militarist. I wonder if his role in the Iraqi coups needs to be covered up. Perhaps Saddam is going to trial and someone wanted to access those CIA files which could be damning? That's just speculation on my part. Here are a few excerpts from an article linked below:

"But it was in national security that Jackson's impact was deepest. The hawks' hawk, he was to the right of many in both parties. Not even the massive retaliation strategy and roving CIA interventions of the Eisenhower '50s were tough enough for him. Perched on the mighty Armed Services Committee as well as his other bases of power, he went on over the next decade to goad the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, urging the Vietnam War, fatter military budgets, stronger support of Israel in the Middle East and a more aggressive foreign policy in general."
"It was then, 40 years ago, that Jackson began to be linked directly, if furtively, to some of the uglier and little-known origins of the war on Iraq in 2003. Overseeing the CIA's "black budget" for covert operations and interventions from a subcommittee of Armed Services, he was one of a handful of senators who gave a nod to two U.S.-backed coups in Iraq, one in 1963 and again in 1968. Those plots brought Saddam Hussein to power amid bloodbaths in which the CIA, exacting the price for its support, handed Saddam and his Baath Party cohorts lists of supposed anti-U.S. Iraqis to be killed."

"The result was the systematic murder of several hundred and as many as several thousand people, in which Saddam himself participated. Whatever the toll, accounts agree that CIA killing lists comprised much of Iraq's young educated elite -- doctors, teachers, technicians, lawyers and other professionals as well as military officers and political figures -- Iraqis who would not be there to oppose Saddam's growing tyranny over ensuing years or to help rebuild or govern Iraq, as the United States now hopes to do, after the current war."
Link was broken to read entire article go to www.seattlepi.com and put 'Scoop Jackson into search. Scroll down for article titled "THE Road the US Traveled to Baghdad was Paved by 'Scoop' Jackson, written on April 6, 2003 by Roger Morris. The Seattle Post Intelligencer also has many other recent articles re; Scoop and his influence.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:01 AM
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39. Two interesting years for coups,
1963 & 1968
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:19 PM
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71. I live in Jackson's home town., Everett WA
As I stated earlier his son disagrees with much of what you say. In fact he did an editorial piece recently in the Seattle PI rebutting many of the neo-con claims.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:31 PM
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30. MinstrelBoy's post-found it trying to tie Craig Spence w/ Sen Jackso
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 10:48 PM by jmcgowanjm
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:16 AM
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31. September 1, 1983-A bad day for Boeing
The cause of death was a heart attack. Jackson had
been recovering from a chest cold for the previous week to
two weeks. He had just returned home from a
meeting pertaining to the Korean Airliner that was shot down
by the Soviets. He represented the manufacturer of that
airliner, which had been shot down over Korea. He had
returned from Seattle by driving, got home and had a heart
attack a few hours
later.

Jackson had no heart history, had never smoked, was fit
and industrious. He was born in 1912 and was 71 years old
at the time of his heart attack at home. H'ed driven home
from Seattle after he returned from the trip to China and Korea
a week to two weeks previously, during which he'd caught
a chest cold from which he was thought recovered.
The Democratic Senator from Washington state had chaired
the Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs and the
Committee on Energy and Natural
Resources.

The detailed data on Senator Jackson's seat was also
not easily or readily available. Only a curiosity on my part as
to the fate of Senator Jackson and the nature of
the circumstances of his 1983 heart attack caused me to look
far enough into it that I consulted the local library. They
referred me to Time's somewhat obscure article. It showed
me that Evans' third party activity must definitely be factored in
as part of the determination of which party won that
November 1983 Senate election in Washington state:
neither.

http://home.att.net/~m.standridge/farnaway.htm
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:31 AM
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35. Guess who pops up here-Anybody ever hear of a guy named Bush?
Jackson turned 71 in May 1983, but was known for his
healthy lifestyle and appeared vigorous and fit. As a result,
his sudden death on September 1, 1983, was a
shock.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/printer_friendly/index.cfm?file_id=5516

Months after the scandal had died down, and a few
weeks before Spence allegedly committed suicide in a room
of Ritz-Carlton Hotel, in Boston, he was asked who had
given him the "key'' to the White House. The Washington
Times reported that "Mr. Spence hinted the tours were
arranged by 'top level' persons, including Donald Gregg,
national security advisor to Vice President Bush, and later
U.S. ambassador to South
Korea.

http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/bios3/spen01.html

This is what I was looking for:

Many people recall the Watergate scandal of 1972,
when Republican President Nixon’s operatives broke into
the Democratic National Committee headquarters.  But
few know of other Nixon antics, including the planting of lies
in the media about Democratic presidential candidates. 
For instance, Nixon’s team spread false rumors that
Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson was a homosexual (See
Almost America "The Impeachment of
Nixon").

http://www.deanhartwell.com/page269626_files/archivesnew/Lie%20Cheat%20Steal%20It's%20the%20Republican%20Way.htm

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:23 AM
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34. Wasn't Lee Atwater
connected to Scoop Jackson?

Bush and Rove are both Atwater's prodigy.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:40 AM
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37. Who IS the leekee?? (from post # 8)--sorry, but I do not get it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:48 AM
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38. Richard


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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #34
40. Jesus, these guys are bad pennies
The Good news. They're also like those
ducks in the arcade.

You know, the ones that keep coming
around on that track. if you don't get
'em the 1st time, don't worry, they'll
be around again.

The scary thing to ponder is that none other than Richard
Perle, Doug Feith, Elliott Abrams, and Paul Wolfowitz used
to work for him at one time or
another.

http://www.needlenose.com/node/view/587
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:09 AM
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42. The road the U.S. traveled to Baghdad was paved by 'Scoop' Jackson
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 10:14 AM by jmcgowanjm
It was then, 40 years ago, that Jackson began to be
linked directly, if furtively, to some of the uglier and little-
known origins of the war on Iraq in 2003. Overseeing the
CIA's "black budget" for covert operations and interventions
from a subcommittee of Armed Services, he was one of
a handful of senators who gave a nod to two U.S.-backed
coups in Iraq, one in 1963 and again in 1968. Those
plots brought Saddam Hussein to power amid bloodbaths
in which the CIA, exacting the price for its support,
handed Saddam and his Baath Party cohorts lists of
supposed anti-U.S. Iraqis to be
killed

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/115505_focus06.shtml
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:17 AM
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43. Best Guess: Attack Iran-->Votes for Hostages Becomes Big News As Iran
Releases all the evidence it has been saving since 1980. Votes for Hostages is the ONLY Reason the Bush Administration does not drop nukes on Iran right now. The scandal would destroy Poppy.

I am betting that Scoop Jackson and Buddies probably conspired with Reagan and Bush and Rummie to defeat Carter and get Reagan elected, and there may be something in those papers that would confirm a story that the Iranian government will tell should the US ever launch a war with Iran about secret meetings between Poppy and the Iran government in which they arranged to have the hostages held until after the election.

Just a hunch, but this is the only scandal which Bush and Company fear right now.

If anyone has a catalog of the documents, I suggest comparung it to what is left to see if anything from around 1980 is missing.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:22 AM
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44. So who has the papers?
Good CIA

Bad CIA
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:23 AM
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45. Porter Goss is Bush CIA--you decide
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 12:15 PM
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51. OK I'll take a guess
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:15 AM
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46. Reagan replied: "I'm paying for this microphone, Mr. Green."
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 11:16 AM by jmcgowanjm
During the 1980 campaign, Baker became the chairman of
the Reagan-Bush campaign committee, while fellow Texan
Bob Strauss was chairman of the Carter-Mondale campaign.
But Baker and Strauss were at the very same time
business partners in Herman Brothers, one of America's
largest beer distributors. Bush Democrat Strauss later went
to Moscow as Bush's ambassador to the USSR and later,
to Russia.

The US delegation to the conference was divided according
to partisan lines, but was generally united by sympathy for
the ideas and outlook of the Bush-Cherne Team B.
The Democratic delegation was led by the late Senator
Henry Jackson of Washington. This group included civil
rights leader Bayard Rustin, plus Norman Podhoretz and
Midge Decter of Commentary Magazine, two of the most
militant and influential Zionist neoconservatives. Ben
Wattenberg of the American Enterprise Institute was also
on hand. Although the group that arrived with Scoop
Jackson were supposedly Democrats, most of them
would support Reagan-Bush in the November, 1980
election.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush16.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 12:18 PM
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52. Good stuff
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 12:24 PM by seemslikeadream
The mystery described by Woodward and Pincus arose when other interviews cast grave doubt on the veracity of this cover story; "...according to former directors and other senior CIA officials, there were no meetings of former directors during that period, and Bush had no assignments of any kind from the CIA." Stansfield Turner commented that he "never knew former directors had meetings and there were none when I was there." Stephen Hart of Bush's staff told Woodward and Pincus that the keepers of Bush's schedule could "recall no CIA activity of any kind," but explained the absences as "personal time in Washington" for "tennis, visits with friends, and dinners." Such enigmas are typical of the 1977-1979 interlude in Bush's career.

Shortly after leaving Langley, Bush asserted his birthright as an international financier in the way he had indicated to his close friend Leo Cherne, that is to say by becoming a member of the board of directors of a large bank. On February 22, 1977 Robert H. Stewart III, the chairman of the holding company for First International Bankshares of Dallas, announced that Bush would become the chairman of the executive committee of First International Bank in Houston and would simultaneously become a director of First International Bankshares Ltd. of London, a merchant bank owned by First International Bankshares, Inc. Bush also became a director of First International Bankshares Inc., which was the holding company for the entire international group. Thus, less than two years before Margaret Thatcher came to power, Bush acquired the status of investment banker in the City of London, the home of the Eurodollar market and the home of British imperial financial circles in which such figures as Lord Victor Rothschild, Tiny Rowland, the Sultan of Brunei, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, and the Emir of Kuwait were at home. An annual fee of $75,000 as a "consultant" also sweetened this pot. During the 1988 campaign, Bush gave the implacable stonewall to any questions about the services he performed for the First International Bankshares group or about any other aspects of his business activities during the pre-1980 interlude. Interfirst was then the largest bank in Texas and was reportedly running speculation all over South America, China, and Europe.

Later, after the Reagan-Bush orgy of speculation and usury had ruined the Texas economy, the Texas commercial banks began to collapse into bankruptcy. First International of Dallas (or "Interfirst") merged with RepublicBank during 1987 to form First RepublicBank, which became the biggest commercial bank in Texas. Bankruptcy overtook the new colossus just a few months later, but federal regulators delayed their inevitable intervention until after the Texas primary in the spring of 1988 in order to avoid a potentially acute embarrassment for Bush. Once Bush had the nomination locked up, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation awarded the assets of First RepublicBank to the North Carolina National Bank in exchange for no payment whatsoever on the part of NCNC, which is reputedly a darling of the intelligence community.

...

An important question came from Ledeen: "Is the agency penetrated?" Bush was ready to admit that it might be: "Nobody is saying that there's nothing." "How about double agents?" Ledeen wanted to know. "Well, obviously we've had double agents but that's not officers of the agency," was Bush's ambiguous reply. Bush went on: The great Soviet agents were recruited when the Soviet represented something ideologically. When they represented antifascism. That's when they got people like Philby. But the fact is that we've just went through a period in which we had hundreds of thousands of our young people out screaming against their government. Now they were totally opposed to their government, but they weren't pro-Soviet.

Bush and Cline joined to praise the "benign covert political action" of the 1940's and 1950's by which the CIA sent US intellectuals to Europe to talk to the Europeans. "We essentially won that ideological battle," said Bush.

When Carter and Brzezinski played their treacherous China card in December, 1978, Bush was quick, despite his own miserable record on this issue, to launch a pre-election attack on Carter with an op-ed in the Washington Post. Bush harkened back to the day in December, 1975 (although Bush wrote October) when he, Ford, and Kissinger had sat down with Chairman Mao. From Mao's remarks that day, Bush says, it was clear that Red China was obsessed with the Soviet threat, and was willing to wait indefinitely for China to be reunited with Taiwan. Now Carter had broken diplomatic relations with Taiwan, begun the pullout of US forces, abrogated the US-Taiwan security treaty, and was winding down arms assistance to Taiwan. Bush was the man who had presided over the ejection of the Republic of China from the UN. It was a cheap shot for him to quote Peter Berger about the primaeval principle of morality that "one must not deliver one's friends to their enemies." After Bush's support for Deng Xiao-ping after the 1989 Tein An Men massacre, the hypocrisy is even more obvious.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush16.htm
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:01 PM
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54. Good guess. But why would such malfeasance be documented?
I don't deny this could have happened, but why would such a plan be put to paper?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:38 PM
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58. This is incredible...
Just when you think you have a handle on the BFEE web, it gets a bit bigger (& I never knew Scoop was a DINO...):grr:
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:41 PM
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60. Back up your data folks.....
They are rewriting history. This sort of shyt is what they have done in TX with Bubya's records, the Baker group holdings, etc, etc. I suggest those that can start looking to save all Watergate files and Iran Contra, BCCI, etc do so 'cause other documents will start coming up missing. This is so Rove MO. Remember the first thing Bubya did was reseal via EO all those records of Reagan and Poppy at the National archive that would have seen the light of day due to time limits expiring.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:49 PM
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61. Friend is a librarian at UW: says take off the tinfoil hats on this one
"Scoop Jackson papers

that wasn't weird and it wasn't a secret that they were doing it.
there was an announcement in the UW Daily, e-mail to all libraries
staff, and I think there was a brief story in the Seattle papers.
It happens every few years, either with donated papers or depository
government documents, that they send something they didn't mean to
send and need to take it back."
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:57 PM
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63. The CIA visit was well publicized
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=henry+jackson+papers+university+of+washington&btnG=Search+News


CIA seizes Sen. Jackson papers
Everett Herald, WA - Feb 15, 2005
... three from the CIA, have removed several documents from the archival papers of the late Sen. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson housed at the University of Washington. ...

National security team to check Sen. Jackson papers
Seattle Times, WA - Feb 7, 2005
... at the University of Washington tomorrow to make certain any national-security information has been removed from the papers of the late Sen. Henry M. Jackson. ...

Security team to review Sen. Jackson's papers
Seattle Post Intelligencer, WA - Feb 7, 2005
... will descend upon the University of Washington's Suzzallo-Allen Library today to review whether the papers of the late Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson, which are ...

CIA looks into papers donated to University
Daily - University of Washington, WA - Feb 8, 2005
... members of the CIA -- will be on campus to find out whether all national-security information has been removed from the papers of the ... Henry M. Jackson, D-Wash ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:07 PM
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64. I don't believe one post here made the accretion
that this was done in secret. Quite the contrary, the whole discussion was started because of a news article. And the comment below seems unnecessary and rather silly.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:12 PM
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65. You may find it unnecessary and rather silly
but I think it has historical value.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:16 PM
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67. What historical value does a guy beating off have?
swag says

a problem back in the late 80s with a guy who would beat off and shoot into the hair of graduate students who had fallen asleep at the study desks.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:19 PM
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68. Well, Onan made it into the Bible,
though it's not clear that he was beating off. He may have just been practicing coitus interruptus.

"I tried to make her laugh
she didn't get the joke
and then she said I wasn't
right in the head . . ."
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:51 PM
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62. Oh, by the way - Suzzallo library (which is gorgeous)
used to have a problem back in the late 80s with a guy who would beat off and shoot into the hair of graduate students who had fallen asleep at the study desks.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:12 PM
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66. "NOW" considered classified! Does this mean they were not..
classified at an earlier point?

I don't understand how classified documents would be released to an achival library if they had not been "declassified" prior to "donation" of said documents. I guess the "targeted" papers are the key!!! Sorry that I asked!

:-)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:21 PM
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69. Wasn't this the same "team" that purged the Memogate evidence
You remember? The Busheviks had been hacking into Democratic Judiciary Committee computers and stealing Democratic memos, strategy papers, etc.

Then one day, as I am becoming accustomed to in Imperial Amerika, a Phony Anthrax Scare cleared out the Senate building while a special Bushevik "team" checked for anthrax (which of course turned out to be not there).

What also was not there from that day on was any mention of the sttolen Judiciary Committee Memos...as if the evidence had just "vanished".
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:29 PM
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70. YES!...............EOM
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:17 AM
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73. Senator Scoop Jackson(-D) Father of the Neocons, Father of the DLC
many of whom are still Democrats. Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz are still registered Democrats TO THIS DAY. Some of his proteges left and went to the Republicans, some stayed behind. The Coalition for a Democratic Majority, forerunner of the DLC was founded by Scoop's people too. There's so much info available if you have the time to read: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-37%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=%22Coalition+for+a+Democratic+Majority%22&btnG=Search

I'd suggest people start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_a_Democratic_Majority if they want to examine the connections between the DLC and CDM. By the way, these are the same people who brought us the war against Yugoslavia... Balkan Action Committee Don't any of you buy that that was any more of a humanitarian mission than Iraq. There's not a damn humanitarian bone in these people's bodies- they just spun it better because people were asleep and no one questioned the media's lies.

Sick stuff. All of this is real sick stuff.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/cgi-binn/htsearch?config=irc_online&restrict=&exclude=&method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=Scoop+Jackson">Scoop Jackson... How big do we want that tent?

Dear Scoop was also father of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority which is the forerunner of the DLC.

Figure it out, it's not that hard...

Frank Gaffney is another "Scoop" traitor.


    These were heady times in Washington for the hawks. It wasn't long before young Wolfowitz quit a teaching post at Yale University in order to join them: In 1973, he arrived to work at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. The nexus of the antidisarmament network in those days was the office of Henry "Scoop" Jackson, the hawkish Democratic senator from Washington; Perle quickly amassed tremendous power as Jackson's top aide. Wohlstetter's two prize pupils soon became friends and allies in the crusade against arms control--and for the eventual ascension of Ronald Reagan. While Perle established himself on Capitol Hill through repeated bureaucratic attacks on disarmament advocates and Pentagon budget-cutters, Wolfowitz served on "Team B"--a study group drawn largely from the ranks of the Committee on the Present Danger that, once given access to classified CIA data, used a highly politicized methodology to conclude that the Soviet Union was militarily poised to overwhelm the United States.


    Somewhat bizarrely, Wolfowitz was still seeing red after the Soviet Union's collapse: In 1992, during his waning days as undersecretary of defense in George H.W. Bush's administration, Wolfowitz penned a secret memo that earnestly depicted the Russia of Boris Yeltsin as the direst threat to American national security and further called for war between the Russians and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization if the former tried to menace the newly liberated Baltic nations. During the Gulf War, Wolfowitz was infuriated with then?General Colin Powell and others who believed that once the UN mandate of expelling Saddam's forces from Kuwait was fulfilled, the war was effectively over; Wolfowitz wanted to go to Baghdad and destroy Saddam completely. Prior to September 11, he was talking up China as the new threat.

    http://www.pnac.info/blog/archives/000018.html


    Some see a Northwest connection to the PNAC planners. Roger Morris, a former senior staffer at the National Security Council, told KOMO 4 News: "Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and the people who have been their disciples over the past few years all trace back to Henry Scoop Jackson."

    For 30 years, Jackson was a Democratic powerhouse in the U.S. Senate from Washington. Morris added: "This foreign policy which you are seeing being enacted by George W. Bush is very largely, in my view, the policy of Scoop Jackson. This was made in Snohomish County, in Everett."

    http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=24043

    Committee on the Present Danger

    (snip)
    The revitalization of the CPD grew out of an independent group called Team B. Team B was authorized in 1976 by President Gerald Ford and organized by then-CIA chief, George Bush. The purpose of Team B was to develop an independent judgment of Soviet capabilities and intentions. Team B was headed by Richard Pipes and included Paul Nitze, Foy Kohler, William Van Cleave, Lt. Gen. Daniel O. Graham (ret. ), Thomas Wolf of RAND Corp and Gen. John Vogt, Jr. (ret. ). Also a part of Team B were five officials still active in government: Maj. Gen. George Keegan, Brig. Gen. Jasper Welch, Paul D. Wolfowitz of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, and Seymour Weiss of the State Department. (2,6) Team B was housed in the offices of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority. (6)

    The political base for CPD II was in the Coalition for a Democratic Majority, a group formed in 1972 by the hard-line, anti-Soviet wing of the Senate, led by Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson. (6) These conservative Democrats contended that communism was a great evil and that the U.S. had a moral obligation to eradicate it and foster democracy throughout the world. (2) The 193 individual members of the revitalized CPD comprise a who's who of the Democratic Party establishment and a cross-section of Republican leadership. (1,2) Eventually, 13 of the 18 members of the Foreign Policy Task Force of the CDM, lead by Eugene V. Rostow, joined the CPD. Notable among them were Jeane Kirkpatrick, Leon Keyserling, Max Kampelman, Richard Shifter, and John P. Roche. (6)

    (snip)

    Activities:

    CPD plays a significant role in public relations for conservative democrats. CPD works with the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and the Coalition for Peace Through Strength (CPTS) on the issues surrounding containment militarism. (1) Forty-six members of the CPD advised the Reagan transition team. (1)

    (snip)


    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/cpd.php


====

the Coalition for a Democratic Majority (CDM), founded in 1972 by the likes of Richard Perle, Midge Decter, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, and Jeane Kirkpatrick, among others; the Committee on the Present Danger (CPD), founded in 1976 by Richard Perle, Midge Decter, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, and Jeane Kirkpatrick, et al.; and the Committee for the Free World (CFW), founded in 1981 by exactly the same crew. Rounding out the picture, CFW's chairman was Dick Cheney's Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.

Nowadays, the CDM/CPD/CFW are associated with the Republican Party—particularly with those neo-conservative devotees of Leo Strauss around the Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal. But these organizations are the direct antecedents to the Democratic Leadership Council, and CDM's veterans maintain close coordination with the DLC to ensure that the Democratic Party does nothing effectively to stop the imperial policy of pre-emptive war—even pre-emptive nuclear war—that the Cheney/Rumsfeld gang has laid out. The DLC, and its affiliates—the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) and the New Democratic Network (NDN)—are on a full-scale campaign to destroy every other faction in the Democratic Party, and silence criticism of the Iraq War.

The "missing link" between the "Democratic" DLC and the now-"Republican" CDM/CPD/CFW neo-cons, is the notorious Social Democrats-USA, (SDUSA), whose chairman, Penn Kemble, was the Executive Director of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority in 1972, until he brought in Richard Perle's underling Stephen Bryen to take his place. Bryen, who created the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) in the early 1980s, when he served as Perle's aide at the Department of Defense, is another leading member of the neo-conservative gang that wants to go to war against the entire Arab world in the name of anti-terrorism. Providing daily coordination between Perle and Bryen would be Joshua Muravchik, a fixture at nearly every American Enterprise Institute event—but also a leader of SDUSA since its creation.

(snip)

Staying Behind as 'Democrats'
For his part, Kemble has been a neo-con insider since the 1960s, but in 1978-79, he worked directly with Cheney's Iraq warriors—Abram Shulsky of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council, and Gary Schmitt of the Project for a New American Century—when they were all on the staff of Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.) By the 1980s, Kemble was deeply involved in the Project Democracy operations of Ollie North, and the Iran-Contra network that ran a covert gun- and drug-running operation out of the White House.

(snip)

===


Jackson and Moynihan: The Missing Links

To show exactly what the DLC's and Brazile's invoking the legacy of Scoop Jackson means, a brief look at the 1970s, when the neo-conservatives in the Democratic Party grouped themselves into the Coalition for a Democratic Majority (CDM), is necessary. The CDM's two leading lights in Congress were the Democratic Senators Jackson and Moynihan. The Cold Warrior and fanatically pro-Israel Jackson remains the model for the DLC crowd today. The DLC's former President, Sen. Joe Lieberman declares he is proud to be identified as a " 'Scoop' Jackson Democrat." It was these two Senators' offices that housed the Leo Straussian "Children of Satan" behind the no-exit Iraq War.

From Jackson's staff came:

    * Paul Wolfowitz, now Deputy Secretary of Defense and a leading Straussian chicken-hawk;


    * Richard Perle (on Jackson's staff from 1969 until going into the Defense Department in 1981), and until his recent forced resignation, chairman of Rumsfeld's Defense Policy Board. It is reported that Perle maintains Democratic Party membership to this day, out of fealty to Scoop. Perle later brought along Doug Feith, now Rumsfeld's Undersecretary for Policy, who has been a Perle "groupie" since the late 1970s, largely due to Feith's family background deep in the terrorist movement founded by Zionist fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky. In the 1980s, Feith financed Perle through the International Advisers Inc., a firm in which Feith was the only stockholder;


    * Frank Gaffney, who heads the Center for Security Policy, a "private" neo-con group which cheerleads for imperial wars and brutally anti-Palestinian policies;


From Moynihan's office came:

    * Elliott Abrams, an Iran/Contra convict who now tries to shape Administration Middle East policy from the National Security Council staff;


    * Abram Shulsky, who heads the Office of Special Plans under Feith in the Pentagon, which concocted fraudulent intelligence estimates used by the Administration to justify the Iraq War;


    * Gary Schmitt, the head of the empire-promoting Project for a New American Century and a close collaborator of Shulsky. Schmitt worked under Roy Godson of the National Strategy Information Center in the early 1980s. Anti-LaRouche operative Godson was active in the CDM in the 1970s, narrowly escaped prosecution in the Iran-Contra scandals of the 1980s, and now is a consultant to Feith and Shulsky's Office of Special Plans.


Other leaders in the CDM were:

    * Stephen Bryen, who became Executive Director of CDM and then of JINSA, after being kicked off the staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for passing classified Pentagon documents to Israeli officials.


    * Penn Kemble, the first Executive Director of CDM, who paved the way for Bryen to take the job over.


http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/articles/MissingLinkHowRightWingNeoConsCreatedDemocraticLeadershipCouncilByMicheleSteinberg.htm

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_a_Democratic_Majority
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 07:31 AM
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74. Excellent Tinoire
Thank you so much

:hi:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:31 AM
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75. Thanks for the education
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 09:19 AM
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76. Good History Excites: why Good History will not be taught
Gore Vidal:

How can we break the vicious cycle?
By losing a war and by going broke. We’ve lost the Iraq war,
no matter how long we stay in there. And secondly, we have
no money.

The US is blackmailing itself. Either foreign
conquests or give up your standard of living.

But the joke's on us 'cause we're going to lose
our standard of living anyway (guess where Cisco's
going to be in 10 years according to John Chambers-
completely in China).

No invader from outside has ever made it in the Middle
East. This goes back to the Crusaders and the Kingdom of
Acre, which lasted about 200 years and that was the
longest time, but things go much faster now. We aren’t going
to be there. It’s very simple. How do you pay for it? Are
the American people really to be put on short rations?
And, meanwhile, we’re running out of oil in the world. There
goes the world economy as well as ours. It isn’t going
to happen; it’s going to fall apart. The idea is you just whistle
and you have an army. They just don’t seem to have any idea
of what armies are like and how much they cost, how hard it is
to raise one and how hard it is to use
one.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1638/

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 09:37 AM
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77. Now I really want to know what could be in five documents....
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 09:39 AM by McCamy Taylor
that was so important that the CIA had to go in openly to remove them. And they are taking the chance that anyone who has those documents copied already, say for a biography or a book, will now do a simple cross reference and figure out which ones were taken and figure out what the CIA is trying to hide. Or get a freedom of information act request or Congressional Subponea to find out what was taken. Or even sweet talk someone in the library.

Hmmm. That sounds way too easy. Here is a more plausible scenerio for the CIA. They took five documents that are totally unimportant. And while they were there, they SUBSTITUTED their own version of the IMPORTANT document, the one that could spell trouble. So the document is still there, but now in an altered form.

MOral, if you or someone you know has copies of Scoop Jackson documents keep them someplace safe. They may be important later. If you are really industrious and have nothing better to do with your time, compare your copies with the ones in the library and see if they match.
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