(SD) House panel approves measure to make abortion a felony

[brooklynite]

PIERRE, S.D. - Abortion should be a crime in South Dakota if states are given the right to outlaw the medical procedure, a House panel recommended Friday.

The State Affairs Committee unanimously approved HB1249, which would make it a felony to do abortions if Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, is overturned. The bill would allow exceptions in cases where a pregnant woman's life is at risk.

Those who do abortions could face up to two years in prison and a $2,000 fine.

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10877880.htm

[davidinalameda]

1. how about those who have the abortions

remember it takes two to tango

why only go after the doctors--why not go after the women or wouldn't that be popular

[Wilms]

2. Go after the Good 'ol Boys who "forgot to take precautions", too. n/t

[Southern Dem 2005]

3. This law is constitutional only if Roe is overturned

going after the doctors is sufficient. No need to go aftr the women--doctors won't go near it if it's a felony.

[booksenkatz]

9. That's right! After all, "it's his baby, too!" NT

[amazona]

5. such law does go after women, since it kills them

We should all know by now that where abortion is illegal and the doctor cannot be found, women will kill themselves with coat hangers or herbs in the desperate attempt to relieve themselves of an unwanted baby.

The reason the movie Alien has had such resonance over so many years is that everyone knows how far they would go and what they would do if an unwanted lifeform were growing in their own belly.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. I do hope you are being sarcastic

[davidinalameda]

45. yes

of course they're not going to go after the women--it would kill these bills

they have to demonize those who perform the procedures

going after the women would probably turn the tide against them--it's so easy to say that this could have been your sister, daughter, etc and show people that abortion should be kept legal

when people are dealing in the abstract, it's much easier for them to be opposed to something but when the issue involves people they know and love, it's harder to be opposed

[ElectroPrincess]

43. Because the Right Wingers do not wish to STOP abortions ...

just send them underground and criminalize the activity. IF Roe v. Wade is overturned, you can bet money that there will also be laws passed to prosecute the women seeking an abortion in addition to the pseudo-doctors in the back alleys preforming this procedure.

In addition to attacking Liberals, the Right Wing is concurrently going after Women and University Intellectuals.

BTW don't confuse University Intellectuals with the current President of Harvard. Simply put, he's just a misogynist. Why? Despite differences, as equal opportunity populace, we are taught NOT to use these racial/gender differences as a tool for discrimination.

Like everything left wing begins in California, just perhaps everything that's rabid right wing will begin in SD. Yikes! I'm not going back to visit my cousins in Sioux Falls for a very long time. :scared:

[Skidmore]

4. Remember the good old days? Something like the good times we're

having now...

[dddem]

6. Have you read

"The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood?

[Shakespeare]

7. Nothing like a little preemptive knuckledragging.

I. Hate. These. Assholes.

[Sabriel]

24. Wow! How forward-thinking of them!

I can't wait for other preemptive "laws" to follow. Coming soon to a neocon legislature near you.

"Hey, just in case the Bill of Rights is overturned, we'd better get some laws into place, pronto!"

[MARALE]

8. This part always gets me

The bill would allow exceptions in cases where a pregnant woman's life is at risk.

If the woman would threaten to kill herself because of the pregancy be life at risk? Doesn't every birth put a woman's life at risk. Who gets to determine this? This is so subjective. Wouldn't a rape victim be put at risk with the termoil if the pregancy? I have so many more, it is so stupid.

[booksenkatz]

11. And is the life of the MIND of less import than that of the BODY?

An unwanted pregnancy can put a woman's "life at risk" in more ways than one.

[Misunderestimator]

14. Good point, and wouldn't it open up a lot of lawsuits against physicians

who do NOT say that the pregnant woman's life is at risk, therefore NOT allowing an abortion, and later she dies because of the pregnancy?

[iamjoy]

19. That's What Bothers Me

What if a woman has cancer, but her doctor thinks she can start the chemo after the baby is born? Or, he isn't sure the doctor isn't sure there is sufficient documentation that delaying the treatment would cost the woman's life?

I think there are some very real and very scary scenarios that didn't apply 25 years ago because we couldn't diagnose medical conditions as easily and there were limited treatments for them anyway.

[hugo black]

21. That is a good thing though.

In the situation you just mentioned, an abortion could be performed, because there is a risk, or a possible threat to the life of the mother.

And just remember how loosely the administration uses "possible threat." Knowing that, any abortion will probably be lawful!!

[iamjoy]

30. Or It Could Go The Other Way

her life isn't in imminent danger, just grave and gathering danger -so no woman can get an abortion

[hugo black]

32. good point

[amazona]

26. yeah this exception was used for years

Years ago in Louisiana the doctor would sign a paper stating that the pregnant woman's life was at risk for mental reasons -- in other words, she might be at risk for suicide if she had to carry a baby to term. Too long ago for me to remember the exact language though. This would be the 70s and early 80s that this was done.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[brooklynite]

35. Gee, we can't allow that!

If the woman would threaten to kill herself because of the pregancy be life at risk? Doesn't every birth put a woman's life at risk. Who gets to determine this? This is so subjective. Wouldn't a rape victim be put at risk with the termoil if the pregancy? I have so many more, it is so stupid.


Attempted suicide is against the law. We have to promote a "culture of life"

[slackmaster]

10. Damn FOOLS!

Doesn't anyone remember what things were like BEFORE Roe v. Wade?

ANYONE???

:argh:

[hugo black]

22. I don't.

What was it like?

[booksenkatz]

27. This should get you started:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/21049/

... and you simply must read Gerri's Story, which includes a graphic photo of what it was like before:

http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/about_gerri.html

[slackmaster]

28. My mom remembers - Here's the short version from California

For very early abortions only, a phone number was quietly passed around among women.

If you wanted an abortion you called the number. The person who answered would instruct you to go to a certain place at a certain time to meet the abortionist.

The place was usually in an industrial area, never in a home much less a medical facility.

The abortionist was a nurse or a medical student, or if you were lucky a doctor who was in need of cash.

You paid cash. The abortionist performed a D&C, then instructed you to go home and never return to the place. He or she told you that if you had much pain or significant bleeding to go to a hospital emergency room at once.

You never learned the name of the person who answered the phone or the person who performed the abortion.

If your pregnancy was beyond what could be aborted by D&C you had to go to another state where they were allowed (New York was popular among the wealthy), or to Mexico (good for the not-so-wealthy).

Those were the Bad Old Days. We do not want to go back to the ridiculous patchwork of abortion laws this country had before 1973.

[hugo black]

36. That is pretty horrible.

[slackmaster]

39. That was the situation for middle- to upper-class white women in CA

I grew up in the genteel San Diego suburb called La Jolla.

I'm sure it was much worse for people who didn't have money or connections.

[woodsprite]

40. I have an aunt who died

because she performed a coat-hanger abortion on herself and she punctured her uterus. Her husband finally took her to the hospital because she became so sick, gangrene had set in already. She and her very abusive, alcoholic husband had one child. She said she would rather die before she had another baby with him. She was supposed to leave him and go live with my grandmother, but she said she couldn't do that knowing she was pregnant.

NO woman should ever have to go thru that. If she had been able to get an abortion performed by a medical doctor in a clean place, she would have been able to raise her daughter.

[reprobate]

37. Yeah, I remember. I knew a girl who bled to death from coathanger surgery

The 50s were such a lovely time for those who were rich enough, white enough, and protestant enough. For all others it was a time of lynchings, abortion deaths, and religious persecution.

Too bad it's not tought in schools. But then history is no longer tought in american schools. Nor is music appreciation. Just football.

[Guckert]

12. How about the 16 year old incest victim getting at least 20+ for murder

That sounds fair doesn't it.
It is pre-meditated isn't it???
Will the 2 million extra babies get full medical coverage, government housing, and food stamps???? How will the Morals and Values party handle that.
these guys are so ignorant it makes me SICK

[MARALE]

15. Welcome!

I like your name! I am glad you left the freerepublic and came over to the light side!:hi:

[girl gone mad]

17. They'll grow up in state run orphanages..

abused, used in dangerous medical experiments, wishing every day that they had never been born and go on to become cheap labor or drug addicted criminals. Take a look at Romania.

[hugo black]

23. True...

but if you tried to kill those romanians now do you think they would resist??

[Guckert]

38. Just think of all the new prisons we could build.

Bush is just looking at the big picture.

[Cornjob]

13. Yes, and if the Emancipation Proclamation is overturned...

it will be a felony to aid and abet escaped slaves in South Dakota.

This bill is preposterous! Hypothetical lawmaking. Would not survive ten seconds in any appeals court!

[420inTN]

16. Kick n/t

[mutus_frutex]

20. Yet, one wonders:

Do they know something that we don't??

[ElectroPrincess]

25. To add insult to injury, those evil abortionist ...

inmates will be transported from the Big House (state pennitentiary) in Sioux Falls to perform forced labor involving the redecorating the "Corn Palace" in Mitchel. How can we improve on perfection? Oh the humanity! :P

[Amaya]

29. I DESPISE these self-righteous hypocritical assholes!

This is a war against women, period. :grr:

[GetTheRightVote]

31. What is this country coming to forces your religious beliefs on others

is wrong in this country and should remain that way. I might even listen to them if only they would not agree with the murder over in Iraq and other countries while crying about this issue. They are all insane hypocrites.

:kick:

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[applegrove]

34. Wow - a plane ticket to Canada is much less than $2000. Poor women

will die.

[Megahurtz]

41. No fucking way

It's none of their business. What are they going to do, peer down everyone's pants or something? If that passes, I would flee from that fucking state!

We have to stop these psychotic fundamentalist freaks!:freak::freak::freak::freak::freak:

Oh and I'm sure they are all men (PLEASE, no offense to the good ones)

The freakies can all go to hell for all I care.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

42. I sure am glad...

... the ex-wife and I bought $300 worth of chocolate baked goods at the South Dakota NARAL Chocolate Party this past weekend. Those toll house bars are still making me smile with my coffee.

[Demeter]

44. It's Too Bad Stupidity Isn't a Felony

Is the Constitution passe?