Venezuelan Intel:overwhelming evidence CIA planned to down Chavez plane

[DuctapeFatwa]

Details behind the sudden decision to cancel President Hugo Chavez Frias' next-week trip to Washington D.C. and New York (to deliver a speech to the United Nations) are being revealed by security services who say they have "overwhelming evidence" of a CIA-backed plan to "bring down" the Chavez Frias' airplane during the scheduled flight to the United States from Caracas. Sources in Venezuela's Military Intelligence Directorate (DIM) have told VHeadline.com that "presented with overwhelming evidence of Washington's planned attack on the Presidential flight, it was decided that the President's personal security was preeminent and that he should not go!"

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=11121

headline shortened from
Venezuelan Military Intelligence says overwhelming evidence the CIA planned to bring down Chavez Frias' airplane en route to United Nations in New York

[Judi Lynn]

1. Now they're releasing information

right on the heels of another assassination attempt. I'd guess they are thinking they don't want Chavez to get killed without the world knowing what has been going on already.

From your article:

(snip) State Security & Political (DISIP) police agents were involved in a gun battle in Plaza Altamira Friday night as they moved to detain a suspect now named as Jorge Rojas Riera, for the Friday morning bombing at the Casa Militar barracks, across Avenida Urdaneta from the Miraflores Presidential Palace. It is reported that President Hugo Chavez Frias was working at his desk when the 1:00 a.m. blast went off but that his life had never been put in danger as many gleeful wire-service reporters had immediately cabled to their North American publishers.


Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez Frias

Reports say that some 60 DISIP and National Guard (GN) officers were able to take the suspect into custody but only after a skirmish with opposition-controlled Chacao municipal police officers and gunmen identified as former army officers who had been dismissed the service after they participated in the April 11, 2002, coup d'etat. Police say Rojas Riera was detained after officers were forced to use an electronic stun gun to capture and 'cuff him. Little is known of the detainee other than that he has been identified having been employed at Plaza Altamira as a "security agent" by opposition organizers ... meanwhile he has told interrogators that he acted independently in the Friday morning's grenade attack. (snip/...)

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One of the D. U. posters posted the attempt from Friday already. Reading it at the time, I wasn't even mildly surprised, thinking that it happened right on the heels of the coup-plotting bastards being told that their referendum petitions were gathered illegally, as millions of the names were taken well before the half-way mark in his career, contrary to the rules laid out within their own constitution.

This is going to look somewhat nasty to those of us who took the time to read that there was U. S. involvement in the coup, including payments to the leader of one of their largest national unions, the same guy who came with the one-day President to Miami to participate in an anti-Chavez parade with the Cuban "exiles."

[Fridays Child]

2. This demands an emergency congressional investigation.

As if THAT'S really gonna happen.

[BayCityProgressive]

3. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!

[Karenina]

4. What covert U.S. operatives

have been doing in Venezuela has been outrageous for YEARS. I'm happy to see it getting a little attention.

[bvar22]

5. If these charges are true....

....the bush* administration is guilty of TERRORISM by their own definitions.

I don't doubt the veracity of these accusations. The bush*/republicans have been working to remove or kill Chavez since the early days of their mis-administration.

[Eloriel]

13. Well, that's certain true, but please

the U.S. has been doing this type of thing for a very long time. I too am aghast, but primarily at their ineptness and Chavez's nine lives -- and gleeful, of course, that success has eluded us in VZ.

ELoriel

[aquart]

43. Inept, indeed.

When you're this bad at it, you should just give up.

I can see, in a few years, a summit of world leaders whom George tried and failed to murder. How is Chirac's health?

[ignatius]

6. Our first attemp at a US led coup failed because a member of OPEC

warned Chavez. If they can't remove him, they will kill him and blowing up airplanes is certainly an event they know plenty about.

The foreign policy of this country makes my blood boil. Who in the fuck are we to overthrow a democratically elected president and why doesn't congress call these apes on this?

There was proof the first time and nothing was done about it. This is disgusting and savage behaviour. I am beginning to believe we are the "evil" empire.

[thebigidea]

9. according to PKD...

[Barrett808]

19. If Bush isn't Ferris F. Fremount, I don't know who is

Well, Nixon, of course, but in this generation...

[LastDemInIdaho]

34. The USA blowing up airplanes is certainly an event they know plenty about?

Can you please point us to some evidence where the USA has blown up airplanes?

[aneerkoinos]

7. And this is why:

Venezuelan supplies of crude oil to USA may be in jeopardy after corruption-convicted former President flees Dominican Republic bolt hole for safe haven in New York

Fugitive ex-President Carlos Andres Perez (CAP has fled his Dominican Republic bolt-hole to New York in a move that could adventure Venezuelan supplies of crude oil to the United States. The corruption-convicted ex-President's escape to the Big Apple came after Venezuela's Energy & Mines (MEM) Minister Rafael Ramirez ordered a halt preferential oil supplies to the Dominican Republic after the Caribbean island refused to extradite CAP on a series of criminal conspiracy charges and planning to overthrow the legitimate government of Venezuela by violent and extra-Constitutional means.

more...

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=11119

OK, terrorist state US blew it on the pre-emptive strike, what next, full blown invasion if Venezuela does the right thing and stops oil shipments to the named terrorist state?

[aneerkoinos]

8. addendum

This might turn big. Let's suppose US won't extradite the crook, Chavez stops oil, US threatens military action as stock market crashes, what will rest of OPEC do? Embargo against US?

If Bushistas are as stupid as they have proved in the past, this might bring down the whole US empire in a matter of weeks. Not that I would mind a bit...

[Dirk39]

10. Hey aneerkoinos!

don't be so cruel. What do you think: will there be a revolution, a kind of second civil war in the USA against the Bushistas, and pretty soon an all american Chavez will lead the former superpower?
And Europes' medias and governments will state, there's no free speech, ähmmmmm, -trade in the USA...?
And it all starts again:-)
Stupid CIA, can't they help me getting rid of Schröder and Fischer and Daimler! I want attention, too. Not always those unimportant latin-american-states. I feel overlooked. We have found oil in Hamburg one year, ago!
Do you think the CIA reads DU?
Hallo aus Deutschland,
Dirk

[aneerkoinos]

12. CIA? Tenet's guys?

Well, if they read DU, do you think they would bother to tell Bushistas? :D

What, me cruel? :D

Terveisiä Suomesta :)

[R Hickey]

11. They brought down two small planes to get the US Senate majority

Standard Bush/CIA procedure.

[LastDemInIdaho]

35. That's some news I have not seen yet

Can you link us to the proof and conviction record of this amasing event? My local paper must have missed where the US government was convicted of killing its Senators.

[goforit]

37. In the dark still?

Hmmmm.........

[LastDemInIdaho]

38. Bring me into the light please

Link me to the proof that the USA did these things.

[TroubleMan]

46. look here for the Bush family downing planes

http://www.bushbodycount.com

[goforit]

36. Yep, their fingerprints are all over the place!!!!

They certainly have a fascination for downing planes.

I'm sure the airline industry loves this F*cking administration!!!

Always keep one eye open Chavez!!!

[Minstrel Boy]

14. This makes me sick

to my fucking stomach.

What can we do for Chavez and Venezuela? I want to be able to do more than bear witness to yet more crimes against humanity.

[9215]

18. I'm sending this to Ted Kennedy and my state national reps.

I've been keeping an eye on Venezuela. I like Chavez because he is a fighter.

[9215]

20. Here's a link

This site is very easy to use to contact reps. They have gotten back with me on some of the hotter topics.

http://congress.org/congressorg/home/

[9215]

15. Cisneros

This link has a fantastic discussion of Cisneros+Bushie+Miami exile fascist connections: http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=12944&forum=DCForumID61&omm=0

George Bush senior to spend luxury holiday with Gustavo Cisneros
more coup plotting against the democratically elected Chavez. Round three coming up, sad to say.
Check those Fanjul brothers, Alfi and Jose. Throw their names into Google for some more information about how foreign citizen control US politics.
<clips>
Former US President George P. Bush is heading to the Dominican Republic for a luxury holiday, where he will spend quality time with anti-government Venezuelan media tycoon Gustavo Cisneros, who President Hugo Chavez Frias accuses of leading a push for a coup d'etat to have him forcibly removed from office.
The Venezuelan leader has threatened to take action against many privately-owned media companies ... particularly the four privately-owned TV stations ... for broadcasting "seditious opposition propaganda" and a series of advertisements urging Venezuelans to support the work stoppage, which has had devastating effects on the country's economy.
Bush is set to arrive on the Caribbean island next Tuesday, where he will stay at the Casa de Campo resort owned by the Fanjul brothers, Alfi and Jose ... he will then join the Venezuelan media tycoon in several rounds of golf in the town of La Romana.
There are strong indications that Bush will also meet secretly with corruption-impeached former Venezuelan President Carlos Andres Perez.
This will be Cisneros' second meeting with a former US President in less than a month, after holding talks with Jimmy Carter in Caracas several weeks ago. Carter returned to Venezuela to break the political deadlock following a direct invitation from Cisneros to do so.
<http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=2092>

[Judi Lynn]

21. Thanks for retrieving the old thread

referring to the get-away for George H. W. Bush, Gustavo Cisneros, and their impeached friend, former President President Carlos Andres Perez.

Here's a reference to the trip to the Dominican Republic by Bush and Cisneros, for the poster who has dissed V-Headlines as a legitimate source. This story reflects the SAME information, from a source in the Dominican Republic:

George Bush
Ex presidente de Estados Unidos
Por visitar el país, específicamente el complejo turístico Casa de Campo, donde jugó golf y compartió con sus anfitriones, el multimillonario venezolano Gustavo Cisneros y los hermanos Fanjul, propietarios del centro turístico.

http://www.enel.net/rumbo/2003/471/jueves_jueves1.asp


Photo of Carlos Andres Perez here:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030919/API/309191006



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Cisneros and Bush




Gustavo Cisneros

[9215]

30. and Thank You!

Those are great pics!

[catzies]

39. Speaking of Mr. Former President Number 41, Sir,

WHERE'S POPPY?

He has been to Venezuela recently or at least since the first attempted coup in April 2002.

How does one find his itinerary??

Poppy was in Moscow the other day, and I bet he's going to China next.

WHERE'S POPPY?

[9215]

16. Here some info on the earlier coup attempt with Cisneros and CIA

http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/053102/053102j.htm

[suegeo]

23. Hey Minnesotans!

Speaking of Venezuela, has anybody in Minnesota seen Vin Weber lately? Vin also apparently played a role in the failed Venezuela coup in the spring of '02.

Some interesting reading at:

http://www.citypages.com/databank/23/1119/article10388.asp

SNIP

Viva Vin Weber!

A Minnesota tie to the ill-fated coup in Venezuela

by Mike Mosedale

In the days following last month's abrupt and short-lived ouster of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, there were widespread accusations that the U.S. had provided assistance to a cabal of business, military, and labor leaders behind the coup. That such claims would be leveled is not surprising. The U.S. has a long history of meddling in Latin American politics. And the Bush administration has done little to disguise its hostility to Chavez, who has been denounced for his leftist rhetoric, his ties to pariah states such as Libya and Iraq, and, perhaps most significant, his efforts to overhaul the state-run petroleum industry

But despite a rash of reports linking CIA and State Department officials to the coup, one question of particular interest to Minnesotans has remained both unasked and unanswered: What role was played by former Second District Congressman Vin Weber?

Weber, a power player in GOP political circles who retired from Congress in 1993, has served as chairman of the board for the obscure but influential National Endowment for Democracy since January 2001. The NED, a private nonprofit agency, was founded in the early Eighties with the express goal of fostering democratic ideals abroad. Although it is funded almost exclusively with taxpayer dollars (to the tune of $33 million annually), the NED is supposed to operate independently of any government agency

END SNIP

(Shit, just the mere mention of Weber's name now makes me feel like I gotta take another shower. Sorry, if you feel the same.)

[Judi Lynn]

25. Thanks for pointing this creep out

Found an article describing him JUST the way you mentioned; it's truly ugly:

(snip)
Vin Weber, Vice Chairman of Empower America, is a former Minnesota Republican Congressman, lawyer and banker. He now lives in Virginia and is the new head of the private National Endowment for Democracy, and was formerly a Senior Fellow at the Bradley-funded Progress and Freedom Foundation (www.pff.org). (snip)



(snip) What is Weber up to now? Here's an excerpt from a New York Times story from 1998:
As one of Mr. Gingrich's best friends in the House, the Minnesota Republican was in immediate demand. "People were looking for G.O.P. consultants and lobbyists all over the place," Mr. Weber said in an interview. Mr. Weber now heads an eight-man office that reported lobbying revenues of $2.2 million in 1997.(snip)



(snip) Berkowitz writes that the NED was created to "do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades."

What has the NED done since its inception in 1983? According to a policy analyst at the Cato Institute - someone who should theoretically be friendly to Weber and the NED, it:

"...has a history of corruption and financial mismanagement, is superfluous at best and often destructive. Through the endowment, the American taxpayer has paid for special-interest groups to harass the duly elected governments of friendly countries, interfere in foreign elections, and foster the corruption of democratic movements."
More precisely, Berkowitz points out:

The NED...provides money, technical support, supplies, training programs, media know-how, public relations assistance and state-of-the-art equipment to select political groups, civic organizations, labor unions, dissident movements, student groups, book publishers, newspapers, and other media. It's aim is to destabilize progressive movements, particularly those with a socialist or democratic socialist bent. (snip/...)

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/vin_weber.htm

[9215]

29. Make that two thanks

More pieces of the puzzle.

[9215]

17. Aircraft as assasination tools.

Here is more evidence that the CIA uses this MO.

[Must_B_Free]

22. Paul Wellstone anyone?

?

[JackDragna]

24. Nothing new under the sun.

The CIA has had a hand in assassinating all kinds of world figures. They'll even go to bed with the Mafia to achieve their aims (see Operation Mongoose).

[Nottingham]

26. Well if ya can't Make a deal with a man then ya assasinate him!

Bush's Motto!

[frank frankly]

27. "The CIA is out of control"

A friend of mine knows an intern at the AEI, and he told my buddy that everyone down there was saying "The CIA is out of control."

THEY AREN'T KNOWN FOR BEING IN CONTROL!!!!!!!!

[RainDog]

31. The AEI is out of control, if you ask me.

Aren't Cheney, Wolfie, Kristol, Perle, and the whole heehaw gang that got us into the mess in Iraq part of the AEI?

Or has Grover decided they're now damaged goods.

[frank frankly]

44. yes, f**k the AEI

They are one and the same with PNAC. I've been flooding him with articles to forward to his dickless friend.

[RainDog]

28. maybe this is one reason...

that Feith was meeting with Ghorbanofar not too long ago?

They both go back to those bad old days of mass killings in South and Central America.

John Kerry has one hell of an issue to make his campaign newsworthy, if he wants to start asking the important questions, considering he knows so much about what was going on back in those bad ole days.

...which means he should have some idea of what's going on in these bad ole days.

As the fascist Bush administration has shown, politics as usual are over in America right now. The Bush administration is a radical gang of thugs who will stop at nothing if no one stops them.

[benfranklin1776]

32. Looks like Chavez blew the lid off the plans of Junior's cabal.

Good. He appears to be attempting to avoid the same fate as that which befell Allende. As appalling as this is it really is par for the course for this filthy crew. They are extremists who do not believe fundamentally in the principles of democracy. This was evidenced by Condi's flip off hand remark about Chavez when the last orchestrated coup was in progress: "Elections alone do not confer legitimacy." That reflects their fundamental mind set which is acquire power at all costs since they believe they are entitled to it the people be damned. This is why it is imperative that there be a strong demand for investigation of these and the many other
activities of this administration. Of course the Rethugs in Congress will do nothing in this area so the investigation needs to be conducted by whatever means available even if that means holding independent hearings.

[LastDemInIdaho]

33. Well I'm not "overwhelmed". Where's the evidence?

I read the entire local "pravda" story from vheadline and see no evidence.

There was this tidbit: "Strong rumors are circulating today that the man arrested had earlier sought political asylum at the Dominican Republic embassy in Caracas but had been asked to return later."
Is *that* their so-called "overwhelming evidence"?

I like their cute little paranoid statement at the bottom of the story...
"NOTE: Please do not assume that you are anonymous or untraceable when posting email to us -- even from @hotmail and/or @yahoo addresses. Although VHeadline.com sincerely respects your privacy, we advise herewith that we DO record your IP address to help combat internet crime and abuse and may disclose such information to law enforcement or other parties if legally required to do so."

Oh, and this nifty attempt to legitimize their vanity "newspaper"...
"Our editorial statement reads:
VHeadline.com Venezuela is a wholly independent e-publication promoting democracy in its fullest expression and the inalienable right of all Venezuelans to self-determination and the pursuit of sovereign independence without interference. We seek to shed light on nefarious practices and the corruption which for decades has strangled this South American nation's development and progress. Our declared editorial bias is pro-democracy and pro-Venezuela ... which some may wrongly interpret as anti-American.
Roy S. Carson, Editor/Publisher [e-mail]"

Sorry but this "vheadline" is not a legitimate news source.

[9215]

40. Bush could be imprisoned for

his complicity in this terrorist act against Chavez and sent to the chair for Wellstone if we used the same standards of evidence he used to attack Iraq.
Agreed?

[LastDemInIdaho]

41. I agree

All we need now is some evidence or proof of it. A vanity newsprint ain't gonna cut it tho.

[lostnfound]

47. Maybe they need to hire Judith Miller..

to gain credibility?

[aquart]

42. Well, George has those pre-emptive rights after all.

If he decides you're gonna annoy him next week or ten years from now, he can take you out.

He made that rule himself.

[frank frankly]

45. a kick

for late night readers