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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:46 PM
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Grandmother: Mud-Wrestling GI Discharged
RALEIGH, N.C. -- A military police private who bared her breasts during a mud-wrestling party at an Army camp in Iraq is being kicked out of the service, her grandmother said Friday.
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Allen was initially demoted from specialist to private first class after the photos surfaced from the party at the Camp Bucca detention center in Iraq, including one of her lifting her shirt and showing her chest.

The party was held Oct. 30, as Allen's Asheville-based 105th Military Police Battalion took over duty from the 160th Military Police Battalion of Tallahassee, Fla.

"The 160th Battalion were the ones that threw the party and encouraged the girls to do this," Tomlin said. "It has been so hard. This isn't what she wanted."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-soldier-mud-wrestling,0,7060069.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

If the rest of the soldiers expose themselves, could they all come home?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:49 PM
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1. "If the rest of the soldiers expose themselves, could they all come home?"
That's funny.


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LinuxInsurgent Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:49 PM
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2. well that was a costly flash, huh?
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 12:51 PM by LinuxInsurgent
i have no sympathy...she was not the worst out there..i'll grant her that...but her lax, undiscipline nature is what fuels the cycle of worse abuse that led to Abu Ghraib and other abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I know better than pull down my pants and show off my dick at my employment...why can't she show the same discipline in HER place of employment. Her actions are even more important a reflection of our country than mine at my job...she's failed herself, her family, and her country in portraying our women as sexually-crazed, WWF bimbos...

And...I don't speak from a moralistic, traditionalist, anti-sex point of view...I just think it's wrong to show such undisciplined depravity to the rest of the world...within the context of an occupation in which the world is making judgments of us based on the soldier's actions.

If she wants to flash her tits in a public park here in the U.S...more power to her and her sexual liberation...but...not in a foreign occupation.

One less "average American" shaming our country around the world...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:53 PM
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5. The real crime is the "foreign occupation".
I'm glad she got out; this may have saved her life...
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:41 PM
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10. Get off it, shaming our country? get real.
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 01:46 PM by Sequoia
Seems to me those torture pics are the shame of our country. Seems to the me the shame of our country is bombing others without reason. You've never been in the military I'll bet and you have no idea what those soliders are going through. What is with you men who are afraid of WOMEN'S BREASTS? Ashcough, the FCC....please!

Hey, those women who worked for the Gorilla Foundation were told to "Bare their breasts" to Koko.

Go watch some Leave It to Beaver.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:21 PM
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13. Thats bullshit...
what US personnel choose to do for entertainment in thier off time is thier own business.

Fuck you and fuck those that think women should only be seen under a Burka.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:50 PM
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3. I think that in the long-term she will be happy this happened...
..I know I would be thrilled to get the hell out of there....
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:52 PM
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4. We all know the bush admin phobia about breasts! She shoulda
pulled down her pants instead.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:16 PM
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6. I feel bad for the wives, girlfriends, husbands, etc. who are already
dealing with the separation, THEN they see this stuff going on over there.

It just adds even more stress.

I guess this stuff goes on no matter what but having it on video makes it just so much more in their face.

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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:35 PM
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7. Why didn't the guys get into any trouble?
I don't see where their conduct was any better than hers. She got hammered and acted inappropriately.. who hasn't? But then so did they. Why is she the only one getting punished?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:44 PM
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17. Bingo!
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 05:47 PM by superconnected
They created an atmosphere for it and encouraged her to do it.
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:38 PM
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8. Maybe if she stacked the guys naked she would have gotten a promotion.
to Under secretary of defense???
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TOOLZ Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:39 PM
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9. Do the Iraqis who got stripped at Abu Ghraib get to go home too?
They showed more than their nipples
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:47 PM
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11. LOL!!!
:7 Well that was easy.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:37 PM
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12. privately, she should be silently thanking military justice
for getting her out of the war (she's still a disgrace, imo)
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:38 PM
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14. I Would Prance Around Buck Naked If That Got Me Out of That Hell Hole
I'd rather be a living disgrace, then a dead soldier.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:45 PM
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15. How can we we know if this was fair if we can't see all the pictures?
I demand full disclosure.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:51 PM
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16. showing her breasts
probably saved her life.
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:01 PM
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18. I was actually thinking the same thing....
...who are we to judge without photos?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:08 PM
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20. You are a reasonable man, sir.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:31 PM
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19. That's one way to escape the hellhole.
I suggest everyone there just let it all hang out as they say.
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