Bush plans to kill me - Chavez

[truthpusher]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12321933-401,00.html

Bush plans to kill me - Chavez
From correspondents in Caracas

February 21, 2005
From: Agence France-Presse

VENEZUELAN President Hugo Chavez has threatened to suspend oil exports to the US if someone tries to assassinate him, saying US President George W. Bush would be to blame.

"If they kill me, there will be a really guilty party on this planet whose name is the president of the United States, George Bush," Mr Chavez said on his weekly radio program, Hello, Mr President.
"If these perverse plans succeed, by the devil's hand ... forget about oil, Mr Bush."

Mr Chavez said he was convinced that Washington had been "sketching out the assassination plans".

Mr Chavez revealed a week ago that Cuban President Fidel Castro had warned him of a US assassination plot.

"Now, I am going to say it. Neither Fidel Castro nor I talk nonsense.

story: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12321933-401,00.html

[SharonAnn]

1. Probably true. * thinks he owns all the oil in the world and doesn't

like anyone standing in his way.

[Nite Owl]

4. And profits being used

for the people. My, my all that democracy just can't stand. He could be right the Neocons don't like this whole democracy thing.

[Goldeneye]

2. I'd pay to see this on the corporate media.

Not only does it show what a creep Bush is, it shows he doesn't care about democracy. Plus wouldn't it ensure that they wouldn't assassinate him?

[count_alucard]

3. you and everyone

who's not white and stupid like him, Mr. Chavez.

[daleo]

5. You are not paranoid when they really are plotting to kill you.

Chevez is almost certainly correct about this. Here's hoping they don't succeed.

[KingoftheJungle]

6. I got Chavez's back

If it came down to supporting one side or the other, I'd back Chavez any day of the week.

[Say_What]

7. Venezuela-Colombia and the White House

From the article

The State Department backed Colombia in a recent dispute between the Caribbean neighbours over the arrest of a Colombian rebel in Caracas by Colombian officials without Venezuela's knowledge or consent.

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Recently--much to the chagrin of Uncle Sam--Uribe, Colombian president and US lapdog, settled Colombia's dispute with Venezuela and agreed to take part in a meeting in March with Chavez and Lula regarding the creation of the business Carbosurámerica” (South American Coal).

<clips>
Venezuela-Colombia and the White House

...How can one assume Washington reacted when they found out that it was Uribe’s own initiative to solicit Castro’s mediation? There were reasons that some analysts believed that if it is necessary to find winners and losers in this impasse, following the meeting, they agreed to identify a loser: the U.S.

Another defeat for U.S. policy in Latin America. It stands alone. In Latin America there was concern for the dissenter and various heads of state offered their good offices, wanting to mediate in order to prevent the situation from getting worse.

...This defeat for the U.S. can be related to the line of repeated attacks of U.S. officials against Venezuela. Presided over by Condoleezza Rice, they surely approved a plan that could have been inspired by one that was agreed to November 17, 1970, which had five points. It had been presented to President Nixon by Kissinger.

This line of continuous attacks from high officials in less than ten days (Rice, Roger Noriega, Robert Zoellick, Mark Grossman, the brother of Bush, and Porter Goss, the head of the CIA) is something new. But it is not a coincidence.

They have to be applying some decision that was made in certain high levels of the state department. One must pay attention. Why be surprised if someone insinuates in a meeting to be thinking of an assassination?

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1380

[EC]

8. I believe it......n/t

[LinuxInsurgent]

9. I believe him..

they tried already...they captured him with the intent of whisking him aawy out of the country and killing him. Carmona and his ilk got cold feet when the people of Venezuela demanded that Chavez be brought back...he knew that if Chavez died, so would he. That's why he "ran away" like a little rat.

Fidel Castro and Chavez don't joke about assassinations...both of them have endured attempts by American forces on their lives.

[cliss]

31. Yes, I've read the same thing.

The US tried 3 TIMES to assassinate Hugo Chavez. It's an interesting story. I believe the last time, Chavez was saved by his cell phone, or he had a cam corder going, and you could see US troops barreling for him, but Chavez slipped away.

Unbelievable story. Of course, this isn't the first time the CIA (or whoever it was) screwed up and "their man" got away.

Now, here's where it gets interesting: Chavez recently signed a contract to supply oil to China. I seriously DOUBT that China is going to allow the US to march in there and assassinate their new business partner.

Once again, the turf just keeps getting smaller and smaller. I'm recalling a cowboy movie, where the 2 are standing out on the dusty street of the Western town. Their guns are loaded, and they're aiming them at each other. The one cowboy says, "This town ain't big enough for the two of us".

[Say_What]

36. FUX NOOOZZZZ Propaganda Story

From venezuelanalysis.com

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...He accused the U.S. government of preparing the terrain for a possible intervention in Venezuela. "As anyone who studies the behavior of the U.S. empire during the last century discovers a common factor; every time the U.S. are going to attack someone, they don’t do it right away, they start by preparing the terrain of their internal public opinion, one of the things that worries them the most. Look at the example of Iraq; there was a campaign against Saddam Hussein, accusing him of having chemical weapons, accusing him of being a menace, by presenting evidence that resulted to be false, to justify the aggression. That way, when the launch the attack, they obtain the support of a big part of their internal public opinion. Almost all media in the country support them... they look for allies in Europe, from the U.N., they start preparing the terrain, and their current aggression are part of this campaign."

U.S. right-leaning news network Fox News, recently ran a series titled "The Iron Fist of Hugo Chavez," in which Chavez is portrayed as a dictator who uses violence to stay in power, and invests the country’s oil revenue in weapons, instead of helping the poor. U.S. media frequently refer to Chavez as a "strong-man," in spite of his multiple electoral victories certified by foreign observers.

Chavez went on to enumerate recent comments by U.S. officials characterizing him as a menace, which he and other officials describe as an intervention in the internal affairs of Venezuela. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Roger Noriega, Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and CIA director Porter Goss, have made public statements criticizing Chavez.

He said U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is trying to personalize the conflict. "They do not address the Venezuelan government, but just Hugo Chavez, in order to personalize the conflict. She said that Hugo Chavez is a threat for the continent, for democracy and for peace," Chavez added.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1514

[NEOBuckeye]

10. Bush and Cheney... for "Democracy!"

God, I hate these lying, vile, murderous bastards! Do people in the US even know what Democracy is these days? They may claim to, but our apparent choice of leaders says otherwise. Democracy, by Bush and Cheney's definition, is just a code word for military-backed Corporate Neo-Imperialism.

Chavez is philosophically closer to Democratic ideals today than Bush and Cheney ever could be in 100 lifetimes. Here's hoping he survives both those vermin by many, many years.

Viva Chavez!

[Say_What]

14. The interesting thing about Chavez is that

everytime they get wind of covert US activities, assassination plots, and the link, they bring it to the attention of the world. This is a smart move because it puts the US on the defensive and they're forced to back off. Smart men Chavez and Fidel. Besides, Cuban intelligence is some of the best in the world. Little Cuba hasn't held the US a bay for 40+ years because they weren't paying attention.

[yorkiemommie1]

11. Read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins

military - industrial complex has been doing nasty things for decades.

Highly readable , highly informative book.

[Say_What]

17. In the Shadow of the Liberator: The Impact of Hugo Chavez on Venezuela and

In the Shadow of the Liberator: The Impact of Hugo Chavez on Venezuela and Latin America by Richard Gott, 2001.

This one is a great read as well but a few years old--has plenty of background on Venezuela that reveals how and why Chavez came to power.

There's a new one out too: Chávez : Venezuela and the New Latin America by Hugo Chávez, David Deutschmann (Editor), Javier Salado (Editor), 2004

Anybody read this? Please reply your opinions.

[No Exit]

12. Hey, you know, it was said that some U.S. Prez tried to kill Fidel Castro

What was that guy's name again?

[Say_What]

15. Up to Clinton, ALL except Jimmy Carter

Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon
Ford

[No Exit]

19. LOL! That's... a lot of 'em! One of them, it

seems to have backfired on.

Oh, but nothing could ever backfire on Junior. Nope. No way. Heaven forbid!

And that's all I'm gonna say about that!:scared:

[Say_What]

32. I'd say, given the history, that it backfired on all of them....

Since the Eisenhower administration there has been a bottomless pit of money earmarked for the overthrow of the Cuban government and her leader--including trying to starve the general population and strangle the Cuban economy with an embargo that has been continually tightened over the last 40+ years.

In the face of this incredible adversity, Cuba has managed to feed, house, educate and provide healthcare for ALL of its citizens. Chavez is trying to do the same thing for his country. It comes as no surprise that the US now has another bottomless pit of money to try to oust Chavez. After all, Uncle Sam can't have those uppity brown people south of the border demanding basic human rights and taking control of the their own natural resources.

Jimmy Carter is the only president who sought to normalize relations with the island.

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Washington, D.C., May 15 – The National Security Archive at George Washington University today posted on the Web a declassified Presidential Directive, signed by Jimmy Carter, which stated: “I have concluded that we should attempt to achieve normalization of our relations with Cuba.” The directive, dated March 15, 1977, shortly after Carter took office, is believed to represent the only time a President has ordered normalization of U.S. relations with Castro’s Cuba to be an explicit foreign policy goal of the United States.

On May 12, 2002, Carter became the first U.S. President, current or former, to visit Cuba since Castro’s revolution in 1959. His five-day visit unofficially continues a dialogue that was officially started with the distribution of this two-page document, Presidential Directive/NSC-6, in 1977. Carter’s effort to “set in motion a process which will lead to the reestablishment of diplomatic relations between the United States and Cuba” eventually was aborted over Cold War issues such as Cuba’s involvement in Africa.

While the Carter administration’s attempts to improve relations with Cuba are well known, U.S. government documentation recording that effort remains largely classified, noted Peter Kornbluh who directs the Archive’s Cuba Project. Kornbluh called the presidential directive “a pivotal piece of documentation in the hidden history of U.S. efforts to seek a rapprochement with Cuba.”

In the context of today's war on terrorism, it is interesting to note the Carter directive's assumption that U.S.-based exile groups were conducting terror attacks against Cuba. “The Attorney General should take all necessary steps permitted by law to prevent terrorist or any illegal actions launched from within the United States against Cuba,” the directive concluded.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20020515/

[Wilms]

13. Dodd, Chafee and Nelson visited Chaves in January

And I saw Chafee challenge Rice over Venezuala during her hearing.


U.S. Senators on Venezuela Visit Meet with Chavez

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005

<http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1464>



Another link.

US Should Mend Relations with Venezuela—Senators

January 10, 2005

<http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/economy/2005/0110venezuela.htm>

[Straight Shooter]

16. Chavez speaks the truth. eom

[Cha]

18. Good to be aware of your enemies..

and put this out there..too bad James Hatfield didn't before he died.

SNIPS~
Bush Accuser Dies Of Drug Overdose

James Howard Hatfield, 43, Author Of "Fortunate Son:
George W. Bush and the Making of an American President"
Found Dead In A Hotel Room On Wednesday July 18, 2001

Was This A Payback Murder For His Writing Fortunate Son, Or Did
He Really Commit Suicide By Overdosing On Prescription Drugs?

by Irene Noguchi

The troubled author of a biography accusing President Bush of hiding a three-decade-old cocaine arrest committed suicide Wednesday. James Howard Hatfield, 43, was found in a hotel room in Springdale, Ark., and appeared to have died from a overdose of prescription drugs, police said.

More at..
http://www.lovearth.net/fortunateson.htm

[crikkett]

38. zidzi's lovearth.net link crashed my ctr.

it spawned a million new pages. I was using Mozilla 1.5. & don't want to try it a second time.
:tinfoilhat:

[Cha]

43. I'm sorry! I used it with no problem..

I hope everything is okay with your computer and Welcome to DU!

[Fridays Child]

20. It would hardly come as a great shock to learn that there's a plot...

...to assassinate Chavez. And, if he believes it's true, he is right to publicize it.

[HuckleB]

21. His comments about death sound eerily like those of Omar Torrijos.

Torrijos stood up TO the US, and he stood up FOR the people of Panama. Hell, one has wonder if Negroponte wasn't involved in his assassination. Perhaps his nomination means far more than anyone wants to admit, when it comes to "intelligence activities."

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

22. maybe he'll be smart and strike "first" against the aggressor

bet no one cries for a dead "bad guy" who pretends to be a "good guy".

[struggle4progress]

23. kick

[robbedvoter]

24. He should know - W had him kidnaped once.

BFEE= international gangsters.

[Robbien]

25. I wonder why corporate media is spreading this story now

A week ago when the Castro/Chavez conversation occurred corporate media was completely silent. Now a week later the corporate media is presenting it as if this is a big story and Chavez is being paranoid.

[jdj]

26. anything to kill the real story about Bush planning to kill Gannon.

[IronLionZion]

30. There's no point killing Gannon now

after the shit hit the fan. I'm surprised Chavez is still alive. I mean, a lot of US presidents went after Castro and he doesn't even have oil. eh, I guess Ghadafi is still alive too so we're not that good at assassination.

[tom_paine]

37. We're better at assassinating our own

Kennedy
Kennedy
King, Jr.
Kennedy, Jr.
Carnahan
Wellstone

etc.

[jdj]

42. wrong about that. If Gannon gets cocky and wants to sue

then the photos WE HAVEN'T seen might get dug up. If people found the porno of just him, imagine what else is out there? And there is other stuff out there, I'm sure. Anyone with dirt just might be willing to sell their story for a pretty penny to the tabloids. If they can't get the reigns on Gannon he will be the first to go.

[shance]

29. Corporate media? Hardly.

This is from Australia.

n/t

[Say_What]

35. Agence France-Presse

not what I would consider MSM. But the US reaction is predictable....

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...U.S. officials have stepped up their criticism of Chavez since January when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice branded him a "negative force" in Latin America.

A tough-talking former army officer, Chavez presents himself as alternative to what he sees as U.S. imperialist policies. He says President Bush's administration backed a 2002 coup against him, which he survived, and then financed a vote campaign to try and oust him.

U.S. officials worry about Chavez's close ties with Cuban leader Fidel Castro and have suggested he also backs insurgent groups in the region, including Marxist rebels in Colombia.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick last week said Chavez was part of a trend of creeping authoritarianism and Washington is concerned that Russian rifles bought by Venezuela could aid Colombian rebels.

Chavez's accusation on Sunday echoed similar comments by Castro who said earlier this month that United States would be responsible if Chavez were assassinated.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=517469

[Say_What]

33. A normal pattern after each exposure of US meddling in Venezuela's affairs

Whenever Chavez has found out about US dirty tricks (coup plans, financing the *opposition*, assassination plots, etc.) he has revealed them to the world putting the US on the defensive. The US in turn ratchets up the propaganda machines and cranks out the *Chavez is paranaoid, US isn't meddling, US had nothing to do with the coup, US doesn't finance the oppoosition, blah, blah, blah* lies that we are now reading. The only *news* the MSM prints about Venezuela is negative and anti-Chavez. This is nothing more than a repeat of what its done over the decades with Cuba, Guatemala, Chile, and any other country who wouldn't kowtow to Uncle Sam.

This article from venezuelanalysis.com might give you some perspective.

<clips>

...This defeat for the U.S. can be related to the line of repeated attacks of U.S. officials against Venezuela. Presided over by Condoleezza Rice, they surely approved a plan that could have been inspired by one that was agreed to November 17, 1970, which had five points. It had been presented to President Nixon by Kissinger.

This line of continuous attacks from high officials in less than ten days (Rice, Roger Noriega, Robert Zoellick, Marc Grossman, the brother of Bush, and Porter Goss, the head of the CIA) is something new. But it is not a coincidence.

They have to be applying some decision that was made in certain high levels of the state department. One must pay attention. Why be surprised if someone insinuates in a meeting to be thinking of an assassination?

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1380

[lovuian]

27. I suggest take a tip from the Romans get a food taster!!!

Its hard to be a owner of huge oil wells

You get jailed like in Russia
or attempted Assasinations

Its a rough life for a zillionaire!!!

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

28. Well, it seems plausible given the FAILED CIA-BACKED COUP awhile back.

Apparently, our modus operandi is to secure ALL of the major oil reserves on the planet...after which, who know's what the plan is to be?

JB

[arcane1]

44. EXACTLY

Chavez has known for a while that he has a bull's-eye on his back... if we can't overthrow him, there is only one option left for these devils...

[Say_What]

34. Venezuela's Chavez Accuses U.S. Government of Considering his Assassinatio

<clips>

Venezuela's Chavez Accuses U.S. Government of Considering his Assassination

Caracas, Venezuela. Feb 20, 2004 (Venezuelanalaysis.com).- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez denounced that the U.S. government is preparing "new aggressions" against him and against the Venezuelan people. "Before the world, before our people, before the Latin American people, and before the people of North America, for whom we have respect, I accuse the government of the United States of continuing their aggressions against Venezuela," he said during his weekly live TV show.

"The U.S. government has crashed in Venezuela, and will continue to crash as many times as they want," Chavez said in reference to alleged past attempts by the U.S. to remove him from power.

The mercurial Venezuelan leader has repeatedly accused the U.S. government of trying to oust him. Scattered evidence has linked the U.S. government to the 2002 coup d'etat against Chavez, and the U.S. financed opposition groups in Venezuela through the National Endowment for Democracy. Last August, twice-elected Chavez won a referendum on his rule, which was largely organized by groups that receive funds from the U.S. government.

The U.S. government publicly criticizes the democratically-elected leader, accusing him of undermining democracy. CIA Director Porter Goss recently said that Chavez “is consolidating his power by using technically legal tactics to target his opponents and meddling in the region.”

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1514

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins.

The assassination of Chavez is definitely the next step....the "CIA Jackals" move in to do their thing after all else fails (except war). Yes indeed! Chavez WILL BE assassinated and he's VERY smart to go public with it.

"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" is a MUST READ for everyone! If you want to know how our government/corporations/politicians operate, read it. That's what happened in Iraq. The Jackals couldn't get to Saddam. Next step....WAR. If the Jackals can't get to Chavez, expect a war. If we want their oil, we will get their oil.

[AP]

40. If Chavez gets shot, he'll probably be a more powerful martyr than Ché

And not just for college students.

I think, unlike Ché, alot of leaders would stand up around the world and try to do what Chávez tried to do for Venezuela in their own countires.

That's my prediction.

[peacetalksforall]

41. The sequence was Iran Syria Venezuela Cuba. Now it is Iran and

Syria, then Venezuela, followed by Cuba.

See how nice we made it in Iraq and Haiti and we brought poppies back to Afghanistan and all the oil line installation and flow operations are going quite well except for a few explosions in Iraq.

North Korea is off the hook for now. China and Japan have influence.

They give us plenty of hints and it all becomes quite transparent as they try to use rhetoric to beat war drums.

Words from The United States of Petroleum. Lord over the cartel.

[maddezmom]

45. kick

to combine threads

[emad]

46. Bush is plotting to kill me, says Chavez

Toby Muse in Caracas and Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday February 22, 2005
The Guardian

Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, accused George Bush of plotting to assassinate him yesterday, and warned that all Venezuelan oil exports to the US would stop in the event of his death.

"If I am assassinated, there is only one person responsible: the president of the United States," Mr Chavez said during his weekly radio and television show, Hello President.

He offered no proof of any conspiracy but said the Cuban president, Fidel Castro, had warned of a possible plot against him last week.

"If, by the hand of the devil, these perverse plans succeed ... forget about Venezuelan oil, Mr Bush," Mr Chavez said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,12716,1419780,00.html

[marmar]

47. Chavez might be on to something...

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[mike_c]

48. if he has evidence, he should seek an indictment....

Wouldn't that be sweet?

[emad]

50. If, by the hand of the devil, those perverse plans succeed....

... forget about Venezuelan oil, Mr Bush
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4282603.stm

[Say_What]

49. DUPE

Plenty more discussion at this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1252689&mesg_id=1252689&page=

[Skink]

51. What we need is some bases in Venezuela...

Bring it on!!!:crazy:

[PATRICK]

52. When paranoia is merely optimism

He hopes that this will have some effect on the Bush agenda. With his coke-rotted nose to the wind Bush will detect no surge of resistance or consequence for all this self-evident prophecy and challenge. it will not stop the agenda one bit. Negroponte's coronation as the death lord sends not a clear "signal" but a trumpet of war.

The dilemma is the same as Hussein's. The curse of oil and who do you trust. People willing to deal or use the oil may work against Chavez. He can't destroy the Great Treasure even if that was the sane thing to do. People will know what he is doing to defend himself while the luxury of attack and subversion remains with the US as ever. I think more than anything, including Castro's independence and socialist experiments, Chavez envies his ability to survive. Promising a bloodbath means no disaffected large sector of the populace(like the Shia) who will go along get along with the Conquistadores. It means denying the oil and insuring heavy US casualties.

The US policy however the business world press spins it is a thing of purest evil. World pressure is still another linchpin of protection, though its track record from Haile Selassie on has been dismal. Latin America is more capable of united than the Mideast and should do so despite major difficulties and unwillingness. By uniting means a not so subtle NATO type pact.

An attack on one is an attack on all. In this case it absolutely is.