Missile rejection perplexes U.S.

[CHIMO]

CP) - Canada's apparent decision to stay out of a North American missile-defence system has dumbfounded Americans as an unnecessary giveaway of sovereignty, Washington's envoy to Ottawa said Wednesday.

"We don't get it," Paul Cellucci said in Toronto. "If there's a missile incoming, and it's heading toward Canada, you are going to leave it up to the United States to determine what to do about that missile. We don't think that is in Canada's sovereign interest."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/02/23/940281-cp.html



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[Oreo]

1. I really dislike them saying Americans....

like all of us feel this way. I don't blame them for rejecting a flawed overpriced unproven missile defense system.

[CHIMO]

4. Smoke And Mirrors

It seems that the Canadian government has given them everything they needed. What remains is someone to tear up the agreement. We will promise not to shoot down missiles over the US.

[aneerkoinos]

12. Me too

But Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans, Venezuelans are not as American as Real Americans..., you know, there's like Class A Americans, Class B Americans and Class C Americans...

[Massacure]

51. Yup. Class A are Bush donors, Class B are republicans, Class C are dems

Then there are gays, minorities and aliens that are 'non-humans.' Welcome to Merika!

[Boswells_Johnson]

2. Maybe we think it's just a load of BS. Any attack at this point

would be the result of the chimp's foreign policy, and I really doubt the attack would be aimed at Canada.

It'll only stir up another arms race.

[marmar]

3. Umm, ...

perhaps because Canada doesn't go pissing off the entire world, so they're not as worried about a missile heading their way.

[Damien]

8. nah, that couldn't be it

obviously they don't care about their nation.

[fob]

46. How about they realize any missiles would be launched to come from over

the Northpole/northern latitudes which means they would go right over Canada, where they would then be either blown up (with much luck) and the fallout landing in Canada or missed (most likely) and THAT would end up blowing up/in/over Canada!

Why exactly would they wanna be the playing field for this boondoggle? Canada, where common sense has not been outsourced as of yet.

[Maple]

5. Cellucci has been perplexed

since he arrived. I really hope his term is up soon. :mad:

[bemildred]

6. So, we're going to give Canada control of the missiles?

What horseshit. This guy should sell used cars.

[daleo]

20. Canadians could be in the war-room, praying for the anti-missile to work

Which is about all anyone would actually be doing anyway, as this system doesn't stand a hope in hell of working.

[bemildred]

31. It's hard to be sure.

But it seems this dickweed is saying if the Canadians don't help pay
for this useless missile, then we won't fire some off to not save
Canada if somebody fires some missiles at Canada. This begs the
question why someone would shoot missiles at Canada, of course.

[daleo]

41. Control of the missiles is kind of comical anyway

I mean, there would be only a few minutes available (if that) to make any counter moves about an incoming ballistic missile. I can't see there being time for a U.S.-Canadian conference call about who should get to press a button. Basically, the Pentagon will do whatever it pleases, regardless of whether Canada signs on.

[bemildred]

42. Exactly. nt

[tx_dem41]

7. It's easy, Paul...the technology does NOT work, and never will.

Its too easy to overcome. Canada realizes that to base a defense policy on faulty technology only makes you weaker in the long (and short) run.

[Wilms]

9. Do you think they're a little leery of NORAD? n/t

[necso]

10. Gee,

maybe they don't want any more targets in their country.

[Erika]

11. Why should they pay for right wingers profits?

They know that they would not be a target. Nor do most think that an attack of such is plausible. They haven't been targeted by shrieks of fear, hatred, and color coding since 9/11.

By the way, what happened to color coding?

[struggle4progress]

13. Maybe our Canadian friends decided that the "missile shield" ...

... was simply a scheme to reduce the number of missiles headed fdor the USA by encouraging the launchers to aim some at Canada instead ...

[oasis]

32. Woop there it is. (eom)

[shadowknows69]

14. so we're into extortion now

buy into our mad plans or something bad might happen to you.

[Enraged_Ape]

53. They used to call this a "protection racket"

...back when organized crime was actually punished.

[ckramer]

15. But why would anybody in this world attack nice guy Canadians?

[Mokito]

55. Because they don't wanna pay for a "missile-shield" scheme

wink, wink. :tinfoilhat:

[applegrove]

16. Some of us think the whole missle shield is just a way for America

to stay "on top of the World" while their economic power wanes. And why would you want to 1) buy into such delusion of continued greatness 2) actually invest billions in it? China, India, Brazil & Russia will have economies that are 10 times greater than the present combined Western ones. I mean it is one thing to kiss up to your neighbour because you are so dependant on them, and they you. Fully another to go down the tubes with them.

It will profit the arms industry. They do not know if it will work (i.e. the timing may not make it possible). No missiles are aimed at us. Why would we put our economy into a tailspin and take money from education just to help Americans keep alive the notion that they are the greatest & strongest.

That is what missile defense shield is about. The USA simply saying: okay economically we may not be the biggest on the block in 30 years, but we have that missile umbrella up there and we will shoot down anything you try to put up. And we will kill your satellites if you do not behave as we like. And we can make your nuclear arms moot. So we are the biggest and the strongest.

Putting bases all over the World was a big enough expense when you were the richest & biggest free market democracy the world had ever seen. Do you have any idea how expensive covering ALL OF SPACE will be? And will the USA be blowing up the satellites of an "Iraq" type nations willy nilly? (perhaps Poland in 30 years). We like satellites - they are expensive. When Bush Jr. Jr. gets into power in 25 years we do not want to loose any satellites because we would not bend over.

I think you should have asked us to join before Bush set foot in office and dumped purple Kool Aid all over the place. We are not victims of your propaganda machine. We are horrified day in and day out by what the elites are getting away with in your country.

SPEND YOUR MONEY ON EDUCATING YOUR PEOPLE, REDUCING POVERTY & AND DON"T LET THOSE CORPORATIONS RUN YOUR ELITES WHO RUN THE COUNTRY & DEAL WITH YOUR LOST PLACE IN THE WORLD LIKE ADULTS and then get back to us.


IMHO & obviously directed at the chimps in power not the good and ardent eggs I have met at this site.

[burrowowl]

21. AMEN! Bro or Sis!

Yes all that moola could be better spent, much better!

[Todd B]

17. Uh oh...

<i>"We don't get it," Paul Cellucci said in Toronto. "If there's a missile incoming, and it's heading toward Canada, you are going to leave it up to the United States to determine what to do about that missile. We don't think that is in Canada's sovereign interest."</i>

Oh great, does this mean that "Freedom Bacon" is going to be on the menu next month? :eyes:

[applegrove]

18. China is the new "UN". The UN was the new "France" - soon - but not

yet.

[manly]

48. Canada, oh Canada

Who the hell are we to tell Canada what is in their best interest? Why can't we mind our own goddam business?

[u4ic]

19. Ugh

spare us another scolding, please Paul!! :eyes: I hope this guy leaves us soon. What an annoying dickwad.

We don't want to be involved in the weaponization of space!!

[Minstrel Boy]

22. "an unnecessary giveaway of sovereignty"

Or, how about, a necessary exercise of sovereignty?

The argument of the pro-missile folks is "If we don't say yes, we won't have a seat at the table." Well what kind of seat would we have, if we have to say yes?

[VegasWolf]

23. Gotta say the guy has a point, why should Canada give money

for missle defense when the following scenario could occur,
"Sir, we have two inbound missles, one for Toronto and one for
Washington, but we only have interceptors enough for one
incoming threat! What should we do?"

[CHIMO]

24. Don't Matter

The Cold War was based on mutual destruction. You shoot at me and I will swamp you. One or two missiles ain't going to win a war.
Besides the dam things don't work.

[VegasWolf]

25. Of course not! Silly bush, strategies are for smart people. n/t

[Minstrel Boy]

30. Oh yeah. In that scenario,

could you ever see the "Sacrifice Washington; save Toronto" option?

[VegasWolf]

33. No. I think that was the point I was making. n/t

[98geoduck]

26. Could be called Bush and Cheney's Missile Erectile Dysfunction.

[sidpleasant]

27. So let me get this straight ...

This idiot Celluci (OK, he's a disaster as ambassador, but as governor of MA he did appoint half of the Supreme Judicial Court that legalized gay marriage, a fact that the GOP would rather we forgot) says to Canada "If there's a missile incoming, and it's heading toward Canada, you are going to leave it up to the United States to determine what to do about that missile." Is he actually threatening that the US might allow a Canadian city to be destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Canadians to be killed when we could prevent it?

"Hello Mr. Prime Minister? It's President Jeb. Sorry about Montreal, but we decided not to do anything about that North Korean attack because you guys didn't help pay for our missile defense system back when my brother was President."

[VegasWolf]

28. No, it's because Alabama was more important. n/t

[CHIMO]

29. No

What he is saying is: I think that NATO still exists.
However, because you have been nice to us and amended the NORAD agreement, I will be the bad guy. Now you, Mr. Prime minister can appear to be the good guy.
Just look at how the opposition leader, Mr. Harper, has suddenly had to come to a full stop and think about what is going on. His thunder has been stolen from him on one of his right wing points.

[LynnTheDem]

34. NEWSFLASHES For America! 1. The world doesn't hate Canada

2. Canada, unlike the USA, is a democracy. When the majority of Canadian citizens say NO, then it's NO.

N.O.

[nolabels]

35. The corporate world tha is calling the shots...............

doesn't really care what people like. They just care if they are making a large enough profit while in a comfortable position. The "NO" answer is also for people who expect to get or give a "YES" later


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[Mechatanketra]

36. Love how this whole approach 'frames' twice over.

Just for a moment, forget about any implicit 'threat' here in the image of America ostensibly holding the fate of Canadian cities in its hands.

Take a deep breath, and focus on two facts which Paul is conveniently buffaloing through hoping if he blusters fast enough you'll forget.

1) Missile Defense doesn't work.
2) The most belligerent nation within missile range of Canada happens to be America.

[malaise]

37. Maybe looking after

the health of their citizens is more important. Good for the Canucks.

[TrogL]

47. Tell me about it

A friend of mine was in a car accident, requiring an ambulance ride, an emergency visit, x-rays, ultrasound, cat-scan, three-day (so far) hospital visit. He's been seen by the emergency doctor, a neurosurgeon, an internal medicine doctor, three different residents. He's been hooked up to a whole mess of plumbing and electronics and shot up with a bunch of drugs I can't pronounce. He's had round-the-clock monitoring. He came in on a backboard and neck brace.

Total cost so far.

$45 - various presents from the gift shop (3 kids worth)
$10 - pop for kids
$2.50 - parking
$20 - (estimate) mileage for ambulance (they may have dropped this)

Hospital fees, doctors fees, medical fees, drug fees, ambulance fees (other than mileage) - zippo.

[MetaTrope]

38. So, what's French for

"Fuck off, monkey boy"?

[applegrove]

49. Bye bye mon cowboy!!

[northamericancitizen]

54. Criss ton camp ostie d 'sans genie

translation: Fuck off fuckin moron

Lise

[MaineDem]

39. I thought Celucci was getting through.

He's much better suited selling used cars in Hudson.

The arrogance of this administration never ceases to amaze me. You'd think I wouldn't be surprised by anything after 4 years.

[bif]

40. Because Canada has better things to spend money on

Like national health care, ya dickhead!

[Boswells_Johnson]

43. And now we're getting a national daycare program!

[The_Casual_Observer]

44. The tactic is to pretend that the system actually exists

Generally, the chimp tactic is to pretend that things are the way they say they are. This works in the short term. Just about anything works in the short term if you can pay the price of propping up the lie.

[Tyler Durden]

45. Paul Cellucci: AMERICAN DICKHEAD of the first rank.

If you want some cheap pain, GOOGLE "Paul Cellucci Comments." You'll get over 5000 hits of the rankest BULLSHIT that this idiot administration passes off as "diplomacy."

Personally, if I were Canada, I would view Washington's sending Cellucci to Ottawa the same as someone's drunk brother in law pissing on your lawn.

[clem_c_rock]

50. Maybe they don't worry about missiles because they don't piss everyone off

Funny how when, you don't try to take over the world, and get in everyone's business, you don't have any enemies.

[AP]

52. Who's going to shoot a missile at Canada?

And what's the US goingn to do? Wait until the last minute to see if it's aimed at Buffalo or Toronto just because Canada didn't give the US money to help build the system?