Blair limits damage after terror rebellion

[NVMojo]

Bush's boy pal f's up!! Again!!

Thursday February 24, 2005

The prime minister moved quickly today to defend his home arrests bill following last night's rebellion by more than 30 Labour MPs, saying he "rejected completely" that it was a fundamental attack on long-standing civil liberties.

Writing in today's Daily Telegraph, which joins the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and smaller parties in opposing the new prevention of terrorism bill - Mr Blair says there is "no greater civil liberty than to live free from terrorist attack".

The prime minister also attempts to open up a clear divide between the Tories and the Lib Dems in the hope of splitting opposition to the bill when it reaches the Lords next Monday. He writes that Charles Kennedy's concerns are "genuine" and will be looked at further, but that "this is simply not possible with the Conservatives".

The home secretary, Charles Clarke, faces a further obstacle to getting his legislation passed, in the form of an amendment by former cabinet minister Robin Cook, thought to be aimed at giving the powers of home detention to a judge rather than the home secretary.

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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/attacks/story/0,1320,1424303,00.html

[Englander]

1. And then some.

We are now a "police state",circa apartheid era SA,
and have the legal system of Burma.

:cry:

[tjwmason]

5. But the Ministry of Love (whoops Home Office)

Is just trying to protect you...

:puke:

I haven't really trusted Blair since the mid '90s, there was always something about him which made me wonder; thankfully most other people are starting to agree now.

[neweurope]

2. Oh my God... like their US brothers - house arrests, phones and

internet forbidden for "suspects" without need of a trial, without even the need for a judge to order it! This is so scary!

What I find very interesting is the allusion to the Madrid train station bombing. I am absolutely convinced that was CIA-work. At the time the USA were pressuring the European parliament to get stricter anti-terrorist laws. The EU wasn't all that much for it but after the train station bombing the US got what they wanted. I haven't checked into it too much so far, just know that human rights groups critizise it severely. Germany will probably be next, and if our Bundestag is against it - then probably the Franfurt train station will go up in flames... ???!!!

AND - tinfoil hat firmly in place - WHAT REASON could the USA have for pressuring other governments to change their INTERNAL laws? If not - yes, tinfoil hat in place - one world government?

Home arrest, use of telephone and internet forbidden, no judge necessary, no proof necessary that the "suspects" are really guilty of ANYTHING at all - some "democracy" they want to export! Oh my God, that's all so scary. That's Great BRITAIN, not Indonesia or Iran we're speaking of! And it's exactly what the Bushistas constantly accuse other countries of... Anybody who elects them must be stark raving mad.


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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[rogerashton]

3. There are plenty of precedents.

The Italian Fascists made extensive use of house arrest, called "confina," I believe, from the mid-20's until about 1940, when they borrowed the German idea of concentration camps. Nevertheless they continued to use it in some cases -- Mussolini himself was in confina when the Germans rescued him to be their puppet in their Northern Italian occupation.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. There is no such thing has the freedom from terrorists attacks

just as there is no such thing has being free from death in any other form.

It is a shame that Blair can only see life through the prism of fear.

For people who supposedly believe in god and heaven, they sure are afraid of dying.

[jmcgowanjm]

6. Blair-I can only save you from the IRA if you hand over certain liberties

And I thought I was making this up-

The Major posted.:- The home secretary, Charles Clarke,
is transforming Britain into a police state, one of the
country's former leading anti-terrorist police chiefs
said yesterday.
Toby comments.:- Well major, I tell you one reason why
and thats because the IRA with a lot of new guns and
semtex purchased from the proceeds of the big Bank
Robbery, are going to come out
again.
It appears that the IRA are not happy and when they are
not happy, its ."Bang".
Pity that Blair has most of the troops busy elsewhere, pity
that Blair has actioned the cuts in the armed forces, we
could maybe have done with a few extra
squaddies

http://ehermit.conforums3.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=home&num=1106727714&start=30

[jmcgowanjm]

7. Anyone remember Blair apologizing to the Conlon,Maguires

Michael Martin refused to allow Mr Blair to use Prime
Minister's Questions to apologise to the Conlon and
Maguire families for their wrongful imprisonment over the
IRA bomb attacks in Guildford and Woolwich in
1974.

http://money.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/10/nmisc10.xml

How about a law limiting the Home Sec
to taking care of the rubbage in #10 Downing St.
Start small and move up, eh?

[LynnTheDem]

8. "no greater civil liberty than to live free from terrorist attack".

Well gee, bLiar, the safest nation from terrorist attack in the entire world is NORTH KOREA.